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Well it’s Monday and no one has been fired,if no ones been fired by now after that shit show yesterday than no ones getting fired,what a terrible time to be a skins fan,it’s just sad

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Don't nut just yet Htown, Black Monday is an all-day affair.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1215517]Gruden is delusional. He said that " we can play with anyone when healthy." WTF is he talking about? You got blown out by the Saints, you got blown out by an average Falcons team and were not competitive against the Colts. You had your starting QB in those games and your defense intact.[/quote]

They were also getting housed by Houston thanks to AS throwing the ball towide opendefenders.

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[quote=mooby;1215490]Move Bruce to business ops, fire Manusky and bring in Todd Bowlens, possibly promote Kyle Smith to GM? It's a start.[/quote]

sounds good.

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We are not doomed to become the worst in the league, but we’re doomed to worse. We will have everyone healthy going into next season except for Alex, which will give Allen Gruden Snyder and even us some hope. But we will have no strategic direction, no plan to get better, and we’ll end up 8-8 or so again.

The problem isn’t that we’re headed to 3-13. The problem is our ceiling is 9-7.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1215515]I keep hearing about how Callahan's practices with the o-line are too intense. But no one has made anything out of it.[/quote]

They need to figure out what Kerrigan is doing, that guy is an iron man

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Per Burgundy Blog

After 11K votes, 89% want Bruce Allen fired. Please note: It was 98% before poll was retweeted by @MatthewBerryTMR, after which point, thousands of non-#Redskins fans started voting to keep him.


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215534]Per Burgundy Blog

After 11K votes, 89% want Bruce Allen fired. Please note: It was 98% before poll was retweeted by @MatthewBerryTMR, after which point, thousands of non-#Redskins fans started voting to keep him.


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In other news the sky is blue today.

I don't think this #FireBruceAllen thing goes far enough. We should be holding Snyder's feet to the fire.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1215532]They need to figure out what Kerrigan is doing, that guy is an iron man[/QUOTE]Yes. And from what I saw, I do think warm ups aren't complete enough. Proprioception and muscular mobilization won't prevent broken legs but could help avoid a lot of these muscle and ligament injuries.

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New crews headed to Redskins Park

Headed to Ashburn for #Redskins breakdown day. We'll hear from players starting around 9:30am, Jay Gruden around 3 and put a tidy bow on 2018.


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Joe Gibbs was at the game and met with Snyder yesterday. There’s a Washington Times piece speculating a Gibbs return. Possibly President, or other front office position

[url]https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/dan-snyder-brings-joe-gibbs-back-unholy-mess-redsk/[/url]


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215539]Joe Gibbs was at the game and met with Snyder yesterday. There’s a Washington Times piece speculating a Gibbs return. Possibly President, or other front office position

[url]https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/dan-snyder-brings-joe-gibbs-back-unholy-mess-redsk/[/url]


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Gibbs, Cooley...where is Joey T going?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1215537]Yes. And from what I saw, I do think warm ups aren't complete enough. Proprioception and muscular mobilization won't prevent broken legs but could help avoid a lot of these muscle and ligament injuries.

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I agree. DYoungJelly posted a twitter video of the Skins warming up and it was pathetic.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215539]Joe Gibbs was at the game and met with Snyder yesterday. There’s a Washington Times piece speculating a Gibbs return. Possibly President, or other front office position

[url]https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/dan-snyder-brings-joe-gibbs-back-unholy-mess-redsk/[/url]


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That reeks of desperation but classic Snyder trying to win back fans by looking to the past and not to the future.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1215545]That reeks of desperation but classic Snyder trying to win back fans by looking to the past and not to the future.[/quote]

Exactly, this is his go to move. Fuckin idiot. He needs to get rid of most the front office and bring in an executive from a competent organization to run the franchise.

I don’t want Gibbs, I don’t want Cooley, I don’t want ex skins.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1215539]Joe Gibbs was at the game and met with Snyder yesterday. There’s a Washington Times piece speculating a Gibbs return. Possibly President, or other front office position

[url]https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/dan-snyder-brings-joe-gibbs-back-unholy-mess-redsk/[/url]


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This is not the main point of the article, but i do get annoyed when writers describe Snyder and Allen as “hiding” in response to the backlash of the foster signing and sending out Williams to take the heat. This implies that Williams is being pushed out there to do something that one of them really should be doing.

Doug Williams is SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER PERSONNEL. I would say talking to the media about player acquisitions fits squarely in his job description.






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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215548]This is not the main point of the article, but i do get annoyed when writers describe Snyder and Allen as “hiding” in response to the backlash of the foster signing and sending out Williams to take the heat. This implies that Williams is being pushed out there to do something that one of them really should be doing.

Doug Williams is SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER PERSONNEL. I would say talking to the media about player acquisitions fits squarely in his job description.






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But you can BET it wasn’t WIlliams decision to bring Foster in. People typically in Doug WIlliams position make personnel moves WITHOUT people like Snyder and Allen involved, so they can speak on their decisions.

Since Foster reeks of Snyder and Allen THEY can go out in front of the press and explain it


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215518]It was mostly jay. They didn’t get along and jay wanted more power over player personnel. Scots regularly being drunk on the job was a nice excuse.


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1215549]But you can BET it wasn’t WIlliams decision to bring Foster in. People typically in Doug WIlliams position make personnel moves WITHOUT people like Snyder and Allen involved, so they can speak on their decisions.

Since Foster reeks of Snyder and Allen THEY can go out in front of the press and explain it


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I highly doubt Snyder is involved in 90% of personnel decisions.... only if a significant contract is involved.

You seem to think that Williams wouldn’t do move this terrible - but he called it “small potatoes.” Williams is the one who said those words. If anything, this indicates that Williams was the driving force behind the acquisition - or if it was him and Allen, Williams was in support of it. You don’t call abusing women “small potatoes” if you were strongly opposed to the move.

Williams May have been a great quarterback, but I’m honestly not impressed with him as the face / voice of the personnel department. In my opinion, neither he or Allen are qualified for their current jobs.

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7 questions

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-face-7-major-questions-heading-offseason[/url]

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I really hope these rumors about Gibbs are not true. We need to let the past be the past.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1215555]I really hope these rumors about Gibbs are not true. We need to let the past be the past.[/quote]

Let Joe rest, enjoy his NASCAR gig. I don’t want Joe’s image tarnished by a dumbass owner.

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Some black Monday deals have already started. Lewis out in Cincy. Gase in Miami

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[quote=skinsfan69;1215555]I really hope these rumors about Gibbs are not true. We need to let the past be the past.[/quote]

Agreed. That cow has been milked dry.

At least I think Gibbs is too smart to get back in the game now.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1215557]Some black Monday deals have already started. [B]Lewis out in Cincy[/B]. Gase in Miami[/quote]

5 years overdue.

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Finley is speculating Gibbs is in town because Dan doesn't know what to do and is asking him for advice.

He said usually when Gibbs or somebody like that is in town there is some sort of media promotion.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1215527]Well it’s Monday and no one has been fired,if no ones been fired by now after that shit show yesterday than no ones getting fired,what a terrible time to be a skins fan,it’s just sad[/QUOTE]I agree, and I still believe no major shake up coming...

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1215561]Finley is speculating Gibbs is in town because Dan doesn't know what to do and is asking him for advice.

He said usually when Gibbs or somebody like that is in town there is some sort of media promotion.

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That sounds very reasonable. Hopefully Gibbs doesn’t have a soft spot for Bruce and advise Dan to keep him around.


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I want some fucking blood and i want it now!!!!!

Note - This was typed in all caps. WP auto changed it to a normal sentence structure.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215561]Finley is speculating Gibbs is in town because Dan doesn't know what to do and is asking him for advice.

He said usually when Gibbs or somebody like that is in town there is some sort of media promotion.

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All Snyder had to do was look at his stadium full of Eagles fans, look at an offense that had under 100 yards, a defense that could not stop basic dump off passes and that should tell him what to do.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1215567]All Snyder had to do was look at his stadium full of Eagles fans, look at an offense that had under 100 yards, a defense that could not stop basic dump off passes and that should tell him what to do.[/QUOTE]



So yesterdays game should have told Snyder to Fire everyone.... Then what?

It’s easy to say a house should be torn down - the hard part is figuring out how to rebuild, especially when very few people will want to come and help you


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215568]So yesterdays game should have told Snyder to Fire everyone.... Then what?

It’s easy to say a house should be torn down - the hard part is figuring out how to rebuild, especially when very few people will want to come and help you


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Hire a GM. Let the GM work with the owner to hire a coach. Let the GM/Coach work together to hire a staff. Let the GM/Coach/Staff work together to build the roster.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1215567]All Snyder had to do was look at his stadium full of Eagles fans, look at an offense that had under 100 yards, a defense that could not stop basic dump off passes and that should tell him what to do.[/quote]

Read in a WaPo article that I posted in another thread that those close to Snyder are saying privately that he is not fully grasping the extent of the fans discontent. That I and of itself does not bode well.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1215553]7 questions

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-face-7-major-questions-heading-offseason[/url][/quote]

From the article:

"4. Pay or Go?

Preston Smith and Jamison Crowder headline the Redskins players that face free agency this offseason. Neither had stellar campaigns in 2018, but both have shown plenty of [B]potential throughout four seasons[/B] in Washington."

The part I bolded is something that must come to an end at Redskins Park, among the media that follow the Skins, and among us fans. The very idea that a player is still showing "potential" after four years on the roster is rubbish. We desperately need to find a sense of urgency from the top down at Redskins Park.

It can never be proven, but I believe that if Jack Kent Cooke still owned this franchise that Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden would be long gone from here. Cooke didn't try to tell the GM or HC how to run the team. Nevertheless, he [U]demanded [/U] results from them or they would be fired PDQ. Cooke wanted to fire Joe Gibbs in his first year as HC when the team lost its first five games while trying to run the "Air Coryell" system with which Joe was familiar. Bobby Beathard had to fight to keep Joe Gibbs. But Gibbs had to win to stay and, he realized, that he had to change to win. So, five games in as HC, Gibbs looked at his personnel to see how he might turn things around. That is when "The Hogs" were born and John Riggins, "The Diesel", and his power running became the new focus of the offense. Then the team went 8-3 the rest of the way. OK?

Now, when has Jay Gruden ever changed one fucking thing about his sacred system? Never! Worse than that, he took on the play-calling duties himself, something at which he is entirely predictable, unimaginative, and at which he failed miserably, IMO. He was brought in to win enough to go to the playoffs and compete for championships. He hasn't done that. Why, then should he stay as HC? He shouldn't. He should't. And neither should Bruce Allen.

I think that Dan Snyder has become complacent. Perhaps he's a kinder, gentler version of his old self. Here how I imagine the "new" Dan Snyder's conversations with Jay And Bruce.

Dan: "What's that you guys are telling me? You had a lot of injuries? That's true. I don't know how you poor victims can even field a team, much less win games with such bad luck. You say you haven't been able to find a decent Left Guard for five years? My, they must be very hard to find. Well, keep trying, guys. You say you want to re-sign Preston Smith and Jamison Crowder? Well, if they have the kind of potential you say they do, then I encourage you to re-signed.

Here's how I imagine such a meeting would go with the "old" Dan Snyder:

Dan: "Hey, fuck you two with all your whining and excuse-making! I hired you to build a winning football organization. You both failed. So, you're both fired!"

I think I liked the "old" Dan Snyder better.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215568][B]So yesterdays game should have told Snyder to Fire everyone.... Then what?
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It’s easy to say a house should be torn down - the hard part is figuring out how to rebuild, especially when very few people will want to come and help you


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He cannot be that faint-hearted and hope to build a team. Time for Dan to say "Fuck it!", fire everyone, and then consult with the football minds he respects most to help him move forward.

What is going on now would not be acceptable to a determined CEO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1215575]From the article:

"4. Pay or Go?

Preston Smith and Jamison Crowder headline the Redskins players that face free agency this offseason. Neither had stellar campaigns in 2018, but both have shown plenty of [B]potential throughout four seasons[/B] in Washington."

The part I bolded is something that must come to an end at Redskins Park, among the media that follow the Skins, and among us fans. The very idea that a player is still showing "potential" after four years on the roster is rubbish. We desperately need to find a sense of urgency from the top down at Redskins Park.

It can never be proven, but I believe that if Jack Kent Cooke still owned this franchise that Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden would be long gone from here. Cooke didn't try to tell the GM or HC how to run the team. Nevertheless, he [U]demanded [/U]results from them or they would be fired PDQ. Cooke wanted to fire Joe Gibbs in his first year as HC when the team lost its first five games while trying to run the "Air Coryell" system with which Joe was familiar. Bobby Beathard had to fight to keep Joe Gibbs. But Gibbs had to win to stay and, he realized, that he had to change to win. So, five games in as HC, Gibbs looked at his personnel to see how he might turn things around. That is when "The Hogs" were born and John Riggins, "The Diesel", and his power running became the new focus of the offense. Then the team went 8-3 the rest of the way. OK?

Now, when has Jay Gruden ever changed one fucking thing about his sacred system? Never! Worse than that, he took on the play-calling duties himself, something at which he is entirely predictable, unimaginative, and at which he failed miserably, IMO. He was brought in to win enough to go to the playoffs and compete for championships. He hasn't done that. Why, then should he stay as HC? He shouldn't. He should't. And neither should Bruce Allen.

I think that Dan Snyder has become complacent. Perhaps he's a kinder, gentler version of his old self. Here how I imagine the "new" Dan Snyder's conversations with Jay And Bruce.

Dan: "What's that you guys are telling me? You had a lot of injuries? That's true. I don't know how you poor victims can even field a team, much less win games with such bad luck. You say you haven't been able to find a decent Left Guard for five years? My, they must be very hard to find. Well, keep trying, guys. You want to re-sign Preston Smith and Jamison Crowder? Well, if they have the kind of potential you say they do, then I encourage you to re-signed.

Here how I imagine such a meeting would go with the "old" Dan Snyder:

Hey. fuck you two with all your whining and excuse-making! I hired you to build a winning football organization. You both failed. So, you're both fired!

I think I liked the "old" Dan Snyder better.[/quote]

The "old" Dan Snyder is why nobody wants to work with the "new" one.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215561]Finley is speculating Gibbs is in town because Dan doesn't know what to do and is asking him for advice.

He said usually when Gibbs or somebody like that is in town there is some sort of media promotion.

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I floated that same idea recently, that Snyder needs to consult with someone he trusts, someone like Gibbs

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Let’s play owner..Allen is moved out of the position or fired... who would you hire as a GM to run this team? (No coaches are let go before the new GM is hired and let him decide)

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I'd promote Schaffer to GM