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Looks like the Big Ten didn't do a damned thing really.

[url=http://btn.com/2012/07/23/big-ten-responds-to-penn-state-sanctions/]Big Ten Conference Censures Penn State « Big Ten Network[/url]

[quote]Among the penalties, the Big Ten says Penn State will not be allowed to share in the conference’s bowl revenues while it is banned from the postseason by the NCAA. Here are the conference’s additional sanctions on Penn State:

Censure: The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels—morally, ethically and potentially criminally. They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state—and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.

Probation: The Big Ten Conference will be a party to the Athletic Integrity Agreement referenced in the NCAA release, and will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance with its provisions over the 5 year term of the Agreement.

Ineligibility: As referenced in the NCAA release, Penn State’s football team will be ineligible for postseason bowl games. It will also be ineligible for Big Ten Conference Championship Games for four years, a period of time that runs concurrently with the NCAA postseason bowl ban imposed this morning.

Fine: Because Penn State will be ineligible for bowl games for the next four years, it will therefore be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years. That money, estimated to be approximately $13 million, will be donated to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.
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[quote=NC_Skins;925956]Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/post_380.html]Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano says full board wasn't advised of NCAA agreement | PennLive.com[/url][/quote]

Reading that and the comment section has me shaking my head. Amazing some people still dont get it.

When I read PSU fans call the Freeh report baseless, incomplete, baised, etc. makes think the government should clear everyone out of Happy Valley and the military should just nuke Beaver Stadium and destory the surrounding area. These people just dont seem to get it...its extremely disturbing.

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[B]Graham Gano ‏@GrahamGano

My buddy just texted me and said, "Congratulations, you just won the 2005 Orange Bowl.[/B]


I had to laugh at this tweet by Gano.

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Additional actions by the Big 10: PSU will forfiet their share of Conference Bowl Game revenues and it will be donated to charities for child abuse.

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[quote=NC_Skins;925972][B]Graham Gano ‏@GrahamGano

My buddy just texted me and said, "Congratulations, you just won the 2005 Orange Bowl.[/B]


I had to laugh at this tweet by Gano.[/quote]

That is pretty funny.

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The ball has just begun to roll.

[url=http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-sports/2012/07/23/penn-state-losing-recruits-because-of-penalties/]Penn State losing recruits because of penalties - Sports News from USA Today[/url]


Say goodbye to that #1 QB recruit.

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While we're talking about changes in State College, they need to change their uniforms now.

Paterno INSISTED on keeping the plainest-possible uniforms. No logo, no names.

That look is part of his now-destroyed legacy. The statue is down, the road names are changing, lets finish the job and update their uniforms finally. Move on.

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[IMG]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2012/writers/peter_king/07/22/mmqb/Paterno-Statue.jpg[/IMG]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8192066/graham-spanier-wants-set-record-straight-penn-state-nittany-lions-board-trustees]Graham Spanier wants to set record straight with Penn State Nittany Lions' Board of Trustees - ESPN[/url]


Hey guys, I don't recall a conversation about child molestation about one of the more prominent people in the state of Pennsylvania. Even though you have emails in which I was copied twice, this is no substantial proof that I knew anything.


This guy would make for a great politician. Full of shit till his last breath.

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Apparently the Big Ten was considering removing Penn State's membership in the conference. They just decided to take the $13million/year in Bowl money instead.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Indiana Hoosiers rip them apart on the gridiron every year from now on.

Looking over their schedule, they open with the Ohio Bobcats, a good team...not the usual cupcake opener.

Then Virginia, Navy and Temple before the Big 10 teams.

They could lose every game.

I especially want Navy to blow their doors off...a program with real role models, unlike PSU.

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Do we know if anyone beat the statue with a flip flop?

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[quote=Monkeydad;926051]Apparently the Big Ten was considering removing Penn State's membership in the conference. They just decided to take the $13million/year in Bowl money instead.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Indiana Hoosiers rip them apart on the gridiron every year from now on.

Looking over their schedule, they open with the Ohio Bobcats, a good team...not the usual cupcake opener.

Then Virginia, Navy and Temple before the Big 10 teams.

They could lose every game.

I especially want Navy to blow their doors off...a program with real role models, unlike PSU.[/quote]

I imagine they'll be competitive this year with seniors and juniors choosing to stay. It'll be the depth and the future teams that will most likely cause the PSU program to suffer. Not like PSU was that great to begin with. Over the past decade, I think they've average 8 wins a season? Pretty mediocre if you ask me.

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[quote=firstdown;926052]Do we know if anyone beat the statue with a flip flop?[/quote]

Someone on the local talk radio station just suggested the melt the bronze statue down into some kind of commemorative coins and sell them with the profits going to charity since a lot of people would want a piece of that statue.

Sounds OK aside from the sick part about selling that statue to the twisted Paterno-worshippers, even if they money will do good.

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[quote=Monkeydad;926066]Sounds OK aside from the sick part about selling that statue to the twisted Paterno-worshippers, even if they money will do good.[/quote]

My preccciooouss!!

[IMG]http://www.tejaswy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/gollum.jpg[/IMG]

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Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


[url=http://deadspin.com/5928385/i-hope-u-all-****in-die-and-other-reasoned-measured-responses-to-the-ncaas-penn-state-punishment]"I HOPE U ALL FUCKIN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment[/url]


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)

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[quote=Monkeydad;925935]Additionally, How exactly is vacating wins in any way related to, or an appropriate punishment for OFF-FIELD issues?

The former players will still tell their grandkids about the games they won and the Bowl games they went to.

Suddenly, we just pretend those games and wins didn't happen?

This "punishment", specifically this part is a joke. It doesn't make any sense. The players earned those wins. They should be not punished. Rewriting history won't affect anyone or help the guilty realize what they've done wrong. You think the Board of Directors, the Athletic department Graham Spanier and Sandusky's wife care that when they search the team's W-L record online, it will look different? You think they care about no Bowls for 4 years? They may care if the program was shut down...along with their income.


I wanted the football program to be killed...at least for 14 years, how long they covered up the rapes. Then we get the cries "why punish the current players, they didn't do anything wrong!" True, but we're punishing the football PROGRAM. The AD, the board, the coaches...and everyone who put the public relations and income of the football program above these kids, including the fans who still won't admit anything happened. The players can transfer and play right away. If they still want a crappy PSU degree, they can stay there for the academics.


Other than lost money, the football program literally just got away with rape, at least from the NCAA.[/quote]The players are not being punished by the vacated wins. They've moved on. The players still have their memories of playing, achievements during that game. They aren't being affected at all by those "W"s being turned into "L"s.

I think the Penn State wins were vacated for one reason. To not let Joe Paterno be the winningest coach in major college football, in part by covering up what Sandusky was doing. [URL="http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/joe_paterno_no_longer_the_most.html"]LINK[/URL]

[U]With the NCAA sanctions eliminating 111 wins from Penn State between 1998 and 2011, Joe Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in major college football -- a title he received just 10 days before he was fired in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

Paterno, with 298 wins, is now below Florida State's Bobby Bowden, Alabama's Bear Bryant, Glenn Warner and several others. Paterno is now 12th on the list of all coaches in all football divisions.[/U]

The punishment fits the crime. Paterno helped cover Sandusky's crimes to protect the football program. Those wins should be taken away.

As to the current Penn State players, they can transfer without penalty. Yes it still sucks for them. They trusted Penn State. At least they weren't treated as bad as kids that also trusted Penn State, though the current (and later former) assistant coach allowed to bring the kids on campus for his aims. That's where the focus should be, about who was hurt most by trusting Penn State.

I agree the football program and administrators haven't been punished enough.

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[quote=NC_Skins;926104]Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


[url=http://deadspin.com/5928385/i-hope-u-all-****in-die-and-other-reasoned-measured-responses-to-the-ncaas-penn-state-punishment]"I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment[/url]


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)[/quote]

All i can say is Penn State has some dumb students and some even dumber fans. Nobody in their right mind right now would offer these guys one ounce of support. The NCAA had to do what they did. Facts are facts. F Joe Paterno, may he eternally rot in h*ll along with Jerry Sandusky.

Feel bad for the innocent people who were there just trying to get an education but i have a real issue with anyone who is protesting the NCAA's decision or the school's decision to remove the Joe Paterno statue.

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[quote=NC_Skins;926104]Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


[url=http://deadspin.com/5928385/i-hope-u-all-****in-die-and-other-reasoned-measured-responses-to-the-ncaas-penn-state-punishment]"I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment[/url]


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)[/quote]

THE NCAA IS A BUNCH OF ****IN FAGGOT ASS BITCHES THOSE ARE ****IN JOES WINS U ****IN **** BAG ASSHOLE FAGS I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE

Lol. To steal a line from Ron Burgundy, you stay classy (Penn State). This will obviously help solidify our opinion of them.

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While obviously there needed to be a heavy penalty, I feel sorry for the players over this 14 year period that now suddenly never happened according to the record book. Some players are rightfully pissed off that the blood and sweat they gave up for the university and subsequently the NCAA to make millions of dollars, now meant nothing because of the faults of a handful of people. Punishing those not involved just doesn't seem fair whatsoever. Just alter the record book in regards to JP. I truly feel sorry for the poor boys who had their lives forever changed by a monster and those who didn't fight hard enough for the right thing to be done, but these other boys shouldn't be punished as well. This whole situation sucks and there was never going to be a "right way" for this to get made right.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;926125]While obviously there needed to be a heavy penalty, I feel sorry for the players over this 14 year period that now suddenly never happened according to the record book. Some players are rightfully pissed off that the blood and sweat they gave up for the university and subsequently the NCAA to make millions of dollars, now meant nothing because of the faults of a handful of people. Punishing those not involved just doesn't seem fair whatsoever. Just alter the record book in regards to JP. I truly feel sorry for the poor boys who had their lives forever changed by a monster and those who didn't fight hard enough for the right thing to be done, but these other boys shouldn't be punished as well. This whole situation sucks and there was never going to be a "right way" for this to get made right.[/quote]How does changing the records affect those past players, now?

Besides it's really not punitive to take those wins away. Pedo State University football recruiting benefited from Sandusky being illegally protected. Therefore PSU does not deserve those wins.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;926125]While obviously there needed to be a heavy penalty, I feel sorry for the players over this 14 year period that now suddenly never happened according to the record book. Some players are rightfully pissed off that the blood and sweat they gave up for the university and subsequently the NCAA to make millions of dollars, now meant nothing because of the faults of a handful of people. Punishing those not involved just doesn't seem fair whatsoever. Just alter the record book in regards to JP. I truly feel sorry for the poor boys who had their lives forever changed by a monster and those who didn't fight hard enough for the right thing to be done, but these other boys shouldn't be punished as well. This whole situation sucks and there was never going to be a "right way" for this to get made right.[/quote]

I was thinking about this last night. And, it may be quite a leap, but with all of this happening right in the Penn State locker room and at team facilities I can't really shake the thought that McQueary couldn't have been the only player to see any unusual behavior. My guess is there may be others who kept their mouth shut.

All that said, I don't really have a problem with the wins being vacated. Has happened to other schools for much less

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I agree they might have killed the program but if I'm the board....ban football for at least 5 years a Penn State.


The amount of regular students leaving is also an issue,students leaving becuase the degree will now have a stigma attached to it.

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[quote=Giantone;926318]I agree they might have killed the program but if I'm the board....ban football for at least 5 years a Penn State.


The amount of regular students leaving is also an issue,students leaving becuase the degree will now have a stigma attached to it.[/quote]

Plus, the tailgating parties won't be as big. Yes, that's something PSU fans are worried about now, I work with plenty of them. The whole Saturday ritual of making a whole day out of the game experience has a damper on it now that they know they're going to lose, the opponents are going to be extra-motivated to destroy the Lions on the field and their idol is no longer walking the sidelines (or coaching from a booth when he can't walk).

It's sickening how upset they are over the football team...never mentioning the victims or even acknowledging their school did something horrible. The fans are acting like the victims, like they've been unfairly targeted by the legal system and NCAA out of nowhere on some made-up charges. I know what happened is unbelievable, but the fact that they don't believe it is disturbing.

Penn State jacked up the price of season tickets from about $100/game to $300 and $400 for the best seats a year or two ago. The fans were already complaining about that but since "WE ARE PENN STATE" they bit the bullet and paid up. Now that they'll be a perrennial 3-win team if they're lucky, do you still expect 80,000 seats to be full? I'm expecting a LOT of empty seats. Maybe not this season because they'll emotionally rally around the team...but at that price, when they see the level of play by their team...they won't continue to pay. Some of the insanely-obsessed will, but most won't.

I've been mockingly chanting "WE WERE...PENN STATE!" since the NCAA hammer came down.

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Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

[url=http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/]Penn State Sanctions: Grads React | WNEP.com — Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazleton[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;926425]Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

[url=http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/]Penn State Sanctions: Grads React | WNEP.com — Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazleton[/url][/quote]

This deserves a double

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[quote=SmootSmack;926425]Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

[url=http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/]Penn State Sanctions: Grads React | WNEP.com — Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazleton[/url][/quote]

Some people just need serious help and dont think they fully understand what happened. Children were raped by a high ranking football official. He was allowed to rape time and time again by the school's leadership.

The Penn State apologists' reactions have been jaw dropping this week. I will never forget what Ive heard from people calling in from Pennsylvania to sports radio and what I've read in print. Those twitter postings were vile. Its like these people are blind and could careless about the victims. I really cant believe it.

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[quote=Mattyk;926428]This deserves a double

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I felt you needed to add a few onto that.

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[quote=Mattyk;926428]This deserves a double

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If ignorance is bliss,they must be in heaven!

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[quote=SmootSmack;926425]Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

[url=http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/]Penn State Sanctions: Grads React | WNEP.com — Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazleton[/url][/quote]The links earlier were certainly worse than this.

Giantone had the right idea on this one. The NCAA should ban Penn State football for 5 years. Effective immediately. Not just because of past actions by Penn State administrators, coaches, and staff. But equally because of CURRENT actions of Penn State from the Board of Trustees at just about every level down to students, alum, and fans.

No Penn State football for five years. Wipe the slate clean, of this sick "football above all else" culture there.

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2012-07-25/penn-state-made-deal-to-avoid-four-year-death-penalty/56491310/1]Penn State president: Program faced multiyear shutdown – USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=HailGreen28;926534]The links earlier were certainly worse than this.

Giantone had the right idea on this one. The NCAA should ban Penn State football for 5 years. Effective immediately. Not just because of past actions by Penn State administrators, coaches, and staff. But equally because of CURRENT actions of Penn State from the Board of Trustees at just about every level down to students, alum, and fans.

No Penn State football for five years. Wipe the slate clean, of this sick "football above all else" culture there.[/quote]


Exactly my thoughts, especially the last paragraph.

Although I'd be more for a 14-year hiatus...matching the KNOWN length of the cover-up. If we find it went further back than 1998, extend that break. If PSU really wants to show they're more concerned about the victims than football, I think not having football for a while would be appropriate. Even with their dismantled teams, the fans and school are still going to put their football team first. PSU fandom is a disease.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;926684]Exactly my thoughts, especially the last paragraph.

Although I'd be more for a 14-year hiatus...matching the KNOWN length of the cover-up. If we find it went further back than 1998, extend that break. If PSU really wants to show they're more concerned about the victims than football, I think not having football for a while would be appropriate. Even with their dismantled teams, the fans and school are still going to put their football team first. PSU fandom is a disease.[/QUOTE]

While I agree, I think you are underestimating the impact these punishments will have on the next breed of PSU fans/football players. The older diehards will remain, but you need to keep the supply coming. Sure their kids may be fans, but after the team suffers for a decade, why would the next decade support the team as much? Younger HS players rarely care about loyality, especially if it means associated yourself with a tarnished name.

I have several good friends and family that went to PSU so I know exactly what you are talking about, but I guess I just feel the impact will be a bit more than a slap on the wrist.

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The football program, from top to bottom, maybe even including players since some of this happened in the team locker room, all covered up Sandusky's sins. The football program was punished as it should have been.

Of course fans and current players will be impacted by ANY punishment to the football program. You can't avoid that and shouldn't consider it when taking appropriate disciplinary actions against the guilty party...the football program.

I'm sick of the fans, students, media and anyone else whining about "punishing innocent people". The football program did this and the football program was punished. Any collateral damage...too bad, it could not be avoided.

These crybabies should consider themselves lucky that they'll have ANY games to see this year.[B]


Breaking news: The "boy in the shower" just came forward and said he's suing Penn State and he has voicemails recorded from Sandusky "confessing his love" for the boy.

At least we know he is still alive, unlike the DA who was investigating him.[/B]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240385/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-file-appeal-federal-lawsuit-denial]Penn State Nittany Lions -- Trustees to file appeal, federal lawsuit upon denial - ESPN[/url]


These new BoT assholes the alumni have voted in are pathetic. At this point, I wouldn't care if they carpet bombed the place into oblivion.

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I decided to redesign PSU's football uniforms for them.

[img]http://oi49.tinypic.com/5kj1gp.jpg[/img]

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[quote=SmootSmack;926425]Um...I mean, there's got to be a better way to put it, isn't there?

[url=http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/]Penn State Sanctions: Grads React | WNEP.com — Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazleton[/url][/quote]

[IMG]http://gfx.quakeworld.nu/files/327.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;928891][url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240385/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-file-appeal-federal-lawsuit-denial]Penn State Nittany Lions -- Trustees to file appeal, federal lawsuit upon denial - ESPN[/url]


These new BoT assholes the alumni have voted in are pathetic. At this point, I wouldn't care if they carpet bombed the place into oblivion.[/quote]

typical, let sh*t calm down and then we will fight it tooth and nail.

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[quote=Chico23231;929360]typical, let sh*t calm down and then we will fight it tooth and nail.[/quote]Well, if a representative of Penn State accepted the deal, to save Penn State from a multi-year death penalty. Then Penn state reneges on the deal...

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;929383]Well, if a representative of Penn State accepted the deal, to save Penn State from a multi-year death penalty. Then Penn state reneges on the deal...[/QUOTE]

My thought exactly.
Ban'em.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;929455]My thought exactly.
Ban'em.[/quote]



.....again I believe this should have been done from the start,the death penalty.We have one of these idiots at work ,a manger graduated 4th in his class at PSU...and still thinks they are being picked on.The death penalty will stop this ,no games , no tailgating....etc.