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[quote=T.O.Killa;867256]Did anyone ever confirm that Mat Kalil is staying at USC?[/quote]

I thought there was a recent quote saying he wasn't even close to a decision. Why so concerned about kalil? Worried Barkley stays too?

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[quote=mbedner3420;867258]I thought there was a recent quote saying he wasn't even close to a decision. Why so concerned about kalil? Worried Barkley stays too?[/quote]
Supposedly, there decision is linked.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;867256]Did anyone ever confirm that Mat Kalil is staying at USC?[/quote]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/33752962]Source: OT Matt Kalil "set to return" to USC - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;867257]Technically they can't do anything more than watch his games since he's not a senior and hasn't declared so the scouting of him is limited.

And Kalil hasn't made any decision yet[/quote]

Ah gotchya. Still though, they don't send scouts to the games?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;867261][url=http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/33752962]Source: OT Matt Kalil "set to return" to USC - CBSSports.com[/url][/quote]

That was apparently a false report...

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[quote=T.O.Killa;867260]Supposedly, there decision is linked.[/quote]

I thought I heard something about that. Didn't realize it was a definite.

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[quote=mbedner3420;867262]Ah gotchya. Still though, they don't send scouts to the games?[/quote]

I'm sure they do. But that's only a small portion of the scouting process

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Really interesting article about the redskins scouting staff and the delegation of power, for anyone interested in a good read.

[URL="http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/under-mike-shanahan-redskins-roster-could-benefit-from-more-delegation-better-scouting-infrastructure-nfl-observers-say/2011/12/09/gIQAQ6BalO_story.html"]http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/under-mike-shanahan-redskins-roster-could-benefit-from-more-delegation-better-scouting-infrastructure-nfl-observers-say/2011/12/09/gIQAQ6BalO_story.html[/URL]

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[quote=SmootSmack;866742]I still don't think it'll be either of those guys. I think the name you're going to hear a lot of next April in connection with the Skins is Tannehill[/quote]

Why?

[QUOTE=The Goat;867299]Why?[/QUOTE]

Why would they pick him or why do I think it'll be him?

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Only a matter of time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867318]Why would they pick him or why do I think it'll be him?[/quote]

Both. Assuming we pick in the 4 to 7 range and one of Luck, Barkley or RGIII is available why take a project QB?

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[quote=The Goat;867388]Both. Assuming we pick in the 4 to 7 range and one of Luck, Barkley or RGIII is available why take a project QB?[/quote]

Well let's take Luck off. Now it's just Barkley or RGIII.

Here are the various reasons for my thinking. Tannehill, contrary to popular belief, wasn't a WR converted to QB. He was a QB coming into A&M, who played some WR before starting at QB. I think the combine and workouts will increase RT's value (and may drop RGIIIs a bit actually). Tannehill is a more unlikely choice, which fits a bit of the Mike Shanahan mold. Plus there is the Mike Sherman-Kyle Shanahan connection from their days with the Texans. And I also have a feeling still that our first first round pick won't be a QB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867395]Well let's take Luck off. Now it's just Barkley or RGIII.

Here are the various reasons for my thinking. Tannehill, contrary to popular belief, wasn't a WR converted to QB. He was a QB coming into A&M, who played some WR before starting at QB. I think the combine and workouts will increase RT's value (and may drop RGIIIs a bit actually). Tannehill is a more unlikely choice, which fits a bit of the Mike Shanahan mold. Plus there is the Mike Sherman-Kyle Shanahan connection from their days with the Texans. [B]And I also have a feeling still that our first first round pick won't be a QB.[/quote][/B]

Something you've said a couple/few times now. Have no idea what to say except I hope you're wrong on this one.

...actually, I'd say not drafting the best QB w/ our first pick would reflect Mike's supreme arrogance and ego. The fact there's even a chance of this happening (which I acknowledge) should be enough reason to bring in a new regime.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867395]Well let's take Luck off. Now it's just Barkley or RGIII.

Here are the various reasons for my thinking. Tannehill, contrary to popular belief, wasn't a WR converted to QB. He was a QB coming into A&M, who played some WR before starting at QB. I think the combine and workouts will increase RT's value (and may drop RGIIIs a bit actually). Tannehill is a more unlikely choice, which fits a bit of the Mike Shanahan mold. Plus there is the Mike Sherman-Kyle Shanahan connection from their days with the Texans. And I also have a feeling still that our first first round pick won't be a QB.[/quote]

Is that feeling backed up any inside knowledge? I can possibly see us trade back a bit (perhaps with the browns), draft a true number one WR and pick up tannehill in the second. I'd still rather we take Barkley with the first pick... I'm tired of mediocre QB play.

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[quote=The Goat;867402][/B]

Something you've said a couple/few times now. Have no idea what to say except I hope you're wrong on this one.

...actually, I'd say not drafting the best QB w/ our first pick would reflect Mike's supreme arrogance and ego. The fact there's even a chance of this happening (which I acknowledge) should be enough reason to bring in a new regime.[/quote]

Well I guess it's terrible if you think the gap between Barkley/RGIII (let's assume they're both available) and let's say Tannehill and Jonathan Martin is significant.

Personally, I think if Barkley is there we should take him and not even hesitate. RG III I still have some doubts about. But I'm just telling you what I think may happen. It's an informed guess.

Just remember, it's only December

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[quote=SmootSmack;867395]Well let's take Luck off. Now it's just Barkley or RGIII.

Here are the various reasons for my thinking. Tannehill, contrary to popular belief, wasn't a WR converted to QB. He was a QB coming into A&M, who played some WR before starting at QB. I think the combine and workouts will increase RT's value (and may drop RGIIIs a bit actually). Tannehill is a more unlikely choice, which fits a bit of the Mike Shanahan mold. Plus there is the Mike Sherman-Kyle Shanahan connection from their days with the Texans. And I also have a feeling still that our first first round pick won't be a QB.[/quote]

I would be ok w/ sliding down in the draft again or drafting a non qb in the first round as long as we got "our guy" later. It's just a gamble that I don't know is worth playing.

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As good as this class is, and it may be historically great, there's no one in the draft who is a quarterback solution on draft day. There is no question that the Redskins need fresh blood at quarterback in 2012. They needed fresh blood in 2010 and in 2011 as well. The youngest QB on the roster heading into 2010 was 28. In 2011 the youngest QB heading into the offseason was 29.

When Zorn was the coach here, we had younger QB prospects in Jason Campbell under age 27, and Chase Daniel (and to a lesser extent, 26 year old Colt Brennan). So obviously the need to find a younger quarterback is reaching a critical level which we haven't had in Washington.

But no one in this draft is going to solve the QB problem the day they walk in the door. The biggest issue the Shanahan's have to overcome is that kids are not walking out of college knowing how to execute their offense the way they want it executed at a pro level. I understand that Luck, Barkley, and Tannehill all play in a multiple WCO where the terminology and concepts will be similar to what Kyle Shanahan wants to run. But no one (except maybe Luck) has actually succeeded to move the ball, score, and win games in college actually doing the things that Kyle Shanahan is going to do with them here.

If the system remains really rigid as it is now, the Redskins are better out going and finding a veteran to run this offense who has experience winning games the way the Redskins want to win them. I see no point of drafting a QB in the first round if the Redskins are going to maintain their current ways. If they want to change coaches to someone with a track record of QB development in the last, oh, lets say four NFL drafts, then great. Bill Musgrave and Rob Chudzynski probably deserve the promotion. If the Redskins are willing to meet in the middle, well, I'm not sure if Kyle Shanahan knows how to accomplish this, but in that case, I think they could win right away.

My biggest problem with the Redskins and Tannehill is not the player, but if that's who the Redskins end up targeting, it suggests they are going to stay inside the same thinking box that has put this organization where he is now. He knows this system. And he's used to playing for a coaching staff that gets outcoached in the Big XII. He'll be great here.

As silly as it sounds to the traditionalist, I like Tannehill a lot more in a different system with different coaches than I do with him running what he has at Texas A&M in the pros. We've seen that struggle to beat even mediocre opponents already. Might as well go get David Garrard or Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton.

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What about Nick Foles? He's seems to be just as good as Barkley if not better.

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[quote=skinsfan69;867435]What about Nick Foles? He's seems to be just as good as Barkley if not better.[/quote]

I think he's probably in the later first round/high second round category

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[quote=SmootSmack;867395]Well let's take Luck off. Now it's just Barkley or RGIII.

Here are the various reasons for my thinking. Tannehill, contrary to popular belief, wasn't a WR converted to QB. He was a QB coming into A&M, who played some WR before starting at QB. I think the combine and workouts will increase RT's value (and may drop RGIIIs a bit actually). Tannehill is a more unlikely choice, which fits a bit of the Mike Shanahan mold. Plus there is the Mike Sherman-Kyle Shanahan connection from their days with the Texans. And I also have a feeling still that our first first round pick won't be a QB.[/quote]

So you think it will be Blackmon, Claiborne, Richardson, or Jeffery? I find it hard to believe that if we picked top 5 Shanny would pass on Barkley and RGIII if we had our pick of the two.

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[quote=skinsfan69;867435]What about Nick Foles? He's seems to be just as good as Barkley if not better.[/quote]I think so. Barkley is a lot more polished as a player, but I think he's significantly less talented. I'd feel a lot better on draft day about a high pick on Foles than a high pick on Barkley.

With that said, my expectations in the NFL for Foles aren't any higher than those for Barkley, I just think Foles needs to be managed significantly less earlier in his career. He can clearly create outside the pocket, but movement in the pocket is so important in the modern game, and that's something Nick Foles has yet to master. With Barkley, that pocket presence is a non-issue.

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#1- I too hope the team drafts a QB in the 1st round. One who is more accurate and more mobile and has speed or is evasive.

#2- I just have not been getting the feeling the coaching staff cares where they fall in the draft and what QB's might be available to them.

#3- We have had 2-3 weeks of this team battling hard, showing emotion, "almost" winning the games, tough games, and I sit back wondering although they are not outwardly showing they want to lose in order to pick up the next best QB, is there a posibility the coaching staff is finding a way to sabotage the games through play calling? I think ... ok your just being an idiot thinking like that, but the team plays as well as they have during the whole game then either it's the 4th quarter or last 5 min. it all goes to hell in a hand basket.

But all in all this is year 2 for the Shanahan's. The defense took a major step in the off season, and the offense even though it's not the starters has almost looked better these last 2-3 games with creating holes for the RB and pass protection.

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm almost seeing the end of the tunnel and we have fans here shouting ...."Perhaps a change at HC is needed". Continuity, continuity, continuity. This team is starting to play better and actually look better because they have been in the same system for 2 yrs. Now lets see what they look like year 3 and 4. Although a loss, I was excited after yesterdays game because NE didn't sit their starters, they played to win the game and the Skins believe it or not played toe to toe with them. Not many other teams this year can say that. More would say they got blown out.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867438]So you think it will be Blackmon, Claiborne, Richardson, or Jeffery? I find it hard to believe that if we picked top 5 Shanny would pass on Barkley and RGIII if we had our pick of the two.[/quote]Shanahan does show a pretty extreme tendency against underclassmen though. Jarvis Moss and Ryan Clady both came out early and were first round picks by Shanahan, but you can almost be assured that the top of the Redskins board will be littered with seniors.

Basically, if there's a reason to believe that Barkley or Griffin won't be high on the Redskins board, it's because of precedent. With that said, I find it hard to believe if the Redskins pick in the top three, that neither Barkley or Griffin will be on their radar. Griffin in particularly seems like the kind of player that NFL scouts will fall in love with during the predraft process. And he's only kind of sort of an underclassman.

But it's also possible that the Rams will decide that RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread and take him, even though they don't exactly need a young QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;867445]Shanahan does show a pretty extreme tendency against underclassmen though. Jarvis Moss and Ryan Clady both came out early and were first round picks by Shanahan, but you can almost be assured that the top of the Redskins board will be littered with seniors.

Basically, if there's a reason to believe that Barkley or Griffin won't be high on the Redskins board, it's because of precedent. With that said, I find it hard to believe if the Redskins pick in the top three, that neither Barkley or Griffin will be on their radar. Griffin in particularly seems like the kind of player that NFL scouts will fall in love with during the predraft process. And he's only kind of sort of an underclassman.

But it's also possible that the Rams will decide that RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread and take him, even though they don't exactly need a young QB.[/quote]

So GTripp and SmootSmack, With the 5th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867451]So GTripp and SmootSmack, With the 5th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:[/quote]

I know I was not asked but I think they will pick a position of major need. It all depends on what they do in FA. Our needs

QB
OL
FS
CB
WR (atleast 1 more)

On a side note... was it 88 that made a TD yesterday? was that Anderson? for some reason I thought the announcers said Robinson but holey cow. So WR wise we have...

Moss
Hankerson
AA
Gaffney
Stallworth- stepped up the last 2 games
Anderson

All making plays. No Banks other then the trick play and no Austin.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867451]So GTripp and SmootSmack, With the 5th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:[/quote]If Matt Barkley doesn't come out, then I think Robert Griffin is gone by no. 5, and then I think Janoris Jenkins is the pick.

I think if Matt Barkley comes out, three quarterbacks get taken in the top five, and that makes Robert Griffin the Redskins pick.

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I'll point out that we cannot pick as far down the draft as no. 5 unless we win again. If the Redskins lose their last three games, they will pick fourth or higher.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867451]So GTripp and SmootSmack, With the 5th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:[/quote]

Umm....let's say Riley Reiff. Why not?

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[quote=GTripp0012;867454]If Matt Barkley doesn't come out, then I think Robert Griffin is gone by no. 5, and then I think Janoris Jenkins is the pick.

I think if Matt Barkley comes out, three quarterbacks get taken in the top five, and that makes Robert Griffin the Redskins pick.[/quote]

So you take Janoris Jenkins over Morris Claiborne? And I think we will win one more game.

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[quote=SBXVII;867453]I know I was not asked but I think they will pick a position of major need. It all depends on what they do in FA. Our needs

QB
OL
FS
CB
WR (atleast 1 more)

On a side note... was it 88 that made a TD yesterday? was that Anderson? for some reason I thought the announcers said Robinson but holey cow. So WR wise we have...

Moss
Hankerson
AA
Gaffney
Stallworth- stepped up the last 2 games
Anderson

All making plays. No Banks other then the trick play and no Austin.[/quote]

Gotta give me a name SB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867457]Umm....let's say Riley Reiff. Why not?[/quote]

Love that name but interesting, in my latest mock I had him going to Philly over Burflict

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TL;DR. Anyone mention this yet?

@slmandel Robert Griffin III is "fully expected" to declare for the 2012 NFL Draft: bit.ly/tYHGvP
5 Dec Favorite Retweet Reply

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867458]So you take Janoris Jenkins over Morris Claiborne? And I think we will win one more game.[/quote]Janoris Jenkins is the Patrick Peterson of this draft. And there's nothing wrong with Morris Claiborne. But you know the Shanahan underclassman thing applies to him too. I see no reason he won't be incredibly highly rated on the Redskins board, but this is the 5th overall pick we're talking about.

And yeah, the Redskins are going to win again this year. I'm just not sure the fanbase is prepared for it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867437]I think he's probably in the later first round/high second round category[/quote]

He kind of reminds me of Jay Cutler.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;867476]TL;DR. Anyone mention this yet?

@slmandel Robert Griffin III is "fully expected" to declare for the 2012 NFL Draft: bit.ly/tYHGvP
5 Dec Favorite Retweet Reply[/quote]

This is phenomenal news. Now, someone needs to put a gun to Barkley's head until he declares (figuratively of course).

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[quote=GTripp0012;867478]Janoris Jenkins is the Patrick Peterson of this draft. And there's nothing wrong with Morris Claiborne. But you know the Shanahan underclassman thing applies to him too. I see no reason he won't be incredibly highly rated on the Redskins board, but this is the 5th overall pick we're talking about.

And yeah, the Redskins are going to win again this year. I'm just not sure the fanbase is prepared for it.[/quote]

Interesting insight. I have Claiborne as the top CB and I see him being there at number 5 also I think Claiborne is a better "cover" guy than Peterson was coming out.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867459]Gotta give me a name SB.[/quote]

What I'd like to see and is seen on some mock draft boards is:

Barkley

What I could see happening if we lose draft position if we win another game or two?

Whoever is the best CB or best WR.

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[quote=GTripp0012;867478]Janoris Jenkins is the Patrick Peterson of this draft. And there's nothing wrong with Morris Claiborne. But you know the Shanahan underclassman thing applies to him too. I see no reason he won't be incredibly highly rated on the Redskins board, but this is the 5th overall pick we're talking about.

And yeah, the Redskins are going to win again this year. I'm just not sure the fanbase is prepared for it.[/quote]

Janoris is another pothead. Sure, go get him. The dude has a rap sheet.

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Good read on why RG3 won't be our QB.. And yes, I read it this time :)

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/12/12/2630194/why-rg3-doesnt-fit-in-dc?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews]Why RG3 Won't Be Shanahan's Choice - Hogs Haven[/url]