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Does the coach need the player, or the player need the coach? A medium is going to be found in all this, happy or unhappy, a medium nonetheless.

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[quote=Ruhskins;717280]Given how Shanahan has beaten the hell out of him in the public eye, do you really think he'd let him get away with this?

If AH is really faking all of this to not practice, then either MS is really dumb for not noticing or AH is doing a helluva job hiding it from him.[/quote]

Shanahan had planned to make him pass a test to practice. Albert's playing games with it and since then, Coach has come out and said publicly that AH could end up practicing without passing the test...he's on top of things and knows what Fatso is doing...but won't let it derail the training camp for the entire team.

I have no doubts that we're running a highly structured, effective and overall great camp for the entire team. Haynesworth is not interfering with anyone but himself and the media who drools over another day of Chicken Little Redskins reporting.

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[quote=mooby;717209]Does anybody else think Haynesworth might not be passing because he doesn't want to pass so he can't practice?[/quote]

Yeah, while being examined by a professional medical staff, a head coach who sticks to principles and is certainly watching him, and a conditioning coach who he reportedly has a good rapport with, and some initial assurance that he won't be Mr. Nose Tackle after all. You think they're going to let him get away with it OR he go and disappoint Wright?

Then there's his own actions. First the potty break, then WANTING to run it again despite being advised by Ray Wright to just wait till the next day. Makes no sense to me. I know that if I wanted to bomb it, I would have taken to "let me rest" option than try the test again.

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[quote=Mattyk;717282]Don't think he's faking it, the team doctors are holding him out. He's not staying out on his own.[/quote]

Well I'm not a doctor nor a personal trainer, but my suspicion is he's not faking it. However, I believe the reason, or a big reason, his knee is hurting is because he lost a lot of weight too fast. It's almost like he was cramming for an exam at the last minute instead of studying (or in his case working out) all spring as he said he would.

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[quote=SmootSmack;717292]Well I'm not a doctor nor a personal trainer, but my suspicion is he's not faking it. However, I believe the reason, or a big reason, his knee is hurting is because he lost a lot of weight too fast. It's almost like he was cramming for an exam at the last minute instead of studying (or in his case working out) all spring as he said he would.[/quote]

He had problems with the knee last year, that's why I suggested in an earlier post the fact this could be a lingering problem that could have him in and out of the line-up for extended periods. A plus 300lb. man, short on endurance with a bum knee is not a good combination. The best hope is that the knee will get better with rest and treatment since it dosen't appear to be serious enough for an MRI.

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[quote=Buster;717288]Shanahan had planned to make him pass a test to practice. Albert's playing games with it and since then, Coach has come out and said publicly that AH could end up practicing without passing the test...he's on top of things and knows what Fatso is doing...but won't let it derail the training camp for the entire team.

I have no doubts that we're running a highly structured, effective and overall great camp for the entire team. Haynesworth is not interfering with anyone but himself and the media who drools over another day of Chicken Little Redskins reporting.[/quote]

Ok, you are completely making something out of nothing. Why can't you just see things for what they are? Why does everything have to be a conspiracy or someone playing games and whatnot? Ok, we get it that you don't like AH, neither do I and a lot of people. But that doesn't mean you get to make stuff up. Like I said, I wish people would just stop complaining about this and discuss other things that are more relevant and important, rather than coming up with conspiracy theories and crap.

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[quote=Longtimefan;717296]He had problems with the knee last year, that's why I suggested in an earlier post the fact this could be a lingering problem that could have him in and out of the line-up for extended periods. A plus 300lb. man, short on endurance with a bum knee is not a good combination. The best hope is that the knee will get better with rest and treatment since it dosen't appear to be serious enough for an MRI.[/quote]

Good post. you da man

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SS, if I had a buck for everytime I've heard or seen Albert Haynesworth's name since March, I wouldn't have to worry about out-living my savings. If it's not one thing, it's another.

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I dont care what AH does anymore... As long as he helps this team win games I'm cool with what he does..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;717331]I dont care what AH does anymore... As long as he helps this team win games I'm cool with what he does..[/quote]

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'm so over this dude. I'm hoping he gets right and comes in and dominates at DE. If he doesn't and continues to be a big turd, Shanny/Allen will deal with him. That's really all I have left for this guy.

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I think everyone has Haynesworth fatigue at this point.

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[quote=12thMan;717395]I think everyone has Haynesworth fatigue at this point.[/quote]

I welcome the Favre talk at this point

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[quote=Mattyk;717457]I welcome the Favre talk at this point[/quote]

*gasp* BLASPHEMY!!!!

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[quote=12thMan;717395]I think everyone has Haynesworth fatigue at this point.[/quote]

Amen.

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i was looking for some info on jarmon and stumbled across this article about hanyesworth and shanny. it's a decent read, i only skimmed through it to be honest though just like everyone else i'm pretty burnt out on haynesworth talk. anyway here is a link to the article and a few qoutes thought some good news about haynesworth was worth posting. and i really hope jarmon has a good year i think he could be a pretty damn good de/lb in the 3-4.

[quote]Perhaps most encouraging is Haynesworth's effort to counteract his reputation as a selfish and self-absorbed teammate. He has taken a visible interest in second-year player Jeremy Jarmon, tutoring him on the sideline and demonstrating techniques.

"Albert's always been able to help me out, sometimes when Coach is occupied and doing things, he's able to kind of just keep some of those ideas fresh in my head that Coach was going over in meetings and stuff," Jarmon says. "He just talks to me about hand placement and stance and things like that."
[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/03/AR2010080306512.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=mlmdub130;717475]i was looking for some info on jarmon and stumbled across this article about hanyesworth and shanny. it's a decent read, i only skimmed through it to be honest though just like everyone else i'm pretty burnt out on haynesworth talk. anyway here is a link to the article and a few qoutes thought some good news about haynesworth was worth posting. and i really hope jarmon has a good year i think he could be a pretty damn good de/lb in the 3-4.



[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/03/AR2010080306512.html]washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/717104-post502.html[/url]

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whats montana fishburnes "stage" name?

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[quote=over the mountain;717479]whats montana fishburnes "stage" name?[/quote]

Chippy D

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[quote=over the mountain;717479]whats montana fishburnes "stage" name?[/quote]

I hear she doesn't mine getting double teamed and does it for a lot less than $100Mil.

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[quote=Mattyk;717457]I welcome the Favre talk at this point[/quote]

Yeah, on second thought, I would rather have the Haynesworth talk -- it's been 2 days and I'm already Favre'd out

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[quote=Mattyk;717457]I welcome the Favre talk at this point[/quote]
.....................who?lol

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[quote=Giantone;717528].....................who?lol[/quote]


Well its obvious why you didn't understand who this greatness he was speaking of, classic case of Fleli itis....

Now if was a little more specific in his terminology even you could have had a chance to understand... "LORD" Favre ring a bell?

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They need to cut the shit and just have AH sit out til the knee is treated and healed. Every time they try to test the guy is a media feeding frenzy that is fast becoming a distraction to the team. Diffuse the situation by sitting AH out with an aggravated knee injury. He probably aggravated it busting ass to shed those 35lbs as he probably overdid it with running, etc. I see no point in giving the press ammo to this stupid drama. Shanahan isn't doing himself any favors with this crap anymore. Just sit the guy out til the knee heals.

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^ That's what they are doing

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This sounds promising:
JReidPost
Redskins sources: Haynesworth scheduled to arrive at complex in about 30 minutes to begin daily workout. Knee still not cooperating.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

JReidPost
Redskins sources II: May decide to take test despite balky knee because he's eager to finally participate in full practice.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

JReidPost
Redskins sources III: Working well with Haslett and actually now likes new D, but test still hurdle. Moral of story: Don't mess with Shanny.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

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[quote=SmootSmack;717477][url]http://www.thewarpath.net/717104-post502.html[/url][/quote]

thanks, kinda hard to keep up with this thread

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Even though Albert loss 35 pounds he was clearly not in football shape if he could not pass the conditioning test. This test will show if you have worked on your cardio. I understand that AH will not run that far during the game but he needs to be in better cardio shape to help his endurance for the reg season games. Last year he was clearly not in top shape. If he gets in top shape he will have a monster season.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;717533]Well its obvious why you didn't understand who this greatness he was speaking of, classic case of Fleli itis....

Now if was a little more specific in his terminology even you could have had a chance to understand... "LORD" Favre ring a bell?[/quote]

Whoa Whoa Whoa you may get Saden coming down on you!!!

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Am I the only one that doesn't consider being able to do 600 (or 900) yard shuttle run as being equivalent to football shape for a DT? I keep hearing Haynesworth isn't in football shape; then someone mentions a shuttle run. Lets get him in pads and see if he can shed blockers in a 10 yard (max) run. That's football shape.

Honestly, I think that Albert could have done more -- but lets not confuse a DT doing shuttle runs vs. football shape. I'm curious how many along our DL could do this drill.

Both sides made mistakes. Haynesworth seems to have bought in. Lets get this done, get him on the field, and let Haynesworth add his presence to the front 3.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;717556]They need to cut the shit and just have AH sit out til the knee is treated and healed. Every time they try to test the guy is a media feeding frenzy that is fast becoming a distraction to the team. Diffuse the situation by sitting AH out with an aggravated knee injury. He probably aggravated it busting ass to shed those 35lbs as he probably overdid it with running, etc. I see no point in giving the press ammo to this stupid drama. Shanahan isn't doing himself any favors with this crap anymore. Just sit the guy out til the knee heals.[/quote]


This was all brought on by AH because he refused to come to camps saying he was working on his own. Its great he lost 35 pounds but he could have done that by just diet alone. Now he shows up and is out of shape so he needs to be embarassed.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;717556]They need to cut the shit and just have AH sit out til the knee is treated and healed. Every time they try to test the guy is a media feeding frenzy that is fast becoming a distraction to the team. Diffuse the situation by sitting AH out with an aggravated knee injury. He probably aggravated it busting ass to shed those 35lbs as he probably overdid it with running, etc. I see no point in giving the press ammo to this stupid drama. Shanahan isn't doing himself any favors with this crap anymore. Just sit the guy out til the knee heals.[/quote]


This was all brought on by AH because he refused to come to camps saying he was working on his own. Its great he lost 35 pounds but he could have done that by just diet alone. Now he shows up and is out of shape so he needs to be embarassed. It also set the tone for other team members,

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Daseal makes a good point. I'm sure a lot of us could pass this test, but that certainly does not mean we're anywhere near being in football shape.

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[quote=Mattyk;717606]Daseal makes a good point. I'm sure a lot of us could pass this test, but that certainly does not mean we're anywhere near being in football shape.[/quote]

I think thats the whole point. I think the test is more or less trying to see if Albert even has the dedication to ATTEMPT to pass. From what i heard he almost made it the last time, so maybe they will let up and let him practice.

BUT, if he keeps on with this not trying stuff....then they should cut his ass

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[quote=GusFrerotte;717556]They need to cut the shit and just have AH sit out til the knee is treated and healed. Every time they try to test the guy is a media feeding frenzy that is fast becoming a distraction to the team. Diffuse the situation by sitting AH out with an aggravated knee injury. He probably aggravated it busting ass to shed those 35lbs as he probably overdid it with running, etc. I see no point in giving the press ammo to this stupid drama. Shanahan isn't doing himself any favors with this crap anymore. Just sit the guy out til the knee heals.[/quote]

I tend to agree here...tell the press he will not be running on the knee for the next week so it can heal up...rather than doing light work on it...ditch the work, it can't be helping a bad knee...put him in a brace and let him watch practice and work on the rest of his body and study the playbook like a machine. If the message comes from Shanny, it will still look like he is calling all the shots....I don't see the value in Haynesworth aggravating a knee injury to run some mandatory shuttle test. He'd obviously have to run hard to get through it...likewise, he shouldn't be practicing on a bad knee either...but he should be able to be involved in walkthroughs...again...if Shanny says it is all to benefit his knee...and he must still pass later..he still has all the cards.

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[quote=Daseal;717603]Am I the only one that doesn't consider being able to do 600 (or 900) yard shuttle run as being equivalent to football shape for a DT? I keep hearing Haynesworth isn't in football shape; then someone mentions a shuttle run. Lets get him in pads and see if he can shed blockers in a 10 yard (max) run. That's football shape.

Honestly, I think that Albert could have done more -- but lets not confuse a DT doing shuttle runs vs. football shape. I'm curious how many along our DL could do this drill.

Both sides made mistakes. Haynesworth seems to have bought in. Lets get this done, get him on the field, and let Haynesworth add his presence to the front 3.[/quote]

Judging by comments from Matt Bowen and Jeff Fisher, these shuttle runs are pretty much standard across the league. I'm going to guess that more than half of the DTs in the league could do this without a problem, on the first try.

By the way, I've never been a fan of the term "football shape." It reminds me of Bobby Knight trying to understand "game face." That said, *anyone* in the league should be able to do this IMO. If you can't run 300 yards, then you can't play an entire game of football IMO.

When did running at football practice become taboo?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;717611]I think thats the whole point. I think the test is more or less trying to see if Albert even has the dedication to ATTEMPT to pass. From what i heard he almost made it the last time, so maybe they will let up and let him practice.

[B]BUT, if he keeps on with this not trying stuff....then they should cut his ass[/B][/quote]

If he has so little heart or loyalty that he won't do this thing.....GET THE F... RID OF HIM
BTW, I don't anybody believes that he IS in "football" shape if he can run a couple of shuttles. I think the point is, if he CANNOT, that he is not even close and no point in going further?

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[quote=Ruhskins;717299]Ok, you are completely making something out of nothing. Why can't you just see things for what they are? Why does everything have to be a conspiracy or someone playing games and whatnot? Ok, we get it that you don't like AH, neither do I and a lot of people. But that doesn't mean you get to make stuff up. Like I said, I wish people would just stop complaining about this and discuss other things that are more relevant and important, rather than coming up with conspiracy theories and crap.[/quote]

Are you sure you replied to the right post?


I got that statement right from Shanahan's mouth (CSN Sportsnite interview specifically). What exactly did I make up? Shanny said he may let him practice without passing the test. It's no conspiracy theory.

I have no huge problem with AH, far less than others on here. I want him to get his act together and play...it's better for the team.

Just look at the post before this one. :D

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;717613]Judging by comments from Matt Bowen and Jeff Fisher, these shuttle runs are pretty much standard across the league. I'm going to guess that more than half of the DTs in the league could do this without a problem, on the first try.

By the way, I've never been a fan of the term "football shape." It reminds me of Bobby Knight trying to understand "game face." That said, *anyone* in the league should be able to do this IMO. If you can't run 300 yards, then you can't play an entire game of football IMO.

When did running at football practice become taboo?[/quote]

Great post

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[url=http://www.freep.com/article/20100805/SPORTS01/8050354/1049/SPORTS01/Ndamukong-Suh-passes-Haynesworth-Test]Ndamukong Suh passes 'Haynesworth Test' | freep.com | Detroit Free Press[/url]



Before he could take the field, he first completed what previously was considered a mundane conditioning drill until Redskins coach Mike Shanahan and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth butted heads this week. Even Suh referred to it as "the Haynesworth Test."

It required running 25-yard sprints six times. Suh, below, passed, running it in 65 seconds one time and 67 seconds the other.

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Well.........he has his place in history. Provocateur of the vaunted Haynesworth Test..........