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I'd go for mostly front seven an OL in this draft. Just keep working on winning in the trenches, we can't fill all of our holes and I think if we play well up front we can get by w smoke and mirrors and some budget FA types for now.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;995900]You dont know much about Geno then. the knock on Geno isnt his throwing ability, dude has all the tools physically. His footwork needs some work and he tends to sit in the pocket too long instead of taking something available in front of him or rolling out. But his biggest knock is that he's a headcase, if you hit him a few times or get in his head his game goes to complete sh*t.

Accuracy and Arm strength are not the questions surrounding Geno.

Also, just an fyi, its Tavon, not Tayvon.[/quote]

Jason Campbell 2.0

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[quote=diehardskin2982;995852]Ryan Swope will be drafted in the 3rd round by the Patriots[/quote]

They will draft him in the 2nd round.

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The only major difference between Geno and RG3 coming out is accuracy to the deep outside area of the field. Geno throws it around pretty well, at least as well as Griffin did coming out.

The biggest difference is not the skill of the players at the top of the draft between 2012 and 2013, but the aggressiveness of the teams at the top. The Colts released Peyton Manning and the Redskins dealt 3 first round picks to set the table for the RG3/Luck draft. The Chiefs just...traded for Alex Smith. That's the biggest difference.

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^ I have to disagree the total over all player RG3 was better than Geno comming out of college

Geno- 4.59 40 33.5 inch vert 10.3 ft broad jump
RG3- 4.41 40 39 inch vert 10

RG3 had a was a better talent and a stronger resume comming out of college. His record back him up. 78 td 17 ints plus RG3 was hurt for one year.

Geno had 98 td 20 int

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;995876]Yeah 100 Touchdowns is pretty bad….[/QUOTE]

Because he played in a terrible conference most of the time. I'm just saying he's not that good but I guess time will tell

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[quote=GTripp0012;995926]The only major difference between Geno and RG3 coming out is accuracy to the deep outside area of the field. Geno throws it around pretty well, at least as well as Griffin did coming out.

The biggest difference is not the skill of the players at the top of the draft between 2012 and 2013, but the aggressiveness of the teams at the top. The Colts released Peyton Manning and the Redskins dealt 3 first round picks to set the table for the RG3/Luck draft. The Chiefs just...traded for Alex Smith. That's the biggest difference.[/quote]

I would disagree. There is a big difference between RG3's consistency and Geno Smith's consistency. Also intangibles RG3 definitely has the edge. Both on and off the field. I can guarantee there will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs. As far as QB talent, there is a huge difference between this years draft and last years draft. Last year you had the Heisman winner with a great arm and great intangibles, the QB who could have been a first round pick the past two years, and an underrated QB who was overlooked due to his height. This year you have a QB who could have been a top 10 pick last year but fell off badly and proving that he really was not that good, a QB who lost 5 straight games when he had Tavon Austin and Bailey as receivers, a QB who underachieved at FSU but is shooting up boards because of his "talent".

There is a huge difference between Geno Smith and RG3, and a huge difference between the quarterback classes.

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[quote=donofriose;995929]I would disagree. There is a big difference between RG3's consistency and Geno Smith's consistency. Also intangibles RG3 definitely has the edge. Both on and off the field. I can guarantee there will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs. As far as QB talent, there is a huge difference between this years draft and last years draft. Last year you had the Heisman winner with a great arm and great intangibles, the QB who could have been a first round pick the past two years, and an underrated QB who was overlooked due to his height. This year you have a QB who could have been a top 10 pick last year but fell off badly and proving that he really was not that good, a QB who lost 5 straight games when he had Tavon Austin and Bailey as receivers, a QB who underachieved at FSU but is shooting up boards because of his "talent".

There is a huge difference between Geno Smith and RG3, and a huge difference between the quarterback classes.[/quote]No there definitely will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs in 2013. Last year's class was ridiculous. Three quarterbacks that went undrafted from last year's class are on rosters, not to mention that every drafted QB except Weeden exceeded expectations.

I do think there will be three QBs picked in the first round who will by and large be successful in the league though. Three is a lot different from seven or eight though.

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[quote=donofriose;995929]I would disagree. There is a big difference between RG3's consistency and Geno Smith's consistency. Also intangibles RG3 definitely has the edge. Both on and off the field. I can guarantee there will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs. As far as QB talent, there is a huge difference between this years draft and last years draft. Last year you had the Heisman winner with a great arm and great intangibles, the QB who could have been a first round pick the past two years, and an underrated QB who was overlooked due to his height. This year you have a QB who could have been a top 10 pick last year but fell off badly and proving that he really was not that good, a QB who lost 5 straight games when he had Tavon Austin and Bailey as receivers, a QB who underachieved at FSU but is shooting up boards because of his "talent".

There is a huge difference between Geno Smith and RG3, and a huge difference between the quarterback classes.[/quote]

You can put two of those five straight on geno for sure, but not the other three, wv had one of the worst defenses in the country last year, stedman was out during a lot of that stretch and there was no reliable third receiver and no reliable running game. I don't think geno is worthy of the number one overall, but I'm fairly certain hell be a solid qb in the league if he can get his mind right.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;995946]You can put two of those five straight on geno for sure, but not the other three, wv had one of the worst defenses in the country last year, stedman was out during a lot of that stretch and there was no reliable third receiver and no reliable running game. I don't think geno is worthy of the number one overall, but I'm fairly certain hell be a solid qb in the league if he can get his mind right.[/quote]

I agree their defense was terrible. But the comparison was Geno Smith to RG3... I do not think those QB's compare at all. If Geno was coming out last year he probably would not have been drafted in the top 10. That is the only point I am trying to make.

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[quote=GTripp0012;995930]No there definitely will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs in 2013. Last year's class was ridiculous. Three quarterbacks that went undrafted from last year's class are on rosters, not to mention that every drafted QB except Weeden exceeded expectations.

I do think there will be three QBs picked in the first round who will by and large be successful in the league though. Three is a lot different from seven or eight though.[/quote]

Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith

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[quote=Chico23231;995957]Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith[/quote]

Mine consists of:

1. Geno Smith
2. Mike Glennon
3. Tyler Wilson
4. Ryan Nassib
5. Matt Barkley

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I am a WVU fan, and have been for years. There is no way that you can compare Geno to RG III. He is not in the same relm as III. Yeah you can look at his numbers but he was rather pathetic this year and without Trayvon his numbers would have been much worse.

His numbers are a touch inflated due to the fact that on multiple occasions he threw a pass behind or at the LOS to Tayvon, and he took it 50,60,70 yrds to the house.

Plus Geno is not the athlete nor does he have the ball handing skills of III.

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[quote=Chico23231;995957]Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith[/quote]

I don't think many people are putting Barkley at the top. He has arm strength issues. Definitely do not see him as a #1. But then again, this whole QB class is pretty weak.

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[quote=SkinzWin;995991]I don't think many people are putting Barkley at the top. He has arm strength issues. Definitely do not see him as a #1. But then again, this whole QB class is pretty weak.[/quote]

Barkley and Wilson dealt with alot of crap this season. I think if you put both on better teams with less drama they woulda excelled. I think neither are top 15 or 20 picks or guys that step on the field ready to play year 1, well right off the bat. Maybe mid-season.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/2/28/4041910/redskins-alternative-mock-draft]Redskins “Alternative" Mock Draft - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;996060][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/2/28/4041910/redskins-alternative-mock-draft]Redskins “Alternative" Mock Draft - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think of this draft.[/quote]

really cant complain. the WR outta Tennesse is a beast. Question is Honey Badger a CB in the NFL? 4th round is good value to give him a shot with the Skins.

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I like the Rambo and Stoneburber picks.
A WR with our first pick?

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Justin Hunter has the hands of Greg Little..can't catch; way too many drops.

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[quote=Chico23231;995957]Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith[/quote]Yeah. I've watched most of the prospects I'm going to watch, I've just been lazy about it.

I don't really see this as a weak QB class, at all. Geno Smith will go top ten this year, and would go top ten pretty much any year he came out. He's clearly a better prospect than Locker/Gabbert/Ponder/Mallet (I would have rated him above Newton as well, but I ended up being off on Newton). Barkley is [I]probably[/I] going in the top ten as well. And if he goes seven/eight/nine, some team (likely one picking at the top) is going to maneuver and try to get Nassib in the 13-19 neighborhood of the first round.

So those three will go right away. My favorite of the "best of the rest" is Tyler Bray, but I think a draft day fall might actually work in his benefit. Bray was the first QB I studied, and my reaction right after was Bray was the best player -- player, not quarterback -- in the entire draft. I've backed off that position substantially, not because I've seen evidence to make me believe that's not the case, but because I was doing WAY too much justifying of a high grade on a player who is going to be a late riser, at best. Kind of like Kellen Moore last year. At this point, if you can get Bray late in the first round or early in the second, I would, but there's no reason to take him with a top ten pick: he doesn't have the intangibles the other three guys do (and he's really not mobile at all, in an era where mobility is so important to development of the QB), so the market for him won't be as fierce.

The rest of the class is mediocre. I like Sean Renfree (Duke), Zac Dysert (Miami) and Marquise Gray (Minnesota) as backup types with some trade value in the league down the road. I think EJ Manuel can be a system guy in the NFL, but he's not going to rise as sharply as some people think (late 2 or early 3 at best). I think Tyler Wilson and Sean Glennon are going to struggle, a lot. I still have no idea what on earth to think of Landry Jones. If Jones could demonstrate just one clear skill outside of his arm, he'd go high in this draft...I'm just not sure he has it. I think Collin Klein should probably play tight end, although you can make your case that backup quarterback-who-will-never-play is the single most coveted position in sports. I think Jordan Rodgers probably shouldn't be drafted.

I haven't yet seen Matt Scott play (I'm not sure I saw Arizona play at all last year), but I hear he's intriguing.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;996063]I like the Rambo and Stoneburber picks.
[B]A WR with our first pick?[/[/B]QUOTE]

I tend to agree -- I don't see us picking a WR early on. If Matt Elam (safety) from Florida is available, I could see that instead. Generally, I would imagine that the best safety available would likely be a priority, unless someone surprising fell into our laps that we thought would never get out of the first round.

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This guy is rated as a late round 5th and beyond, prospect. #77 RT Reid Fragel Ohio St.
He gets to the second level quicker than most tackles I've seen. He maybe the answer to Polumbus and our RT spot or very least to compete with Tom Compton (and possibly Polumbus).

Its hard to tell how great he is/can be with a QB that runs twice as much as RG3 did in College and isn't as good of a passer as RG3 (he holds on to the ball much more than RG3), and Wisconsin didn't have a good pass rusher last year, but from what I can tell he looks like a steal.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/3/4/4062956/the-inevitable-redskins-trade-back-mock-draft]The Inevitable Redskins 'Trade Back' Mock Draft - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think?

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^ dont like it

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;996325][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/3/4/4062956/the-inevitable-redskins-trade-back-mock-draft]The Inevitable Redskins 'Trade Back' Mock Draft - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think?[/quote]

I like parts of it.

I don't like Darius Slay. He'll get drafted higher than he should.

I'm not too fond of Riddick (Kevin, not Theo of Notre Dame)

I don't like that TE from SCarolina, however I honestly haven't seen much film of him, but I can tell you that there are other TEs, Lutzenkurchen to name one, who will be there in that round or later that I feel like they would do great here or be of better value.

Fragel, and Swope I love though.

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1) EJ Manuel
2) Geno Smith
3) Tyler Wilson
4) Landry Jones
5) Barkley/Nassib

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[quote=GTripp0012;995926]The only major difference between Geno and RG3 coming out is accuracy to the deep outside area of the field. Geno throws it around pretty well, at least as well as Griffin did coming out.[/quote]I agree that Griffin and Geno are similar and like you said Griff has better deep ball accuracy. I think their arm talent is close, Griff has a quicker release but Geno has more consistent mechanics.

But there is one important disctinction. Its an area where the 2 QBs are diametrically opposed: playmaking.

'Spontaneous Genius' as Bill Walsh called it and Griffin has is in spades. Where Geno's coached pushed him to be and wanted him to be more of playmaker, Griffin is a natural.

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[quote=30gut;996506]1) EJ Manuel
2) Geno Smith
3) Tyler Wilson
4) Landry Jones
5) Barkley/Nassib[/quote]

Why Barkley so low, did he forget how to QB in a year?

EJ is a first rounder? I remember him coming outta high school, expected a better career outta him. FSU...smh

nice list 30Gangsta

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2nd: David Amerson CB
3rd: TJ McDonald FS
4th: John Bostic ILB/Zaviar Gooden
5th: Duke Williams FS
5th: Josh Boyce WR
6th: Cierre Wood RB
7th: Colby Cameron QB

UDFA: Vinton Painter OT

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[quote=Chico23231;996514]Why Barkley so low, did he forget how to QB in a year?[/quote]Even last year I never had Barkley as an elite talent. So for me nothing has changed. Limited arm strength, limited mobility, little playmaking ability, surrounded by top level playmakers.

[quote]EJ is a first rounder? I remember him coming outta high school, expected a better career outta him. FSU...smh[/quote]Yeah, I know its unpopular. But when I close my ears to the rhetoric and rely on the tape he's the QB I would choose for my team. I try to separate the QB from their situation and focus on their play and their skillset. EJ to my eye might have the biggest arm of this draft class and imo is clearly the best playmaker. He reminds me of Ben Rothlisberger/slimmer Daunte Culpeper.
You plug him into the right situation like some of the QBs from this season he has success right away.

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[quote=30gut;996516]2nd: David Amerson CB
3rd: TJ McDonald FS
4th: John Bostic ILB/Zaviar Gooden
5th: Duke Williams FS
5th: Josh Boyce WR
6th: Cierre Wood RB
7th: Colby Cameron QB

UDFA: Vinton Painter OT[/quote]

Replace Cierre Wood with his buddy at ND, Theo Riddick, and I love that draft!


Also I thought you all should know, Josh Boyce is not only a beast WR who reminds me of a healthier Hakeem Nicks, but he could be here based on RG3 telling Shanahan to get this guy, because he and RG3 played together in high school.

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[quote=30gut;996506]1) EJ Manuel
2) Geno Smith
3) Tyler Wilson
4) Landry Jones
5) Barkley/Nassib[/quote]

1) Barkley
2) Wilson
2) Glennon
2) Geno
5) Landry
5) Bray

but in all honestly I could care less because we don't need a QB, thats the other 25+ teams problems to figure it out

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[quote=30gut;996516]2nd: David Amerson CB
3rd: TJ McDonald FS
4th: John Bostic ILB/Zaviar Gooden
5th: Duke Williams FS
5th: Josh Boyce WR
6th: Cierre Wood RB
7th: Colby Cameron QB

UDFA: Vinton Painter OT[/quote]

I have

2nd: Phillip Thomas FS
3rd: Tyrann Mathieu CB,SS
4th: Ryan Swoope WR
5th: Xavier Nixon OT
5th: Travis Kelce TE
6th: Ray Ray Armstrong SS
7th: BPA

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2nd Round Matt Elam S or Bacarri Rambo S or Kenny Vaccaro S whoever is on the board
3rd Round Jamar Taylor CB
4th Round Jordan Reed TE
5th Round Omoregie Uzzi OG
6th Round DJ Swearinger S

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[quote=tc2deuce;996552]2nd Round Matt Elam S or [B]Bacarri Rambo[/B] S or Kenny Vaccaro S whoever is on the board
3rd Round Jamar Taylor CB
4th Round Jordan Reed TE
5th Round Omoregie Uzzi OG
6th Round [B]DJ Swearinger[/B] S[/quote]

Rambo is more likely of the 3.
Swearinger ins't going in the 6th.
We do have a 7th rounder, or did you just cut it short on purpose?

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I went out the other day and bought the NFL Draft Magazines that come out at this time of year. I got the Lindys, ProFootballWeekly, and ProFootball Draft Guide.

- They all suck this year
- ProFootball Draft Guide was the most expensive with the least info
- I'm not happy with ProFootball Weekly this year leaving out recommended prospects that the redskins should target for offense and defense.
- I feel like they really rushed ProFootball Weekly (PFW) this year just to get it on stands faster, leaving out a lot of info they would normally include (such as recommended prospects)

Aside from me practically wasting my money, I learned (or cemented an opinion):

-That 2 outlets have now confirmed Robert Alford CB Southeastern Lousiana has Crohns disease
- Ryan Swope has suffered a reported 3 concussions already.
- PFW brought up a great point about Barrett Jones of Alabama "If he were on Auburn, do you think we'd be talking about him as much, or is just because he's on Alabama, playing with other great prospects, that we like him?"
- They all say Escobar is the real deal (TE San Diego St)
- They all agree the QB class sucks this year (no surprise)
- Jordan Mills T LaTech is a guy we should be keeping our eyes on; all the books say he would be a great addition to a ZBS
- Margus Hunt is 26...
- PFDG said we should look at "Jordan Poyer, Jamar Taylor, Robert Alford, Darius Slay." "They could go safety with JJ Wilcox, Tony Jefferson, Duke Williams, or Phillip Thomas."
- Nickell Robey CB USC, is basically the Russell Wilson of CBs according to most of the magazines. If he were 2 inches taller and 30-40lbs heavier he'd be a first rounder challenging Milliner for top pick. Instead he's 5'8 168lb and a 5th rounder.
- PFW does a "What the scouts say about 3-6 prospects per position (already mentioned their Barrett Jones comment above) they bashed the LBs with Khaseem Greene saying "All the plays he makes are schemed". They also had lots of questions on Dion Jordan and said that Arthur Brown "gets a body on him and he's done".
- Kevin Riddick, who has been a named linked to us in mocks, is "instense, He's everything you want in a leader. He's smart and instinctive. He just can't run. His speed is average."
- "LSU gives their #18 Jersey to their hardest worker each year. This year it went to Bennie Logan DT. He is a very strong plugger with a thick, athletic build. He looks every bit the part." Logan is viewed as a 3rd to 4th rounder.
- "Bjoern Werner is Ryan Kerrigan" apparently
- William Gholston will go higher than he should. He is also related to Vernon Gholston...( I don't want him)
- "DJ Swearinger will drop down in the box and hit you. He looks to take your head off. I love his intensity and approach. Every secondary needs a lightning rod like him. When you think of a lot of the great ones--the Ed Reeds and Brian Dawkins-- they had that spark...He'll miss some tackles that he should make, but he's a big-time hitter."

-TJ McDonald is a better athlete than football player (see Taylor Mays)

- Tony Jefferson "can't run. He took a bunch of bad angles."

- Bacarri Rambo "not a hitter. He's never been the same since he got put on a backboard early in his career. He's not a true free or an ideal strong. Factor in the background issues and you're talking about a backup." Never knew he was injured seriously early on.

- Matt Elam "He would start looking attractive to me in the 4th round. Thats where I think he belongs. He plays the ball well, but he's more of a box guy to me."

- Menelik Watson (RT FSU) "Is not a US Citizen, is overaged, and is probably going to be a combine phenom that will wow many people, the question is if you can get it out of him on the field" Don't want him

- Justin Pugh OT/OG Syracuse supposedly isn't a LT for the pros but should be tried there anyway with his quick feet and his tyranasorus rex arms, before you waste him at guard. I say why don't they try him at RT?

- Oday Aboushi is rated as a 3rd rounder at best in most of the magazines.

- Tyrann Mathieu: they all say his weaknesses are his small size, durability is a concern, he's a slot CB only, man coverage limitations, unrefined technique, will get pushed around a lot by bigger WRs, and obvious maturity concerns. A lot of the magazines have him as a 4-6th rounder.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996674]Rambo is more likely of the 3.
Swearinger ins't going in the 6th.
We do have a 7th rounder, or did you just cut it short on purpose?[/quote]

Just decided to go 6 rounds even though I know Shanny can find some 7th round gems

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996674]Rambo is more likely of the 3.
Swearinger ins't going in the 6th.
We do have a 7th rounder, or did you just cut it short on purpose?[/quote]

Rambo has too many weaknesses. Fresno State's Phillip Thomas would be the better pick if Jonathan Cyprien is off the boards.