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Holy Cow! That's a beast move right there!

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FILO or Cyrus there would be huge

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Trade down get Moses and Hageman. Wishing with finger crossed. Is that possible?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1070768]Wouldn't be a back pick at all but between the developmental prospects already at Guard and the lack of Tackle depth on the roster I think Filo would be kind of a luxury pick. Not that Gettis and company will be better then Sua-Filo but I think that unless they see a future Randy Thomas like player I'd say go for the tackle.[/quote]

I don't get why upgrading a position is considered a luxury. Our interior has been lackluster for ages. It's been so long since we've had a good offensive line I truly believe many of you don't know what one looks like.

The last time this team had a dominant offensive line we one three Super Bowls with three different QB's. Get with the program people. You are not a dominant unit with one player out of five.

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Cyrus is s-o-o-o-o-o s-l-o-o-o-o-w. Should I be concerned about that?

Otherwise, he is huge, powerful, smart, and he has a mean streak. He looks like a bookend to Trent. I really want a nasty OL in this draft.

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I keep reading analysts talking about whether prospects would fit in the redskins zone blocking scheme. Is that part of Gruden's scheme? Have they said for sure that zone blocking will continue to be part of our offensive scheme?

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yeah gruden said they'd be keeping it, and they kept the OL coach too.

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My first preference would be a trade down. There are no fewer than 6 players (Kouandijo, Moses, Bitonio, Van Noy, Su-a-Filo, Attaochu) that are left that could step in and make an immediate impact. If they can move down once, maybe twice and pick up additional picks in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round that would be huge.

If they are stuck at 34, get Kouandijo as long as you're convinced the knee is sound and not a Malcolm Kelly situation. That may scare them towards Moses who I think has bigger bust potential not to mention I'm not sure I can stand 10 years of announcers thinking they're clever with 'watch Moses open up that running lane like he's parting the Red Sea!'.

Dream haul would be Bitonio in the early 40's and Attaochu in the mid 50's.

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[quote=Paintrain;1070836]My first preference would be a trade down. There are no fewer than 6 players (Kouandijo, Moses, Bitonio, Van Noy, Su-a-Filo, Attaochu) that are left that could step in and make an immediate impact. If they can move down once, maybe [B]twice[/B] and pick up additional picks in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round that would be huge.

If they are stuck at 34, get Kouandijo as long as you're convinced the knee is sound and not a Malcolm Kelly situation. That may scare them towards Moses who I think has bigger bust potential not to mention I'm not sure I can stand 10 years of announcers thinking they're clever with 'watch Moses open up that running lane like he's parting the Red Sea!'.

Dream haul would be Bitonio in the early 40's and Attaochu in the mid 50's.[/quote]

Move down [U]twice[/U]?! Are you trying to give me a heart attack? I'll be watching, you know. I'm pretty sure I can't stand to wtach the Skins move down twice. If they do, I'm afraid I'll be a victim of draft stress before the Skins pick.

If they move down from #34, maybe I'll just watch the NBA playoffs and then check back on the draft late in the evening. It's a matter of survival, man.

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Louis Nix, Timmy Jernigan, or Cyrus Kouandjio. Oh my, I just pitched a tent!

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Louis Nix looks like a clone of Vince Wilfork. At least in the face.

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If Houston takes Su'a-Filo, we need to trade back several spots, likely with a team who wants a QB. We could trade back, get another pick in the 3rd(laugh at me if that's outrageous; what do you think we could get for a trade back?), and still have one of those top rated players available.

Su'a-Filo is an excellent OG, and he's got a nasty streak on the field. He would likely be our best interior lineman by the end of the year.

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[quote=Paintrain;1070836]My first preference would be a trade down. There are no fewer than 6 players (Kouandijo, Moses, Bitonio, Van Noy, Su-a-Filo, Attaochu) that are left that could step in and make an immediate impact. If they can move down once, maybe twice and pick up additional picks in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round that would be huge.

If they are stuck at 34, get Kouandijo as long as you're convinced the knee is sound and not a Malcolm Kelly situation. That may scare them towards Moses who I think has bigger bust potential not to mention I'm not sure I can stand 10 years of announcers thinking they're clever with 'watch Moses open up that running lane like he's parting the Red Sea!'.

Dream haul would be Bitonio in the early 40's and Attaochu in the mid 50's.[/quote]

I like the trade down, even trade down twice, idea.

Although, as KI Skins Fan has said, it will be frustrating to watch.

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i definitely would be ok with one trade down, maybe with Tampa Bay. I wouldn't want to go much further down.

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[quote=Lotus;1070845]I like the trade down, even trade down twice, idea.

Although, as KI Skins Fan has said, it will be frustrating to watch.[/quote]

im not a big fan of moving down too much or just moving down to move down.

id personally rather have a 2nd rounder vs 2 4th rounders.

i dont mind moving down a few spots but i want to walk away from the draft with at least one penciled-in starter vs a handful of potential contributors.

go get talent.

talent wins.

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[quote=over the mountain;1070848]im not a big fan of moving down too much or just moving down to move down.

id personally rather have a 2nd rounder vs 2 4th rounders.

i dont mind moving down a few spots but i want to walk away from the draft with at least one penciled-in starter vs a handful of potential contributors.

go get talent.

talent wins.[/quote]

the Redskins have plenty of needs, and there is plenty of depth in this draft. It is erroneous to assume pick #40 is automatically worse than #34.

A trade down from #34 will get much more than 2 4th rounders. It could add a late 2nd and a 3rd.

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Draft value chart for those interested in moving down.

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php]Walters Football Site: NFL Draft Value Chart[/url]

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Moses and the rest is gravy.

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Or move up a few spots from early 3rd round to late second?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070852]the Redskins have plenty of needs, and there is plenty of depth in this draft. It is erroneous to assume pick #40 is automatically worse than #34.

A trade down from #34 will get much more than 2 4th rounders. It could add a late 2nd and a 3rd.[/quote]

According to ye olde trade chart we'd need to move down to the mid-second to pick up a late third. But that's just a guideline and it doesn't consider how keen the other team is to move up. If another team is after a QB, we could conceivably move down 8-10 spots and get a mid-third or more. That might be a good move depending on what our draft board looks like.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1070857]According to ye olde trade chart we'd need to move down to the mid-second to pick up a late third. But that's just a guideline and it doesn't consider how keen the other team is to move up. If another team is after a QB, we could conceivably move down 8-10 spots and get a mid-third or more. That might be a good move depending on what our draft board looks like.[/quote]

did the draft chart say Buffalo would have to give up a 2015 1st and 3rd or 4th (?) to move up a few spots.... as you said it is just a guideline

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070852]the Redskins have plenty of needs, and there is plenty of depth in this draft. It is erroneous to assume pick #40 is automatically worse than #34.

A trade down from #34 will get much more than 2 4th rounders. It could add a late 2nd and a 3rd.[/quote]

I can't imagine a scenario where a team would give us a late 2nd and a 3rd, and we would walk away with either a starting RT or FS (which I is about the only way I give this draft more than just an average grade). For example, going from 34 to 38(Tampa) would only yield a 5th based on the chart, maybe you get a high fourth if Tampa is really hungry. But going past 38 lessens the chance, imo, of getting a starting RT, or FS. Not that there isn't rough talent deep into the 3rd, but from 40 - 80 is not guaranteed NFL starters, and while I like how are staff looks, we haven't yet proven ourselves to be a team that can properly identify and develop mid-level talent in any position group.

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i say get bitonio with 34, trade up into the mid - late second from the third, and try to grab the best lb or corner available, whichever is rated higher on their boards, snag him. Hopefully scrape two starters from a ho hum draft.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070860]did the draft chart say Buffalo would have to give up a 2015 1st and 3rd or 4th (?) to move up a few spots.... as you said it is just a guideline[/quote]

I would say the 1st 10 picks or so are worth whatever a team wants to pay, because that's the elite of elite talent. Can't use that as a guide for a top of 2nd round pick. [LIST][*]1 The eagles, by chart should have gotten 80 points of value, but Cleveland - who needed the 1500 season tix sold LOL and has picks to burn - gave them 180 points for Johnny Football.[*]2 Seattle's trade was 590 points of value given up by Seattle, and 578 points of value given up by Minnesota, and that was to move in to the 1st round, get a 5th year option, and get a noted qb.[*]3 Saints moved from 27 to 20, or 170 point difference, and gave up their 3rd round pick worth 136 points, or 34 points less then the chart would have said, so Arizona basically lost out on getting an extra 5th rounder, good trade for the Saints[/LIST]
At this point in the game, a chart based trade is a good deal, (which for us would be a 5th rounder to go back 4 spaces).

for reference, if we drop back 12 spots, we should get 120 points back. 120 points is the 2nd to last pick of the 3rd round. I don't want us dropping 12 spots just to get a late 3rd round guy in this draft.

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We got to protect RGIII so I gotta go Moses or Cyrus Kouandjio

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Again with the chart as a reference, giving up our 6th round pick would move our 3rd round pick up to around the 28-30th pick of the 2nd, and I do think those 6 spots might be worth it. although if I remember right there is a quirk in the CBA that actually makes 3rd round draft pick contracts more team friendly and that might gain us a spot or two if some team doesn't feel the need to get an immediate guy there.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1070865]We got to protect RGIII so I gotta go Moses or Cyrus Kouandjio[/quote]

I agree.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070852]the Redskins have plenty of needs, and there is plenty of depth in this draft. It is erroneous to assume pick #40 is automatically worse than #34.

A trade down from #34 will get much more than 2 4th rounders. It could add a late 2nd and a 3rd.[/quote]

i dont mind moving from 34 to 40 .... its moving from 34 to 40 (plus a 4th) ... and then moving from 40 to 55 (plus a 5th)


(im just throwing numbers out there, i didnt take the time to verify accuracy with the draft chart)

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[quote=tc2deuce;1070865]We got to protect RGIII so I gotta go Moses or Cyrus Kouandjio[/quote]

Or you could take OG Su'a-Filo. According to our FO, most of the OL problems last year were because of poor interior blocking. And this dude's a sure-fire stud; if we pass him up for one of the RTs, who have a much bigger chance of busting, I'm going to be livid. Unless, of course, that RT turns out to be a stud.

On the trade down note, maybe the QB needy teams aren't the only ones looking to move up.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000348534/article/trent-baalke-still-time-for-49ers-to-grab-a-receiver]Trent Baalke: Still time for 49ers to grab a receiver - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070860]did the draft chart say Buffalo would have to give up a 2015 1st and 3rd or 4th (?) to move up a few spots.... as you said it is just a guideline[/quote]

The chart doesn't address future picks at all but I have noticed that teams need to give up higher picks to get a deal done if those picks are for future drafts . Also, the chart doesn't seem to matter much when you're talking about elite talent at the top of the draft (see RGIII).

Of course, if you want to move up the other team is going to try to get as much as they possibly can from you. The more they sense eagermess on your part, the more they're going to demand.

BTW, if another team should want to move up to #34 to get a QB, I say sock it to 'em and the chart be damned! If they were dealing with me, they'd need to throw in a at least a third rounder this year no matter how few spots we moved down.

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theres just so many explosive edge rushers in the league, i wouldnt blame them for taking tackle. I would rather try Luavo inside, maybe. Just take the best one gruden.

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[quote=Skins4L;1070871]theres just so many explosive edge rushers in the league, i wouldnt blame them for taking tackle. I would rather try Luavo inside, maybe. Just take the best one gruden.[/quote]

Luvao does play inside. He's our new Left Guard. Did you mean Palombus?

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SF may want to trade up for Lee, maybe Carolina would as well

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1070872]Luvao does play inside. He's our new Left Guard. Did you mean Palombus?[/quote]

Yeah can't see that going well. Part of his problem has always been playing too high. That would be a bigger problem inside.

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[quote=Mattyk;1070874]Yeah can't see that going well. [B] Part of his problem has always been playing too high.[/B] That would be a bigger problem inside.[/quote]

Probably could talk to Trent about that issue

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If they can somehow come away with Kouandijo or Moses and cb Pierre Desir at the end of today- it's an A draft already for me. Addresses 2 out of 3 top positional needs for the Redskins.

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I wouldn't be unhappy at all with Kouandijo or Moses, or Su'a-Filo at #34.

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[quote=Mattyk;1070879]I wouldn't be unhappy at all with Kouandijo or Moses, or Su'a-Filo at #34.[/quote]


I agree. If we stay put, these are the only guys I really want. I am for trading down if we can drop a few spots and pick up a 3rd round pick.

Honestly, I have a feeling there is a good potential for a trade. Maybe I'm wrong, but having the draft split up this way makes me think that there is more time for teams to over think the need to trade up for "their guy," and more time for the skins to squeeze them for more.

If we can't get a deal without trading back more then 10 spots, IMO we should stay put. We really really need young talent on the O-line. I think more so then we need quality depth throughout the team. Depth is important, very important, but not as important as having a solid starting O-line.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1070876]If they can somehow come away with Kouandijo or Moses and cb Pierre Desir at the end of today- it's an A draft already for me. Addresses 2 out of 3 top positional needs for the Redskins.[/quote]

I still want to draft either Ricardo Allen or Rashaad Reynolds at CB. Pierre Desir is a good corner; the only real negative is that his level of competition wasn't the best, but he did well at the Senior Bowl. I think he'd be a great selection in the 3rd. Of the other CBs possibly drafted late today...don't like Jaylen Watkins at all, Marcus Roberson would be a good selection in the 3rd, not the biggest fan of Walt Aikens(maybe you have an opinion on him), Bashaud Breeland would be a nice selection, Jemea Thomas is a guy I love, Rashaad Reynolds is another guy I love(I think he's going to be a steal), Nevin Lawson could be a decent pick(not sure), and not really a fan of Antone Exum either.

At safety, Ed Reynolds is the only one left I'd really love us to draft at all, and that's because of his superb tackling. He'd be a reach today, so maybe with our first selection tomorrow.

I won't be happy at all if we don't even attempt to improve depth in the secondary through the rest of the draft.

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I'd say no to Kouandijo and his knees. I lineman with knee issues, I don't like it but hey. Whoever they take I just hope it works out.