Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=over the mountain;737926]i went over to bolttalk after posting here to see what the fans thought as well as try and find details on jacksons contract.

Im not exaggerating, every single charger fan posting on there was 100% in aj smiths corner. i was very surprised. they view jackson's agent as a cry baby b/c they think he advised jackson to not sign tender b/c he would get dealt but now that hasnt happened, jackson's agents comments are viewed as being whiny and cya.

[B]saden - did smith promise jackson he would get a new contract last year?[/B][/quote]

Who knows what he was or wasn't promised...it doesn't matter what was promised only what he is getting or not getting right now. If he was promised anything he should have gotten it in writing, otherwise tough shit. He can sit out and let the chips fall where they may and if he believes he truly suffered a grave injustice he should take it to court or arbitration instead of preaching ethics to us.

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Lord of No Rings... I like that

Kinda hard to side with Smith given his reputation of being a stubborn a-hole. So if VJ hits the open market and gets out of dodge for nothing, isn't that some serious egg on the face for good ol' AJ?

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I have little sympathy for Jackson, who could have signed his tender to be payed at the first and third round level. What Smith did to screw him over was the ballzy move, but was perfectly allowable per the CBA. The Chargers aren't in violation of anything.

I happen to think a lot of teams would have been much better off had they met the Chargers' price tag. But I also think the Chargers were hardly accounting for the discount rate of VJ's suspension. Sure, in a vacuum, if Brandon Marshall returned two seconds, then Jackson is worth more than that.

But he's also only going to play 12 games this season (now 10), and the Chargers can't necessarily claim compensation for the option to extend Jackson's contract. If other teams think that he's going to hit the market this time next year, than the Chargers can only get compensated for the value of those 12 games in terms of draft picks.

Now, considering he's making league minimum, that's A LOT of surplus value for those 12 games. But a second and a conditional sixth seems about the max amount the Chargers could reasonably receive in a trade for 12 games of a top receiver.

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[quote=saden1;737922]What is unethical is you drinking and driving for the second time and getting yourself suspended by the league, threatening to sit out the whole season and then crying foul when the Chargers stick it to you. If I'm the owner and he wanted top 3 money I'd screw him too. Boo hoo hoo.[/quote]

AJ Smith is that you??

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Negotiating is about leverage - - and in this case, Jackson and his agent have very little.

The Chargers have done nothing in this process which can form the basis of a grievance by Jackson where the NFLPA would get involved on his behalf. There is a contract on the table waiting for his signature, If he chooses not to sign it - - as he says he [B]never[/B] will - - then there are consequences that fall from that choice.
[INDENT][By the bye, does anyone recall when Lance Briggs swore up and down he would never play a down of football again rather than play for the Chicago Bears? That was about 3 years ago and Briggs has been a LB for the Bears ever since. "Never" is a word that is used frequently in negotiations to mean "I really really don't wanna..."][/INDENT]
With regard to a trade, the Chargers are not obliged in any way to accede to that demand. After all, Jackson has voluntarily stayed away from the team and so he is not a distraction or a negative presence in their locker room. So the Chargers have set a price for him and have stuck to that price. Jackson can fume all he wants, but there is no rule that says the Chargers have to trade him at a price that will move him quickly.

Maybe if the Chargers wind up getting nothing in return for Jackson sometime down the road - - the new CBA will have clauses that cover situations such as this - - then maybe we can fault AJ Smith for getting less than he could for Jackson. The fallout then will be the same as now. Smith made a choice about a trade and that choice will have consequences...

As I understand it, there is one more brief window of time where Jackson can be traded this year before the trade deadline comes and goes. If he and his agent have any common sense at all, they will both STFU for the next couple of weeks and let this cool down a notch as that new window for a trade approaches. Maybe if they stop making this an ego battle in addition to a contract dispute, they might find a way for Jackson to be traded somewhere.

I don't know if that will work. What I do know is that all the bombast and all of the ultimatums that have come from Jackson and his agent have not worked even a little bit. Maybe time to try a different tack...?

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Looks like Jackson is the lone hold out. I wonder if the Chargers are going to let him even come back to earn his year of eligibility...and I wonder if sitting out will take a toll on his abilities (see Darrelle Revis).

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5614020]San Diego Chargers LT Marcus McNeill rejoins team, signs tender - ESPN[/url]

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;738463]Looks like Jackson is the lone hold out. I wonder if the Chargers are going to let him even come back to earn his year of eligibility...and I wonder if sitting out will take a toll on his abilities (see Darrelle Revis).

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5614020]San Diego Chargers LT Marcus McNeill rejoins team, signs tender - ESPN[/url][/quote]

McNeil is much more important to that team than Jackson is. I bet McNeil gets a nice pay day in the end and Jackson is more like a Albert Haynesworth...bait an idoit GM for big money and find excuses not to play.

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[quote=Chico23231;738466]McNeil is much more important to that team than Jackson is. I bet McNeil gets a nice pay day in the end and Jackson is more like a Albert Haynesworth...bait an idoit GM for big money and find excuses not to play.[/quote]

Actually, Jackson is nothing like Haynesworth. AH got his payday. Jackson is being smart because one bad play and he never gets his payday.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;738463]Looks like Jackson is the lone hold out. I wonder if the Chargers are going to let him even come back to earn his year of eligibility...and I wonder if sitting out will take a toll on his abilities (see Darrelle Revis).

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5614020"]San Diego Chargers LT Marcus McNeill rejoins team, signs tender - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

I wouldn't say Revis' holdout hurt his abilities as a football player. But he was thrust into the starting lineup before getting into football shape, and now he's got a pulled hammy.

AJ Smith is a giant turd.

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Revis was smart to hold out too.

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is it too late to trade for V. Jackson, since the skins only have one WR and won't put Devin Thomas in the lineup.

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If VJ can teach our defense how to play the 3-4 then sign him up.

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[quote=Ruhskins;740123]If VJ can teach our defense how to play the 3-4 then sign him up.[/quote]

Can the defense teach our WR's how to catch? I love the way people try to devert the attention away from one problem and turn it into the one they are only interested in.

No, VJ can't teach the 3-4 to our defense so we might as well forget even trading for a WR even though we only have one catching anything. Lets over look that the only threats we have and utilize is Moss, Cooley, and Portis. No need to bring in another WR to help out Moss unless he can teach the 3-4 to the defense.

I sure hope the same standard is being used for whomever should be brought in on the defensive side of the ball..... hopefully they know how to teach our WR's to catch, run routes, and block.

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[quote=SBXVII;740161]Can the defense teach our WR's how to catch? I love the way people try to devert the attention away from one problem and turn it into the one they are only interested in.

No, VJ can't teach the 3-4 to our defense so we might as well forget even trading for a WR even though we only have one catching anything. Lets over look that the only threats we have and utilize is Moss, Cooley, and Portis. No need to bring in another WR to help out Moss unless he can teach the 3-4 to the defense.

I sure hope the same standard is being used for whomever should be brought in on the defensive side of the ball..... hopefully they know how to teach our WR's to catch, run routes, and block.[/quote]

Given our offensive performance against the Texans, I would say that we can produce on that side of the ball. It seems that a lot of the drop off this week came because of Trent Williams being out (exposing the lack of depth in our line), probably still having running issues, and our defense failing to stop a rookie QB leading a Jackson-less Rams offense.

While WR is still an issue (and it will be if MS insists on putting Old Man Galloway and Roydell Williams; not to mention maybe McNabb not being able to trust a WR not named Santana Moss), I don't think it is to a point where the team must bet the farm through picks and a high contract on a talented WR that already has off the field issues, will most likely be suspended for a long time the next time he messes up, and whose GM will not trade because they are making him an example.

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I know we need VJ but we also are going to need our draft picks next year to fill the many holes on this team. There will be some WR in FA. We definately need a NT, 2 Gs, a C, CBs, FSs, LBs, RBs, RT ( do not see Brown staying after this year), and maybe another QB since we only have one signed past this year.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;738463]Looks like Jackson is the lone hold out. I wonder if the Chargers are going to let him even come back to earn his year of eligibility...and I wonder if sitting out will take a toll on his abilities (see Darrelle Revis).

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5614020]San Diego Chargers LT Marcus McNeill rejoins team, signs tender - ESPN[/url][/quote]


Logan Mankins in New England is still a hold-out...

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[quote=Stacks42;740074]is it too late to trade for V. Jackson, since the skins only have one WR and won't put Devin Thomas in the lineup.[/quote]


If/when they put Devin Thomas in the line-up they will still only have one WR. For the last two years, everyone said it takes 3 years for a WR to "mature"/"develop" - - pretending that other rookie and second year WRs around the league are all turkeys. This is Thomas' third year and he can't find room unless it's a 5 WR package.

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Snooping over the Jackson mega boards @ ES and everyone is trying to decipher TK's new riddle on this issue...Just the messenger here...

Apparently there might be a trade looming with a team that roars and runs a 4-3 defense...
That part was easy,as I have that as being the Lions..(And Schwartz is hayneswroth old coach from Tennessee)

Question is...is it just Haynesworth or are we trying to work a deal for one of their WR's in a trade...?

I'm wondering if we aren't trying to trade for Calvin Johnson? I've heard they are not happy with him over there...who knows? Or someone else...

Maybe Shanny feels he can get a younger and better potential prospect cheaper than what old A.J. Smith is trying to screw people with...lol

Wouldn't that be crazy?

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Interesting.. shouldnt this be in the AH thread no the VJ thread.

Once we lose our third game are you going to change that ridiculous sig? You really lose alot of creditbility by using that.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;740634]Snooping over the Jackson mega boards @ ES and everyone is trying to decipher TK's new riddle on this issue...Just the messenger here...

Apparently there might be a trade looming with a team that roars and runs a 4-3 defense...
That part was easy,as I have that as being the Lions..(And Schwartz is hayneswroth old coach from Tennessee)

Question is...is it just Haynesworth or are we trying to work a deal for one of their WR's in a trade...?

I'm wondering if we aren't trying to trade for Calvin Johnson? I've heard they are not happy with him over there...who knows? Or someone else...

Maybe Shanny feels he can get a younger and better potential prospect cheaper than what old A.J. Smith is trying to screw people with...lol

Wouldn't that be crazy?[/quote]



If the Lions traded Calvin Johnson for Albert Haynesworth, that would be CRAZY in every language ever known to the human race.

If Bruce Allen pulls that off, beware. It means he has sold his soul to the Devil...

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Haynesworth won't fetch Johnson. Hell, I think the Lions didn't want him to influence Suh.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;740634]Snooping over the Jackson mega boards @ ES and everyone is trying to decipher TK's new riddle on this issue...Just the messenger here...

Apparently there might be a trade looming with a team that roars and runs a 4-3 defense...
That part was easy,as I have that as being the Lions..(And Schwartz is hayneswroth old coach from Tennessee)

Question is...is it just Haynesworth or are we trying to work a deal for one of their WR's in a trade...?

I'm wondering if we aren't trying to trade for Calvin Johnson? I've heard they are not happy with him over there...who knows? Or someone else...

Maybe Shanny feels he can get a younger and better potential prospect cheaper than what old A.J. Smith is trying to screw people with...lol

Wouldn't that be crazy?[/quote]

That's what you get from reading ES...crazy.

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i'd ... jizz...in ... my pants if we got calvin johnson

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;740634]Snooping over the Jackson mega boards @ ES and everyone is trying to decipher TK's new riddle on this issue...Just the messenger here...

Apparently there might be a trade looming with a team that roars and runs a 4-3 defense...
That part was easy,as I have that as being the Lions..(And Schwartz is hayneswroth old coach from Tennessee)

Question is...is it just Haynesworth or are we trying to work a deal for one of their WR's in a trade...?

I'm wondering if we aren't trying to trade for Calvin Johnson? I've heard they are not happy with him over there...who knows? Or someone else...

Maybe Shanny feels he can get a younger and better potential prospect cheaper than what old A.J. Smith is trying to screw people with...lol

Wouldn't that be crazy?[/quote]

If Matt Millen was running the Lions, I'd believe anything. Since he's not, there is no f*cking way that the Lions would trade Megatron. They could easily be 2-1 right now if Stafford had not gotten injured. If BA can pull this off, he might as well try his hand at trading Santana Moss for the entire Jets offensive line (or Nick Mangold)

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I really think TK is being facetious with the members there. Unless it's Lavarleap56 and a couple others, insider info is not forthcoming.


And I swear I read some article in which the Lions didn't want Haynesworth because they didn't want him ruining Suh.

Here it is:
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/30/worried-about-influence-on-suh-lions-lose-interest-in-haynesworth/]Worried about influence on Suh, Lions lose interest in Haynesworth | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Not Florio, some dude named Michael David Smith.

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[quote=Ruhskins;740765]If Matt Millen was running the Lions, I'd believe anything. Since he's not, there is no f*cking way that the Lions would trade Megatron. They could easily be 2-1 right now if Stafford had not gotten injured. If BA can pull this off, he might as well try his hand at trading Santana Moss for the entire Jets offensive line (or Nick Mangold)[/quote]

Yeah, the whole "The Lions are unhappy with Megatron and want to trade him" thing seems rather far-fetched.

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What kind of drugs are you people smoking?

Seriously.

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[quote=wilsowilso;740781][B]What kind of drugs are you people smoking?[/B]Seriously.[/quote]


I beleive I can fly.

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umm TK makes vague statements that ES members wet themselves over thinking he has inside info. he doesnt. a few years ago he used to make more direct predictions that he shrouded in a cloak of "i have inside access" but then he ended up being wrong on.

now he makes these vague statements so that he can never be right or wrong.

TK is a joke, jerk and one of the many reasons why i personally stay as far away from that site as possible.

why do you have to relay whatever mind-game ego-stroking post he makes there over to here? i digress thoo, im havin a bad morning.

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MegaTron in a skins uni with santana as the numero dos and big armed mcnabb throwing the ball???

Sounds great, only if our OLine can give him a chance to chuck the ball down the field.............

btw.........not EVER going to happen.

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[quote=wilsowilso;740781]What kind of drugs are you people smoking?

Seriously.[/quote]
I believe it's a weed called Florio.

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We're working out a Rams WR...some guy...

[url=http://twitter.com/HBalzer721/statuses/25827320509]Twitter / Howard Balzer: Rams officially re-signed ...[/url]

A.J/Chargers will blink and the Redskins will get VJ for a 3rd and 5th!
 

I think I know what A.J will eventually do...

He does not want to take the chance of VJ holding out all season as his agents appear to be very serious about this.

He knows he just can't get the compensation for what he wants and the Moss deal will be what helps him make this decision imo..

I do believe him,when he says that he wants more from AFC teams in compensation than what he would take from an NFC team.

But here's the kicker...he's gonna want to screw VJ as much as possible I believe...So he will trade VJ to a team that has a week 6 BYE (trade deadline) or beyond.

[B]This narrows the teams that get VJ to this list imo (NFC Teams)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Week 6 bye=Cardinals,Panthers
Week 7 bye=Lions
Week 8 bye=Falcons,Bears,Giants,Eagles
Week 9 bye=Niners,Rams,Redskins
Week 10 bye=Packers,Saints [/B]

This would give VJ,one less game even beyond his suspension which will justify A.J. giving in and blinking...imo

Now the only teams I can see possibly getting VJ,would be the Rams,Panthers and Redskins of that list above.

[B]Rams[/B]=Bradford has played well with what he has,but with their injuries..VJ could help big time,not to mention that they are in the hunt at 2-2 to win the division!
[B]Panthers[/B]=similar situation as Rams with Smith going down and Clausen getting the start now but this would be a move for their future, as they probably feel they aren't winning it this season.
[B]Redskins[/B]=Outside of a few plays here and there from Armstrong and Moss,Shanny will want to give McNabb some help that the Eagles never did in his tenure there. Plus,this will be important with Portis out and Shanny going with a running game,even he's not sure about. (I see Roydell as the odd man out,giving us VJ,Moss,Armstrong,Galloway,Thomas and Banks) Could also be Devin Thomas with all we are hearing,so who knows here?

But this is the tricky part...we don't have the 2011 picks that A.J. and the chargers want...The Redskins do not have a 3rd or 4th rounder in the 2011 draft. (Mcnabb and Brown trade)

..and we aren't giving them the 2nd that A.J. wanted or the deal would have been done by now. (we even already have a contract set up for the guy at 4 yrs/44 Million)

So I see the Redskins giving them our 5th rounder. (the one we swapped up/down to get Carriker for a steal) in the 2011 draft and our 2012 3rd rounder.

This is better compensation than the Moss deal(and Holmes) and what the chargers would get in compensation in the compensatory pick.(Which would be a very low 3rd rounder after everyone has picked in that round) btw..his agents said he would sign a cap 1st year friendly deal as a free agent to screw the chargers out of their 3rd round compensatory pick as well...which helps in us trading for him too.

So there you have it!
I expect a deal to go down sometime next week after the Green Bay game, that has to made before the Colts game as the trade deadline hits. But who knows? That A.J. seems to be a stubborn fool..lol

Lets hope A.J. blinks! :food-smil

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ugh I thought this was a thread with some real news, merging with the existing VJ thread.

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For someone who claims to "know" football, you sure let your own biases cloud your judgement.

Re: A.J/Chargers will blink and the Redskins will get VJ for a 3rd and 5th!
 

[quote=Mattyk;744620]ugh I thought this was a thread with some real news, merging with the existing VJ thread.[/quote]

Don't worry Matt,we will be able to put the headlines "Redskins trade for Jackson" link right here inside this baby...:biggthump

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;744621]For someone who claims to "know" football, you sure let your own biases cloud your judgement.[/quote]

I get a lot of crap for my 14-2 sig...and I'll admit..I deserve it.

But it isn't near as bad as your [B]Fire Haslett,hire Wade[/B] sig dude...

I would hire Greg Blache back,before hiring humpty dumpty...unbelievable!

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"The Patriots have explored the possibility of trading for Jackson, reports Comcast Sportsnet.
Spin: Earlier reports indicated long odds on this potential trade, citing Jackson's contract status and off-field issues as reasons for the poor fit. While those concerns are still valid, this latest report suggests offensive lineman Logan Mankins could be the trade bait that gives this rumor new legs. Mankins, like Jackson, is holding out after electing to not sign his tender offer this past offseason. A deal is far from imminent and still unlikely, but with the Patriots' new perceived hole at wide receiver, the rumor probably won't die until Jackson's actual future is known." from Rotowire

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[quote=Stacks42;744627]"The Patriots have explored the possibility of trading for Jackson, reports Comcast Sportsnet.
Spin: Earlier reports indicated long odds on this potential trade, citing Jackson's contract status and off-field issues as reasons for the poor fit. While those concerns are still valid, this latest report suggests offensive lineman Logan Mankins could be the trade bait that gives this rumor new legs. Mankins, like Jackson, is holding out after electing to not sign his tender offer this past offseason. A deal is far from imminent and still unlikely, but with the Patriots' new perceived hole at wide receiver, the rumor probably won't die until Jackson's actual future is known." from Rotowire[/quote]

I just can't see the chargers/AJ trading their prime WR to the patriots and having it come back to bite them.

Not to mention they would be trading one problem for another as both Mankins and VJ want to get paid and have new contracts and both franchises are cheap.

Plus,although the Patriots have the picks to make the deal,the chargers are going to want WAY more for VJ,than the Patriots will be willing to make.

Like Mankins plus picks...
This deal isn't happening imo..

VJ will go to an NFC team,if he's dealt at all...
I'm staying with the Rams,Panthers or Redskins as my top 3 possibilites.

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VJ's twitter: [url=http://twitter.com/VincentTJackson]Vincent Jackson (VincentTJackson) on Twitter[/url]

BTW...The latest on Pats maybe getting V.J.
mortreport Chris Mortensen
RT @GoodFella31: @mortreport is V Jax going 2 NE? >> That's a negative as in no, even with all the buzz
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