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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930511]This is your insight, outright lies and distortions of Ryan's plan by; the Center for American Progress, Ezra Klein and the Atlantic (plus an article from 2011), all left-wing hacks. LOL, again par for the course with you. How about I give you some insight so you can get your head out of your ass:

In the Ryan-Wyden (Dem, Oregon) plan:
1. [B][I]No one over the age of 55 would be affected in any way.[/I][/B]
2. Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. [I][B]No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.[/B][/I]
3. Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals.

This plan is the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option.

Also, keep in mind that it was Obama and the dems who are gutting Medicare to the tune of $ 700B and will institute health care rationing for seniors under Obamacare. [/quote]

I'm still trying to figure out which of those articles were outright lies.

[B]True[/B] - He supports subsidies for big oil. (look at the voting record I posted)

[url=http://www.uppitywis.org/node/47368/view?destination=taxonomy%2Fterm%2F652%3Fpage%3D2]PAUL RYAN: Voted yes on fat federal subsidies to oil companies just before he told voters he was against them | Uppity Wisconsin[/url]

[B]True[/B]- Mitt Romney will pay very little (if any) taxes under the Ryan budget. (even Mitt Romney said this in the earlier debate with Newt Gingrich.
[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-would-paul-ryans-budget-give-mitt-romney-zero-taxes-20120812,0,464987.story]Would Paul Ryan's budget give Mitt Romney zero taxes? - latimes.com[/url]


[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930511]Nothing in the Romney/Paul plan takes from the middle class and gives to the "rich",[/quote]

So essentially they'll be raising taxes on the middle class yet lowering it for the upper elite.

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Business/paul-ryans-tax-plan-measures-americans/story?id=16994803#.UCpVZqDNlQg]How Paul Ryan's Tax Plan Measures Up For Americans - ABC News[/url]

[quote]While Mitt Romney would reportedly pay less than one percent of his income in taxes under Paul Ryan's previous tax plan, most Americans making less than $200,000 would see a tax hike under the budget of Ryan proposed before his selection to be Romney's running mate. [/quote]

Remember now, Romney has been on record supporting Paul Ryan's budget.


[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930511]Outright lie #1 from your link on Big Oil: "It ends the guarantee of decent insurance for senior citizens, breaking Medicare’s bedrock promise."[/quote]

So you have problem with this:

[quote]It ends the guarantee of [U][B]decent[/B][/U] insurance for senior citizens, breaking Medicare’s bedrock promise. It slashes investments in education, infrastructure, and basic research, all of which are key drivers of economic growth and mobility. And it cuts taxes for those at the top, asking the middle class to pick up the tab. It’s a budget designed to benefit the top 1 percent at everyone else’s expense. [/quote]

Now this isn't a outright lie as you claim. Notice it says "decent" before insurance, so definitions of decent are subjective. Romney and crew may think you having to pay 50% of costs is decent, where as a person making 25k per year may think paying 5% costs is decent. (using this as an example so don't go all apeshit here ..kk thnx) Also, I don't think he states that it breaks that Medicare promise for current seniors, just that it does or will and it's factual. You may argue he is presenting hyperbole, but to say he's lying is not correct at all.

But the rest of the article? Yeah, didn't think so.




Guess in the end, those articles ARE correct regardless of your claims of left wing hacks. You presented ONE case for potential hyperbole from one sentence out of a huge article. Really?...lol

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:laughing-


[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79697.html]GOP pros fret over Paul Ryan - Alexander Burns and Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com[/url]


[quote]Away from the cameras, and with all the usual assurances that people aren’t being quoted by name, there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right — and a huge chance of going horribly wrong.

In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives — old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike — the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election.[/quote]

[IMG]http://pages.suddenlink.net/nazgull/lolpaulryan.jpg[/IMG]

I'm quite positive somebody up here said that Romney conceded the election by making this selection so grats to whoever that was.

Note: I am not saying that Romney will in fact lose. I don't know and will not be making bets, but I strongly feel that he'll lose now with the fact that Ryan and his budget are aboard.

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[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79697.html"]GOP pros fret over Paul Ryan - Alexander Burns and Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com[/URL]




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I'm quite positive somebody up here said that Romney conceded the election by making this selection so grats to whoever that was.

Note: I am not saying that Romney will in fact lose. I don't know and will not be making bets, but I strongly feel that he'll lose now with the fact that Ryan and his budget are aboard.[/quote]

What else is your liberal media sources telling you. You post this stuff like its news when its just left wing media trying to spin everything. It would be like me posting Rush bashing Obama like that's news.

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[quote=NC_Skins;930655]I'm still trying to figure out which of those articles were outright lies.

[B]True[/B] - He supports subsidies for big oil. (look at the voting record I posted)[/quote][B]Distortion[/B] - Here's the detail on what libs (and any website that says "progress" or "progressive" is left-wing) call "Big Oil Subsidies".

All manufacturers except the oil and gas industry get to deduct 9 percent of their revenues before calculating their tax bills. (It’s worth noting that “manufacturing” is so broadly defined that it includes newspapers and software companies in addition to producers of wind turbines and solar panels.) Though oil and gas producers get the deduction, they are singled out for a lower 6 percent deduction.
Let’s review that. [B][I]The oil and gas industry gets a deduction that is only two-thirds as generous as for all other manufacturers (wind turbine and solar panel manufacturers and even The New York Times, for example[/I][/B]), yet the deduction is called a subsidy to oil and gas. The President’s proposal does not eliminate the deduction for any other industry.

Ryan is for closing corporate tax loopholes. Obama and the libs like to point to his votes on Continuing Resolutions to keep the gov't running as supporting big oil....intentional gross distortions are lies in my book.

[quote][B]True[/B]- Mitt Romney will pay very little (if any) taxes under the Ryan budget. (even Mitt Romney said this in the earlier debate with Newt Gingrich.[/quote]False - the article even mentions that Obama / Dems are pointing to a [B]2010[/B] budget plan that eliminated capital gains....for ALL Americans. The current plan reduces the CG rate, not eliminates it. The claim that Romney would pay no taxes (or 0.82%) under the current plan is a lie.

[quote]So essentially they'll be raising taxes on the middle class yet lowering it for the upper elite.[/quote]I've posted this before....it would help if you'd read and understand it. On financial matters, I'll take the Wall Street Journal over ABC or some XYZ for Progress blog.

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577574910276629448.html]Review & Outlook: The Romney Hood Fairy Tale - WSJ.com[/url]

Romney's at the top of the ticket, here's his plan and it reduces Federal Tax Rates for ALL Americans. "
The heart of Mr. Romney's actual proposal is a 20% rate cut for anyone who pays income taxes. This means, for example, that the 10% rate would fall to 8%, the 35% rate would fall to 28% and all the brackets in between would fall as well. The corporate tax would fall to 25% from 35%.
The plan says these cuts would be financed in a revenue-neutral way. First, by "broadening the tax base," which means reducing or eliminating tax deductions and loopholes as in the tax reform of 1986. The Romney campaign doesn't specify which deductions—no campaign ever does—but it has been explicit in saying that the burden would fall most on higher tax brackets. So in return for paying lower rates, the wealthy get fewer deductions."

Oh and this on Obama's plan: [URL="http://www.nfib.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=OMV7uZczVaM%3D&tabid=1083"][COLOR=#000080]A report[/COLOR][/URL] commissioned by pro-business groups including the United States Chamber of Commerce and prepared by accounting firm Ernst and Young found raising tax rates for high-income taxpayers could [B][I]decrease output in the long-run by 1.3 percent of $200 billion and lead to a drop in employment by 0.5 percent or 710,000 jobs.[/I][/B]


[quote]So you have problem with this:

Now this isn't a outright lie as you claim. Notice it says "decent" before insurance, so definitions of decent are subjective. Romney and crew may think you having to pay 50% of costs is decent, where as a person making 25k per year may think paying 5% costs is decent. (using this as an example so don't go all apeshit here ..kk thnx) Also, I don't think he states that it breaks that Medicare promise for current seniors, just that it does or will and it's factual. You may argue he is presenting hyperbole, but to say he's lying is not correct at all.

But the rest of the article? Yeah, didn't think so.[/quote]Unless you consider the existing Medicare system "decent" (which I assume Obama and the Dems do because they want to leave it as-is to go bankrupt in 10 years), absolutely a problem. What part of, "No one over 55 will be affected in any way", and "Traditional Medicare fee for service will be available". Another flat out lie that no matter how you try to spin it is a lie.

[quote]Guess in the end, those articles ARE correct regardless of your claims of left wing hacks. You presented ONE case for potential hyperbole from one sentence out of a huge article. Really?...lol[/quote]Guess in the end, I was correct.

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[quote=firstdown;930668]What else is your liberal media sources telling you. You post this stuff like its news when its just left wing media trying to spin everything. It would be like me posting Rush bashing Obama like that's news.[/quote]

Wait, so politico.com is now a "liberal media" source? :confused-



SO, if it isn't Fox News, it's liberal? :stop:

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[quote=NC_Skins;930670]Wait, so politico.com is now a "liberal media" source? :confused-



SO, if it isn't Fox News, it's liberal? :stop:[/quote]Yes, sir. Joe Scarborough and Michael Kinsley are opinion writers. John Harris is Editor-in-Chief, VandeHei is co-founder, both from WaPo. May not be Media Matters or Huff Post, but yes they lean to the left.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politico]Politico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930674]Yes, sir. Joe Scarborough and Michael Kinsley are opinion writers. John Harris is Editor-in-Chief, VandeHei is co-founder, both from WaPo. May not be Media Matters or Huff Post, but yes they lean to the left.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politico]Politico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]


Funny, they were previously accused "of being a shill for Republicans."

[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3013.html]Opinion: Media Matters Response - - POLITICO.com[/url]

Your claims doesn't add up. Not in the slightest.

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[quote=NC_Skins;930676]Funny, they were previously accused "of being a shill for Republicans."

[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3013.html"]Opinion: Media Matters Response - - POLITICO.com[/URL]

Your claims doesn't add up. Not in the slightest.[/quote]By Media Matters....who's a few degrees left of the Beijing Times. You've got to be kidding me.

You're example would be like CBN calling Heritage a "shill for the Dems", then claiming Heritage is "down the middle".

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[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/13/romney-event-host-drug-dealer-miami_n_1774246.html]Mitt Romney Miami Campaign Event Held At Juice Shop Owned By Convicted Cocaine Trafficker (PHOTOS, VIDEO)[/url]

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[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558"]General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News[/URL]

From the link: "2010 was the second year in a row that [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Tax/ge-exxon-paid-us-income-taxes-09/story?id=10300167"][COLOR=#000080]GE recorded billions in profits[/COLOR][/URL] and paid no taxes. During that same period, Immelt has been a close advisor to the president on the business community, a relationship that rubs some the wrong way. Immelt serves as the [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=12727300"][COLOR=#000080]chairman of Obama's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness[/COLOR][/URL]."

Interesting?

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[quote=dmek25;930709][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/13/romney-event-host-drug-dealer-miami_n_1774246.html"]Mitt Romney Miami Campaign Event Held At Juice Shop Owned By Convicted Cocaine Trafficker (PHOTOS, VIDEO)[/URL][/quote]Probably one of his Camyan Island buddies, next thing you know Romney will be POTUS and his AG will be selling guns to drug cartels.....oh wait????

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[quote=NC_Skins;930676]Funny, they were previously accused "of being a shill for Republicans."

[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3013.html"]Opinion: Media Matters Response - - POLITICO.com[/URL]

Your claims doesn't add up. Not in the slightest.[/quote]


Come on. Everyone knows Politico leans left.

And Media Matters accusing Politico "of being a shill for Repubs" was only a month or 2 after Politico was founded and based primarly off of how it was formed, not Politico's actual actions and spoken views.

Now 5 years later (not 1-2 months) Politico's actions and words have made it apparent that they are a left wing publication.

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Can I get a list from the conservative right on which media they consider balanced or middle?

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I didn't wanna ruin the pics for sharing thread with something political but this was too funny not to share. (If you know of the Pokemon series)

[IMG]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/217689_10151343293504966_551754305_n.jpg[/IMG]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBVrPWwSlRM[/ame]

Here's the Pokemon video for comparison. :P

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[quote=DynamiteRave;930745]I didn't wanna ruin the pics for sharing thread with something political but this was too funny not to share. (If you know of the Pokemon series)

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBVrPWwSlRM]Best Team Rocket Motto Ever! - YouTube[/url]

Here's the Pokemon video for comparison. :P[/quote]That's pretty funny.

Pokemon brings back great memeories, I remember helping my son build up a high level Gengar when he was little and taking him to a BK Pokemon trading nights. Still have a box of the toys socked away in the attic. Good times.

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[quote=NC_Skins;930743]Can I get a list from the conservative right on which media they consider balanced or middle?[/quote]Here's list of Fair and Balanced, down the middle: Fox News, Wall St. Journal, Heritage (leans slightly right).

Left: All Barack Channel, National Barack Channel, Communist Broadcast System, Communist News Network, Mr. Saden's National Barack Channel (courtesy SmootSmack), anything that has "progressive" in the name.

j/k :laughing-

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Look what the scume of VP is saying now. What an ass hole Biden is.

Lowering his voice, Biden added, "They're going to put you all back in chains."

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930758][B]Here's list of Fair and Balanced, down the middle: Fox News, Wall St. Journal, Heritage (leans slightly right).[/B]

Left: All Barack Channel, National Barack Channel, Communist Broadcast System, Communist News Network, Mr. Saden's National Barack Channel (courtesy SmootSmack), anything that has "progressive" in the name.

j/k :laughing-[/quote]


You forgot New Tyrant Times, my favorite source for country destroying information.

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[quote=dmek25;930709][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/13/romney-event-host-drug-dealer-miami_n_1774246.html"]Mitt Romney Miami Campaign Event Held At Juice Shop Owned By Convicted Cocaine Trafficker (PHOTOS, VIDEO)[/URL][/quote]

Why does that matter?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930674]Yes, sir. Joe Scarborough and Michael Kinsley are opinion writers. John Harris is Editor-in-Chief, VandeHei is co-founder, both from WaPo. May not be Media Matters or Huff Post, but yes they lean to the left.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politico]Politico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]

Dude, have you lost your mind? Joe Scarborough is a former Republican member of Congress and Morning Joe routinely hosts right wingers like Dan Senor, among others, who has become a daily fixture on Joe's program. Jim VandeHei is another right winger, same with John Harris.

Yes, these guys are staunch Republicans. Try again with the Politico liberal shtick.

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[quote=saden1;930773]You forgot New Tyrant Times, my favorite source for country destroying information.[/quote]:laughing2
That's one I hadn't heard before.

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I'll jump in soon. Its just to hard to focus on something as bitter and depressing as politics when I have this brand new top of the line PC. Does anyone know how much HD pronz I can fit on a TB?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930781]:laughing2
That's one I hadn't heard before.[/quote]

That's because I just made it up, you know, to keep up with your theme of exposing the true nature of liberal media outlets.

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I was working last night till about 8:30 and at one point I was wondering where all these people were that Obama says helped me get to where I am today. Seemed they must have been off helping someone else.

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[quote=firstdown;930868]I was working last night till about 8:30 and at one point I was wondering where all these people were that Obama says helped me get to where I am today. Seemed they must have been off helping someone else.[/quote]

They helped pave the road to your business and keep it up don't they? They make small business loans available to you don't they?


You Republicans are so fcking retarded that you don't realize your talking points of "Democrats hurt Small Business but Republicans help Small Business" defeats your other talking notation of "no one ever helps me."

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[quote=saden1;930899]They helped pave the road to your business and keep it up don't they? [B]They make small business loans available to you don't they? [/B]


You Republicans are so fcking retarded that you don't realize your talking points of "Democrats hurt Small Business but Republicans help Small Business" defeats your other talking notation of "no one ever helps me."

[yt]X6WHBO_Qc-Q[/yt][/quote]

No my good credit got my loan. Calling us fcking retarded. It was you that came to a football site asking questions about running a business. How retarded is that?

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[quote=firstdown;930909]No my good credit got my loan. Calling us fcking retarded. It was you that came to a football site asking questions about running a business. How retarded is that?[/quote]

you didnt build that

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[quote=Chico23231;930913]you didnt build that[/quote]

I didn't do anything I just walked in one day and had an up and running business. I guess I was one of the "LUCKY" people as Obama would say.

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[quote=firstdown;930909]No my good credit got my loan. Calling us fcking retarded. It was you that came to a football site asking questions about running a business. How retarded is that?[/quote]

What are you implying? When it comes to business nothing can be learned from fellow warpathers? There's always an oppertunity to learn from other people's experience despite the plethora of goofballs such as yourself.


But, hey, unlike you I can't do it by myself and there is going to be a long list of people and entities to thank.

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[quote=Chico23231;930913]you didnt build that[/quote]

I guess it's just too common sense but least Romney himself gets it in his speech in the 2002 Olympics.

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It's shame that he has to go full retarded to appease people like firstdown.

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[quote=saden1;930934]What are you implying? When it comes to business nothing can be learned from fellow warpathers? There's always an oppertunity to learn from other people's experience despite the plethora of goofballs such as yourself.


But, hey, unlike you I can't do it by myself and there is going to be a long list of people and entities to thank.[/quote]You are 100% correct, in any business or personal success in addition to personal hardwork, dedication, talent, etc. there are always many folks who helped along the way. A parent, coach, mentor, business partner, friend.....even fellow warpather, but none of those folks was provided by gov't. I would say by the grace of God, others may have a different explanation, but either way success is NEVER provided by gov't (unless you're an Obama crony with a green-energy company looking for a loan).

See this previous post: [URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/47853-2012-presidential-election-free-all-edition-5.html#post924794[/URL]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930971]You are 100% correct, in any business or personal success in addition to personal hardwork, dedication, talent, etc. there are always many folks who helped along the way. A parent, coach, mentor, business partner, friend.....even fellow warpather, but none of those folks was provided by gov't. I would say by the grace of God, others may have a different explanation, but either way success is NEVER provided by gov't (unless you're an Obama crony with a green-energy company looking for a loan).

See this previous post: [URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/47853-2012-presidential-election-free-all-edition-5.html#post924794[/URL][/quote]

What about the community that build the facilities as Romney alluded to? I suspect we both know what Obama was saying but it's easier to just make fun of what he said and have people like firstdown go full retarded with it.

The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.

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[quote=saden1;930974]What about the community that build the facilities as Romney alluded to? I suspect we both know what Obama was saying but it's easier to just make fun of what he said and have people like firstdown go full retarded with it.

The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.[/quote]Here's the full text (two paras in debate) of what Obama said: "[INDENT]“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, [B]if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.[/B] You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
[/INDENT][INDENT]“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. [B]If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.[/B] The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”
[/INDENT]If all he said was the first para, I'm with you, it's a stretch to expand it to he's saying you basically owe the gov't.

However the second para is what's damning (see what happens without a teleprompter). His references to a "great teacher", "this unbelievable American system", "investments is roads & bridges", "Gov't research creating the Internet" are alluding to gov't funding/programs being responsible for private business success. It's just what he believes, and that's OK. Be who you are, tell the truth about your vision for the country, not what you think will get you elected, and let the chips fall where they may.

That's why I'm very happy with the Ryan pick (whether it ends up costing me $$$ or not). The GOP needs to stop being Dem-lite, or the Diet Coke of liberalism, embrace fiscally conservative policies/values and communicate to the American people (leave the social stuff to the states to decide).

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[quote=saden1;930974]The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.[/quote]I don't know how FD financed his business when he started, but when I had the pizza shop all the financing I used was private, SBA loan paperwork was a f-ing nightmare. I get the FDIC program and SBA loan programs, but again they're paid for by taxes all of us pay. I would argue that a successful small business owner pays more in taxes than most and if the choice was to slightly scale back gov't programs to keep taxes level or reduce them I'm sure 99% of small business owners would be in favo of that approach.

And as I've mentioned before, the current economic downturn was primarily sparked by long-term gov't interference in the mortage loan markets. Was the bank bailout necessary to stave off a financial meltdown....most likely.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;930985]
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[quote]You Olympians, however, [B]know you didn’t get here solely on your own power[/B]. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, [B]communities built venues in order to organize competitions.[/B] All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and [B]communities[/B]. All right! [pumps fist].[/quote]

[quote]If you were successful, [B]somebody along the line gave you some help[/B]. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.[B] Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system[/B] that we have that allowed you to thrive. [B]Somebody invested in roads and bridges.[/B] If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that [B][on your own][/B]. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. [B]Government research created the Internet[/B] so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The [B]point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.[/B]”[/quote]

I think the context of Obama's speech and previous speeches allude to exactly what he is saying. It's very self-evident what he was saying but perhaps there is a reading comprehension issue at play here? Or is it partisan hackery?


You gleaned over and avoided the issue of whether facilities that communities build constitute government helping individuals succeed as Romney stipulated. Perhaps you should be concerned more about what your candidate believes and did in creating Romneycare than parse what Obama has to say.



At their core these two speeches have exactly same message:
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[quote=firstdown;930909]No my good credit got my loan.[/quote]


So ,the bank ,taking a chance on you is not someone ......helping you?Had you not gotten the loan,what would have happen?

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This can happen at the Federal level as well, just need to put adults in charge. A Balanced Budget amendment (49 states have it) and entitlement reform wouldn't hurt either.

[url=http://hamptonroads.com/2012/08/mcdonnell-announces-4485-million-budget-surplus]McDonnell announces $448.5 million budget surplus | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;931052]So ,the bank ,taking a chance on you is not someone ......helping you?Had you not gotten the loan,what would have happen?[/quote]

Helping me? Was I not their customer who they made money by loaning me money? I actually did not really need a business loan to open my business but I did open a line of credit just in case I needed additional capital.

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The reason we laugh at what Obama says is that he thinks Gov. is the answer to everyones problems. He has a pattern of this thinking so when he says those things it just in line whith his thinking that gov. knows best. We know what he said and that statement alone is no big deal but if you look over his history for every problem he has a gov. solution.

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And the ironic thing is a tax increase would do almost nothing to help reduce the deficit.

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303815404577336010655038338.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop]Review & Outlook: The Obama Rule - WSJ.com[/url]
[QUOTE]The Obama Treasury's own numbers confirm that the tax would raise at most $5 billion a year—or less than 0.5% of the $1.2 trillion fiscal 2012 budget deficit and over the next decade a mere 0.1% of the $45.43 trillion the federal government will spend. When asked about those revenue projections, [B]White House aide Jason Furman backpedaled from Mr. Obama's rationale by explaining that the tax was never intended "to bring the deficit down and the debt under control."[/B][/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]The Buffett rule is really nothing more than a sneaky way for Mr. Obama to justify doubling the capital gains and dividend tax rate to 30% from 15% today. That's the real spread-the-wealth target. The problem is that this is a tax on capital that is needed for firms to grow and hire more workers. Mr. Obama says he wants an investment-led recovery, not one led by consumption, but how will investment be spurred by doubling the tax on it?

The only investment and hiring the Buffett rule is likely to spur will be [B]outside the United States[/B]—in China, Germany, India, and other competitors [B]with much more investment-friendly tax regimes[/B]. The Buffett rule would give the U.S. the fourth highest capital gains rate among OECD nations, according to a new study by Ernst & Young, to go along with what is now the highest corporate tax rate (a little under 40% for the combined federal and average state rate). That's what happens when politicians pursue fairness over growth.
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