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[quote=Schneed10;1187750]I have no major beef either and will always pull for him.

That said, it was painfully obvious he wanted to leave, and so all the sweet talking he does about wanting to still be a Redskin is pretty disingenuous.

But I guess he had to say all the right things in case we ended up being the place he ultimately chose to come back to.

Can't be mad at him. Also, can't blame Bruce Allen for making an aggressive move. You can blame him for not signing Cousins in 2015, but you can't blame him for trading for Smith now.

Time for everybody to pull up their big boy pants and tie their big boy shoes and move on with life. Let's sign some mother f'n free agents! I'm ready for the next episode.[/quote]

I agree. I am disappointed in this conclusion but I will still be rooting for this team to get better. If Kirk had any interest in staying with us, he wouldn't have declared his intention to wait until March to negotiate. That basically says he favors us no more than any other team. Good luck to him elsewhere. Also, I will take this opportunity to say Bruce's failings with Kirk add to his already long list of failings and reasons why he should be fired. Won't happen but I just want it to be clear where I stand.

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Kirk taking the high road but He NEVER EVER wanted to be here..The Skins paid him a ton of money the last two years and what did that get this team? missed playoffs !!! is it all on him no but when you want to be paid like the man..BE THE MAN! My guess is his next 3 years in league will be average and whatever team will do okay ..just like with Smith we should be average 8-8 9-7 type team . I don't see that we lost the Superstar elite QB ..its close to being even trade except for Fuller ( that hurts!)

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[quote=rocnrik;1187764]Kirk taking the high road but He NEVER EVER wanted to be here..The Skins paid him a ton of money the last two years and what did that get this team? missed playoffs !!! is it all on him no but when you want to be paid like the man..BE THE MAN! My guess is his next 3 years in league will be average and whatever team will do okay ..just like with Smith we should be average 8-8 9-7 type team . [B]I don't see that we lost the Superstar elite QB ..its close to being even trade except for Fuller ( that hurts[/B]!)[/quote]

Fuller for Smith is basically the trade, we recoup the third rounder with a comp pick next year.

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I'm done with this thread too. He's gone and I'm glad to have Alex.

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I'm done with this thread too. He's gone and I'm glad to have Alex.[/quote]

This is perfect.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1187699]Jesus Christ.



How would the fan base have reacted if we had Colt McCoy as our starter, and some street free agent dipshit as our backup (remember, Sudfeld was on the Eagles at that point).[/QUOTE]



I completely understand that. My comment originated from Mattys post about Cooley making a good point that they should have traded him before the deadline this year or last year. SD skins called it hindsight and I am simply saying that was only three months ago and they were probably pretty well sure that KC was going to be gone one way or another by than. So I guess take up ur beef with Cooley. Lol.

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[quote=#56fanatic;1187707]
I just don't understand how Skins fans dog a QB that in 3 years performed better than all most any QB in the league. this year was probably his best year when you factor in injuries, lack of WR support, lack of a running game and a HORRIBLE Defense. Go back to last year and the games the D lost in the 4th quarter. if our D was half as good as it actually was we win 10-11 games and aren't having this discussion. I have been a skins fan for a LONG time and I can never remember having a guy under center that legitimately gives us a chance to win every game. As an organization - you want to win. Bruce and Dan just seem to crap in the face of the fans and the overall betterment of the team. Bruce gets rid of not 1, but 2 1000 yard receivers!! And to me, was done to undermine kirk to try and prove he wasn't worth the franchise money. Egos shouldn't get in the way of doing what is best for the organization and it continuously does with these idiots.[/quote]

Amend to that mate. Big Cuz never got the respect he was due here. Some were to quick to give up on him and the ones who did more than likely never gave up on RG3. Coincidence? I think not.

I'm sure Kirk will do well with the team that signs him. Wherever that is it implies sure he will be fantastic. I only hope we can say the same of Alex Smith?

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Let me ask you guys this, can they force Cousins to only be traded? I mean doesn't he have to sign something? What if he tells Dan and Bruce, "i'm not signing anything". If they slapped another tag on him, would that force him to sit out the entire 2018 season?

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Cousins would have all the leverage, tagging him would be a disaster

[url]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22315705/washington-redskins-consider-placing-franchise-tag-kirk-cousins[/url]

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Trade him to Cleveland for number 4 pick.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1187819]Let me ask you guys this, can they force Cousins to only be traded? I mean doesn't he have to sign something? What if he tells Dan and Bruce, "i'm not signing anything". If they slapped another tag on him, would that force him to sit out the entire 2018 season?[/quote]

Kirk has to sign a tender to be traded. He has no incentive to do so now.

Why not sit out, and train, for $34 mil? Skins FO would be even more of a laughingstock than they already are.

The exclusive franchise tag would be beyond stupid, even for Allen and Snyder.

The non-exclusive franchise tag would make it beyond stupid for any other team to sign Kirk. $34 mil and two 1st rd picks? Of course, look what the Skins gave up for RGIII...

The transition tag limits Kirk's salary to "only" 28 mil, but the Skins get no compensation.

I think tagging Kirk now would be pure, transparent, counter-productive spite on Allen and Snyder's part, unless there's some trade option I don't know. And Kirk is still laughing all the way to the bank. He earned it the past couple years.

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It’s not going to happen.

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Good luck ever signing a free agent if they try this dumb maneuver. If BA is even thinking about it, it should be a fireable offense. We’d get completely hosed.


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[quote=HailGreen28;1187823]Kirk has to sign a tender to be traded. He has no incentive to do so now.

Why not sit out, and train, for $34 mil? Skins FO would be even more of a laughingstock than they already are.

The exclusive franchise tag would be beyond stupid, even for Allen and Snyder.

The non-exclusive franchise tag would make it beyond stupid for any other team to sign Kirk. $34 mil and two 1st rd picks? Of course, look what the Skins gave up for RGIII...

The transition tag limits Kirk's salary to "only" 28 mil, but the Skins get no compensation.

I think tagging Kirk now would be pure, transparent, counter-productive spite on Allen and Snyder's part, unless there's some trade option I don't know. And Kirk is still laughing all the way to the bank. He earned it the past couple years.[/quote]

So let's pretend to play Devil's Advocate, or pretend to be Bruce Allen just for a minute. We slap the franchise tag on Kirk for 34 million this season, but also complete our trade with Alex Smith and legally sign him when the new league year begins. So that means Cousins is getting his 34 million, and Alex Smith in his first year is getting around what, 22 million?

How Much will this affect our salary cap, how much will be available for other players if we have 56 million tied up in two quarterbacks? I don't know the cap part but i imagine this would be brutal, as well as make us more of a laughing stock than we already are.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1187835]So let's pretend to play Devil's Advocate, or pretend to be Bruce Allen just for a minute. We slap the franchise tag on Kirk for 34 million this season, but also complete our trade with Alex Smith and legally sign him when the new league year begins. So that means Cousins is getting his 34 million, and Alex Smith in his first year is getting around what, 22 million?

How Much will this affect our salary cap, how much will be available for other players if we have 56 million tied up in two quarterbacks? I don't know the cap part but i imagine this would be brutal, as well as make us more of a laughing stock than we already are.[/quote]

Agreed. Have to hear from MTK, Scheed, or some other knowledgeable poster about the cap. I assume this Bizarro World scenario would cripple our free agency this year. Maybe even have to cut players just for cap relief.

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If the team applies tag we’re on the hook for his $34M. It’s just not a realistic situation, we wouldn’t be able to make any moves until he was traded. Honestly I don’t even know why this story is being floated out there since it’s just not plausible.

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[quote=MTK;1187839]If the team applies tag we’re on the hook for his $34M. It’s just not a realistic situation, we wouldn’t be able to make any moves until he was traded. Honestly I don’t even know why this story is being floated out there since it’s just not plausible.[/quote]

Yeah exactly this makes no sense. The second the tag is applied he counts $34M, taking us from $36M in space currently to $2M.

So on March 14 when free agency opens, we wouldn’t be able to make a single FA move, not resigning Zach Brown, not Breeland, heck probably can’t even fit Will Compton under that cap.

So the only approach for the Skins would be to apply the tag on February 20, then try to trade him, and then if he’s not traded by March 14 they would have to remove the tag and set him free.

That cap situation makes their position incredibly transparent. If I can look at their cap and understand that they would lose out on Zach Brown and every other FA, so can John Elway and every other GM.

So that’s the Redskins’ position, let’s think about Kirk’s. In the past when tagged, he has signed it right away and played on it. In order to be traded, he would have to sign the tag. If he doesn’t sign it, he can’t be traded (CBA rules).

If he’s traded he would have less say in where he goes. So of course financially, he’d rather get to free agency where a bidding war could ensue. Then, if money’s not as important, he may decide he’d rather be in a winning spot. In such a case, he wouldn’t want a team like Denver to give up pieces it could use to surround him with talent. So being traded really is the last thing he’d want. The only reason for him to play ball with the Skins is out of the goodness of his heart. He won’t do that.

It’s incredibly transparent this is going nowhere. As long as Kirk doesn’t sign the tag, the Skins can’t trade him, and thus the Skins get no free agency. They will apply the tag on Feb 20 and see if he signs it. If he does, then they’re in business and a trade becomes likely. But I think there is no way he will sign it. He’ll wait them out, and they’ll pull the tag off of him.

It’s worth a shot I guess, since there is time between Feb20 and March 14. But we all know this ends with no trade and a free Kirk Cousins.

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Only way this could work is if Kirk wants to leave amicably and decides to throw the Redskins a bone (which he has no incentive to do so). Whose to say he hasn't made his decision, Vikings are A. and Broncos are B. Maybe he wants to play nice (goes against all logic, yes I know) and says he is fine with being traded to his destination of choice instead of waiting until FA. Then the Redskins allow him/agent to negotiate a LTD with Vikings (if they are interested), then once they agree Vikes agree to send us a first rounder or something, we tag Kirk, file paperwork to trade him to Vikings and he gets his long term deal as part of it. It's doable (but I'm 99% sure it won't) but only if Kirk decides to throw us a bone. Or to put it into relateable terms, I gave the same odds to the Falcons losing with a 28-3 lead last year. TL;DR: Don't get your hopes up, but never say never.

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[quote=mooby;1187844]Only way this could work is if Kirk wants to leave amicably and decides to throw the Redskins a bone (which he has no incentive to do so). Whose to say he hasn't made his decision, Vikings are A. and Broncos are B. Maybe he wants to play nice (goes against all logic, yes I know) and says he is fine with being traded to his destination of choice instead of waiting until FA. Then the Redskins allow him/agent to negotiate a LTD with Vikings (if they are interested), then once they agree Vikes agree to send us a first rounder or something, we tag Kirk, file paperwork to trade him to Vikings and he gets his long term deal as part of it. It's doable (but I'm 99% sure it won't) but only if Kirk decides to throw us a bone. Or to put it into relateable terms, I gave the same odds to the Falcons losing with a 28-3 lead last year. TL;DR: Don't get your hopes up, but never say never.[/quote]

Why would Kirk screw over the team he wants to go to, forcing them to give the Skins draft picks? Instead of just signing with them as a FA?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1187846]Why would Kirk screw over the team he wants to go to, forcing them to give the Skins draft picks? Instead of just signing with them as a FA?[/quote]

I thought that was covered under the 99% probability I gave of it not happening? Just saying never say never.

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[quote=mooby;1187847]I thought that was covered under the 99% probability I gave of it not happening? Just saying never say never.[/quote]

Well, I'm sure we could come up with many reasons why there's practically no chance. Just wanted to add another.

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After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit. Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1187958]After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit. Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.[/quote]

Foles is probably as good as Kirk TBH, and Alex Smith. So I wouldn't doubt it, and I still say the JETS land kirk because they will offer the most

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187960]Foles is probably as good as Kirk TBH, and Alex Smith. So I wouldn't doubt it, and I still say the JETS land kirk because they will offer the most[/quote]

A lot of NFL teams will be enamored by Foles performance in the SB. However, I doubt the Iggles would get rid of him while Wentz is rehabbing. It will be an interesting offseason for them.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1187961]A lot of NFL teams will be enamored by Foles performance in the SB. However, I doubt the Iggles would get rid of him while Wentz is rehabbing. It will be an interesting offseason for them.[/quote]

I wouldn't doubt the Eagles get rid of Foles. If they don't, they get nothing for him next year. What the Eagles could do is trade him during next season. Have him start the season if Wentz isn't ready, and trade him once Wentz is back.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1187958]After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit. Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.[/QUOTE]


Why would a SB MVP be a lot cheaper?

Kirk is going to be an unrestricted free agent, he’s not going to cost anything draft pick wise. Foles will have to come via a trade and I don’t think the Eagles will just give him away.

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[quote=MTK;1187965]Why would a SB MVP be a lot cheaper?

Kirk is going to be an unrestricted free agent, he’s not going to cost anything draft pick wise. Foles will have to come via a trade and I don’t think the Eagles will just give him away.[/quote]

Is it pretty much a certainty that the Eagles will trade Foles this off-season?
And the trade deal would have Foles signed to a LTD With another team?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1187969]Is it pretty much a certainty that the Eagles will trade Foles this off-season?
And the trade deal would have Foles signed to a LTD With another team?[/quote]

Wentz went down with an ACL injury late in the season. If Wentz shows any signs of not being ready by the start of the season, Foles will likely be retained (unless he sits out and starts demanding to be traded).

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[quote=MTK;1187965]Why would a SB MVP be a lot cheaper?

Kirk is going to be an unrestricted free agent, he’s not going to cost anything draft pick wise. Foles will have to come via a trade and I don’t think the Eagles will just give him away.[/quote]

Absolutely not. I believe, at minimum, the Eagles ask for a 2nd and 3rd for Foles. Having said that, unless the Eagles restructure his contract, he's going to be a free agent in 2019 with the final three years of his contract void. So, there's a bit of an urgency for the Eagles to trade him to get top value now, as opposed to letting him out right walk in 2019.

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Eagles need to clear some cap space too and Foles hit is $7.6M

NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Eagles are short on cap space heading into 2018

[url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/05/eagles-are-short-on-cap-space-heading-into-2018/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1187991]Eagles need to clear some cap space too and Foles hit is $7.6M

NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Eagles are short on cap space heading into 2018

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/05/eagles-are-short-on-cap-space-heading-into-2018/]Eagles are short on cap space heading into 2018 – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

They cant keep Foles, he will make way more $$ on the market and he deserves it

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[quote=MTK;1187991]Eagles need to clear some cap space too and Foles hit is $7.6M

NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Eagles are short on cap space heading into 2018

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/05/eagles-are-short-on-cap-space-heading-into-2018/]Eagles are short on cap space heading into 2018 – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

The Salary cap sucks.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1187958]After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit.[B][U] Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.[/U][/B][/quote]

No it does not.

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I heard Cousins is headed to the XFL [emoji38]

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[quote=MTK;1187995]I heard Cousins is headed to the XFL [emoji38][/quote]

That would be something! Cousins and RGIII playing in the XFL!

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I am going to my thoughts on the idea of us franchising Kirk and trading him here, I invite honest discussion and feedback.

How would this work> Redskins would Franchise Kirk, and attempt to trade him before the draft. We would invite his agent to negotiate a long-term deal, while we workout possible compensation with the other team. If this is true, the team has to have an agreement in play with a possible team.

Why would Kirk do this?

> To lock-in $34mm for one year

> Because Redskins could pay him that money and make him sit out of football for a year. Highly unlikely, but I think this management group is crazy enough to do it.

> Lost of opportunity- When the desired team of choice gets another QB.

Why would he not do it...

> Pissing match with Redskins brass.

> He can bank on them not keeping $34 mm on the books.

> The prospect of truly becoming a Free Agent

> His future team losing draft picks in the exchange for him.

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What happens if the Redskins place the exclusive tag on Cousins just to keep him from leaving for one more year, but he doesn't sign it? Does he have to sit out the entire season?

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Why would another team do it?
> He is the arguably the best option on the market

> If a team believes that he wouldn't consider then seriously otherwise and has the cap room, why not go for it?
> The coach or person involved needs to results immediately.

I think one of the many monkey wrenches in this plan is Nick Foles. Why pay top dollar in a trade for Cousins, when you can get the Superbowl MVP.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1188023]What happens if the Redskins place the exclusive tag on Cousins just to keep him from leaving for one more year, but he doesn't sign it? Does he have to sit out the entire season?[/quote]

Can't play without a contract