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[quote=SmootSmack;647545]But the Rooney Rule isn't in place for the Tony Dungys and Marvin Lewises (not anymore), it's there now for guys like Leslie Frazier, Sherman Smith, etc.[/quote]

I understand your argument. Perhaps the Rooney Rule should be amended so that those who previously held high office don't count in its fulfillment. Of course, then it would be discriminative against folks like Dungy and Marvin Lewis - what irony!

But, as it stands, the Rooney Rule would be satisfied if we hired Dungy, regardless of when we hired him IMO.

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[quote=Paintrain;647550]I don't take that position (which he clarified) as a negative towards African Americans, I take offense to that attitude of 'tokenism' being the reason the rule is in place. The rule is intended to increase exposure to other candidates that owners may not have considered otherwise. I am sure Norm Chow and Ron Rivera wish the Rooney Rule was in place 10-12 years ago when they were coming up in the coaching ranks and neither of them is African American.

The Rooney Rule says nothing about HIRING (which is where the claim of 'tokenism' would be applicable) but simply interviewing. If there were 8 openings this offseason and 8 different minority candidates were interviewed and 8 white guys were hired, there would be no complaints from the Fritz Pollard Alliance because the Rooney Rule would have been followed and all teams would be in compliance with it.

The best application of the rule is in our case. We know that Shanny is going to be the coach, but we interviewed Jerry Gray. Now let's say the Texans make the decision to fire Kubiak. Snyder may call Bob McNair and say, 'hey we interviewed Jerry Gray for our HC position. He's got some great ideas on the 3-4 defense like you guys run, came in with a dynamite plan and presentation and I know you are looking for a defensive minded coach. He wasn't a fit for us because we wanted an offensive guy but maybe you should give him a call.' That is how the Rooney Rule is supposed to work, it has nothing to do with tokenism, hiring percentages or quotas.

My issues have nothing to do with skin color, only speaking half cocked on things without knowing the facts.[/quote]

But Pain you say your issues have nothing to do with skin color, but at the end of the day, my friend, the Rooney Rule is all about skin color. That reality can't be escaped and can't be separate from this argument. And on the contrary, if someone had a hang-up with Rivera or Chow ten years ago because of skin color or ethnicity, it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans in the eyes of the interviewer if Rivera or Chow interviewed for that same job today.

I like and agree how you feel that the Rooney Rule is intended to increase exposure to candidates who wouldn't be otherwise considered for promotion. But getting hired is the prize, not simply getting interviewed. Your point is well taken though.

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[quote=12thMan;647557]But Pain you say your issues have nothing to do with skin color, but at the end of the day, my friend, the Rooney Rule is all about skin color. That reality can't be escaped and can't be separate from this argument. And on the contrary, if someone had a hang-up with Rivera or Chow ten years ago because of skin color or ethnicity, it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans in the eyes of the interviewer if Rivera or Chow interviewed for that same job today.

I like and agree how you feel that the Rooney Rule is intended to increase exposure to candidates who wouldn't be otherwise be considered for promotion. But getting hired is the prize, not simply getting interviewed. Your point is well taken though.[/quote]
Maybe I should have clarified. I should have said my issues never have anything to do with 'African American'.

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[quote=Paintrain;647550]I don't take that position (which he clarified) as a negative towards African Americans, I take offense to that attitude of 'tokenism' being the reason the rule is in place. The rule is intended to increase exposure to other candidates that owners may not have considered otherwise. I am sure Norm Chow and Ron Rivera wish the Rooney Rule was in place 10-12 years ago when they were coming up in the coaching ranks and neither of them is African American.

The Rooney Rule says nothing about HIRING (which is where the claim of 'tokenism' would be applicable) but simply interviewing. If there were 8 openings this offseason and 8 different minority candidates were interviewed and 8 white guys were hired, there would be no complaints from the Fritz Pollard Alliance because the Rooney Rule would have been followed and all teams would be in compliance with it.

The best application of the rule is in our case. We know that Shanny is going to be the coach, but we interviewed Jerry Gray. Now let's say the Texans make the decision to fire Kubiak. Snyder may call Bob McNair and say, 'hey we interviewed Jerry Gray for our HC position. He's got some great ideas on the 3-4 defense like you guys run, came in with a dynamite plan and presentation and I know you are looking for a defensive minded coach. He wasn't a fit for us because we wanted an offensive guy but maybe you should give him a call.' That is how the Rooney Rule is supposed to work, it has nothing to do with tokenism, hiring percentages or quotas.

My issues have nothing to do with skin color, only speaking half cocked on things without knowing the facts.[/quote]

I agree black candidates need exposure and thats what the Rooney Rule was meant for but my issues are about interviewing black coach's who don't have a chance in hell of getting the job but are interviewed simply to fulfill the rule vs. interviewing actual qualified black coach's. Yes Gray is qualified I guess. I don't know. I would like to think DS, maybe G.Williams, or someone associated with the team would make that call or when another team contacts the Skins someone would suggest Gray. I would like to think that's how most of the great black HC's got their start. I'd like to see more teams coaching up or giving black coach's better chances at OC so they in the long run get better chances of getting HCing jobs.

Just like when you apply for a job you don't apply for one job and hope you get it. You apply for many jobs in hopes you get one of them. Your chances are better. No different then teams hiring more black position coach's which brings about more candidates for HCing jobs vs. one or two candidates.

The sad thing is I think we all are thinking along the same lines but for whatever reason it seemed like you got offended with all of us for saying its a BS rule. As if we are racist and don't think blacks should be given a chance. When in reality we are saying teams are not even interviewing qualified candidates in some instances just to satisfy the Rooney Rule leaving actual qualified candidates out. Gray may be qualified but how can you say he was given a fair shake when he's still working under someone who's in a position he interviewing for?

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[quote=SBXVII;647564]I agree black candidates need exposure and thats what the Rooney Rule was meant for but [B]my issues are about interviewing black coach's who don't have a chance in hell of getting the job but are interviewed simply to fulfill the rule vs. interviewing actual qualified black coach's. [/B]Yes Gray is qualified I guess. I don't know. I would like to think DS, maybe G.Williams, or someone associated with the team would make that call or when another team contacts the Skins someone would suggest Gray. I would like to think that's how most of the great black HC's got their start. I'd like to see more teams coaching up or giving black coach's better chances at OC so they in the long run get better chances of getting HCing jobs.

Just like when you apply for a job you don't apply for one job and hope you get it. You apply for many jobs in hopes you get one of them. Your chances are better. No different then teams hiring more black position coach's which brings about more candidates for HCing jobs vs. one or two candidates.

The sad thing is I think we all are thinking along the same lines but for whatever reason it seemed like [B]you got offended with all of us for saying its a BS rule. As if we are racist and don't think blacks should be given a chance.[/B] When in reality we are saying teams are not even interviewing qualified candidates in some instances just to satisfy the Rooney Rule leaving actual qualified candidates out. Gray may be qualified but how can you say he was given a fair shake when he's still working under someone who's in a position he interviewing for?[/quote]2 points to what was bolded. I agree it was a bit of a 'sham' interview, as some Rooney interview are. Where the value is in a scenario like that is the ability to give a recommendation to another owner based on an interview you may not have otherwise done.

If I was authoring the rule I would have put in the language that you cannot interview someone who is working for or has worked for you in the past 3 years to satisfy the rule. You would have to interview someone unique to your organization in order to be in compliance.

What I find/found offensive is the notion that the rule is in place to fulfill quotas and tokens. Not only is it inaccurate, it's offensive because of the implication that those coaches would only be hired to satisfy a 'BS rule'.

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Regardless, we have satisfied the Rooney Rule, and I simply want Zorn gone, along with the clear understanding that a new staff is coming in. NO lingering coaches (hixon, blache, etc) please.

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Back on topic.... are there any new rumors in regards to Shanny?

Last I heard was he and Slowick have been working out of an office in Denver trying to put together their coaching staff. Supposedly they have been interested in the 3-4 defense or a hybrid and have been studying how the Steelers are using the 3-4 and the Patriots. Rumor was they were interested in Zimmer or have contacted him in regards to being apart of the team. *** All rumors of course***

Any of you behind the scene's people have inside info or anything new. Info was coming out like something every week but now have seemed to dry up. Atleast for me.

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Rumor is he's going to be hired by the Redskins. ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;647606]Regardless, we have satisfied the Rooney Rule, and I simply want Zorn gone, along with the clear understanding that a new staff is coming in. NO lingering coaches (hixon, blache, etc) please.[/quote]

I'm with you, but I could live with the defensive side staying the same if it had to. Hixon's gotta go. It made my Christmas that Vinny stepped down. When Zorn is gone my New Year will have been made. I pray Shanny does not see something he likes in Hixon and tells him his services are no longer needed and then... my Millenium will be made.

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[quote=Mattyk;647631]Rumor is he's going to be hired by the Redskins. ;)[/quote]

LOL some funny stuff there. I keep hearing he's holding out for Dallas or some other team to increase the cost to get him. LOL.

Honestly now.... your rumor is late. The new rumor is he's already signed. :)

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[quote=SBXVII;647637]LOL some funny stuff there. I keep hearing he's holding out for Dallas or some other team to increase the cost to get him. LOL.

Honestly now.... your rumor is late. The new rumor is he's already signed. :)[/quote]
I heard it was a done deal ( i think it was a thread on here that said that. ;) )

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I can't wait until Zorn is gone. If you ask me he's just as bad or worse then the Old Ball coach. I hope that Shanahan is really coming here.

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I've got a friend that works with the league on the business side who is a HUGE Raiders fan and knows more about football than almost anyone else I know. I asked him for a scouting report on Shanahallen.

He e-mailed me this morning with the following:
[I]I loved Bruce Allen..... did a great job with the draft as well as signing free agents. Also a big plus.... knows how to work the cap. From what I remember the Raiders always seemed to be on the brink of going over, but he would get them under while still signing quality free agents.

As for Shanahan he is obviously a great offensive mind. He likes a mobile qb and loves to have a several running backs at his disposal. The one concern I have is his defenses were pretty bad the last few years in Denver.....they tried a lot of different defensive coordinators and personal, but nothing seemed to work. Overall if you do hire him I think its going to be a good move. He's well respected, has the rings, and is a proven winner. [/I]

Nothing groundbreaking although I was pleasantly surprised to read his assessment of Allen being so positive. I don't think the defensive issues that Shanny had in Denver will necessarily replicate here because we've got a solid core on that side of the ball..

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i would think if he's been working with Bob Slowik the past few months, that he'd stick with him as DC (or more likely, assistant head coach - defense with Zimmer being defensive coordinator) then he'd stick with him a while.

my main "concern" is that with Shanahan and Slowik planning on running a 3-4 or a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, that we may not have the right personnel in our front 7. I don't think any of our linebackers would fit in a 3-4, although carter and Orakpo could slide to play OLB... but do any of our DL really fit the mold of 3-4 d-linemen?

rebuilding is going to take a lot longer if we're doing it on both sides of the ball.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;647800]i would think if he's been working with Bob Slowik the past few months, that he'd stick with him as DC (or more likely, assistant head coach - defense with Zimmer being defensive coordinator) then he'd stick with him a while.

my main "concern" is that with Shanahan and Slowik planning on running a 3-4 or a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, that we may not have the right personnel in our front 7. I don't think any of our linebackers would fit in a 3-4, although carter and Orakpo could slide to play OLB... but do any of our DL really fit the mold of 3-4 d-linemen?

rebuilding is going to take a lot longer if we're doing it on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

I'd think Haynesworth would be a perfect NT in a 3-4 defense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;647800]i would think if he's been working with Bob Slowik the past few months, that he'd stick with him as DC (or more likely, assistant head coach - defense with Zimmer being defensive coordinator) then he'd stick with him a while.

my main "concern" is that with Shanahan and Slowik planning on running a 3-4 or a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, that we may not have the right personnel in our front 7. I don't think any of our linebackers would fit in a 3-4, although carter and Orakpo could slide to play OLB... but do any of our DL really fit the mold of 3-4 d-linemen?

rebuilding is going to take a lot longer if we're doing it on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

A) Where did you hear that Slowik plans on running a 3-4?
B) Carter would definitely not fit in it since he didn't fit in San Fran's 3-4 when they moved him to OLB, thats why he came to us.
C) Haynesworth can play NT or DE so thats not a problem, Orakpo IS a 3-4 OLB, Anthony montgomery could easily be a NT, Jarmon could possibly plan DE or Lorenzo could. Fletch and Rocky could easily be starting 3-4 MLB's. The biggest questions for us would be one of the DE spots and the other OLB. We could definitley switch to a 3-4 if you ask me.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;647808]I'd think Haynesworth would be a perfect NT in a 3-4 defense.[/quote]

That would be a complete waste of his talent. If anything, he'd be a better 3-4 DE because he could collapse the guard/tackle gap and create blitzing lanes. He's too athletic to just be a space eater NT.

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[quote=Paintrain;647814]That would be a complete waste of his talent. If anything, he'd be a better 3-4 DE because he could collapse the guard/tackle gap and create blitzing lanes. He's too athletic to just be a space eater NT.[/quote]

And not to mention the fact that Haynesworth doesn't (or refuses?) to be just a space eater..

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[quote=Paintrain;647790]I've got a friend that works with the league on the business side who is a HUGE Raiders fan and knows more about football than almost anyone else I know. I asked him for a scouting report on Shanahallen.

He e-mailed me this morning with the following:
[I]I loved Bruce Allen..... did a great job with the draft as well as signing free agents. Also a big plus.... knows how to work the cap. From what I remember the Raiders always seemed to be on the brink of going over, but he would get them under while still signing quality free agents.

As for Shanahan he is obviously a great offensive mind. He likes a mobile qb and loves to have a several running backs at his disposal. The one concern I have is his defenses were pretty bad the last few years in Denver.....they tried a lot of different defensive coordinators and personal, but nothing seemed to work. Overall if you do hire him I think its going to be a good move. He's well respected, has the rings, and is a proven winner. [/I]

Nothing groundbreaking although I was pleasantly surprised to read his assessment of Allen being so positive. I don't think the defensive issues that Shanny had in Denver will necessarily replicate here because we've got a solid core on that side of the ball..[/quote]

Good stuff Pain. Thanks

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[quote=12thMan;647479]Oh, I wasn't sure. Are you kidding me, hell NO. Dungy is bigger than the Rooney Rule anyway. You know. The Rooney Rule is in place for the no-name black candidates, not the successful black candidates. In that regard, I suppose, success supercedes race and color. But yeah, if we interviewed Dungy I don't think the Rooney Rule would enter most peoples minds. Dungy is a great coach period.[/quote]

That's a great point, if Dungy was hired, I feel as though we would still ask about the Rooney rule only to realize that wait, Dungy is black so argument over. Dungy is such a great coach that I don't think anyone would have a problem with him coming in and running the show

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[quote=Paintrain;647790]I've got a friend that works with the league on the business side who is a HUGE Raiders fan and knows more about football than almost anyone else I know. I asked him for a scouting report on Shanahallen.

He e-mailed me this morning with the following:
[I][B]I loved Bruce Allen..... did a great job with the draft as well as signing free agents. Also a big plus.... knows how to work the cap. From what I remember the Raiders always seemed to be on the brink of going over, but he would get them under while still signing quality free agents.[/B]

As for Shanahan he is obviously a great offensive mind. He likes a mobile qb and loves to have a several running backs at his disposal. The one concern I have is his defenses were pretty bad the last few years in Denver.....they tried a lot of different defensive coordinators and personal, but nothing seemed to work. Overall if you do hire him I think its going to be a good move. He's well respected, has the rings, and is a proven winner. [/I]

Nothing groundbreaking although I was pleasantly surprised to read his assessment of Allen being so positive. I don't think the defensive issues that Shanny had in Denver will necessarily replicate here because we've got a solid core on that side of the ball..[/quote]

That's really good to hear about BA. I'm looking forward to seeing him in action!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;647809]A) Where did you hear that Slowik plans on running a 3-4?
B) Carter would definitely not fit in it since he didn't fit in San Fran's 3-4 when they moved him to OLB, thats why he came to us.
C) Haynesworth can play NT or DE so thats not a problem, Orakpo IS a 3-4 OLB, Anthony montgomery could easily be a NT, Jarmon could possibly plan DE or Lorenzo could. Fletch and Rocky could easily be starting 3-4 MLB's. The biggest questions for us would be one of the DE spots and the other OLB. We could definitley switch to a 3-4 if you ask me.[/quote]

A - It was reported in multiple outlets that Shanahan and Slowik have been sharing an office together researching the steelers and patriots 3-4/hybrid defenses and assembling a coaching staff. You could probably google it if you needed a source. i'm pretty sure it was mentioned here in this (or another similar) thread as well.

B- I agree Carter would not be good as a 3-4 linebacker but atleast he has experience there.

C - Fletchers got the speed to play ILB, but i think his size would really become a liability. You may be right about Rocky and Jarmon though. Not sure about the rest.

Either way, i think we'd need too adjust our defensive personnel much more to switch to a 3-4. if we stick with a 4-3, we really just need to move orakpo up front and get an OLB, free safety, and perhaps a corner. if we switch to a 3-4, we'd need atleast one more LB and DL player. and then compound the problem with everyone having to learn a completely new system.

our personnel is pretty well suited to a 4-3 right now. the problem we've had is that blache is a horrible coordinator that doesnt take advantage of his player's strengths.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;647827]

our personnel is pretty well suited to a 4-3 right now. the problem we've had is that blache is a horrible coordinator that doesnt take advantage of his player's strengths.[/quote]

I agree. I hope we don't switch to a 3-4. That would mean significant building on both sides of the ball.

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I know ho everyone wants to get rid of portis but i think bruce could keep him around for another year if shanny comes, because he produced in that denver offense

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[quote=Lotus;647838]I agree. I hope we don't switch to a 3-4. That would mean significant building on both sides of the ball.[/quote]In addition, our only viable NT candidate for a 3-4 would be Haynesworth, who would surely revolt openly if asked to accept that selfless position.

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[quote=SouperMeister;647843]In addition, our only viable NT candidate for a 3-4 would be Haynesworth, who would surely revolt openly if asked to accept that selfless position.[/quote]

Yup. AH thinks he has it bad now. As a 3-4 nose tackle...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;647809]A) [B]Where did you hear that Slowik plans on running a 3-4?[/B]
B) Carter would definitely not fit in it since he didn't fit in San Fran's 3-4 when they moved him to OLB, thats why he came to us.
C) Haynesworth can play NT or DE so thats not a problem, Orakpo IS a 3-4 OLB, Anthony montgomery could easily be a NT, Jarmon could possibly plan DE or Lorenzo could. Fletch and Rocky could easily be starting 3-4 MLB's. The biggest questions for us would be one of the DE spots and the other OLB. We could definitley switch to a 3-4 if you ask me.[/quote]

This is from the Steel Curtain.....

[QUOTE[I]]
“From ”http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter" target="new">Adam Schefter Steelers Dir. of Football Ops Kevin Colbert took Mike Shanahan to lunch and set him up to study tape after. Steelers beyond accommodating."
And then this:
Adam_Schefter: Shanahan going to study Steelers for a few days, then on to New England to study the Pats. Learning from two of the best organizations.[/[/I]QUOTE]

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How often do big time accommodations like this happen?

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I say we should run a 3-4, It couldn't hurt seeing that we have the players that can do it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647863]I say we should run a 3-4, It couldn't hurt seeing that we have the players that can do it.[/quote]

You'd play Fat Al at NT?

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I like the 3-4 better then the 4-3. It seems teams that have made it to the SB recently are using the 3-4 in some capacity.

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[quote=SBXVII;647870]I like the 3-4 better then the 4-3. [B]It seems teams that have made it to the SB recently are using the 3-4 in some capacity.[/B][/quote]

Like the Giants, Cards, Bears, Colts, and Seahawks?

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[quote=SBXVII;647857]This is from the Steel Curtain.....

[QUOTE[I]]
“From ”http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter" target="new">Adam Schefter Steelers Dir. of Football Ops Kevin Colbert took Mike Shanahan to lunch and set him up to study tape after. Steelers beyond accommodating."
And then this:
Adam_Schefter: Shanahan going to study Steelers for a few days, then on to New England to study the Pats. Learning from two of the best organizations.[/[/I]QUOTE][/quote]


Do you think that maybe he was watching these two organizations just because they've been 2 of the best teams from the past two years, and they're consistent winners??

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how is it a done deal on us getting shanahan?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;647907]Do you think that maybe he was watching these two organizations just because they've been 2 of the best teams from the past two years, and they're consistent winners??[/quote]

I couldn't find it but like someone else said it might be somewhere closer to the front of this thread, but Schefter recently again said that during the off season Shanahan was observing both of those teams cause he wants to install a 3-4 defense. He went on to say he and Slowick are interested in installing either a 3-4 or 3-4 hybrid. He then went on to mention that both were either looking into or talking with Zimmer about being apart of their team. I think it's obvious they couldn't talk to him until the season is over or unless they get permission to talk to him. So it's only rumors right now.

but I'll add that I keep hearing that Schefter and Shanahan are close and talk all the time. If there is info coming out from him its almost golden cause no one else is getting anything out of Shanahan.

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I'm not a member at ESPN so I can't look into any topics Schefter has put up recently. He is with ESPN now right?

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Hey Shanny or Allen, I know your all over these boards now.... :)

Maybe look into Mike Leach as QB coach. Ya know him, he's the recently fired HC of Texas Tech. Set all kinds of records with his passing offenses. Might be nice to have on the staff as a QB coach who can add a little flavour to you WCO.

[QUOTE][I]Leach is known for building some very potent offenses, directing very prolific passing-oriented teams that have broken school and NCAA records at Valdosta State, Kentucky, Oklahoma, where he was offensive coordinator under Hal Mumme[7] and Bob Stoops,[8] respectively, and Texas Tech, where he became head coach in 2000. Leach's spread offense relies heavily on passing and he has seen several of his quarterbacks post NCAA records. At Kentucky he tutored prospect Tim Couch into a No. 1 NFL Draft Pick. At Oklahoma, Josh Heupel became an NFL draft pick following a year under Leach's tutelage.
[/I][/QUOTE]

Most likely he'll get a HCing gig at some college wanting to get their program out there.

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Yes it's PFT and they are not 100% reliable but they do grab their info from everyone else.....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/zimmers-name-surfaces-as-potential-defensive-coordinator-in-dc/]Zimmer's name surfaces as potential defensive coordinator in D.C. | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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Uh oh, I haven't seen this untill now..... would we be in line to pick up T.O.?

[quote][I]Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that if Bills WR Terrell Owens leaves Buffalo, the Redskins may be a destination for Owens. If the Redskins hire Mike Shanahan, Shanahan lobbied for Terrell Owens with the Broncos and may look to recruit the wide receiver again for the Redskins. The Buffalo Bills signed Owens to a 1-year, $6.5 million contract this offseason but he is free to sign with another team once free agency begins this offseason[/I][/quote]

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[quote=SBXVII;647973]Yes it's PFT and they are not 100% reliable but they do grab their info from everyone else.....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/zimmers-name-surfaces-as-potential-defensive-coordinator-in-dc/]Zimmer's name surfaces as potential defensive coordinator in D.C. | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

Sounds good...and have him bring Rey Rey over too :)