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[quote=punch it in;1051425]Im glad you finally realize that Shanny is a loser.[/quote]

Ive always been a realistic person. I supported Shanahan untill the club started having issues seeing eye to eye

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Complete control of their (false) image is apparently a primary goal at Redskins Park. Bullying the media and even the fans seems to be a part of the plan to control that image.

Who could forget the appalling sign and Tee-Shirt purge at the stadium at the end of the Vinny era. Then there was the taking away of the Washington Post's tickets, the law suit against the paper than published an unfavorable article about Dan Snyder, the favoritism shown to the Redskins' so-called "media partners", etc.

In short, I doubt that Dan Snyder would disapprove of Tony Wylie's snatching of this guy's press credentials.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1051472][YT]XvtnJG4JfDs#t=121[/YT][/quote]

John Tayman strikes again!

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[quote=NC_Skins;1051451]Can we start a thread called "Choose Your 2014 Redskins PR Staff!"? I don't get Tony Wyllie one bit. This guy has been a absolute train wreck ever since he's stepped foot in DC. Now his latest gaff is bullying a local reporter because he made a joke on twitter. REALLY?

[url=http://proplayerinsiders.com/journalist-need-know-washington-redskins-game/]Don't EVER Joke About The Washington Redskins[/url]



Smoot, I know you said this guy was respected, and I know I continue giving you hell whenever he steps in doo doo. There is nothing about this man's work that should be respected by anybody. If Tony's product was anything other than the NFL, he'd be fired by now. No way would some corporation allow their PR guy to continue to make them look bad with so many negative incidents.


So can this asshole be giving walking papers with Shanny and crew?[/quote]

Why do you care about the PR guy? SMH...

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[quote=NC_Skins;1051472][YT]XvtnJG4JfDs#t=121[/YT][/quote]

hilarious

and to the question above, pr person is a direct reflection of the organization.

Adam S says O'Brien to Houston

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051485]Adam S says O'Brien to Houston[/quote]

Well shit. He was starting to look like the best candidate but it seems we're too late.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051485]Adam S says O'Brien to Houston[/quote]

That means Lovie should be looking. Get him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1051402]Of course they will be! That is especially true of most media types. They somehow came to a consensus viewpoint on Dan Snyder and they have stuck to it for many years, regardless of any obvious changes that have occurred in the way he runs his franchise.

How good is the job? Well, to start with, there are only 32 NFL Head Coach jobs in the entire world! Only a small percentage of those jobs come open each year and the pool of jobs is more attractive in some years than in others.

This year, most of the job openings are not going to be very attractive, IMO. So, relatively speaking, the Redskins job would be more appealing this year than it would be in some other years. Because of this, I think that the Redskins will have many good candidates to choose from.[/quote]

The Redskins HC job hasn't looked better in years, in my opinion.

1) It's been over decade since the QB position has looked any better. Any coaching candidate has to be optimistic about RG3's future cosidering he'll have a full off-season to prepare with the knee injury well in the rear view mirror. And if something happens to him, KC has proven to plenty capable. And both are VERY YOUNG and mold-able with long careers ahead of them. And even if KC isn't part of the future plans, he should translate into an extra draft pick.

2) 21 of this year's 22 starters won the division JUST LAST YEAR.

3) There will be plenty of opportunities to upgrade the talent level and add depth with w/ a full salary cap and every draft pick available except the first rounder. In the new coaches second season and beyond, he'll have a full draft to work with.

4) MONEY - say what you want about Snyder, but he will spend on coaches.

5) Any team that isn't searching for a starting QB is NOT in full rebuild mode. If the Skins can just get to being middle of the pack in Defense and Special Teams, they can contend for the division and both are possible in just a single off-season.

6) They'll be playing a last place schedule next year. Only 2 games, but everything helps.

7) The Skins play in the worst division in the league with 2 of the 4 team's starting QBs at the tail end of their careers.

8) Offensive talent - Garcon will likely end the season as the league leader in receptions, RG3, TW, 1600 yard rusher, dynamic TE coming back. Hank time is still in the early stages of his career and could possibly take the next step next year. I think the Offense is a top 5-10 unit AS-IS, but some O-line help and maybe an upgrade at WR2 with RG3's continued development can make this a perenniel top 5 Offense.

9) The DC area and fanbase. The Redskins are one of the most valuable sports franchises IN THE WORLD. This ain't Jacksonville or some city that has to compete with baseball or basketball. The Redskins are the king of DC sports and it's not even close. You win here and you're a GOD.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051395]Rich Tandler posted this on FB

So, the popular narrative is that the Redskins won't be able to find a good coach because they have been unstable at the position since Snyder has owned the team.

But it must be noted that since 1999 the Redskins have had six coaches not counting 3-game interim Terry Robiskie. The Cowboys have had five; so have the Lions (plus two interims). Is there any talk that those teams won't be able to find a coach if they decide to make a move? And don't tell me Snyder meddles and then look at Jerry Jones and say a coach would be more comfortable under him. And the Ford family does zip.

Head coach of the Redskins might not be the ideal job. But most of the ideal jobs aren't open and aren't going to open. The Redskins have a potential star QB in Robert Griffin III, a decent amount of cap room this year and a pretty well set up for the cap going forward, and an owner who will spend.

Is the Vikings job better with Adrian Peterson perhaps slowing down with a ton of money left on his contract and no solution to the QB position on the roster?

How about the Jets with their QB mess and circus atmosphere that makes DC look tame?

The Redskins job is not for everyone. Evidently Tony Dungy isn't interested but nobody really asked him, either. Some will think that other options are better. But even though it may not be the plum job of the NFL, it's better than others that will be open.

I think people will be surprised at the amount of interest there is in the job.[/quote]

There is NO better option. Period. Houston has HUGE question marks at the QB position and until that position is settled, teams are in full-on rebuild mode. The chance to work with a young and dynamic QB that has elite potential should be enough all by itself. The reasons the Skins sucked so bad this year are extremely correctable and some, like the salary cap penalty, will work themselves out. Can't get much worse than 3-13 or 4-12, so the new coach has only upside ahead of him. Could be a great opportunity, in particular, for a college coach to make a name for himself.

People saying no one will want this job are ignorant. Only teams with crappy records look for new coaches, so they all appear to be bad jobs. The Skins HC position is as ideal as it gets.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051485]Adam S says O'Brien to Houston[/quote]

Have fun with that. QB situation is a mess. Foster is broken down and Andre Johnson is on the back-end of his career. That's a re-build situation.

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All excellent point 44Deezel.

To all the Lovie doubters:

If memory serves the ownership in Chicago was ultra cheap through most Lovie's tenure. I remember myriad sports observers say he didn't have a lot to work with. It makes sense looking at the minimal FA signings Chicago brought in over the years. Peppers and cutler notable exceptions, though cutler was mostly about draft picks. And I thought peppers was a risky signing.

Anyway, everyone says Lovie's guys play their hearts out for him. He's no-nonsense and wise enough to not be moved around by the media BS. Even if this isn't his dream job I think he would be perfect for it if that makes sense.

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[quote=The Goat;1051492]All excellent point 44Deezel.

To all the Lovie doubters:

If memory serves the ownership in Chicago was ultra cheap through most Lovie's tenure. I remember myriad sports observers say he didn't have a lot to work with. It makes sense looking at the minimal FA signings Chicago brought in over the years. Peppers and cutler notable exceptions, though cutler was mostly about draft picks. And I thought peppers was a risky signing.

Anyway, everyone says Lovie's guys play their hearts out for him. He's no-nonsense and wise enough to not be moved around by the media BS. Even if this isn't his dream job I think he would be perfect for it if that makes sense.[/quote]

Even though I am not a big fan of bringing Lovie in, it is interesting to note that for all the praise Trestman has gotten, the Bears actually finished with a better record under Lovie Smith last year than they will finish this year.

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With O'Brien going to Houston I guess I like a Hue Jackson and Lovie Smith or Whisenhut + Russ Grim/ Rex Ryan combination. Mike Shanahan may be here next year with Kubiak.

$13 Million is a lot of money to lose.

Not to mention the $6mil that the skins would have to pay to Penn State for O'Brien and then the cost for his staff and him. Too much cost. He may not ever have been a option for the skins.

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[quote=The Goat;1051492]All excellent point 44Deezel.

To all the Lovie doubters:

If memory serves the ownership in Chicago was ultra cheap through most Lovie's tenure. I remember myriad sports observers say he didn't have a lot to work with. It makes sense looking at the minimal FA signings Chicago brought in over the years. Peppers and cutler notable exceptions, though cutler was mostly about draft picks. And I thought peppers was a risky signing.

Anyway, everyone says Lovie's guys play their hearts out for him. He's no-nonsense and wise enough to not be moved around by the media BS. Even if this isn't his dream job I think he would be perfect for it if that makes sense.[/quote]

Lovie was given the talent to get it done and he couldn't take that next step. I think Lovie would be a much worse hire than Shanny.

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[quote=donofriose;1051493]Even though I am not a big fan of bringing Lovie in, it is interesting to note that for all the praise Trestman has gotten, the Bears actually finished with a better record under Lovie Smith last year than they will finish this year.[/quote]

And the defense went to trash overnight. Peppers is a good example. Notorious for not giving 100% and certainly dogging it this year, but Lovie got the most out of him. And same goes for all his guys. It's not like he had elite talent everywhere but produced some elite defenses.

So, bring in an offensive genius under Lovie and let the fun begin.

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Why is everyone taking this obrien to Houston talk at face value? There is no reason for this report to come out, other than if it's not true and one of the parties involved is trying to push a third party in a certain direction. For example, Houston leaks this story to pressure Lovie smith into signing their best offer. Or, obriens camp leaks this story to get some other team to up their offer. If anything, this report makes me think it's highly unlikely obrien is close to a deal with Houston.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1051497]Why is everyone taking this obrien to Houston talk at face value? There is no reason for this report to come out, other than if it's not true and one of the parties involved is trying to push a third party in a certain direction. For example, Houston leaks this story to pressure Lovie smith into signing their best offer. Or, obriens camp leaks this story to get some other team to up their offer. If anything, this report makes me think it's highly unlikely obrien is close to a deal with Houston.[/QUOTE]

Eh usually schefty is pretty spot on so I'm.trusting his word on this

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[quote=punch it in;1051396]My fucking dog could do better than Shanahan did here.[/quote]
I don't know the first thing about your dog, but I'm inclined to agree with this.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051498]Eh usually schefty is pretty spot on so I'm.trusting his word on this[/quote]

Reports already been refuted. Texans are interviewing multiple candidates next week.

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Is Brian Kelly being talked about as a possibility? I would think it wouldn't be a bad thing

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[quote=skinsfan69;1051481]Why do you care about the PR guy? SMH...[/quote]


If you have to even ask that question than I don't even know what to tell you. Our coach isn't the only thing that needs to be replaced in this organization. As long as this organization continues to be a joke, we'll continue getting the 2nd hand coaches that only want to come here for a paycheck.

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Bill Snyder.

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1051506]Bill Snyder.[/QUOTE]

He's 90

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051507]He's 90[/quote]

He could be the grandfatherly figure Bob needs to help regain his precision passing. Kinda like Yoda and Luke.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051507]He's 90[/quote]

Fine Bill Cosby.

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I think that the Redskins should take a long look at the pool of minority candidates. I'm not talking about the spirit of the Rooney Rule, "doing the right thing" socially, or anything like that. I mean that in their own self-interest the Redskins should do this.

My reason is very simple. I believe that minorities are significantly under-represented in the NFL Head Coaching ranks. If you think of the search for a HC like it is prospecting for gold, then you don't want to stake a claim where the gold is played out. You want to mine in an area where there is still plenty of gold in the ground.

If NFL teams had done their homework on minority candidates before now, there wouldn't even be a Rooney Rule. So, I think that some of the better HC candidates are likely to be found among overlooked minority coaches.

To me, it makes little sense to sift through the usual re-cycled candidates because you're unlikely to find gold there. Instead, look somewhere that is likely to have big, shiny undiscovered nuggets.

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[quote=Chico23231;1051503]Is Brian Kelly being talked about as a possibility? I would think it wouldn't be a bad thing[/quote]

Not seriously as far as I know, but a little bit. He's a dark horse candidate for sure

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051501]Reports already been refuted. Texans are interviewing multiple candidates next week.[/quote]

Schefter and Mort said the Texans have interviews lined up for next week so what is being refuted?

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Is there a chance that we can land O'brien?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1051515]I think that the Redskins should take a long look at the pool of minority candidates. I'm not talking about the spirit of the Rooney Rule, "doing the right thing" socially, or anything like that. I mean that in their own self-interest the Redskins should do this.

My reason is very simple. I believe that minorities are significantly under-represented in the NFL Head Coaching ranks. If you think of the search for a HC like it is prospecting for gold, then you don't want to stake a claim where the gold is played out. You want to mine in an area where there is still plenty of gold in the ground.

If NFL teams had done their homework on minority candidates before now, there wouldn't even be a Rooney Rule. So, I think that some of the better HC candidates are likely to be found among overlooked minority coaches.

To me, it makes little sense to sift through the usual re-cycled candidates because you're unlikely to find gold there. Instead, look somewhere that is likely to have big, shiny undiscovered nuggets.[/quote]

Your logic makes no sense. It implies that there are more hidden gems out there amongst minorities than non minorities. And that's simply not true. Given that there are more non-minority coaches out there, there are likely more hidden gems amongst them.

The coaching search should look at all candidates regardless of race. In fact, if race is even a small factor in the search, then Snyder and Allen are doing a disservice to the franchise. Interview the best candidates, and hire based on merits and merits alone.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051517]Schefter and Mort said the Texans have interviews lined up for next week so what is being refuted?[/quote]

SkinsfanOK said schefty reported "obrien to Houston" as if it was a done deal. That's what I was responding too.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051530]Your logic makes no sense. It implies that there are more hidden gems out there amongst minorities than non minorities. And that's simply not true. Given that there are more non-minority coaches out there, there are likely more hidden gems amongst them.

The coaching search should look at all candidates regardless of race. In fact, if race is even a small factor in the search, then Snyder and Allen are doing a disservice to the franchise. Interview the best candidates, and hire based on merits and merits alone.[/quote]

He is trying to imply that minority coaches aren't being "mined" at all compared to finding needle in the haystack among Caucasian candidates.

NFL owners are very unoriginal and rarely take risks, They've been picking apart coaching trees for decades.
during the 80's and 90's, every owner had to have a coach from the Bill Walsh coaching tree.
Then Parcells hit it big and they wanted Parcells guys. In the last decade it was Belichick guys and they bombed in the NFL and college.
There isn't a dominant system in the NFL anymore, it seems like everyone has a watered down form of the west coast offense.

Snyder gambled when he hired Spurrier and Zorn. They both didn't have a proven NFL background.
Then he plays it ultra safe with Shanahan and it completely back fires.

I want fresh blood in here. I want a guy that isn't scared to move away from the norm. Hopefully Snyder can find the next innovator.


[IMG]http://www.myveryownsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BillWalshCoachingTree.jpg[/IMG]

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Yeah I really don't care about the coaching tree stuff. We need some coaches in here that are teachers first, can make in game/halftime adjustments. A few names that might make sense... Hue Jackson, Mike Zimmer, Ken Wisenhunt, Todd Boles....

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[quote=jamf;1051533]He is trying to imply that minority coaches aren't being "mined" at all compared to finding needle in the haystack among Caucasian candidates.[/quote]

That is correct. Thank you for assuring me that I made my point clearly.

As I said, it's not about race. I did not intend to imply that the Skins should only look at minority candidates. I just want the best HC that can be found and I have hunch where that may be.

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[quote=The Goat;1051488]That means Lovie should be looking. Get him.[/quote]

If Lovie is so great then why are the Texans passing on him? I say that speaks volumes.

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[quote=Lotus;1051370]I'm not sure that I get the love for Lovie. In 9 seasons in Chicago:

wins 81
wins per year 9
losses 63
win pct. .563

3 playoffs in 9 years
playoffs win pct. .500
1 conference championship

That is an average to a bit above average record to me. But it is nothing that great. 2 out of every 3 years as a coach he watched the playoffs from the couch just like me.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SmitLo0.htm]Lovie Smith Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]

hell of alot better than shanahan post 1998.

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We could do worse than Lovie. But I think we can also do better.

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[html][/html][quote=SFREDSKIN;1051550]If Lovie is so great then why are the Texans passing on him? I say that speaks volumes.[/quote]

Who says the texans are passing on him? All reports you hear right now are BS

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[quote=Mattyk;1051599]We could do worse than Lovie. But I think we can also do better.[/quote]

IMO Lovie is less of a risk. We can't afford to take big risks at this point. Lovies an excellent proven head coach who commands respect. Pair him with an offensive coordinator who can get rg3 to accept coaching and become a better player, and we have a recipe for success