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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1355859]He's been healthy the last 2 seasons. Kid is too good to worry about previous issues unless something comes up in a physical. Kid is a total baller. Beating Oregon twice, Texas, and rolling the Pac 12 is no joke at all.[/quote]

Impressive resume.

Honestly, I think opting out of their bowl games could end up hurting C Williams & D Maye. Especially if Penix continues to impress.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355862]Impressive resume.

Honestly, I think opting out of their bowl games could end up hurting C Williams & D Maye. Especially if Penix continues to impress.[/quote]Penix has the mental attributes also to be a star in the NFL. He is controlled but still fiery, always in command, and a leader. No off the field issues at all. It will be interesting to where these qbs go: Penix, C Williams, Maye, Daniels. Each have their own attributes but all are super talented.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355862]Impressive resume.

Honestly, I think opting out of their bowl games could end up hurting C Williams & D Maye. Especially if Penix continues to impress.[/quote]

Penix has been doing this now for two years in a row. He gets looked over because he's out in Seattle. He's the best player in the country. Draft him and don't even worry about trading back. If you can then great but he'd be a homerun for us.

He's an elite passer- that means the ability to see the field, throw w/ anticipation, accuracy and power. Oh- and he showed that he can run the ball when needed. Just not so sure the other guys have that total package. I know Caleb doesn't. Caleb is going to be Kyler Williams. He has those exact same traits and I don't want that guy. We need a bad ass mature adult in the room.

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To the guys that opt out, that bothers me a lot. I'm not the biggest fan of Bo Nix but he gets a ton of respect. You go out there w/ your teammates and you play that last game. All these guys that don't play their final games, it would just rub me the wrong way. Very telling that the guys on USC seemed to be taking a small shot at Caleb. Talking about "we're a team" idk.. maybe I'd reading too much into it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1355865]To the guys that opt out, that bothers me a lot. I'm not the biggest fan of Bo Nix but he gets a ton of respect. You go out there w/ your teammates and you play that last game. All these guys that don't play their final games, it would just rub me the wrong way. Very telling that the guys on USC seemed to be taking a small shot at Caleb. Talking about "we're a team" idk.. maybe I'd reading too much into it.[/quote]

I want Caleb Williams to go No. 1 overall (taking him out of our equation). Then we can take the next QB that the new GM has rated the highest. I'll be excited about any of the three of Daniels, Maye, or Penix.

I'm starting to think their draft order will go:

Williams, Daniels, Penix, Maye

If we stay at 2, no way the pick isn't a QB. Can't imagine a GM not really liking 2 of those 4.

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The new Commanders football hierarchy will no doubt make thorough evaluations of all of the quarterbacks mentioned here. I would even add McCarthy of Michigan to this group. So it looks like a deep group at QB. [B]However[/B], none of the expert sources I have read has said that any quarterbacks other than Williams and Maye are worthy of being picked first or second in this draft. In fact one source I read talked to twelve current NFL GM's all of whom said that Williams and Maye are the top two QB's in this draft. So no, I don't want Daniels or Penix or McCarthy. I only want Williams or Maye.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1355885]The new Commanders football hierarchy will no doubt make thorough evaluations of all of the quarterbacks mentioned here. I would even add McCarthy of Michigan to this group. So it looks like a deep group at QB. [B]However[/B], none of the expert sources I have read has said that any quarterbacks other than Williams and Maye are worthy of being picked first or second in this draft. In fact one source I read talked to twelve current NFL GM's all of whom said that Williams and Maye are the top two QB's in this draft. So no, I don't want Daniels or Penix or McCarthy. I only want Williams or Maye.[/quote]

Those evaluations will change next week when Penix who has beaten Williams, wins a National Championship.

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I think it's premature to declare Williams/Maye as the top two going into the draft. I understand that has been the order all year, but I think the gap is narrowing and could be completely different in a couple months.

And this is the time of year where I don't put too much stock into what GMs say with regard to their evaluations of players. It's creeping up on lying season.

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Interesting stats when a QB is on the move:

Daniels is going to run with it.
Williams is going to chuck it for big yards.
Penix is going to throw it at gophers.

Penix is going to need an elite line in front of him to be successful.

[url=https://ibb.co/V9GVbMg][img]https://i.ibb.co/bmV1YNs/1st-pass.webp[/img][/url]
[url=https://ibb.co/vD62q9P][img]https://i.ibb.co/Trxz2y8/2nd.webp[/img][/url]

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[quote=jamf;1355891]Interesting stats when a QB is on the move:

Daniels is going to run with it.
Williams is going to chuck it for big yards.
Penix is going to throw it at gophers.

Penix is going to need an elite line in front of him to be successful.

[url=https://ibb.co/V9GVbMg][img]https://i.ibb.co/bmV1YNs/1st-pass.webp[/img][/url]
[url=https://ibb.co/vD62q9P][img]https://i.ibb.co/Trxz2y8/2nd.webp[/img][/url][/quote]

Penix is LEGIT , but hes also 24 years old and should be balling out on college kids. I think thats worth noting.

If I'm WSH I take Williams or Maye

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I'd like to see how those numbers stack up to the pro qb's. Is there a statistical correlation between being elite and throwing more when you're moved off your spot?

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Jayden Daniels saw his completion % go up from 65.4% to 68.6% to 72.2% from 2021-2023. That is damn impressive. 40 TDs to only 4 picks. And he rushed for over 1100 yards. 4900+ total yards.

I'm getting all aboard the Daniels hype-train. The last LSU heisman winning QB from LSU turned out pretty damn good.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355904]Jayden Daniels saw his completion % go up from 65.4% to 68.6% to 72.2% from 2021-2023. That is damn impressive. 40 TDs to only 4 picks. And he rushed for over 1100 yards. 4900+ total yards.

I'm getting all aboard the Daniels hype-train. The last LSU heisman winning QB from LSU turned out pretty damn good.[/quote]

I don't watch a ton of college football, what kind of offense does he run at LSU? Pro-style or gimmicky college offense that doesn't translate well to the pros?

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[quote=mooby;1355905]I don't watch a ton of college football, what kind of offense does he run at LSU? Pro-style or gimmicky college offense that doesn't translate well to the pros?[/quote]

It's hard to tell imo, without watching All-22 of a number of games. But LSU leads the NCAAF in yards per pass attempt (1st link) and 4th in yards per completion (2nd link). Those are pretty good signs. Air Force is in both which seems weird, but they run an option offense so they shock teams w/ the pass.

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-pass-attempt[/url]

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-completion[/url]

Highlights show plenty of balls down the field, but they are highlights:

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Note - It doesn't seem to matter what type of offense teams run, QB's can hit or bust from any type college offense. Most teams all run the same stuff now too. I think you could ask the same question for all 3 of the other guys as well.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355906]It's hard to tell imo, without watching All-22 of a number of games. But LSU leads the NCAAF in yards per pass attempt (1st link) and 4th in yards per completion (2nd link). Those are pretty good signs. Air Force is in both which seems weird, but they run an option offense so they shock teams w/ the pass.

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-pass-attempt[/url]

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-completion[/url]

Highlights show plenty of balls down the field, but they are highlights:

[YT]xtsO358O4ww[/YT][/quote]

Sure love balls down the field

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355907]Sure love balls down the field[/quote]

WR's would love playing with him, that's for sure. Chicks dig the long-ball too.

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One of the espn guys just said Washington should give up the number 2/3 overall pick to the bears for Justin Fields .. said it was a no brainer.. I'm I missing something??

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[quote=rocnrik;1355912]One of the espn guys just said Washington should give up the number 2/3 overall pick to the bears for Justin Fields .. said it was a no brainer.. I'm I missing something??[/quote]

Pass. His contract is almost up too, and he would be due tons more money. That is not a viable option imo. Take a rookie and have him for 5 years at least, under reasonable contract.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears kept him and traded down out of the No. 1 spot for another team that needs a QB (just not us).

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[quote=rocnrik;1355912]One of the espn guys just said Washington should give up the number 2/3 overall pick to the bears for Justin Fields .. said it was a no brainer.. I'm I missing something??[/quote]

It’s just a hot take. How anyone could say that when they don’t even know what type of offense we are running is beyond silly

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355908]WR's would love playing with him, that's for sure. Chicks dig the long-ball too.[/quote]

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwJ6OVSwkM&pp=ygUTYWNkYyBiaWcgYmFsbHMgc29uZw%3D%3D[/url]

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The semi-final overreaction draft:

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1355918]The semi-final overreaction draft:

[url=https://ibb.co/0Fhgjnm][img]https://i.ibb.co/4YP6ZFK/owslne.png[/img][/url][/quote]

I’m all in on Penix and Odunze, throw in Westover as their TE.

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Caleb Williams pass depth

Deep 20 + Yards = 95 Grade , 15 TDS 2 INTs
Medium 10-19 Yards = 78 Grade , 3 TDS 3 INTs
Short 0-9 Yards = 91 Grade , 10 TDS 0 INTs

Passing Pressure

Kept Clean = 94 Grade, 22 TDS 1 Int
Under Pressure = 41 Grade , 8 TDS 4 INTs
Non Blitzes = 80 Grade , 14 TDS 2 INTs
When Blitzed = 88 Grade , 16 TDS 3 INTs

Will do Penix , Maye and Daniels soon


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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355915]It’s just a hot take. How anyone could say that when they don’t even know what type of offense we are running is beyond silly[/quote]

Hot take? More like a shit take? Nobody in their right mind would even suggest that without being high as a kite.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355913]Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears kept him and traded down out of the No. 1 spot for another team that needs a QB (just not us).[/quote]

I'll be willing to wager good money that if the Bears stay put at the #1, they are going to draft a QB.

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[quote=rocnrik;1355912]One of the espn guys just said Washington should give up the number 2/3 overall pick to the bears for Justin Fields .. said it was a no brainer.. I'm I missing something??[/quote]

I think doing that would count as the definition of having "no brain" so in a sense he is absolutely correct. After all it is a prerequisite for a TV analyst job.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1355929]I'll be willing to wager good money that if the Bears stay put at the #1, they are going to draft a QB.[/quote]

Not even Vegas would take that bet. I can't see how they would stay put, they could trade it for a haul and still get a top 7 pick and take an elite WR/TE/OT/Edge. But Fields wasn't drafted by their FO so we don't know how they feel about him. The Bears could keep that gravy train going for years, whoever trades up to the first pick is likely going to be bad for the next couple of years so will be giving them top five picks in 25 and 26.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1355929]I'll be willing to wager good money that if the Bears stay put at the #1, they are going to draft a QB.[/quote]

I'd agree with that. If they stay it's a QB, if they roll with Fields, it's a trade-down. Someone will want their QB at No. 1.

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[quote=jamf;1355891]Interesting stats when a QB is on the move:

Daniels is going to run with it.
Williams is going to chuck it for big yards.
Penix is going to throw it at gophers.

Penix is going to need an elite line in front of him to be successful.

[url=https://ibb.co/V9GVbMg][img]https://i.ibb.co/bmV1YNs/1st-pass.webp[/img][/url]
[url=https://ibb.co/vD62q9P][img]https://i.ibb.co/Trxz2y8/2nd.webp[/img][/url][/quote]

Yes, Daniels is a 1 read and tuck it QB.
Uber athletic, quirky throwing motion, cannot read a defense or make progression through the route tree to save his life.
*LSU fan here*

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Every Twitter draft expert is going to be coming up with something to nit pick all of these guys. Or come up with something to make their guy look good.

Here is the thing. So much of a QB having success is where he goes and what coach he gets with. I remember Lamar being picked by Baltimore and everyone including myself never thought he'd become the player he has become. Just cause someone may not be good at reading coverages doesn't mean it stays that way. Or just cause someone isn't great off schedule doesn't mean it stays that way. Or just cause someone has injury issues doesn't mean it stays that way.

Number one... can a QB play from the pocket is what's MOST important. That's number ONE. The other stuff is second and third. You will never win w/ a QB that can't read, anticipate and beat a defense on 3rd down. That will never ever change.

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113 days to go until the draft, not that I'm counting. I'm riding the Daniels train into the station.

2. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Kalen King - CB - Penn State
41. J.T. Tuimoloau - EDGE - Ohio State
67. Edgerrin Cooper - LB - Texas A&M
96. Delmar Glaze - OT - Maryland
98. Kiran Amegadjie - OT - Yale
132. Drake Nugent - OC - Michigan
163. Zak Zinter - OG - Michigan
194. Bryson Nesbit - TE - North Carolina

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Going CB in second round of o line?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355955]Going CB in second round of o line?[/quote]

Yeah, our defense is dog-ass too lol, and those guys are possible 1st round picks. But I totally understand wanting to go BPA at OL in round 2.

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If a 1st round grade player falls to second definitely take him. I am big fan of taking the BPA every single time. Especially with a defense as soft as Brillat Savarin

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[quote=rocnrik;1355912]One of the espn guys just said Washington should give up the number 2/3 overall pick to the bears for Justin Fields .. said it was a no brainer.. I'm I missing something??[/quote]

Zero chance. That's laughable.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355961]Zero chance. That's laughable.[/quote]

i literally argue SH is better then Justin Fields

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Williams
Maye
Penix Jr

That’s my top 3 not in any order.

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[quote=Chico23231;1356013]Williams
Maye
Penix Jr

That’s my top 3 not in any order.[/quote]

Penix not being able to finish 4 straight seasons prior to this one is a BIG concern for me. We have had enough injured Rookies for my lifetime!! My list:

Williams
Maye
Daniels
Nix
McCarthy
Penix
Sanders
Ewers
Travis

in that order . . .

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I would pick Drake Maye over any other QB in the draft. It's not even close. He'll be more of a pocket passer than any of the others. Williams is a smaller 6'1" QB who is going to struggle being a pocket passer. My guess is they tailor that offense to his skillset much like the Eagles/Ravens do for their QBs. Granted, the shelf-life on those QBs is much lower than pocket passers and we continue seeing that every year.


Also, Lincoln Riley runs a high octane offense that puts up gaudy numbers. Hell, at ECU, he had two WRs that broke the NCAA reception records. TWO at small East Carolina University. All his QBs look great in his offense. (Baker/Murray/Williams)

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I'm very interested in seeing what Penix does against the best defense in CFB.