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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1289987]No because Taylor got hurt after 1 start last yr and Allen was also Injured, if TH goes down next week, then what? Bring Cam in as insurance and lets be honest he's prob better than Fitz[/QUOTE]Let's see what Fitz has. 2nd let's see what Heinicke and Allen have. Last let's not bring in another old qb, if we go through these 3 then we just draft a qb like we could have done this year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1289987]No because Taylor got hurt after 1 start last yr and Allen was also Injured, if TH goes down next week, then what? Bring Cam in as insurance and lets be honest he's prob better than Fitz[/quote]

I mean yeah, if every single current qb on our roster gets injured and you have to bring in a qb off the street - then sure I'd bring Newton in.

But your post made it sound like you'd rather bring in Newton than have to rely on Heinicke for any length of time if Fitz has to miss weeks.

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[quote=mooby;1289989]I mean yeah, if every single current qb on our roster gets injured and you have to bring in a qb off the street - then sure I'd bring Newton in.

But your post made it sound like you'd rather bring in Newton than have to rely on Heinicke for any length of time if Fitz has to miss weeks.[/quote]

No I mean if Fits is legit out for weeks , we need an insurance policy

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1290000]No I mean if Fits is legit out for weeks , we need an insurance policy[/QUOTE]Still no.

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I think that Fitz demonstrated today why he has been released by so many teams. The team looked like it was loafing when he was in there. IMO there was a definite change in hustle with Heinicke in there.

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[QUOTE=oldfan;1290002]I think that Fitz demonstrated today why he has been released by so many teams. The team looked like it was loafing when he was in there. IMO there was a definite change in hustle with Heinicke in there.[/QUOTE]Heinicke needs to be given a shot at this point.

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[quote=mooby;1289947]on a scale of 1-10 how disappointed are you right now?[/quote]

25....

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[quote=Meks;1290008]25....[/quote]

I'm disappointed that we as fans haven't learned anything from previous years.

There is a tradition around here during the offseason and then preseason. We make moves in the draft and FA - we get hyped. If preseason doesn't go terribly we get excited and start fantasizing about how great we can be. Sometimes - like this year - the media will start hopping on our jock - in this case about best d-line in football and then subconsciously we start believing it "well, if the national media is saying it must be true."

And then the first game starts and somewhere in the first quarter we come crashing back to reality and realize potential does not equal production. And then we lose and realize this team still has a long way to go to compete with the best teams in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1290011]I'm disappointed that we as fans haven't learned anything from previous years.

There is a tradition around here during the offseason and then preseason. We make moves in the draft and FA - we get hyped. If preseason doesn't go terribly we get excited and start fantasizing about how great we can be. Sometimes - like this year - the media will start hopping on our jock - in this case about best d-line in football and then subconsciously we start believing it "well, if the national media is saying it must be true."

And then the first game starts and somewhere in the first quarter we come crashing back to reality and realize potential does not equal production. And then we lose and realize this team still has a long way to go to compete with the best teams in the NFL.[/QUOTE]


Even guys in ESPN said “Fitzmagic can take this team to the Nfc title game”

Then…. being a Skins fan hits us right in the balls again as he goes down with a broke hip because his ass is old as fuck and we are back to playing QB2 for multiple weeks because we bet the bank on Fitz.. unreal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290035]Even guys in ESPN said “Fitzmagic can take this team to the Nfc title game”

Then…. being a Skins fan hits us right in the balls again as he goes down with a broke hip because his ass is old as fuck and we are back to playing QB2 for multiple weeks because we bet the bank on Fitz.. unreal.[/quote]

LOL. facts.

Fitz himself said this is the third time he's been injured in his 17 years in the NFL. That's great and all but you're playing the long odds betting that a 37+ y/o qb will be able to stay healthy over the course of the season.

Also on the best d-line in football - Nothing clears that bandwagon faster than the opposing team waltzing down the field unopposed for a td on the first drive of the game.

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I'm disappointed that we as fans have zero patience. We lose a close first game of the season to a very good team, and suddenly the d-line sucks, the linebackers suck, the O-line sucks, the QB sucks, the coaching sucks, the offseason moves sucked, if we had Moreland and Moses - somehow the outcome could have been different...

My assessment - the talent is there on both sides of the ball, but the offensive coordinator is just not good. We have 21 regular, post, and preseason games with him calling the plays and one opening drive TD. That's a large enough sample size for me.

You can't continually lose the time of possession battle with a 2-1 ratio and expect the defense to hold up. If you are losing the time of possession battle 2-1, it better be because you are putting together quick scoring drives. That is not the case here. The offense can rarely sustain a drive.

NINE possessions yesterday - 3 punts, 4 field goal attempts, 1 turnover, and 1 lone touchdown.

It was a very winnable game, but you're not going to win a lot of games in the NFL with 16 points.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1290068]I'm disappointed that we as fans have zero patience. We lose a close first game of the season to a very good team, and suddenly the d-line sucks, the linebackers suck, the O-line sucks, the QB sucks, the coaching sucks, the offseason moves sucked, if we had Moreland and Moses - somehow the outcome could have been different...

My assessment - the talent is there on both sides of the ball, but the offensive coordinator is just not good. We have 21 regular, post, and preseason games with him calling the plays and one opening drive TD. That's a large enough sample size for me.

You can't continually lose the time of possession battle with a 2-1 ratio and expect the defense to hold up. If you are losing the time of possession battle 2-1, it better be because you are putting together quick scoring drives. That is not the case here. The offense can rarely sustain a drive.

NINE possessions yesterday - 3 punts, 4 field goal attempts, 1 turnover, and 1 lone touchdown.

It was a very winnable game, but you're not going to win a lot of games in the NFL with 16 points.[/quote]

i say QB play and O coordinator.

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[quote=mooby;1290011]I'm disappointed that we as fans haven't learned anything from previous years.

There is a tradition around here during the offseason and then preseason. We make moves in the draft and FA - we get hyped. If preseason doesn't go terribly we get excited and start fantasizing about how great we can be. Sometimes - like this year - the media will start hopping on our jock - in this case about best d-line in football and then subconsciously we start believing it "well, if the national media is saying it must be true."

And then the first game starts and somewhere in the first quarter we come crashing back to reality and realize potential does not equal production. And then we lose and realize this team still has a long way to go to compete with the best teams in the NFL.[/quote]

I say this every August about the hype. Its like a balloon in my mind that gets burst on week one.

BOW! There goes the hype balloon.

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I'm amazed at how much Gibson is getting somewhat of a pass for his red zone fumble. IMO that was a big turning point in the game. The momentum the team had after the Logan TD, had already taken a hit with the missed 51-yd field goal (that drive also had some boneheaded mistakes), and WJ3's pick was huge.

Last year's team would probably have gotten blown out of the water by the Chargers (see last year's game against AZ). The defense play bad against a good offense and they only gave up 20 points (13 in reality but whatever); and yes, they have to play better. The offense can't make these stupid mistakes, and I hope they get their act together for Thursday.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1290094]I'm amazed at how much Gibson is getting somewhat of a pass for his red zone fumble. IMO that was a big turning point in the game. The momentum the team had after the Logan TD, had already taken a hit with the missed 51-yd field goal (that drive also had some boneheaded mistakes), and WJ3's pick was huge.

Last year's team would probably have gotten blown out of the water by the Chargers (see last year's game against AZ). The defense play bad against a good offense and they only gave up 20 points (13 in reality but whatever); and yes, they have to play better. The offense can't make these stupid mistakes, and I hope they get their act together for Thursday.[/quote]

The fumble was a killer no doubt. Felt like that took all the wind out of our sails. Huge turning point.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1290068]I'm disappointed that we as fans have zero patience. We lose a close first game of the season to a very good team, and suddenly the d-line sucks, the linebackers suck, the O-line sucks, the QB sucks, the coaching sucks, the offseason moves sucked, if we had Moreland and Moses - somehow the outcome could have been different...

My assessment - the talent is there on both sides of the ball, but the offensive coordinator is just not good. We have 21 regular, post, and preseason games with him calling the plays and one opening drive TD. That's a large enough sample size for me.

You can't continually lose the time of possession battle with a 2-1 ratio and expect the defense to hold up. If you are losing the time of possession battle 2-1, it better be because you are putting together quick scoring drives. That is not the case here. The offense can rarely sustain a drive.

NINE possessions yesterday - 3 punts, 4 field goal attempts, 1 turnover, and 1 lone touchdown.

It was a very winnable game, but you're not going to win a lot of games in the NFL with 16 points.[/quote]

Initially I wanted to see more from Scott Turner but I'm starting to see enough - eventually you can't keep using the lack of talent as an excuse for lack of production.

I agree with you in regards to the time of possession, it's hard to win when your d is out there twice as much as the offense.

I disagree with you on the d though. They got worked from the first series of the game. One of those turnovers was a gift from the refs and the final score would not have been close if it was called correctly.

14 third downs converted is literally tied for the most we've ever given up - that's terrible. 14% pressure rate on dropbacks for Herbert - that's equally terrible. Not many qb's you can beat in this league where you aren't pressuring them at all.

Yes - in spite of all that the final score was close. But we were the recipients of some very lucky calls yesterday. This team is not as close to being good as the final score indicates.

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[quote=MTK;1290097]The fumble was a killer no doubt. Felt like that took all the wind out of our sails. Huge turning point.[/quote]

We are ignoring it a bit but it was absolutely a killer - you just can't turn the ball over that close to your own end zone.

He had 2 fumbles yesterday too - the first went out of bounds.

Ball security needs to be a point of emphasis in practice this week.

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I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that we failed to get a lot of pressure on Herbert. Their O-line is mostly new, but pretty good. Slater had already shown that he can handle Chase. They probably have the best Center in the league. Herbert gets the ball out quickly... I did think we would get a better game from Sweat, but other than that, I didn't have real high expectations.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1290106]We are ignoring it a bit but it was absolutely a killer - you just can't turn the ball over that close to your own end zone.



He had 2 fumbles yesterday too - the first went out of bounds.



Ball security needs to be a point of emphasis in practice this week.[/QUOTE]Gibson looked gassed. But more than that, I think that was a perfect time for a play action pass, the run call right there was terrible anyways. Scott Turner just needs to go.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1290119]I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that we failed to get a lot of pressure on Herbert. Their O-line is mostly new, but pretty good. Slater had already shown that he can handle Chase. They probably have the best Center in the league. Herbert gets the ball out quickly... I did think we would get a better game from Sweat, but other than that, I didn't have real high expectations.[/quote]

I think it's because people had low expectations for them based off limited snaps in preseason plus 4/5 starters being new - and the 5th is an old guy with injury problems in Bulaga. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who knew Slater handled CY99 very well in college. Other than him it was a group of unknowns. They definitely showed up well yesterday.

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[quote=mooby;1290123]I think it's because people had low expectations for them based off limited snaps in preseason plus 4/5 starters being new - and the 5th is an old guy with injury problems in Bulaga. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who knew Slater handled CY99 very well in college. Other than him it was a group of unknowns. They definitely showed up well yesterday.[/quote]

Yeah and when you have a so called elite defense, at least that's what a lot of the experts have been calling us all offseason, you expect a little more. You certainly don't expect to give up 424 yards, 14/19 on 3rd downs, and let them have the ball from over 36 minutes.

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Yeah, overall I think expectations need to be tempered a little bit, but this can still be a good team, and a great defense. I just think that expecting this defensive line to wreak havoc on every possession every week just isn't reality. The D overall is very young, with a several new pieces. It might take a few games to really gel.

Like I've been saying, it's one game, against a very good team. There's 16 more games to go.

R E L A X

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[quote=MTK;1290139]Yeah and when you have a so called elite defense, at least that's what a lot of the experts have been calling us all offseason, you expect a little more. You certainly don't expect to give up 424 yards, 14/19 on 3rd downs, and let them have the ball from over 36 minutes.[/quote]

They literally got a FIRST DOWN on 3 & 16!!!! With the fucking game on the line... HOW????? K Allen is very good yes but he is not freaking Jerry Rice

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actually sad part is I went to take a piss expecting to come back to our offense on the field.. Could not believe they got that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290141]They literally got a FIRST DOWN on 3 & 16!!!! With the fucking game on the line... HOW????? K Allen is very good yes but he is not freaking Jerry Rice[/quote]

How the heck do you let the best WR on the field find a hole in your zone at 15 yards, just inexcusable.

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[quote=MTK;1290144]How the heck do you let the best WR on the field find a hole in your zone at 15 yards, just inexcusable.[/quote]

That is on both player and coach, it's actually laughable..

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Situational awareness, something this team has always lacked. Lining up 18 yards deep when they only need 16 to get a first down. Defensive equivalent of throwing a 3rd and 6 pass 4 yds down field

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290147]That is on both player and coach, it's actually laughable..[/quote]

Concur re: on players and coach. I'll say it again, JDR called a poor game yesterday.

I see some folks are targeting, deservedly so, Scott Turner again. I've yet to be impressed by him either. Send him out to pasture.