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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702088]You spout theories as if they are proven facts. People in this thread consistently say we are not a free market economy, why change to something new (free market theory)? You act like what you are talking about has been going on for some time when in fact it has never been done before. Ask Sammy.[/quote]

I honestly don't understand what you are saying. Many States already have some form of a balanced budget requirement. When I lived in Colo. every election there would be votes on allowing out of balance amendments and some would pass, some would fail, but it brought a level of accountability to the government. I didn't talk about free market theory - but a freeer market economy isn't something brand new either.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;702096]I honestly don't understand what you are saying. Many States already have some form of a balanced budget requirement. When I lived in Colo. every election there would be votes on allowing out of balance amendments and some would pass, some would fail, but it brought a level of accountability to the government. I didn't talk about free market theory - but a freeer market economy isn't something brand new either.[/quote]

OKAY! let's balance the budget, then Obama can't do any of his agenda. Would that make you happy? Or is that the real reason you worrying about spending money?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;702096]I honestly don't understand what you are saying. Many States already have some form of a balanced budget requirement. When I lived in Colo. every election there would be votes on allowing out of balance amendments and some would pass, some would fail, but it brought a level of accountability to the government. I didn't talk about free market theory - but a freeer market economy isn't something brand new either.[/quote]

OKAY! let's balance the budget, then Obama can't do any of his agenda. Would that make you happy? Or is that the real reason you worrying about spending money? Wasn't concerned about 300 billion dollar no bid Halliburton contracts were you? But if the Amercian people get anything your're outraged right? Be for real, Bush messed up, but that's not gonna stop anything.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702116]OKAY! let's balance the budget, then Obama can't do any of his agenda. Would that make you happy? Or is that the real reason you worrying about spending money?[/quote]

Well, I was saying it when the Republicans were in office too, so I don't think it is an agenda driven concern for me.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702123]OKAY! let's balance the budget, then Obama can't do any of his agenda. Would that make you happy? Or is that the real reason you worrying about spending money? Wasn't concerned about 300 billion dollar no bid Halliburton contracts were you? But if the Amercian people get anything your're outraged right? Be for real, Bush messed up, but that's not gonna stop anything.[/quote]

Back to you sticking in the framework of your mind. Don't falsely accuse me of beliefs you think I hold. The Republican machine has it's own money sluts and all of them on BOTH sides need to be pulled away from the drunken sailor that is the Federal budget right now. But as long as curmudgeons like you stick in the framework that all that is of one nature is wrong, the sailor will continue to work us all over in order to pay for his sluts.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702090]AZ is crazy for real. They say all this stuff and want all this attention. That would be like boycotting themselves. I am sure LA does not get power for free from AZ. LA has alot of people. [B]Sounds like a nice wad of cash AZ would be throwing away.[/B] Boycotting themsleves. Now if they were providing something for free to LA and then take it away or had an alternative to them then this would work.[/quote]Actually, the power would be purchased by someone else. There's always demand for power. AZ would probably come out ahead in the deal as they most likely (don't know for sure) negotiated a long term rate with LA at a discounted price. LA would be the big loser as they would have to go out on the open market again and pay higher rates for the same power....and it would likely be coming from a more distant source (higher transmission costs). I'm sure all the folks the LA politicians were trying to appease aren't going to be too happy with higher power bills each month.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702116]OKAY! let's balance the budget, then Obama can't do any of his agenda. [B]Would that make you happy?[/B] Or is that the real reason you worrying about spending money?[/quote]It would make me very happy :D

That being said, a balanced budget is a major positive (and a should be a requirement) no matter who occupies the WH.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702088]You spout theories as if they are proven facts. People in this thread consistently say we are not a free market economy, why change to something new (free market theory)? You act like what you are talking about has been going on for some time when in fact it has never been done before. [B]Ask Sammy[/B].[/quote]Huh, what'd I say again?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;702147]Huh, what'd I say again?[/quote]

Amercia has never been a free market economy. Implying if we tried a free market economy it would be something new. In my words a risky experiment.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;701975]got news for you. You trying to sell me on running a country of 300 million people by the same rules as a business with 30 employees? [B]who's gonna give us our small business tax credits and cuts?[/B] Who is gonna provide our 300 million people with healthcare? ar you serious? Do you think you think this is a sane analogy? How long have you been smoking outta Ron Paul's meat pipe? Have any computer simulated models?[/quote]Let me, firstdown, and any other small business owners on the site know where you find all those "small business tax credits and cuts". We'd all be happy to hear about them.

The only credit that I'm aware of recently is the one where if you hire a previously unemployed worker there's a $ 1000 / yr. credit or so. Most small business are running barebones employee wise in this economy. Unless things make a drastic turn high and to the right, there isn't going to be much hiring in the small business sector.

You also forgot to mention the 3 years increase in the minimum wage from 2007-2009 ($ 5.85 - $ 7.25 / hr.) over 19% in three years. I haven't seen a 19% pay increase during that time, and the revenue from my business hasn't seen a 19% increase either. So who is required to pay the increased wages.....oh right, the small business owner must take from his/her bottom line to cover it.

If Gov't would get out of the way with over-regulation and social engineering, the 300M would be able to obtain cost-effective insurance in the private sector, with the poor qualifying for gov't programs/assistance.

And probably the most important point.....the gov't isn't "giving" us anything with tax credits and cuts. Money (profit) is generated by the small business and is property of the small business owner/s, not the gov't. The tax credits/cuts are just the gov't dictating how much needs to be paid.

P.S. Fairtax eliminates taxes on small business altogether and lets businesses focus and make decisions based on profit, not tax ramifications.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;702143]It would make me very happy :D

That being said, a balanced budget is a major positive (and a should be a requirement) no matter who occupies the WH.[/quote]


One lesson I hope people learn is Wars all have unexpected consequences. The unexpected conseuence of the Iraq excusrsion was our first black president. Next excusrsion's unexpected consequence could wind up being anything.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702164]Amercia has never been a free market economy. Implying if we tried a free market economy it would be something new. In my words a risky experiment.[/quote]There will always be a need for limited gov't regulation of companies/corps./businesses or they can and will act in strictly their own economic interests (to the detriment of the people), so our economy is not a pure free-market economy.

That being said, much of what our gov't calls "regulation" is really social engineering and should be removed. When it is, the free-market flourishes and powers the economy. To be clear, I'm a free-market supporter, with limited gov't regulation to protect the consumer/employees/environment.

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it's kinda old news but not posted yet, that i see that is. pretty funny though

[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-43367-International-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m5d20-Immigration-7-yr-old-girl-talks-to-Michelle-Obama-on-camera-mom-doesnt-have-papers-Video]Immigration: 7 yr. old girl talks to Michelle Obama on camera; ‘mom doesn’t have papers’ (Video)[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;699829]I was talking to a friend over the weekend who is half Bolivian. His Mom is a legal immigrant from Bolivia. She for this law and is also for enforcing Federal immigration laws, because she thinks its unfair to entitle people who are here illegally with the same benefits she and many others worked so hard to obtain. I will ask my Grandmother who worked hard to become a legal immigrant what her thoughts are.

Out of curiosity, are any of you are first generation legal immigrants and if so what is your attitude of this law?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I talked to my Grandma last night, more specifically Grammy. All she ever wants to talk about is stuff like telling me to work hard, be honest, stay in contact with family and other old lady grandma advice. So when I asked her what she thought about the law she didn’t really go into detail (and I don’t get the sense she is up to date on her current events). She basically said that you have to do the honest thing and coming here illegally is not honest and is wrong. That’s pretty much all I could get out of her.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Grammy immigrated to the US in either the early 50’s or late 40’s when she was like 25 or so, leaving a communist country. My dad was born here, but I think at least one of my aunts was born overseas. Like most immigrants she said they only came with what they could physically carry and had a low amount of money, like 20 bucks or something. She said it took her 5 years to be a citizen (but she had kids born here after she came). [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Has anyone else talked to legal immigrants that worked hard to become citizens (or are working hard towards becoming a citizen) and get their view point?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also, something that im sure will piss TTE off, she told me she just received a call from her insurance company and they reduced her car insurance by 25%! I have never seen her drive in my life and had no idea she had a license. Shes pretty old and im not sure how I feel about her driving. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmdub130;701927]wanna move to bama? i hate the tide, but i was sold when he pulled out the shotgun[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If Mobile wasn’t ruined because of the bp oil spill at the hands of Obama I might be down. But ive come way to far in life to go anywhere else in Alabama. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Bolivia and Mexico are different in my opinion. I will use this analogy: America is a breakfast we have all contributed. Europeans contribution can be summed up as adding egss, Mexicans contribution can be summed up as bacon. We took half of their country and incorporated it into America. That border meant nothing to our ancestors and founding fathers, it has was always been the way it is (traditional values come in to play) Mexico has a special relationship to this country, far different than Bolivia's. Their influence on this country is far greater. It is not the same, and it is fair. Bolivia, what have they contributed to America? Mexico, what have they contributed to America? Our two biggest staes for starters.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/20/navarrette.students.latinos/index.html?hpt=C2]Disobedient brats no martyrs for freedom - CNN.com[/url]

Warning 5 flag boys on Cinco de Mayo. Gentlemen start your engines.

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LOL!

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/21/ap/national/main6505633.shtml]Is Dora The Explorer An Illegal Immigrant? - CBS News[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;702661]LOL!

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/21/ap/national/main6505633.shtml]Is Dora The Explorer An Illegal Immigrant? - CBS News[/url][/quote]

Ha! What about Handy Manny?

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[quote=SmootSmack;702673]Ha! What about Handy Manny?[/quote]


Oh yeah! MFer get him!

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[quote=mredskins;702681]Oh yeah! MFer get him![/quote]

How ruuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702602]Bolivia and Mexico are different in my opinion. ... Bolivia, what have they contributed to America? Mexico, what have they contributed to America? [B]Our two biggest staes for starters[/B].[/quote]

Ah yes, the traditional eskimo greeting: "Hola! Habla usted espanol?".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;702720]Ah yes, the traditional eskimo greeting: "Hola! Habla usted espanol?".[/quote]

Continental. Alaska is barely populated.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;702740]Continental. Alaska is barely populated.[/quote]

Okay. But 1) It's a State and you initially placed no qualifications - so were you, once again, simply manipulating the english language to suit your own ends or simply being ignorant?

2) Population = Area. Excellent. Yet more stunning logic from jtf.

3) Hey, they gave us Sarah Palin. Even if you just rate population, bang for buck-wise, they are rocking the continental US!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;702757]Okay. But 1) It's a State and you initially placed no qualifications - so were you, once again, simply manipulating the english language to suit your own ends or simply being ignorant?

2) Population = Area. Excellent. Yet more stunning logic from jtf.

3) Hey, they gave us Sarah Palin. Even if you just rate population, bang for buck-wise, they are rocking the continental US![/quote]

Well u win I was really talking about electoral votes.

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This is fun. Makes you wonder what types of things ARE important to our elected officials. Like, WHAT agenda's are they really concerned with?

[URL="http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html"]Channel 2 Investigates U.S. Border Security Part 1 - Video - WSB Atlanta[/URL]

[URL="http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438712/index.html"]Channel 2 Investigates U.S. Border Security Part 2 - Video - WSB Atlanta[/URL]

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On this day in history

[url=http://www.civics-online.org/library/formatted/texts/immigration1924.htm]Immigration Law of 1924[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;703297]On this day in history

[url=http://www.civics-online.org/library/formatted/texts/immigration1924.htm]Immigration Law of 1924[/url][/quote]

So they list out each country and the number of available immigrant visas but there is no Mexico listed? I thought maybe at that time it was lumped with Spain but Spain had only 131. In fact, from what I see, no country in North or South America (including Canada) is listed. Does this mean immigration was not allowed, or that it was considered more or less "open borders" at that time?

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[quote=SmootSmack;703297]On this day in history

[url=http://www.civics-online.org/library/formatted/texts/immigration1924.htm]Immigration Law of 1924[/url][/quote]

Mexico is missing off that list. I wonder why? Was the border closed at that time?

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so in the poor man's encyclopedia known as Wikipedia it has the following two entries:
# Operation Wetback was a 1954 project of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about 1.2 million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States, with a focus on Mexican nationals.

# The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 discontinued quotas based on national origin, while preference given to those who have U.S. relatives. For the first time Mexican immigration was restricted.
([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_legislation]List of United States immigration legislation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url])

How could operation wetback be targeted against illegal Mexicans in 1954, IF Mexican immigration wasn't restricted until 1965? I guess it must mean that even under an open immigration policy a certain amount of people still found it easier not to apply for legal status then to.

Interesting that until 1965 Mexicans could immigrate freely.

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Cameroon and Logoland well accounted for.......but NO Mexico???
Quizzical......puzzling even!

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Apparently no quotas were placed on Mexican nationals that wanted to immigrate until 1965

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;703305]Apparently no quotas were placed on Mexican nationals that wanted to immigrate until 1965[/quote]

Interesting..... After lunch I will start thinking again, right now I am running on coffee fumes.

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Funny now Obama is jumping on board and sending in 1500 NG. I'm guess next he will probably start to act concerned about the oil spill and fly down for a first hand view.

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[quote=firstdown;703311]Funny now Obama is jumping on board and sending in 1500 NG. [B]I'm guess next he will probably start to act concerned about the oil spill and fly down for a first hand view[/B].[/quote]

He already did once... don't you remember slamming him the first time around for it?

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[quote=Mattyk;703314]He already did once... don't you remember slamming him the first time around for it?[/quote]

You must have me confused with another poster.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;703305]Apparently no quotas were placed on Mexican nationals that wanted to immigrate until 1965[/quote]


Actually, to be more correct it excluded all of Latin America.

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I wonder how strictly enforced was that Immigration Act on a per country quote basis

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100525/pl_nm/us_oil_rig_obama_trip]Obama to visit Gulf Friday to check on oil spill - Yahoo! News[/url]

He is going to see the spill again and now he is using tough talk.

"Plug the damn hole,"

I heard he gave credit to his wife for that quote.