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[quote=Giantone;733119]............not if you have a sarcasm smiley.:)[/quote]

I find emoticons to be a necessary evil at times to convey, among other things, sarcasm. However for some reason I find the :) smiley creepy. I think it's due to that guy from Extremeskins that was using them way to much a couple of years ago. If I remember right it concerned some guy that was abusing his power over there all the while using smiley faces in every other post. Also worth noting is the fact that the guy was over 40.

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I hear ya on the smiley thing, some people seem to think that cancels out whatever dickish behavior they're exhibiting. :D

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^ I'm confused.... were you trying to cancel out some dickish move with the smiley there? lol.

More on the R.Moss issue.....
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a86ac1/article/moss-belichick-meet-to-discuss-patriots-receivers-comments?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Moss, Belichick meet to discuss Patriots receiver's comments[/url]

I'm betting typical Belichick.... "Look, I don't allow players to talk to the media so Randy if you still want your full paycheck and not be seated on the bench during games, don't say a word to the media." "Oh and don't forget, your under contact with us until season ends."

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[quote=SBXVII;733224]^ I'm confused.... were you trying to cancel out some dickish move with the smiley there? lol.

More on the R.Moss issue.....
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a86ac1/article/moss-belichick-meet-to-discuss-patriots-receivers-comments?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Moss, Belichick meet to discuss Patriots receiver's comments[/url]

I'm betting typical Belichick.... "Look, I don't allow players to talk to the media so Randy if you still want your full paycheck and not be seated on the bench during games, don't say a word to the media." "Oh and don't forget, your under contact with us until season ends."[/quote]

Darth Hoody is going to wave his hand and tell Randy "You are happy with the Patriots and you will keep quiet." And Randy will comply.

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[quote=Ruhskins;733195]Here's the mascot's next target...

[IMG]http://fwgnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/101008-ines-sainz1.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Any chance someone can pick her up for the Lingerie Football League?

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I've seen that mascot-eats-cheerleader/dancer thing has been done by the Toronto Raptors, Houston Rockets, Milwaukee Bucks before.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;733042]Shouldn't we trade Landry first since he is a bust?[/quote]

WTF! Your a bust.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;733278]WTF! Your a bust.[/quote]
:goodjob:

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People sure are testy given that we just beat Dallas.

AH is tearing us apart!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;733042]Shouldn't we trade Landry first since he is a bust?[/quote]

Hilarious.
Great point Pocket$ $traights and I like the sarcasm.
Funny how some have forgotten on this sight that last season an angry few wanted Landry (and Carlos Rogers for that matter) traded or at least cut and now all of sudden they have value again. Some people get carried away by their emotions/hate and don't think with logic about a players value.

It gets lost how our secondary's play suffered severely last season by Gregg Williams departure and Blache taking over. Greg Williams is a great mentor to the DB's play and is very influential. When the defense was on the field Williams was yelling the DB's coverages right up to the snap. He would change up coverages up to the last second. Blache was brain dead in comparison when it came to the DB's and mentoring them.

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The best thing that could happen (unfortunately) is if some defensive starting lineman goes down for the season so we get another trading partner.
The jets just lost starting NT Kris Jenkins (who I believe was a DT in a 4-3 with carolina at one point.
Too bad the press has been making such a fuss that haynesworth doesn't want to play NT...because the Jets would be a great trading partner....especially since they are AFC.
I would take a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat for Haynesworth....I really thnk anything short of that would mean he stays on the team for the remainder of the season.
Keep in mind a Jets 2nd rounder should be kinda low...they should consider it...just to help US out!

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Jets lose Jenkins for season.. He's a NT though

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[quote=skinsfaninok;733363]Jets lose Jenkins for season.. He's a NT though[/quote]


So what trade him to them anyway ,let him be their problem.

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Yea I agree Giantone

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[quote=Giantone;733374]So what trade him to them anyway ,let him be their problem.[/quote]

I am sure you and the Giants would like us to trade AH out of the NFC east.
Then you guys can rush for over 200 yards over Golsten, Kemo and Carricker.
We need this malcontent this season until we can get a replacement. .

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The Jets aren't going to want a guy that is clearly not suited for NT.

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The Jets don't run the same 3-4 we do and their tannanbaum or whatever his name is,said he'll look into all avenues,but that they will look to address D-line.

I believe something is cooking already...They are already speculating how haynesworth could be moved to DE with Poul or whatever moved to Nose...Check out the ganggreen forums and it's nuts on this...

The question is...what the hell is shanny/team wanting in compensation? 21 mil back? and or a 2nd rounder...?

I had the wheels turning in my head and I can't help but wonder,if they would trade us either Braylon Edwards or santonio Holmes (currently serving 4 game suspension) and already 1 out of the way...I don't think were getting a 2nd rd pick,but i do think we could get a player.

And a WR would be an upgrade, despite my thread in the warpath on our WR's being fine...

So I was thinking..(it hurts..lol)
What if we traded haynesworth for Santonio Holmes? Didn't they just trade for him for a 4th rounder?

That would be more than fair value on both ends imo...

And I think that Holmes can practice with the team, for the next few weeks while serving his suspension as well..right? Learn the Playbook,etc.?

So i ask...Would you guys trade Albert Haynesworth for Santonio Holmes straight up?
If this were on the table?

I'm thinking Fat Al's destination is more likely to the jets instead of tennessee imo...
Maybe Rex's ego thinks he would fit?

And maybe the Jets are more desperate and would make a better deal than the titans?
Specially after the loss...

Who knows?

(BTW...they're already looking at possibly trading for Sean Rogers) so the phones are working....

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NM...lol
[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/glauber-s-nfl-hot-reads-1.811959/league-source-jets-won-t-pursue-haynesworth-1.2289374]League source: Jets won't pursue Haynesworth[/url]

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While serving a suspension you are not allowed any contact with the team.

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Someone asked if I would trade Albert Haynesworth for Santonio Holmes even up - - if that trade were offered.

The answer is:

[B][INDENT]Hell, Yeah![/INDENT][/B]

Holmes is hardly a model citizen or a contender for "Best Teammate In The NFL" for any given season, but I would take him and his ability to play every offensive snap from Game 5 - Game 16 this year and all of next year compared to Haynesworth's ability to play no more than 50% of the defensive snaps.

In fact, if Haynesworth's contributions to the next 3 Skins' games are the same as last Sunday night, then Holmes contributions while on a 4-game suspension are about the same.

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Santonio for AH straight up would be a no-brainer. Trouble is the Jets have zero interest in AH and they LOVE Santonio. Pipe dream over.

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[quote=Mattyk;733701]Santonio for AH straight up would be a no-brainer. Trouble is the Jets have zero interest in AH and they LOVE Santonio. Pipe dream over.[/quote]

Don't they play 3-4 defense?

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Yes they play a 3-4.

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Well the Jets signed Howard Green, so they kind of got a former Redskins DT

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Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

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[quote=SmootSmack;733723]Well the Jets signed Howard Green, so they kind of got a former Redskins DT[/quote]

What a downgrade.

Anyways...[url=http://twitter.com/TheJetsStream/statuses/24501659286]Twitter / Manish Mehta : #Jets have not made any ov ...[/url]

"Yet" sounds promising.

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Did you see him play against Dallas, or the entire preseason? He may be the most talented DL, but he's certainly not playing like it. I really hope we unload him before the trade deadline. He's dead weight in this scheme. Not saying it's anybody's fault, he's just not a fit here. If this staff was here last year there's no way he would have been brought in.

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[quote=SmootSmack;733723]Well the Jets signed Howard Green, so they kind of got a former Redskins DT[/quote]

When the need arises things change. Howard Green played in twelve games for them last year.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733727]

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this [B]"it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old[/B].[/quote]


Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733727]Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.[/quote]


I don't know how you define "best", but it sure ain't AH. That is one un-inspired mo'fo right now. Truth is if you can't inspired over $21 mil in the bank, you're going to suddenly turn it on in a system that suits you and click back into Pro Bowl form? I think not. And I'm guessing most of the GMs in the NFL are thinking the same thing.

We can beat this Haynesworth drum until the cows come home, but his value has plummeted like a bad penny stock. All this talk about him being a beast, he's dominate, he's this and that. Puh-lease, give me a break.

Dominant is what dominant does.

No one cares what you did in the NFL yesterday. The NFL is all about right now.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;733746]Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.[/quote]

Imagine that, a coach running the show.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733727]Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.[/quote]

Apparently he's not committed to practicing. Bottom line is: he doesn't work hard. What kind of message would it send to the others who work harder, if they are benched in favor of AH?

In any case, he's wants to shoot gaps, not tie up blockers, and 3-4 linemen need to tie up blockers.

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[quote=Mattyk;733711]Yes they play a 3-4.[/quote]

Why would they want a guy that hates playing in 3-4 defense and is obviously not motivated to play?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;733746]Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.[/quote]


I am not saying what AH is right, at all believe me. I was one of the ship his ass out, or bench him for the rest of the contract. But, i just think this has gone way too damn far. I just think now its about making him look bad than anything else. I understand its HIS team, and I like shanny, but this seems to be more personal than anything related to his "football" ability.

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[quote=12thMan;733749]I don't know how you define "best", but it sure ain't AH. That is one un-inspired mo'fo right now. Truth is if you can't inspired over $21 mil in the bank, you're going to suddenly turn it on in a system that suits you and click back into Pro Bowl form? I think not. And I'm guessing most of the GMs in the NFL are thinking the same thing.

We can beat this Haynesworth drum until the cows come home, but his value has plummeted like a bad penny stock. All this talk about him being a beast, he's dominate, he's this and that. Puh-lease, give me a break.

Dominant is what dominant does.

No one cares what you did in the NFL yesterday. The NFL is all about right now.[/quote]

Do you think he forgot how to play football in one offseason? They guy was one of the best D-lineman in football for the past 3-4 years. He was maybe short of great for us last year (when on the field) proof is in the fact that Carter had career high in sacks, orakpo as a rookie had 11 sacks. The guy didn't forget how to play. yeah his attitude has sucked, and I was pissed just the same as everyone else. But like I said previously, he is the most talented big man up front we have, and according to MOST if not ALL of the NFL people one of the most talented in all the NFL. I just think it is more personal than anything else right now. We all know that if they put him on the end and let him play the DE position everyone would be happy. But they keep lining him up at NT just to piss him off. You can't tell me that he isn't better than Gholston, better than Adam Cariker, Better than Holliday....come on lets get real. He is better than all those dudes and you know it. They players are getting tired of all the shit too. McNabb, Cooley, Daniels, all leaders of the team are stepping up for Albert, saying they are behind him 100%. Far cry from what everyone was saying during the offseason.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733754]Apparently he's not committed to practicing. Bottom line is: he doesn't work hard. What kind of message would it send to the others who work harder, if they are benched in favor of AH?

In any case, he's wants to shoot gaps, not tie up blockers, and 3-4 linemen need to tie up blockers.[/quote]

I'll respond to all of these i guess. he is committed. We can argue this point back and forth. But he was putting in extra time with the coaches after practice learning the defense. He was putting in extra time in film. He was, according to the players, embrasing the DE postion and doing his best to learn it. I am guessing he was doing what they were asking him to do, as far as shooting the gaps because he did it over and over and over again. In my opinion, if that was wrong, he would have been pulled out rather quickly and not put back on the field. If you argue that point, then it goes against all the arguements of Shanny busting AH ass everytime he screws up.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733794]I am not saying what AH is right, at all believe me. I was one of the ship his ass out, or bench him for the rest of the contract. But, i just think this has gone way too damn far. I just think now its about making him look bad than anything else. I understand its HIS team, and I like shanny, but this seems to be more personal than anything related to his "football" ability.[/quote]

Obviously, we have no idea what is said between them, but do you remember that shot of the sideline when Haynesworth was 20 feet away from the defense? It looked liked all starters and some backups were surrounding haslett trying to understand things when they had time and Haynesworth wasn't anywhere near it.

Let's be honest: Haynesworth has not done ONE RIGHT THING to earn to get back on the field. I just don't think Shanahan has seen anything that says "let's put him out there."

Conditioning was going to be huge this year. We've heard some whispers how camp has been easy under Zorn and Shanahan wanted people to be in shape. Haynesworth messed around with that big time. Then, when he's playing against scrubs, a perfect time to dominate and show he's ready, he sluffs for the 45 out of 50 plays or whatever it was. How can you trust them?

It's like when Lavar Arrington wanted to just freelance instead of playing a defense. Great talent, but is it worth having that risk on the field? I would much rather have 11 people playing the defense as planned.

I ask you, what has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? Clinton Portis showed up, shut up, got in great shape. McNabb did the same thing. Hell, probably 95% of the team did everything that was asked of them.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733727]Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.[/quote]

I don't know man, I kinda agree with you. He may be the best DE but if he does not fit our scheme then he looks avarage. I know a lot of people are saying he lets just get rid of him or take what we can get for him but I don't see it that way. Lets say you purchased an expensive car, after the period at which you can return it you realize it does not fit your life style, do you just give it away? No, you gunna want to try and get some type of return on the thing or atleast enough to pay off the loan.

The problem is AH looks bad as a NT and we keep saying he looks awsome and does anyone want him. The rest of the league is laughing at us knowing AH's fat body can only hold up for about 6-8 plays before he gets too tired. Also we are limited as to who to trade with cause of teams using the 3-4 scheme. We have to look at which teams are using the 4-3 and hope one of them makes a play or needs a DE, otherwise we should just take him out of the NT spot and put him in at DE with Daniels. Hope he plays good enough for other teams to get interested and offer more then a 4th or 5th rounder. At this point I'd rather sit him on the bench after he took DS's 21 mill vs. trading him for nothing.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733799]I'll respond to all of these i guess. he is committed. We can argue this point back and forth. But he was putting in extra time with the coaches after practice learning the defense. He was putting in extra time in film. He was, according to the players, embrasing the DE postion and doing his best to learn it. [B]I am guessing he was doing what they were asking him to do, as far as shooting the gaps because he did it over and over and over again.[/B] In my opinion, if that was wrong, he would have been pulled out rather quickly and not put back on the field. If you argue that point, then it goes against all the arguements of Shanny busting AH ass everytime he screws up.[/quote]

thats what im interested to know. unless haslett or someone else with knowledge of the scheme speaks out, i think the fact that they left him in there is circumstantial evidence that shooting gaps was his job description.

of course, general duties of a NT is to take on blockers and not try and shoot past the center and guard.

i really wanna know the answer.

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[quote=Bushead;733803]Obviously, we have no idea what is said between them, but do you remember that shot of the sideline when Haynesworth was 20 feet away from the defense? It looked liked all starters and some backups were surrounding haslett trying to understand things when they had time and Haynesworth wasn't anywhere near it.

Let's be honest: Haynesworth has not done ONE RIGHT THING to earn to get back on the field. I just don't think Shanahan has seen anything that says "let's put him out there."

Conditioning was going to be huge this year. We've heard some whispers how camp has been easy under Zorn and Shanahan wanted people to be in shape. Haynesworth messed around with that big time. Then, when he's playing against scrubs, a perfect time to dominate and show he's ready, he sluffs for the 45 out of 50 plays or whatever it was. How can you trust them?

It's like when Lavar Arrington wanted to just freelance instead of playing a defense. Great talent, but is it worth having that risk on the field? I would much rather have 11 people playing the defense as planned.

I ask you, what has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? Clinton Portis showed up, shut up, got in great shape. McNabb did the same thing. Hell, probably 95% of the team did everything that was asked of them.[/quote]


I dont think you have read/heard the latest. That little meeting was not D-Lineman. its was LB's and DB's. You can see other D-lineman sitting on the bench, not far from where AH was standing. portis even pointed that out in an interview yesterday. They are trying to single out everything AH does right now, which is expected. What has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? some people say nothing, some people say everything they have asked him to do. Work longer after practice, longer film study, extra work in the weight room. There were some whispers going around that said a lot of the players (bigger dudes) couldn't have done that test. The fact is, i think it was made up for him to fail. So they could hummiliate him a little bit each day. He doesn't trust them, they dont trust/like him. But, here is the deal. About 2 months before training camp started he was in contact with Haslet, learning the D, doing what he needed at home. They said he would play the DE spot, which he started to become excited about. Now he is playing NT, so I would probably be a little p'd too.