Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=ethat001;568599]This is completely wrong, there IS a third round pick in 2010, and we just USED it to pick Jarmon. Geez, it's been said again and again in this thread. We DRAFTED A GUY IN THE THIRD ROUND NEXT YEAR.

[B][U]This is the EXACT same thing as us drafting Jarmon next year. Imagine in the third round 2010 hearing "Redskins select Jarmon, Defensive End from Kentucky." That's EXACTLY what we just did.
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We did NOT give up anything. To judge this, you merely have to ask -- was he worth the third round pick. From what we heard so far -- he probably is.[/quote]Well, it's not [I]exactly[/I] the same thing. Jarmon was not in the 2010 draft.

If Jarmon had entered the 2009 draft as a redshirt junior, under his own choice, would we still have traded up into the third round after the Barnes pick to get him? Or would we have rated him more highly on the board than Barnes?

Because there are a bunch of guys that were given second round grades at that point. Barnes had a second round game from this team. There was probably at least one defensive lineman who would have had a higher grade than Jarmon at the pick.

If he had been in the 2009 regular draft, we would have got a much better idea of his value than the fact that a bunch of teams were willing to take 4th round flyers on him. He probably would have been a 4th or a 5th round pick in last year's draft.

Anyway, there's a huge difference between having a second round grade from the Redskins, and having been a likely second round pick. [U]Every pick on the second day is made by a team who thinks they got a steal.[/U]

Anyway, like I said earlier, if we acutally do get a second round pick out of Jarmon, then using a supplemental third on him is a huge steal. But that assessment that Vinny had is a little bit higher than anyone elses assessment. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

It's important to remember that while looking at all the teams that put a claim in the 4th round is one way to judge his value, that still leaves two unanswered questions: 1) how many of those teams were willing to overpay by a round to bolster their defense [B]this[/B] year? and 2) why did no team who won more games than us last year think he was worth a third round claim, if in fact he was a potential second round prospect?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=skinsnut;568610]I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

[B]Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin[/B]...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.[/quote]

Actually, one thing you can say about vinny's picks is that he isn't scared to go against the grain of what the nfl norm is. I don't think anyone had rinehart or tryon as 3rd & 4th rnd. picks e.g. And this year some observers thought that Glenn in the 5th was a reach. Some thought Colt was a reach even getting drafted.

That said, I don't think Vinny puts a "spin" on it per se, he tells the press that they pick guys because THEY (not other nfl teams) have them rated high.

For better or worse, vinny doesn't seem scared to make picks based on he & his scouts' research, rather than referring to whatever scouts,inc. et al have to say about where a player projects in the draft.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I can't remember if anyone brought this up in this thread?

Isn't it kind of a strange that Cerrato was the one and only GM to go on record after Jarmon's pro day that included reps from 18 teams to say that he thought he was a real solid prospect.

I wonder what kind of strategy he was using? Was it the tell everyone I like him so they will second guess themselves because most people think I am nuts strategy?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=wilsowilso;568635]I can't remember if anyone brought this up in this thread?

Isn't it kind of a strange that Cerrato was the one and only GM to go on record after Jarmon's pro day that included reps from 18 teams to say that he thought he was a real solid prospect.

I wonder what kind of strategy he was using? Was it the tell everyone I like him so they will second guess themselves because most people think I am nuts strategy?[/quote]

Vinny Cerrato is just stupid and only in America can a guy like him be in the position he's in. It's not what you know, it's who you know. He should just keep his mouth shut and not say anything. Then he goes on the radio and makes the guy sound like he's the next Reggie White. It's like he always tries to go out of his way to prove his point all the time.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=skinsnut;568610]I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

[B]Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others[/B].

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.[/quote]

I don't have a problem giving up the 3rd rounder next year. If they like the guy then so be it. What bothers me is the way Vinny goes about hyping guys up.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I still don't get why we're still debating this. Yeah Vinny does overhype players, but the kid had a 2nd round grade and not just by us. Time will tell whether he was worth it, but you at least have to give rops to the FO for adressing a weakness, and getting a guy who if not for his suspension would've been a 2-3 in 2010. So to get him almost a year early is huge. I just don't get how anyone can say this is a bad move.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

Well it's like someone said, if the Eagles or someone else would have got him, people would be saying how he's probably going to be a great player and why can't we make moves like that.....:blah: Good move by the FO.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

basically, its an opportunity for some to enjoy the kool-aid, and some to vent at the FO and Vinny. You put those two opportunities together, mix in some pre training camp blahs, and this threads page count has no bounds!

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;568652]basically, its an opportunity for some to enjoy the kool-aid, and some to vent at the FO and Vinny. You put those two opportunities together, mix in some pre training camp blahs, and this threads page count has no bounds![/quote]

Exactly. There's nothing else to do but speculate right now and some will use that opportunity to bitch, and some to hope.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

Throughout the offseason we have failed to discuss one question: Should JC be the QB of the Redskins?

Ok, just kidding. 11 long days until camp!

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=Lotus;568654][B]Throughout the offseason we have failed to discuss one question: Should JC be the QB of the Redskins?[/B]

Ok, just kidding. 11 long days until camp![/quote]

:doh: AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :)

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=53Fan;568653]Exactly. There's nothing else to do but speculate right now and some will use that opportunity [B]to bitch[/B], and some [B]to hope.[/B][/quote]

I hope to bitch.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=Lotus;568656]I hope to bitch.[/quote]

You already have. :)

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

I think we should start a thread about how our defense is going to kick ass this year. After we're through with Romo, there won't be anything left for Jessica to fret over.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

you two are crazy!