[QUOTE=punch it in;1048942]I disagree with this. He has completely resigned himself as a "football" person. Jerry jones on the other hand.....[/QUOTE]

Again jerry Jones knows the game of football he played D1 football at Arkansas and was always around big.time coaches to be , he's also won 3 rings , people act like that didn't happen

[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;1048872]Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Just wow. How quickly you forget.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1048944]Again jerry Jones knows the game of football he played D1 football at Arkansas and was always around big.time coaches to be , he's also won 3 rings , people act like that didn't happen[/QUOTE]

So you think he is a good gm?????!!!!!?????
He won three rings because he didnt have his hands all up in the cookie jar. It was all JJ as in jimmy johnson, not jerrah jones. The guy spent years putting the pieces in place for a 3-4, than hires 102 year old monte kiffin to put in place a tampa 2. Everyone in the world knows he is the reason the cowboys cant get over the hump. He is a stubborn jackass that makes me feel giddy about having DS as an owner. And thats not easy to do!
Edit: their are literally thousands of d-1 football players in the world that have no business being GM's in the NFL. Jerry Jones is one of them.
Edit 2: Okie, sometimes I think anybody from the midwest gets entirely too much love from you. ;)

[QUOTE=punch it in;1048946]So you think he is a good gm?????!!!!!?????
He won three rings because he didnt have his hands all up in the cookie jar. It was all JJ as in jimmy johnson, not jerrah jones. The guy spent years putting the pieces in place for a 3-4, than hires 102 year old monte kiffin to put in place a tampa 2. Everyone in the world knows he is the reason the cowboys cant get over the hump. He is a stubborn jackass that makes me feel giddy about having DS as an owner. And thats not easy to do!
Edit: their are literally thousands of d-1 football players in the world that have no business being GM's in the NFL. Jerry Jones is one of them.
Edit 2: Okie, sometimes I think anybody from the midwest gets entirely too much love from you. ;)[/QUOTE]

Lol not loving the guy believe me but I just think he doesn't get enough credit sometimes, he's won 3 rings the only.other owner right now is kraft that can match it. Is he a genius? Nope but he knows way more than Dan does and if he doesn't then Dan must have the worst luck

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1048947]Lol not loving the guy believe me but I just think he doesn't get enough credit sometimes, he's won 3 rings the only.other owner right now is kraft that can match it. Is he a genius? Nope but he knows way more than Dan does and if he doesn't then Dan must have the worst luck[/QUOTE]


If Dan won 3 rings, I would be happy with whatever he did. Unfortunately Dan can't get out of his own way..



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I think Dan has handled the current situation quite well.

[QUOTE=Brody81;1048951]If Dan won 3 rings, I would be happy with whatever he did. Unfortunately Dan can't get out of his own way..



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Yeah 2 division titles in what now 17 years? It's been sad

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1048952]I think Dan has handled the current situation quite well.[/QUOTE]

I think hes handled the last four years quite well.
Edit: thats MS legacy- he managed to convince DS to take a step back.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1048953]Yeah 2 division titles in what now 17 years? It's been sad[/QUOTE]

14. Lol

[QUOTE=punch it in;1048959]14. Lol[/QUOTE]

Tomato tamato

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1048960]Tomato tamato[/QUOTE]

Lol

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[quote=SBXVII;1048009]Everyone naturally assumes starting Cousins is for two reasons

1- to keep RG3 healthy
2- to showcase Cousins for trade bait

But what if MS is trying to prove to DS that Cousins is better and can lead this team? If Cousins does well and the team wins.... do we keep MS for the final year, drop the read option, and start Cousins?[/quote]

I firmly believe this is exactly what is going on, Shanny wanted Capt Kirk from jump but Snyder forced the more glamorous RGIII pick,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ha conspiracy theory on the floor.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048873]The roster is very weak, especially in terms of depth. One more draft isn't going to cover up the deficiencies on the team, even with cap space for FA signings.[/quote]

LOL, this is what we said almost 5 years ago when shannashit took over. This guy just needs to go the fuck away from here. Again with the "couple more years" shit. He even had the rookie of the fuckin century last year, and managed to fuck that up like a meth addict trying to stay on topic.

So sick of Mike fuckin Shanahan. Just an overrated Garbage coach. Can we now safely say that he TRULY hasn't done a squirts shit without John Fucking Elway? Is it safe to say that around here now without getting fucking stoned in a circle?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048872]Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.[/quote]

Sorry, but I've kept my fucking mouth shut too long listening to this subject to abstain any longer.

RG3 is Daniel Snyders fucking hope, his REAL chance at turning the corner in this tuff ass league. He is his brand new shiny toy with dreadlocks (or cornrows, I dont know the difference.) If Mike Shanahan thinks that an owner that has been fucking JONESIN' for a REAL FRANCHISE QB like Snyder has been isn't going to treat him to thhe fucking moon, then number one - your a fucking idiot, and number two - fuckin deal with it. Jesus H Christ, acting like the fact that Daniel Snyder gives RG3's wife his chaeuffer or took him out to dinner a dozen times, fucking a DOZEN DOZEN times matters a fuck. You have had carte blanche, you fucked up Snyders brand new toy, your drafts have sucked, and now, in year four, 3 of those years with 10 + losses, you all of a sudden want to act like its RG3 or the owners fault? I swear Mike Shanahan is reminding me like a spurned little bitch that is jealous of her boyfriends female friend. Grow a fucking sac, man the fuck up and quit making excuses, dodging the real issues (Your son, clock managment, horrible FA acquisitions and drafts, questionable staff additions, I could go on forever.....) and get the fuck out of here with at least a shred of dignity, and without turning everyone on each other. JUST FUCKIN LEAVE, my god.

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So I guess we don't have a language filter here anymore

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049656]Sorry, but I've kept my fucking mouth shut too long listening to this subject to abstain any longer.

RG3 is Daniel Snyders fucking hope, his REAL chance at turning the corner in this tuff ass league. He is his brand new shiny toy with dreadlocks (or cornrows, I dont know the difference.) If Mike Shanahan thinks that an owner that has been fucking JONESIN' for a REAL FRANCHISE QB like Snyder has been isn't going to treat him to thhe fucking moon, then number one - your a fucking idiot, and number two - fuckin deal with it. Jesus H Christ, acting like the fact that Daniel Snyder gives RG3's wife his chaeuffer or took him out to dinner a dozen times, fucking a DOZEN DOZEN times matters a fuck. You have had carte blanche, you fucked up Snyders brand new toy, your drafts have sucked, and now, in year four, 3 of those years with 10 + losses, you all of a sudden want to act like its RG3 or the owners fault? I swear Mike Shanahan is reminding me like a spurned little bitch that is jealous of her boyfriends female friend. Grow a fucking sac, man the fuck up and quit making excuses, dodging the real issues (Your son, clock managment, horrible FA acquisitions and drafts, questionable staff additions, I could go on forever.....) and get the fuck out of here with at least a shred of dignity, and without turning everyone on each other. JUST FUCKIN LEAVE, my god.[/quote]

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I'm sorry everyone for my profanity. I've just had a bad day. Again, I'll try not to rant so much in the future.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049656]Sorry, but I've kept my fucking mouth shut too long listening to this subject to abstain any longer.

RG3 is Daniel Snyders fucking hope, his REAL chance at turning the corner in this tuff ass league. He is his brand new shiny toy with dreadlocks (or cornrows, I dont know the difference.) If Mike Shanahan thinks that an owner that has been fucking JONESIN' for a REAL FRANCHISE QB like Snyder has been isn't going to treat him to thhe fucking moon, then number one - your a fucking idiot, and number two - fuckin deal with it. Jesus H Christ, acting like the fact that Daniel Snyder gives RG3's wife his chaeuffer or took him out to dinner a dozen times, fucking a DOZEN DOZEN times matters a fuck. You have had carte blanche, you fucked up Snyders brand new toy, your drafts have sucked, and now, in year four, 3 of those years with 10 + losses, you all of a sudden want to act like its RG3 or the owners fault? I swear Mike Shanahan is reminding me like a spurned little bitch that is jealous of her boyfriends female friend. Grow a fucking sac, man the fuck up and quit making excuses, dodging the real issues (Your son, clock managment, horrible FA acquisitions and drafts, questionable staff additions, I could go on forever.....) and get the fuck out of here with at least a shred of dignity, and without turning everyone on each other. JUST FUCKIN LEAVE, my god.[/quote]

Get 'em.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1049657]So I guess we don't have a language filter here anymore[/quote]

Felt like I was watching Scarface for a second.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1049657]So I guess we don't have a language filter here anymore[/quote]

I know that was bad, I do apologize. But Jesus fucking christ Mike Shanahan pisses me the fuck off.








ok, I'm done.



But he does really make me fucking sick to my stomach........literally.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049656]#$@@& ***(@#&&!!!! @#&@&@***&!!!!!!! @&@&*&!!!!! and *!##$!!!!!![/quote]
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[quote=Mechanix544;1049656]Sorry, but I've kept my fucking mouth shut too long listening to this subject to abstain any longer.

RG3 is Daniel Snyders fucking hope, his REAL chance at turning the corner in this tuff ass league. He is his brand new shiny toy with dreadlocks (or cornrows, I dont know the difference.) If Mike Shanahan thinks that an owner that has been fucking JONESIN' for a REAL FRANCHISE QB like Snyder has been isn't going to treat him to thhe fucking moon, then number one - your a fucking idiot, and number two - fuckin deal with it. Jesus H Christ, acting like the fact that Daniel Snyder gives RG3's wife his chaeuffer or took him out to dinner a dozen times, fucking a DOZEN DOZEN times matters a fuck. You have had carte blanche, you fucked up Snyders brand new toy, your drafts have sucked, and now, in year four, 3 of those years with 10 + losses, you all of a sudden want to act like its RG3 or the owners fault? I swear Mike Shanahan is reminding me like a spurned little bitch that is jealous of her boyfriends female friend. Grow a fucking sac, man the fuck up and quit making excuses, dodging the real issues (Your son, clock managment, horrible FA acquisitions and drafts, questionable staff additions, I could go on forever.....) and get the fuck out of here with at least a shred of dignity, and without turning everyone on each other. JUST FUCKIN LEAVE, my god.[/quote]

Just awesome. Didnt know there was a gear higher than beast mode. Poetic

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[quote=SmootSmack;1049657]So I guess we don't have a language filter here anymore[/quote]

Just when you thought we didn't need it and could act like adults.

Sigh.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1048900]So the sentiment i'm seeing here - Have redskins nation gave up on RG3?

I mean it seems factual that he may have some character issues, might have a problem accepting blame and/or taking responsibility, and it seems that he has a tight relationship with team owner.

Are these problems too great to overcome? It seems alot of people are throwing dirt on Griffin right now, and he seems to be doing very little to try and change any one's opinion of him....[/quote]I have not given up on Robert.

I haven't posted here that much this season because I've just been so disappointed, and this place isn't really the best spot to try and keep perspective because of all the passion. With this awful season following the amazing one we had last year that ended the way it did, I knew everything I was feeling would only be amplified to the [I]n[/I]th power here so I could only lurk and very briefly at that.

I was reading [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10121701/nfl-rg-iii-victim-own-swagger"]Jason Whitlock's article[/URL] today and it reminded me why I stay the hell away from ESPN and why I stayed away from this place. Whitlock's argument and some of what I've glimpsed here is bogus. The main reason is that when it comes this "swagger" talk it's always in reference to a specific type of young athlete (you figure out the type; should be easy).[quote=Whitlock]...he spent the entire offseason rehabilitating his swagger than humbly preparing for....[/quote]What does this mean and how does Whitlock know this? How do you "rehabilitate your swagger"? It's garbage, and it's a sentiment I've seen expressed here on this site. I don't know what this means and even if it [I]did[/I] mean something how would Whitlock or anyone else know this to be true?[quote=Whitlock]...Griffin's goal of playing during the preseason and being the opening day starter were fueled by arrogance, lack of self-awareness and insecurity...[/quote]Again, a totally pejorative and baseless sentiment, and one I've seen expressed here as I've lurked off and on during the season. We have no facts to prove this, and that is the definition of baseless.

[B][I]Why not take the position that his goal was a selfless goal fueled by the desire to be there for his team?[/I][/B] IMO, the sentiment expressed in that quote that I've seen expressed here in different ways by a few is borderline racist, and definitely prejudiced.[quote=Whitlock]He spent the offseason making commercials and documentaries hyping his swagger...[/quote]I hate this argument most of all, and it's a frequent one here, too.

When these athletes pursue these monetary opportunities they are often blamed. But what is ignored is that athletes' agents are the ones who gain the most monetarily. It's the agents who most vigorously pursue these opportunities. Do you think Robert went to Subway, Inc. asking to do a commercial for them? And in reference to the documentary ... if Luck did an off-season documentary, based on anything ... do you really think he would've been killed in the media about it?

The only thing more insufferable is that it's the media who created the RGIII persona and us, the fans, who embraced it. The media is the biggest factor in his exultation ... he did not do it all on his own.[quote=Whitlock]Anyone who witnessed Griffin's week 1, flag carrying, drop-to-his-knees, pregame jaunt...[/quote]I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Robert didn't ask to carry the flag. I'll give 8-1 odds that he was appointed to do it.[quote=Whitlock]He lost his swagger...[/quote]I doubt that.

So much of the argument, here and elsewhere, against Robert is personal bullshit, without any foundation in knowledge that anyone could possibly have and that defies everything we DO know about him, and totally ignores what he did last year and the toll the injury and rehab likely put on him and his game.

I sure as shit am not kicking him to the curb. What he did at Baylor and last year with this team isn't a fluke. He's had a bad season. Let's see what happens next year and throw away the unknowable and personal garbage that doesn't have to do with observable on-the-field issues (pocket presence and mechanics being the main issues) that we KNOW.

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I don't want the only thing I take out of your post to be,"who cares what Jason Whitlock thinks" but damn. The only thing Jason Whitlock cares about is page views. I think he starts mentally writing every article by asking himself what angle nobody else has taken yet. And then he throws phrases in there like "RG3 spent his offseason rehabbing his swagger" because he knows that will get clicks. I wonder who his sources are, or if he even has any. TL;DR: his opinions are not worth my time.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1049657]So I guess we don't have a language filter here anymore[/QUOTE]

Lmfao

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1049661]Felt like I was watching Scarface for a second.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha or P T and A when he Wants a new rental haha

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1049657]So I guess we don't have a language filter here anymore[/QUOTE]


And your giving me shit..;-) crap, I said shit :-(


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So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049656]Sorry, but I've kept my fucking mouth shut too long listening to this subject to abstain any longer.

RG3 is Daniel Snyders fucking hope, his REAL chance at turning the corner in this tuff ass league. He is his brand new shiny toy with dreadlocks (or cornrows, I dont know the difference.) If Mike Shanahan thinks that an owner that has been fucking JONESIN' for a REAL FRANCHISE QB like Snyder has been isn't going to treat him to thhe fucking moon, then number one - your a fucking idiot, and number two - fuckin deal with it. Jesus H Christ, acting like the fact that Daniel Snyder gives RG3's wife his chaeuffer or took him out to dinner a dozen times, fucking a DOZEN DOZEN times matters a fuck. You have had carte blanche, you fucked up Snyders brand new toy, your drafts have sucked, and now, in year four, 3 of those years with 10 + losses, you all of a sudden want to act like its RG3 or the owners fault? I swear Mike Shanahan is reminding me like a spurned little bitch that is jealous of her boyfriends female friend. Grow a fucking sac, man the fuck up and quit making excuses, dodging the real issues (Your son, clock managment, horrible FA acquisitions and drafts, questionable staff additions, I could go on forever.....) and get the fuck out of here with at least a shred of dignity, and without turning everyone on each other. JUST FUCKIN LEAVE, my god.[/quote]
ok......so you'll have a few things to....chat about at confession this week.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049659]I'm sorry everyone for my profanity. I've just had a bad day. Again, I'll try not to rant so much in the future.[/quote]

Profanity has its place, and you found it lol.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049714]So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.[/quote]

I'm a firm believer in numbers. 86% of the time they are correct all the time.
That being said, griffin has played dynamically in 50% of his nfl career, and bewn very sub par the other 50%. Numbers aren't in the business of making excuses...that's a job for words. I'm not going to get into o line or injury or any such business of words.
If he reaches 8 games next year posting the same type of numbers as this year, I say pull the plug and try to salvage what's left.
I'm not sure what I like more rgIII, or the idea of a eutopian rgIII. Winning games trumps all, though.

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If you base all your decisions on numbers..........it is a blessing you will not be making any decisions regarding the team.........

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049714]So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.[/quote]

You give him a 3rd year. I feel a lot of what is wrong with RG3 is due to his mechanics and reads. I think a good quarterback coach can fix that. Plus a lot of really good QBs made the "jump" in their third year.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049656]Sorry, but I've kept my fucking mouth shut too long listening to this subject to abstain any longer.

RG3 is Daniel Snyders fucking hope, his REAL chance at turning the corner in this tuff ass league. He is his brand new shiny toy with dreadlocks (or cornrows, I dont know the difference.) If Mike Shanahan thinks that an owner that has been fucking JONESIN' for a REAL FRANCHISE QB like Snyder has been isn't going to treat him to thhe fucking moon, then number one - [B]your[/B] a fucking idiot, and number two - fuckin deal with it. Jesus H Christ, acting like the fact that Daniel Snyder gives RG3's wife his chaeuffer or took him out to dinner a dozen times, fucking a DOZEN DOZEN times matters a fuck. You have had carte blanche, you fucked up Snyders brand new toy, your drafts have sucked, and now, in year four, 3 of those years with 10 + losses, you all of a sudden want to act like its RG3 or the owners fault? I swear Mike Shanahan is reminding me like a spurned little bitch that is jealous of her boyfriends female friend. Grow a fucking sac, man the fuck up and quit making excuses, dodging the real issues (Your son, clock managment, horrible FA acquisitions and drafts, questionable staff additions, I could go on forever.....) and get the fuck out of here with at least a shred of dignity, and without turning everyone on each other. JUST FUCKIN LEAVE, my god.[/quote]


*You're. Sorry, just had to.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049714]So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.[/quote]


I think you trade him because his value won't be any higher, one thing that has helped a lot of younger QBs is having that veteran backup to help mentor them. Hasselbeck did it for Luck, Griff never had that. So I think we should trade Kirk for a 2nd and a 3rd and sign a potential veteran backup. That can't hurt.

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You forget about Rex?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1049772]You forget about Rex?[/quote]


Nah, just chose not to include him. I meant as a primary backup but yeah Rex fits that mold.

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[url=http://realredskins.com/2013/12/17/need-to-know-shanahan-says-redskins-offense-did-not-change-for-cousins/?ocid=yahoo]Need to Know: Shanahan says Redskins’ offense did not change for Cousins | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Just some notes about Shanny's presser yesterday, in case it wasn't talked about.

[QUOTE=Hog1;1049761]If you base all your decisions on numbers..........it is a blessing you will not be making any decisions regarding the team.........[/QUOTE]

Yeah because than someone might add up all of Shannys wins and losses and shitcan his dumb.....
Hey wait a minute?