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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093026]I think Cooley said it best these last eight games, need RG3 to be really good or really bad. Make the decision easy.[/QUOTE]


So true.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1092968]Egh. Double Egh. Griff looked like there was no rust in the first quarter and regressed throughout the game with flashes of competence after the first. My question since the "he needs time to develope" shtick came about is this: how much time is too much? We are on year 3 now. Year one looked good...but so far 2 and 3 aren't going so well.....
Defense looked good for the first quarter and a half...then seemed to abandon the blitz?? I saw the dbs in zone after amerson and Breeland showed early they could man up. Wtf. Looked like prevent d in the second half. Egh!!!!!!
Our entire team looks lost for the most part. It's a fucking shame.[/quote]

He looked great when the O-line actually created some sort of line, looked bad when they let Minnesota defenders fly right by.

I wouldn't think it was possible, but our o-line looks even worse without Polumbus playing

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[quote=NC_Skins;1092485][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11808434/call-start-robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-came-top]Call to start Robert Griffin III of Washington Redskins came from top - ESPN[/url]



:laughing-

Smoot's prophecy appears to be true.[/quote]

This is the article I believe that Gruden called amateurish.

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[QUOTE=Fiversons;1093032]Punch, you will have to learn as I have that when we point out the obvious regarding III, we will be attacked... Some people, and I don't know if he is one, will defend the guy and already have pre-made excuses... He is simply not anywhere close to living up to what we paid for him...[/QUOTE]


He has the rest of the season to stay healthy and play out of his mind or damn close to it. I hope to hell he does because otherwise....ugghhh. Him simply becoming a decent to good qb is not worth what we gave up to get him.

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[quote=Fiversons;1093033]The O-Line does suck, but so what? What has he done that would make you believe he is our long term answer at QB?[/quote]

No one will be our long term answer at QB with our current O-line

you're in fact asking the wrong question.

Its not about QB, its about the lines.

Have weak O and D lines and you will never be a winning team.

I don't care if you have Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning all rolled into one back there, without a good O-line to defend, you'll still lose.

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Aaron Rodgers has had a weak Oline ever since he's been in the league

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093040]Aaron Rodgers has had a weak Oline every since he's been in the league[/QUOTE]


Was just going to say this same thing. Hes not the only one but man has he been knocked on his ass over and over and over again.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1093037]This is the article I believe that Gruden called amateurish.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Britt's report about Griffin alienating teammates

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[quote=punch it in;1093041]Was just going to say this same thing. Hes not the only one but man has he been knocked on his ass over and over and over again.[/quote]

Difference is Aaron and his receivers line up and can read the defense pre snap manning-like. By the time the ball snap, he already knows 8-9 of 10 times knows where the ball is going. the other times he uses his legs to step up or out of the pocket.

To me, this is RG3 biggest weakness, pre snap and pocket presence.

Forget the throws, he can make them all.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1093042]I'm pretty sure he was talking about Britt's report about Griffin alienating teammates[/QUOTE]


I have never felt Griff was a diva or any sort of distraction. Seems to me to be a young kid with a great work ethic and a will to win. Do you think there is any truth to this crap about him alienating teammates?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1093042]I'm pretty sure he was talking about Britt's report about Griffin alienating teammates[/quote]

she needs a spanking for that report. for sure

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093043]Difference is Aaron and his receivers line up and can read the defense pre snap manning-like. By the time the ball snap, he already knows 8-9 of 10 times knows where the ball is going. the other times he uses his legs to step up or out of the pocket.



To me, this is RG3 biggest weakness, pre snap and pocket presence.



Forget the throws, he can make them all.[/QUOTE]


Agree 1000%. My fear is that is not so teachable but more of an innate quality hence my "rants" about Griff.

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[quote=Chico23231;1093040]Aaron Rodgers has had a weak Oline ever since he's been in the league[/quote]

Excellent point.

I'm not piling on Griff - he did a lot of good things that his major detractors missed. But he made the offensive line look worse than it really is by holding the ball.

Rodgers, Brady, and Manning have all played behind suspect OL's and done ok, because they know what RGIII has yet to learn: get the damn ball out, boy! Your back foot hits, the ball comes out, for the good ones.

RGIII can learn to be quicker.

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[quote=Chico23231;1093045]she needs a spanking for that report. for sure[/quote]

I'll volunteer for that assignment.

Seriously, though, she seems to be standing by the report even though the local guys have said it was aimed at the media not RGIII. It would be interesting to know who her source was because, although likely wrong, I don't she was making it up out of whole cloth.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1092995]I thought winning was your bottom line?[/quote]

Well except, you know, when, you know, it's not.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1093031]Fair or not, as the franchise QB, the meal ticket, Griffin is going to get some blame for losses. [B]The INT was awful as was the 4th down incompletion at the end of the game[/B][/quote]

The awfulness of these two throws strikes me as being out of character for RGIII. In 2012, he was clutch - I just had the feeling, no matter what, RGIII could pull the game out.

I keep telling myself "He was just rusty, he was just rusty, he was just rusty ..."

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[quote=punch it in;1093044]I have never felt Griff was a diva or any sort of distraction. Seems to me to be a young kid with a great work ethic and a will to win. Do you think there is any truth to this crap about him alienating teammates?[/quote]

It's rare to be liked by everybody on the team. Usually the guys who are most universally liked are the most irrelevant players on the roster. So to that end, I know that a few players and others in the org don't like Griffin. Why? I don't know

I wouldn't say that's the same as alienating. I mean I haven't heard of him doing something purposefully aimed at causing dissension.

There are definitely people who feel that or want others to think that though. Britt got that report from somewhere, she didn't make it up

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Get the ball out quick doesnt mean squat if no one is open.
And that is going to happen.
It happens to all QBs.
Often.

I've heard announcers say a million times (after a successful play)
"with that much time, someone is going to get open" .

Our O-line sucks and if it didnt I bet we could have had 10+ more points on the board.
I'm ready to spend our first and second rounder on the OL.

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[quote=Chico23231;1093040]Aaron Rodgers has had a weak Oline ever since he's been in the league[/quote]

Green Bay's line is far better than what we have, you can't compare the two

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1093055]Green Bay's line is far better than what we have, you can't compare the two[/quote]

Eddie Lacy might disagree.

I think they are very comparable, we are probably a little worse at pass protection, but stronger run block.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1093055]Green Bay's line is far better than what we have, you can't compare the two[/quote]

Actually Green Bay's line since Rodgers has been there has not been much better than ours. Rodgers just makes it look better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1093052]It's rare to be liked by everybody on the team. Usually the guys who are most universally liked are the most irrelevant players on the roster. So to that end, I know that a few players and others in the org don't like Griffin. Why? I don't know

I wouldn't say that's the same as alienating. I mean I haven't heard of him doing something purposefully aimed at causing dissension.

[B]There are definitely people who feel that or want others to think that though. Britt got that report from somewhere, she didn't make it up[/B][/quote]

My problem with the report was that it was clearly something pretty inflammatory and she should have known that. As such, a little more investigation should have been done which, I am pretty sure would have demonstrated that it's premise (interruption of Griffin's interview in locker room) was based on something other than any alleged "alienation."

Given the reaction from the locals, and inflammatory nature of the news, just seemed like pretty slipshod reporting.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1093058]My problem with the report was that it was clearly something pretty inflammatory and she should have known that. As such, a little more investigation should have been done which, I am pretty sure would have demonstrated that it's premise (interruption of Griffin's interview in locker room) was based on something other than any alleged "alienation."

Given the reaction from the locals, and inflammatory nature of the news, just seemed like pretty slipshod reporting.[/quote]

Fair enough

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Late in the game, Washington twice took the lead. Bridgewater led drives of 76 and 73 yards to help the Vikings take it back.

The straight-shooting Gruden was candid about the unit’s collapse. There was no way to sugarcoat it.

“We didn’t get off blocks . . . and didn’t cover well enough in the secondary,” Gruden said. “We let them drive [76 yards] to take the lead. We go back down to score and take the lead . . . and they come back again. Very, very, very, very sickening.”


from the post...this was the difference, cant let a rookie qb do that

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[quote=Chico23231;1093056]Eddie Lacy might disagree.

I think they are very comparable, we are probably a little worse at pass protection, but stronger run block.[/quote]

Our run game isn't as strong as you seem to think we do a lot of stretch plays to cover for the weakness in our O-line.

From what I've seen of their Offensive line, its a lot stronger at pass protection, and they are a pass oriented team.

Skins are more balanced, and we suck at both really.

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This loss seems like it was absolutely on the defense. It's not like ST gave the Vikings short fields. The offense put a reasonable number of points on the board. Even Griffin's end of half interception, was around midfield. That said, this team needs everyone executing 100% to beat other teams, and so far this season, that's really only happened 2 times.

As for Griffin, the only way his delivery speeds up is by playing the games. So let's see how the rest of the season goes, assuming he stays healthy, and he gets time to develop. Would I wish that it was different, yes, but at this point we know it's not.

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Sorry, allowing 4th quarter drives of 70+ yards to a rookie QB with a lackluster running attack is a defensive low point.

In part, it was players failing to execute - being pulled from zone assignments by clearing routes or failing to understand where safety help is. At the same time, as someone else said (either on twitter or one of the local reporters), if the players are failing to execute your zone concepts [I]consistently[/I], then - as a coach - you need to find what is working for them.

Hazlett has young corners who play a decent man coverage. Go with it and cover the top with safety help. If it exposes Riley, then design help for him or get him out. Maybe mix in some zone so the CB's can improve their skills on that but don't stick with a defense that is clearly not working.

I am firmly in the time to dump Hazlett now camp. It's the bye week, ditch Raheem, Haz and promote Bradley. Not sure if he will be an improvement or if it would be giving someone a promotion beyond their capabilities, but - jeez - can he really be that much worse than Hazlett at this point?

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The offense did enough points-wise to win, like someone posted the Vikings averaged about 12 points/game the last month. But Gruden doesn't control the clock or game with his offensive attack by passing to often and giving up on the run. Morris best runs will be over 20 carries, between 20 and 30 is his sweet spot. Has Gruden even given 20 carries in a game this season??

No excuses for the defense though, regardless of what Gruden and RG do with the rest of the season Haslett should be canned at the end.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1093063]Sorry, allowing 4th quarter drives of 70+ yards to a rookie QB with a lackluster running attack is a defensive low point.

In part, it was players failing to execute - being pulled from zone assignments by clearing routes or failing to understand where safety help is. At the same time, as someone else said (either on twitter or one of the local reporters), if the players are failing to execute your zone concepts [I]consistently[/I], then - as a coach - you need to find what is working for them.

Hazlett has young corners who play a decent man coverage. Go with it and cover the top with safety help. If it exposes Riley, then design help for him or get him out. Maybe mix in some zone so the CB's can improve their skills on that but don't stick with a defense that is clearly not working.

I am firmly in the time to dump Hazlett now camp. It's the bye week, ditch Raheem, Haz and promote Bradley. Not sure if he will be an improvement or if it would be giving someone a promotion beyond their capabilities, but - jeez - can he really be that much worse than Hazlett at this point?[/quote]

Who's Bradley?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1093052]It's rare to be liked by everybody on the team. Usually the guys who are most universally liked are the most irrelevant players on the roster. So to that end, I know that a few players and others in the org don't like Griffin. Why? I don't know



I wouldn't say that's the same as alienating. I mean I haven't heard of him doing something purposefully aimed at causing dissension.



There are definitely people who feel that or want others to think that though. Britt got that report from somewhere, she didn't make it up[/QUOTE]


Sort of like Rudy Ruettiger on that great Notre Dame team. Lol
Pretty much what I figured. I am so curious as to why there are some that dont like him.

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How many points did we allow in the fourth qtr? Teddy and the boys (although we did make them look good) are not exactly Tom and Gronk.
.....cannot be allowed to happen

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You can't let Griffin off for that throw, that was Cousins bad... His mechanics were wrong, his decision was bad. The offense ran better with him at QB, but when you choke in a pressure situation you choke. He said it after the game himself.

There is hardly any talent on the defensive side of the ball. They are gonna have to win games by scoring minimum of 30 points. That is just the way it is.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1093072]You can't let Griffin off for that throw, that was Cousins bad... His mechanics were wrong, his decision was bad. The offense ran better with him at QB, but when you choke in a pressure situation you choke. He said it after the game himself.

[B]There is hardly any talent on the defensive side of the ball. They are gonna have to win games by scoring minimum of 30 points. That is just the way it is.[/quote]
[/B]
Pretty much spot on. But you have to think a better scheme would get more out of this below average group. If your corners seem to play better in man, stop putting them in some stupid zone coverage. But in the end, it's always the players and we're lacking several on this defense.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1093067]Sort of like Rudy Ruettiger on that great Notre Dame team. Lol
Pretty much what I figured. I am so curious as to why there are some that dont like him.[/QUOTE]


Not everyone gets along, not everyone likes Cousins or McCoy either. In the end it's about playing football. All this gossipy BS is nauseating.

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Griffin was rusty...not as bad as I thought he would be but with him in Alf had a good day with nearly 100 yards and 2 td's. Offense looked viable and put up 26 on a very good D. Defense has some big holes. Be it Haz fault....mgmt....whatever's....
Weak link and pulling us down. Hard to see them playing like they did against a far better team in big d and playing like that against Teddy......

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1093055]Green Bay's line is far better than what we have, you can't compare the two[/quote]

you obviously haven't seen a lot of the the Packers this year if you believe that . . .

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1093074]Not everyone gets along, not everyone likes Cousins or McCoy either. In the end it's about playing football. All this gossipy BS is nauseating.[/QUOTE]


Yeah but not liking your 2nd n 3rd string qb's is like not liking your punter. Who cares?
I would like to believe that everyone on the offensive side of the ball likes him enough to rally around him and play hard for him. They have to be able to get along to a point or that becomes a football problem. Like I said before the only feeling I get from Griff is a young kid that wants to succeed - has a strong work ethic. Been through alot in a short time. Just cant imagine what there isnt to like about him as a person in a football perspective? Hope it all goes away.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1093042]I'm pretty sure he was talking about Britt's report about Griffin alienating teammates[/quote]

He was talking about Britt's ... but this looks like a rehash of the same information.

They brought Haz to run the Steelers defense. He has only shown it once against Dallas. Other than that it's been a bunch of non adjustments and misuse of talent. He has lost it.

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[quote=punch it in;1093077]Yeah but not liking your 2nd n 3rd string qb's is like not liking your punter. Who cares?
I would like to believe that everyone on the offensive side of the ball likes him enough to rally around him and play hard for him. They have to be able to get along to a point or that becomes a football problem. Like I said before the only feeling I get from Griff is a young kid that wants to succeed - has a strong work ethic. Been through alot in a short time. Just cant imagine what there isnt to like about him as a person in a football perspective? Hope it all goes away.[/quote]

Strong point made just now on 980 by Chris Russell and company. One thing not to be liked. That's not the issue. The issue is does the locker room universally respect RG3.

Not so sure

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1093079]Strong point made just now on 980 by Chris Russell and company. One thing not to be liked. That's not the issue. The issue is does the locker room universally respect RG3.



Not so sure[/QUOTE]


Respect meaning simply his ability to lead this team and be a great qb?