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The great thing about this year is that the FA WR class is so deep and the draft WR class is deep. Ben Grubbs would be my main FA on OL and Dwayne Bowe as far as WRs go. We get them both trading 3 picks away for RGIII doesn't seem so bad now does it?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;885948][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/15/mayock-luck-is-great-but-not-a-once-in-a-lifetime/]Mayock: Luck is great, but not a “once in a lifetime” prospect | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

This made me laugh "Don’t forget this is the clown that said he’d choose Gabbert over Newton."

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[quote=NM Redskin;885990]This made me laugh "Don’t forget this is the clown that said he’d choose Gabbert over Newton."[/quote]

And he had a serious man crush on JaMarcus Russell. Then again I remember him being high on Matt Ryan when a lot of people were more luke warm.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;885994]And he had a serious man crush on JaMarcus Russell. Then again I remember him being high on Matt Ryan when a lot of people were more luke warm.[/quote]

I guess the jury is still out on Gabbert too.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;885994]And he had a serious man crush on JaMarcus Russell. Then again I remember him being high on Matt Ryan when a lot of people were more luke warm.[/quote]

Well what exactly has he done in the NFL? 0 playoff wins...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;885948][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/15/mayock-luck-is-great-but-not-a-once-in-a-lifetime/"]Mayock: Luck is great, but not a “once in a lifetime” prospect | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Mayock is so far up RGIII back side anyone else is just a turd.

News flash RGIII is not a once in a life time prospect either.

Vick
Cunningham
McNair
McNabb
Moon
Culpepper
Newton

[QUOTE=SBXVII;886115]Mayock is so far up RGIII back side anyone else is just a turd.

News flash RGIII is not a once in a life time prospect either.

Vick
Cunningham
McNair
McNabb
Moon
Culpepper
Newton[/QUOTE]

Moon and mcnabb were pretty dang good as was mcnair. I'd say cam was worth the 1st pick but I think he's better than RGIII

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[quote=SkinzWin;886030]Well what exactly has he done in the NFL? 0 playoff wins...[/quote]

I seem to remember complaints like that about another prominent QB early in his career. I forget his name though. It was like Paton Tanning or something like that. Took him like 5 games before he got a win in the postseason.

1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2002 (0-1), 2003 (2-1), 2004 (1-1), 2005 (0-1), 2006 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1), 2009 (2-1), 2010 (0-1)

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;886124]I seem to remember complaints like that about another prominent QB early in his career. I forget his name though. It was like Paton Tanning or something like that. Took him like 5 games before he got a win in the postseason.



1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2002 (0-1), 2003 (2-1), 2004 (1-1), 2005 (0-1), 2006 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1), 2009 (2-1), 2010 (0-1)[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, who can forget the great Paton Tanning. Seems like no one really talks about him anymore.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886124]I seem to remember complaints like that about another prominent QB early in his career. I forget his name though. It was like Paton Tanning or something like that. Took him like 5 games before he got a win in the postseason.

1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2002 (0-1), 2003 (2-1), 2004 (1-1), 2005 (0-1), 2006 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1), 2009 (2-1), 2010 (0-1)[/quote]

atty MIce is no Paton Tanning.

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[quote=SkinzWin;886151]atty MIce is no Paton Tanning.[/quote]

Point being don't be so quick to declare him a failure. If he was 30 something and still hadn't won a playoff game after multiple trips to the postseason then fine you would have a point but given he's in year 4, well it's like celebrating after ending the first quarter with a lead.

Also lets review who defeated Matt Ryan in the playoffs over the course of these last 4 years.

2011: Giants - Super Bowl Champs
2010: Packers - Super Bowl Champs
2008: Cardinals - Super Bowl Representative for the NFC

It's not like he's loosing to teams that are loosing a week later.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886124]I seem to remember complaints like that about another prominent QB early in his career. I forget his name though. It was like Paton Tanning or something like that. Took him like 5 games before he got a win in the postseason.

1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2002 (0-1), 2003 (2-1), 2004 (1-1), 2005 (0-1), 2006 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1), 2009 (2-1), 2010 (0-1)[/quote]

He's a choker in the playoffs. Took a colossal collapse by the Pats for him to get to his first super bowl.

He's no John Grady that's for sure.

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[quote=SBXVII;886115]Mayock is so far up RGIII back side anyone else is just a turd.

News flash RGIII is not a once in a life time prospect either.

Vick
Cunningham
McNair
McNabb
[B]Moon[/B]
Culpepper
[I][U]Newton[/U][/I][/quote]

[B]Hall of Famer[/B]

[I][U]Record-setting Rookie of the Year[/U][/I]

Also:

McNair was a perennial playoff QB who was within 1 yard of being a SB Champion.

Cunningham led the 2nd most prolific offense in NFL history (1998 Vikings)

McNabb is probably going to the HOF at some point.....blah

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[quote=Son Of Man;886196][B]Hall of Famer[/B]

[I][U]Record-setting Rookie of the Year[/U][/I]

Also:

McNair was a perennial playoff QB who was with 1 yard of being a SB Champion.

Cunningham led the 2nd most prolific offense in NFL history (1998 Vikings)

McNabb is probably going to the HOF at some point.....blah[/quote]don't forget that culpepper once threw it 82 yards with no pads on

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[quote=SBXVII;886115]Mayock is so far up RGIII back side anyone else is just a turd.

News flash RGIII is not a once in a life time prospect either.

Vick
Cunningham
McNair
McNabb
Moon
Culpepper
Newton[/quote]

What a curious list.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886226]What a curious list.[/quote]

Funny how Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Tim Tebow were left off...if the point was to show mobile QB's.

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[quote=Son Of Man;886232]Funny how Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Tim Tebow were left off...if the point was to show mobile QB's.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886160][B]Point being don't be so quick to declare him a failure. [/B]If he was 30 something and still hadn't won a playoff game after multiple trips to the postseason then fine you would have a point but given he's in year 4, well it's like celebrating after ending the first quarter with a lead.

Also lets review who defeated Matt Ryan in the playoffs over the course of these last 4 years.

2011: Giants - Super Bowl Champs
2010: Packers - Super Bowl Champs
2008: Cardinals - Super Bowl Representative for the NFC

[B]It's not like he's loosing to teams that are loosing a week late[/B]r.[/quote]

Did I strike a nerve Matt Ryan's mom?!

1. Don't put words in my mouth, I did not call him a failure. I simply asked what has he done in the playoffs? Nothing so far.
2. Loosing is most likely a form of loosening which means to decrease constrictions of something that is tight. Losing would be the correct word used to determine something that has not won.
3. In order to be the best you have to beat the best. All the teams in the playoffs are good, that's why they are there in the first place. Just because those teams went deep into the playoffs means you can say, "It's okay Matt Ryan, you are off the hook. You could have been fine if you just hadn't played that Super Bowl winner in the first round."? No.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11237/matt-ryan]Matt Ryan Stats - Atlanta Falcons - ESPN[/url]

Ryan has 94 Tds to 45 Ints

Great home record and career 90 Passer rating and hes a bust?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886241][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11237/matt-ryan]Matt Ryan Stats - Atlanta Falcons - ESPN[/url]

Ryan has 94 Tds to 45 Ints

Great home record and career 90 Passer rating and hes a bust?[/quote]

Who said he was a bust? Not me. I simply said what did he do in the PLAYOFFS. N-A-D-A...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886241][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11237/matt-ryan]Matt Ryan Stats - Atlanta Falcons - ESPN[/url]

Ryan has 94 Tds to 45 Ints

Great home record and career 90 Passer rating and hes a bust?[/quote]

Definitely a bust. Especially considering the Falcons have a crappy under performing defense that keeps letting them down in the playoffs year after year while the FO makes intelligent decisions like drafting wide receivers the year after giving up 48 points to the Packers.

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[quote=SkinzWin;886246]Who said he was a bust? Not me. I simply said what did he do in the PLAYOFFS. N-A-D-A...

[URL="http://youtu.be/40mhBE5MpbA"]Jim Mora playoffs - YouTube[/URL][/quote]


Hey I agree playoffs are where the $ is earned and he's Tony Romo IMO, A damn good QB that just cant get over the playoff hump

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886250]Hey I agree playoffs are where the $ is earned and he's Tony Romo IMO, A damn good QB that just cant get over the playoff hump[/quote]

He is a damn good QB. I like him. I just don't like when people take my words out of context. ;) Especially not you skinsfaninok. It hurts my heart.

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[quote=SkinzWin;886252]He is a damn good QB. I like him. I just don't like when people take my words out of context. ;) Especially not you skinsfaninok. It hurts my heart.[/quote]

lol well even I can make a mistake..

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I do think Matt Ryan gets exposed by the best competition in the league every year as being not as good as his regular season statistics would suggest he is (i.e. a top five NFL quarterback). He isn't that and the Falcons OL and WR and organization in general doesn't get enough credit for making early career Matt Ryan that player. Ryan outproduces guys like Eli Manning on a consistent week-to-week basis, and he's simply not as good a quarterback as Eli is.

Like Matt Stafford, he's young and he'll probably get there. Though I will say this: if offensive totals continue to skyrocket behind physical specimens like Cam Newton and Andrew Luck, guys like Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford are simply going to be lost in the shuffle, and be remembered as average. But if 2011 was just a blip, I think Matt Ryan will emerge as an elite QB within the next two years.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886261]I do think Matt Ryan gets exposed by the best competition in the league every year as being not as good as his regular season statistics would suggest he is (i.e. a top five NFL quarterback). He isn't that and the Falcons OL and WR and organization in general doesn't get enough credit for making early career Matt Ryan that player. Ryan outproduces guys like Eli Manning on a consistent week-to-week basis, and he's simply not as good a quarterback as Eli is.

Like Matt Stafford, he's young and he'll probably get there. Though I will say this: if offensive totals continue to skyrocket behind physical specimens like Cam Newton and Andrew Luck, guys like Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford are simply going to be lost in the shuffle, and be remembered as average. But if 2011 was just a blip, I think Matt Ryan will emerge as an elite QB within the next two years.[/quote]

I think the Falcons did a terrible job at keeping their offensive line starter. I think that really affected the Falcons down the stretch. Also, they could have done without betting the farm on Julio Jones.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886254]lol well even I can make a mistake..[/quote]

say it ain't so coach...

[quote=GTripp0012;886261]I do think Matt Ryan gets exposed by the best competition in the league every year as being not as good as his regular season statistics would suggest he is (i.e. a top five NFL quarterback). He isn't that and the Falcons OL and WR and organization in general doesn't get enough credit for making early career Matt Ryan that player. Ryan outproduces guys like Eli Manning on a consistent week-to-week basis, and he's simply not as good a quarterback as Eli is.

Like Matt Stafford, he's young and he'll probably get there. Though I will say this: if offensive totals continue to skyrocket behind physical specimens like Cam Newton and Andrew Luck, guys like Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford are simply going to be lost in the shuffle, and be remembered as average. But if 2011 was just a blip, [B]I think Matt Ryan will emerge as an elite QB within the next two years.[/B][/quote]

I think Matt Ryan is really good but I just don't see him in the elite top 5 conversation with the likes of Brees, Brady, Manning and the like.

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[quote=SkinzWin;886275]I think Matt Ryan is really good but I just don't see him in the elite top 5 conversation with the likes of Brees, Brady, Manning and the like.[/quote]Same. But I think a lot of credit for why Matt Ryan is as good as he is always gets displaced. And the playoffs are just an example of what Matt Ryan is right now when he's forced to play the role of the underdog: a young, mistake-prone decision maker with obvious physical limitations.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886266]I think the Falcons did a terrible job at keeping their offensive line starter. I think that really affected the Falcons down the stretch. Also, they could have done without betting the farm on Julio Jones.[/quote]I liked the aggression they showed in the Jones trade, but I ultimately wouldn't have done it because I thought Jones was a second rounder.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886295]I liked the aggression they showed in the Jones trade, but I ultimately wouldn't have done it because I thought Jones was a second rounder.[/quote]

Even knowing how Jones played this past year, I still wouldn't have made that trade. Their defense needed the help, not their offense.

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[quote=NC_Skins;886296]Even knowing how Jones played this past year, I still wouldn't have made that trade. Their defense needed the help, not their offense.[/quote]I think though if Jones had gone 4th to the Bengals and that was A.J. Green they traded up for -- aside from having that marketing value because of where Green played his college ball -- that would have been a sensational move that probably would have put the Falcons deep in the playoffs this year.

They couldn't control that though. If they had them rated close to one another, I get why they would do that.

If they had taken Aldon Smith instead? Hoo boy, that would have been a tough defense this year.