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One thing I've realized about football that separates it from other sports is that while there are plenty of good predictors of future performance, past performance isn't always the strongest. If you're talking about basketball, baseball, or hockey, it almost always is. In this way, football is different.

If you put a dollar value on Flacco's first five years in the league, he'd come in right around the $40 mil range. But I think his next five should be at least double that. And then when you get in to relative value of last years of contract, this contract ends up coming out pretty equal for both sides.

Three years from now, Flacco will still be one of the top five paid quarterbacks in the league, but not by much. In performance, he'll likely be one of the top five quarterbacks in the league, but again, not by much. Given that, the valuation seems pretty spot on by both sides.

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Or in short, I agree with Dirtbag.

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Flacco earned the contract he got. Good for him.

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[quote=Chico23231;996144]Never thought I'd say it, mistake by Ozzie Newsome. Highest paid player in NFL history? not close[/quote]

I think Ozzie knows what he' doing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;996170]So you would risk losing a QB that has led the team to multiple playoff appearances and just won a Super Bowl, just to say that you didn't overpay him? I'm sorry but I think Flacco had all the bargaining chips on this contract discussion.[/quote]

No, and I didn't say that.

I said he was being overpaid. Joe will be the higest paid player in the NFL next year, and will certainly not be the best player in the NFL. Thus in my opinion he will be overpaid.

With that being said, due to the gamble the Ravens took by not locking him up prior to this, they were forced to pay him the big bucks. I agree with the move, but I think he's being overpaid.

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21810958/report-cowboys-cut-gerald-sensabaugh]Cowboys cut Gerald Sensabaugh - CBSSports.com[/url]

damn it, hopefully they bring him back

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[quote=Chico23231;996311][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21810958/report-cowboys-cut-gerald-sensabaugh]Cowboys cut Gerald Sensabaugh - CBSSports.com[/url]

damn it, hopefully they bring him back[/quote]

Hopefully they will replace him with someone even worse. The Boys have so many problems up front on both sides of the ball, perhaps they will overlook safety.

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[quote=Chico23231;996311][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21810958/report-cowboys-cut-gerald-sensabaugh]Cowboys cut Gerald Sensabaugh - CBSSports.com[/url]

damn it, hopefully they bring him back[/quote]
Saw this coming. Word is Cowboys interviewed Kenny Vaccaro at the Combine and liked what they saw and heard. Rumors of course, but they might be targeting him in April.

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I am confident Jerra' will do the............right thing.

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Flacco's deal breakdown

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dxaetdv.png[/IMG]

They are screwed in 3 years.

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[quote=NC_Skins;996316]Flacco's deal breakdown

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dxaetdv.png[/IMG]

They are screwed in 3 years.[/quote]

They will restructure, it always works out that way.

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^ Yeah they'll deal with it in 3 years. Until then it's very manageable.

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If RG3 does what Flacco has done, that is...take his team to the playoffs for 5 straight years, a few conference championship games, a dropped pass and a missed chip shot fg away from a SB, and a SB MVP, everyone here would be saying he's well worth the money. It's not all about numbers. Flacco has started every game for 5 years in a row and it's that stability at QB that has a big influence on why they're in the playoffs every year. I hope RG3 can do what Joe Flacco has done.

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Dwayne Bowe signs a 5 year deal with KC according to Schefter.

They may use the franchise tag now on Branden Albert


EDIT

They DID use the tag on Branden Albert. Its done folks.

Luke Jockel may not go to KC now, but he could still go first if a team trades up for him.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;996343]Dwayne Bowe signs a 5 year deal with KC according to Schefter.

They may use the franchise tag now on Branden Albert[/QUOTE]

Crap

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996343]Dwayne Bowe signs a 5 year deal with KC according to Schefter.

They may use the franchise tag now on Branden Albert


EDIT

They DID use the tag on Branden Albert. Its done folks.

Luke Jockel may not go to KC now, but he could still go first if a team trades up for him.[/quote]

Boy, more good moves for the Chiefs. Albert has become a very good tackle, and people know about Bowe.

Reid gonna move back in the draft and pick up a better pick than the one he lost for Smith. Broncos better watch out this season, they were terribly overrated last year in the worst division in the league.

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[quote=donofriose;996318]They will restructure, it always works out that way.[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk;996324]^ Yeah they'll deal with it in 3 years. Until then it's very manageable.[/quote]

Even if they "restructure" it's still pushing that money on down the line. Eventually, it has to show up on the books.


Here is the thing. That team's window closed with this season. Reed/Lewis gone and with their cap, I'm not seeing that team going far. What if Flacco plays well below what he's being paid? You going to sign him for more years? Nope.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996343]They DID use the tag on Branden Albert. Its done folks.

Luke Jockel may not go to KC now, but he could still go first if a team trades up for him.[/quote]

I would not be surprised if they still drafted LJ with the#1 and moved him to right until it's time to cut Albert. You'd have two bookend tackles, and a future stud LT to boot. I would. Don't think anybody else is really worthy of that #1 spot. The top talent is so meh.....



Also, I hate when athletes say...."it's not about the money...it's about respect"

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9015523/joe-flacco-baltimore-ravens-says-feels-respected-new-deal]Joe Flacco of Baltimore Ravens says he feels respected with new deal - ESPN[/url]

GTFO of here. It's about the money asshole, just be honest.

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Interesting stuff, I guess this could also apply to RGIII.
[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-cornerback-chase-minnifield-looks-to-reconstruct-a-promising-career/article/2522977]Redskins cornerback Chase Minnifield looks to reconstruct a promising career | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

So ed Reed said he could win 2 SBs in
NEW ENGLAND. HMM he really wants to "stay " in Baltimore

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[quote=skinsfaninok;996367]So ed Reed said he could win 2 SBs in
NEW ENGLAND. HMM he really wants to "stay " in Baltimore[/quote]

Sounds like he feels under appreciated in Baltimore.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;996367]So ed Reed said he could win 2 SBs in
NEW ENGLAND. HMM he really wants to "stay " in Baltimore[/quote]

Hoody basically has a man crush on Ed Reed. If he doesn't stay in Balt then he's going to NE.

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[quote=warriorzpath;996370]Sounds like he feels under appreciated in Baltimore.[/quote]


Not sure what he's expecting. They aren't going to give a old ass safety big money, when they have several other players they need to resign.

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[quote=skinsfan69;996341]If RG3 does what Flacco has done, that is...take his team to the playoffs for 5 straight years, a few conference championship games, a dropped pass and a missed chip shot fg away from a SB, and a SB MVP, everyone here would be saying he's well worth the money. It's not all about numbers. Flacco has started every game for 5 years in a row and it's that stability at QB that has a big influence on why they're in the playoffs every year. I hope RG3 can do what Joe Flacco has done.[/quote]

Giving Flacco far too much credit for team accomplishments IMO.

Flacco is a cog in the system that is the Ravens, he's hardly the engine that makes it run. He's got a top 3 RB, and a downright dominant defense (even with an aging Ray Lewis). IF RG3 had the surroundings Flacco has and has had, he'd be winning a lot more than that.

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[quote=NC_Skins;996360]Even if they "restructure" it's still pushing that money on down the line. Eventually, it has to show up on the books.
[/quote]

Not necessarily. Flacco has only about 55 mil guaranteed IIRC, he practically makes that in his first three years, in fact I think he does. After he's received all that guaranteed money there's no money they HAVE to have on the books. Flacco will most likely re-structure at that point, getting more guaranteed money, but gain much less per year.

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[quote=Mahons21;996434]Not necessarily. Flacco has only about 55 mil guaranteed IIRC, he practically makes that in his first three years, in fact I think he does. After he's received all that guaranteed money there's no money they HAVE to have on the books. Flacco will most likely re-structure at that point, getting more guaranteed money, but gain much less per year.[/quote]



...and what if Flacco isn't performing well enough to warrant more "guaranteed" money of that magnitude. That 55 million still has to be accounted for, and that's the money I'm referring to. They'd still be missing 18.5 mil from that 55 million over the first 3 years. Now, if he's playing well, sure you restructure with more guaranteed money. If he's not, he's gone and you still have to eat 18.5mil.

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[quote=NC_Skins;996437]...and what if Flacco isn't performing well enough to warrant more "guaranteed" money of that magnitude. That 55 million still has to be accounted for, and that's the money I'm referring to. They'd still be missing 18.5 mil from that 55 million over the first 3 years. Now, if he's playing well, sure you restructure with more guaranteed money. If he's not, he's gone and you still have to eat 18.5mil.[/quote]

Okay, so worst case scenario they eat 18 mil, and that's if Flacco falls off a cliff.

If Flacco continues his play or slightly diminishes in his play, they can spread that 18 over 2-3 years, and possibly increase upon the 18.

Not that bad of a cap hit for the QB position.


EDIT: If he's making 50 million (including his signing bonus) in his first three years, why do they still owe him 18? Am I missing something? I thought his guaranteed number was like 55

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;996365]Interesting stuff, I guess this could also apply to RGIII.
[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-cornerback-chase-minnifield-looks-to-reconstruct-a-promising-career/article/2522977]Redskins cornerback Chase Minnifield looks to reconstruct a promising career | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/quote]

Fred - I thought the same thing when I read this. The only things I can point to as positives is that a. RG III doesn't have to run an cover like a corner and he didn't have micro fracture surgery which is why the road back to the football field will be tough for Chase.

I also didn't know that he tore his ACL, which doesn't nessecessarily make you believe he is someone we as a team can rely upon to bolster the secondary. When you look at Merriweather, TJ, and Chase there are way to many question marks with health and off field issues there. We obviously need to bolster those positions with healthy and good character talent.

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Mahons and NC Skins.

This article is perfect for you two.


[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/19105/what-if-joe-flacco-was-one-of-us]Joe Flacco's record-breaking contract talks in the real world - ESPN[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/mike-shanahan-kirk-cousins-a-first-round-talent/]Mike Shanahan: Kirk Cousins a first round talent | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mahons21;996431]Giving Flacco far too much credit for team accomplishments IMO.

Flacco is a cog in the system that is the Ravens, he's hardly the engine that makes it run. He's got a top 3 RB, and a downright dominant defense (even with an aging Ray Lewis). IF RG3 had the surroundings Flacco has and has had, he'd be winning a lot more than that.[/quote]

I think there's some truth to what you're saying. But Baltimore did not have a dominant defense this year. The offense was the better unit and Flacco was a big part of that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996493][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/mike-shanahan-kirk-cousins-a-first-round-talent/]Mike Shanahan: Kirk Cousins a first round talent | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

He needs Flacco money.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;996511]He needs Flacco money.[/quote]

haha

**We** need flacco money right now

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@howardeskin: I'm told #eagles will release CB Nnamdi Asomugha 2day after 2 yrs w team. He was to make 15 million this season. He does get 4 mill #fox29

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;996604]@howardeskin: I'm told #eagles will release CB Nnamdi Asomugha 2day after 2 yrs w team. He was to make 15 million this season. He does get 4 mill #fox29[/quote]

I bet hes having lunch with Bruce today.
:cool-smil

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Asomugha played horrible for Philly. I'm not sure if it was the scheme or whatever, but that signing did not work out. Plus, he tackled like a girl and that has nothing to do with coverages. He didn't want to hit anyone after he got paid. We don't need him.

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Trademark judges to hear new case vs Redskins name

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/trademark-judges-hear-case-vs-195833550--nfl.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

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I stopped reading the article when the woman who was quoted referenced drive by shootings as a comparison to the Redskins not changing their name. What an idiot. That is the absolute worst comparison arguement I have ever heard.

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Wow Eric Winston being released by the chiefs .

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Get ready for an Eric Winston recruiting fest part 2

He's being released by the chiefs per PFT