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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171509]I can't help but feel KC bears a lot of the blame. If- as your tweet by Schefter says - he is willing to talk after the season then he should have been willing to sign this off season but he is using the FT to the hilt and trusts our line is going to keep him from a season ending injury. If the Skins offered anywhere near market value there is no reason KC should not have signed.

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KC is getting his value. The problem is the Skins don't think he's worth it, and KC sees it in their negotiating. He's not going to stick around unless you give him a top tier contract. Period. The skins have absolutely fucked this up and we all know it. Could have had him at 19mil/yr, now we're looking at 30mil/yr if it goes to 2018. Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder will continue to be the reason why this team fails.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1171511]KC is getting his value. The problem is the Skins don't think he's worth it, and KC sees it in their negotiating. He's not going to stick around unless you give him a top tier contract. Period. The skins have absolutely fucked this up and we all know it. Could have had him at 19mil/yr, now we're looking at 30mil/yr if it goes to 2018. Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder will continue to be the reason why this team fails.[/QUOTE]
KC is throwing away the security of a long term deal. I'm fine with the team not going over the top and waiting one more year if Kirk's side is not willing to compromise.

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The Redskins still have options after this season. They can use the transition tag and we can see what the market is for KC. The sky isn't falling.

Also the teams that might want him are shit. SF is garbage with no weapons. If things don't work out with Goff who the hell do they have? Tavon Austin? He is the most overrated, overpaid player in the league. The Jets? Total mess. Clev drafted Kizer.

His best options for his career are still here in Washington. KC is no dummy and he knows this. Plus.. as I said those teams might use the draft to get their franchise QB. Yes the Skins FO have totally messed this up beyond belief but they still hold the cards.

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This sounds like wishful thinking. I am sure there are several teams that would welcome Cousins in a heartbeat. How long does Carson have in AZ for example? Who knows if Bridgewater ever comes back in Minn? Better defenses than ours and at least a few weapons.

We haven't had stability in the QB position - a prerequisite for doing anything in the playoffs- since the early 1990s. What's it going to take?


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[quote=Ruhskins;1171512]KC is throwing away the security of a long term deal. I'm fine with the team not going over the top and waiting one more year if Kirk's side is not willing to compromise.

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Even if he has a mediocre year, I still think he gets over 20mil/yr.

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Kirk is done in DC after this year, the skins have 6 FA next year, they will pay instead of breaking up the team. Nate Sudfeld will be the next QB if Gruden is around next year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1171510][B]Kirk is throwing away the security of a long term deal[/B] by not compromising with the team, IMO.

I doubt the team is lowballing him, but any long term deal is WAY better than being on the franchise tag from year to year.

He's being all business, and so is the team. I just don't get why either he or his agent, don't see the value of a security of a long term deal.

But whatever, this is a "win now" league and the team has him for the upcoming season. And I guess that's what matters for now.[/quote]

You are a smart guy but do you have any idea of how ridiculous it sounds when you post that Kirk is throwing away his financial security? The man has already been paid over $19M by the Skins and they are contractually obligated to pay him another $24M for the coming season. With $43M in hand, what financial security worry could Kirk possibly have?

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Can we all stop referring to "The Skins" or "The Front Office" in regard to not signing Kirk Cousins to a long-term deal? Don't we all really mean [B][U]DAN SNYDER[/U][/B] when we use one of those terms? If Dan Snyder believed in Kirk, then Kirk would be signed. If Dan Snyder believed in Kirk, then Snyder would pay market rate to sign him. If Dan Snyder believed in Kirk, then nobody in the organization could stop him from signing Kirk.

As always, the "star player" in fucking up this football team is Dan Snyder. As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins, the team will [B][U]NEVER[/U][/B] win a Super Bowl.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1171517]You are a smart guy but do you have any idea of how ridiculous it sounds when you post that Kirk is throwing away his financial security? The man has already been paid over $19M by the Skins and they are contractually obligated to pay him another $24M for the coming season. With $43M in hand, what financial security worry could Kirk possibly have?[/QUOTE]
It is my understanding that playing under the tag is not secured money compared to a long term deal. I don't know the details, I do know people like Andrew Brandt has repeatedly said that common sense in these situation is to take the long term guaranteed money as opposed to playing under the tag.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1171519]It is my understanding that playing under the tag is not secured money compared to a long term deal. I don't know the details, I do know people like Andrew Brandt has repeatedly said that common sense in these situation is to take the long term guaranteed money as opposed to playing under the tag.

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The Franchise Tag money is 100% guaranteed. Since you were not aware of that fact, I can understand why you were thinking the way you were about the LTD. Without that guarantee, you would certainly be right to think that Kirk had better sign a long-term deal with the Redskins.

Personally, I think a LTD was never a possibility because Dan Snyder simply doesn't want Kirk as his franchise QB.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1171520]The Franchise Tag money is 100% guaranteed. Since you were not aware of that fact, I can understand why you were thinking the way you were about the LTD. Without that guarantee, you would certainly be right to think that Kirk had better sign a long-term deal with the Redskins.

Personally, I think a LTD was never a possibility because Dan Snyder simply doesn't want Kirk as his franchise QB.[/quote]

I know the tag is 100% guaranteed, but a long term injury and/or drop off in play quality could affect a player's potential for future earnings. If the tag contract was as secured as a long term deal, you'd see more players playing under the tag contract.

And let's say the Redskins were offering something in the neighborhood of 50-60 mil guaranteed money, is he willing to throw that way and settle for 25 mil guaranteed this year?

Personally, I think either Kirk may be unrealistically betting on himself and/or wants an unreasonable amount of money to be throwing away the security of a long term deal? Once you have a player who does not value the security of a long term deal, it is difficult for the team to come to some compromise with the player/agent.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1171516]Kirk is done in DC after this year, the skins have 6 FA next year, they will pay instead of breaking up the team. Nate Sudfeld will be the next QB if Gruden is around next year.[/quote]

Exactly! What good is it signing Kirk if you let just about everyone else go? Thing is Snyder loves chaos, as it keeps everyone guessing/interested and desperate for a winner. I know it sounds crazy, but Snyder is a billionaire and can't be that dumb can he in handling the affairs of the team? Skins fans need to mirror what the Detroit fans did after the debacle with McMillan and just don't show up or come in with bags over your heads if things really start going south again. Snyder has us hooked on mediocre football and he knows it. It is maybe time to fight and get off that hook.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1171521]I know the tag is 100% guaranteed, but a long term injury and/or drop off in play quality could affect a player's potential for future earnings. If the tag contract was as secured as a long term deal, you'd see more players playing under the tag contract.

And let's say the Redskins were offering something in the neighborhood of 50-60 mil guaranteed money, is he willing to throw that way and settle for 25 mil guaranteed this year?

Personally, I think either Kirk may be unrealistically betting on himself and/or wants an unreasonable amount of money to be throwing away the security of a long term deal? Once you have a player who does not value the security of a long term deal, it is difficult for the team to come to some compromise with the player/agent.[/quote]

Or maybe, just maybe he wants out!!!! Wasn't he on record saying if Allen was retained he was walking? Do you really want to work for a guy you despise? I would think that the feelings are mutual and this is just a gentleman's agreement of Kirk going away, but with some nice $$$$$$$$. The team management is awful, so why stay!!!!!The good thing about this is Kirk has to play lights out to get the deal he wants, so at least we will enjoy one more decent season before he leaves, then it is going to be back to the drawing board.

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[quote=calia;1171514]This sounds like wishful thinking. I am sure there are several teams that would welcome Cousins in a heartbeat. How long does Carson have in AZ for example? Who knows if Bridgewater ever comes back in Minn? Better defenses than ours and at least a few weapons.

We haven't had stability in the QB position - a prerequisite for doing anything in the playoffs- since the early 1990s. What's it going to take?


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The Cards are one team that could be in the mix, no question. Vikings? They're probably staying with Bradford.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1171526]The Cards are one team that could be in the mix, no question. Vikings? They're probably staying with Bradford.[/QUOTE]



He has been pretty brittle too. Maybe. I wonder about Houston or other teams that just signed rookie QBs, at least a few of which might not pan out. But I think it is safe to assume that many teams might be interested in a QB that can throw for 4500+ yards, 25 tds, and will show good leadership. And we should too.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1171521]I know the tag is 100% guaranteed, but a long term injury and/or drop off in play quality could affect a player's potential for future earnings. If the tag contract was as secured as a long term deal, you'd see more players playing under the tag contract.

And let's say the Redskins were offering something in the neighborhood of 50-60 mil guaranteed money, is he willing to throw that way and settle for 25 mil guaranteed this year?

Personally, I think either Kirk may be unrealistically betting on himself and/or wants an unreasonable amount of money to be throwing away the security of a long term deal? Once you have a player who does not value the security of a long term deal, it is difficult for the team to come to some compromise with the player/agent.[/quote]

Oh, I see what you mean. What you say makes sense to me, now.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1171516]Kirk is done in DC after this year, the skins have 6 FA next year, they will pay instead of breaking up the team. Nate Sudfeld will be the next QB if Gruden is around next year.[/quote]

A.S says Kirk is open to a deal after the season... Nate is a hUGE ??? Who knows if he can even play in the NFL

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Checking ESPN all day every day waiting for Russell Westbrook to hopefully sign his extension and for Cousins to sign his is a whale of a good time. If Kirk isn't re-signed by 4, I will be taking a week off from sports sites. Don't want to read 100 articles shitting on the Redskins.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171530]Checking ESPN all day every day waiting for Russell Westbrook to hopefully sign his extension and for Cousins to sign his is a whale of a good time. If Kirk isn't re-signed by 4, I will be taking a week off from sports sites. Don't want to read 100 articles shitting on the Redskins.[/quote]

Why not make The Warpath your "go to" site for shitting on the Redskins? Here you will only need to read one thread to get your fill.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1171531]Why not make The Warpath your "go to" site for shitting on the Redskins? Here you will only need to read one thread to get your fill.[/quote]

Lol true, and definitely true tomorrow at 4:01.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171526]The Cards are one team that could be in the mix, no question. Vikings? They're probably staying with Bradford.[/quote]

If Goff continues to play like a soft bitch...the Rams would provide the 49ers with the most competition for cousins.

If I was cousins and the skins low balled me 2 consecutive seasons, no way in hell I'd even consider them next year. And I would tell Snyder to eat shit on the way out.

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Let's see what kc does down a gracon and a djax.

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[url]https://youtu.be/82iXeagXyyw[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171535][url]https://youtu.be/82iXeagXyyw[/url][/quote]

Well shit, I'm buying Super Bowl tickets.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1171536]Well shit, I'm buying Super Bowl tickets.[/quote]

He can throw a proper fade pass!!

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1171534]Let's see what kc does down a gracon and a djax.[/QUOTE]



I don't think it's going to matter. He's still got Reed and Crowder he knows very well, and Pryor and Doctson could both be huge in this offense.

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I am more frustrated with KC then the team on this one, but ultimately both sides are within the bounds of the CBA, AND, both sides have had legitimate rationales for the course of actions they took. Unless the team's final offer was 22M or less average annual value, then I won't hate on either side.

On to the season... Go Skins!

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Kicking the can yet again. Frustrating.

I find it interesting that he is "open to doing a deal after the season". Two possibilities there:

1) he knows his leverage will be even higher, and he'll get transitioned for $28M or franchised for $34M. I believe him though when he says it's not all about money, which leads me to believe #2 is more probable:

2) During these latest negotiations, I believe it's possible that he either told the team, or indicated, that he doesn't want to sign a long term deal in Washington and that he wants to work his way towards free agency. In response the Redskins could have said OK well we want you to publicly indicate that you're open to a long term deal with us, so that we ratchet up some leverage in a trade scenario in February/March next year. We'll help you go where you want to go, but we want you to help us get something in return for you.

Only thing that makes #2 a little implausible is it's hard to see Snyder being willing to help Kyle Shanahan in any form.

All I know is the team's internal hemming and hawing over how good he is has led them to kick the can down a road that does nothing but give him more leverage than any QB in recent memory. It has been managed really poorly.

I'll withhold final judgment until the situation ultimately resolves itself. But if we sign him in February for a long term deal worth $28M per season or whatever it will cost, do you call that a win? How can you, when he could have been had for $20M per last season?

I've gone from optimistic to quite pessimistic. I really thought common sense would carry the day here, the Redskins let me down on that front yet again.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171544]I've gone from optimistic to quite pessimistic. I really thought [B]common sense[/B] would carry the day here, the Redskins let me down on that front yet again.[/quote]

Common sense would also dictate that a player would take the security of a long term deal over the risk of playing on a one year deal.

As I mentioned before, if Cousins' camp doesn't value the security of a long term deal (which most players do), it is a lost bargaining chip for the Redskins.

While I do not believe the team is blameless, I do feel that this is either about Cousins not wanting to play here and/or being in for the money. If you have a player that doesn't value the security of a long term deal and doesn't want to play here and/or wants unrealistic money, how do you come to a compromise and a deal under those situations?

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Here in this piece they say the Redskins made another offer in May, which topped the previous offer of $20M per season. Only the first two seasons were guaranteed, and the overall offer fell short of the $23.9M per season he's making on the tag.

So, just estimating, did the team offer him $22M per? I guess the guarantees weren't at the right spot, or it truly is about the money, or it isn't about the money and he wants out.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000820192/article/details-on-redskins-may-offer-to-kirk-cousins]Kirk Cousins to play under tag after offer falls short - NFL.com[/url]

If the 'Skins got the feeling they were within $1M per year of getting it done, wouldn't they have just upped the offer? I think it was made clear to the team there's no number that would make him sign. I think this smells of Cousins being motivated to escape DC.

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If the Skins aren't offering at least the equivalent of this year's tag and next in guaranteed money, why would Cousins sign it?

Let's see if both sides can come to their senses before 4:00. I'm not giving up hope until it's over.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171547]Here in this piece they say the Redskins made another offer in May, which topped the previous offer of $20M per season. Only the first two seasons were guaranteed, and the overall offer fell short of the $23.9M per season he's making on the tag.

So, just estimating, did the team offer him $22M per? I guess the guarantees weren't at the right spot, or it truly is about the money, or it isn't about the money and he wants out.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000820192/article/details-on-redskins-may-offer-to-kirk-cousins]Kirk Cousins to play under tag after offer falls short - NFL.com[/url]

If the 'Skins got the feeling they were within $1M per year of getting it done, wouldn't they have just upped the offer? I think it was made clear to the team there's no number that would make him sign. I think this smells of Cousins being motivated to escape DC.[/quote]

I'm more curious to know what the guaranteed money on all of this would be. As I said before, if he's being given 50-60 mil guaranteed, he's throwing that away because he doesn't want to be here (and just taking 25 mil).

Or he's really sure that nothing is going to happen to him this upcoming season and is banking on better leverage next offseason.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1171549]I'm more curious to know what the guaranteed money on all of this would be. As I said before, if he's being given 50-60 mil guaranteed, he's throwing that away because he doesn't want to be here (and just taking 25 mil).

Or he's really sure that nothing is going to happen to him this upcoming season and is banking on better leverage next offseason.[/quote]

Cousins is a greedy piece of shit . . . PERIOD!!

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Cousins is playing the game to perfection, period. Why should he take a penny less?

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No deal is getting done. Ain't happening. I'll worry about next year when that time comes around. This has been beaten to death.

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I am of the mind that Cousins wants out of DC. Unless, they simply make him an offer he just cannot refuse.

Fact of the matter is, this head coach did not draft him. But one of the guys that did draft him is now a head coach in San Francisco and has made no secret that he would like a reunion with Cousins.

It could work in favor of the 49ers in that they can sign Cousins away as a FA and still be in position to draft a QB of the future high in the first round of next years draft.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1171554]I am of the mind that Cousins wants out of DC. Unless, they simply make him an offer he just cannot refuse.

Fact of the matter is, this head coach did not draft him. But one of the guys that did draft him is now a head coach in San Francisco and has made no secret that he would like a reunion with Cousins.

It could work in favor of the 49ers in that they can sign Cousins away as a FA and still be in position to draft a QB of the future high in the first round of next years draft.[/quote]


Why would SF be looking to replace a QB that will be super expensive to sign, and will be all of 30 years old? If Cousins signs in SF there QB search is over and they wont be drafting one early in any draft for the next 3-4 years unless KC flops.

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I think Cousins is just maximizing his value. Nothing more than that. I know everyone wants to read into things but at the end of the day he just wants what he would be due under the tags. The Skins started this mess, KC is just playing the game the team started.

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[quote=MTK;1171556]I think Cousins is just maximizing his value. Nothing more than that. I know everyone wants to read into things but at the end of the day he just wants what he would be due under the tags. The Skins started this mess, KC is just playing the game the team started.[/quote]

Yep, and don't forget his agent is trying to get a max deal as well.

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[quote=MTK;1171548]If the Skins aren't offering at least the equivalent of this year's tag and next in guaranteed money, why would Cousins sign it?

[B]Let's see if both sides can come to their senses before 4:00. I'm not giving up hope until it's over.[/B][/quote]

Stranger things have happened. I'm not liking our chances there because sources very plugged in like Schefter have made it pretty clear, but deadlines spur action and negotiations are fluid so who knows.