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[quote=Schneed10;1226031]I’ve been searching and still see nothing reported. [B]Neither Spotrac or Overthecap have it either[/B]. I agree this will tell us a lot.[/quote]

Yep, that's were I started my "research" too... I was wondering if anybody had some deep twitter noise or anything... (getting antsy ^^)

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According to Kevin Sheehan, they did tell him to get it checked out over the past couple years. They said it was a cyst and nothing to worry about, but he should still get it checked out.

I know what it feels like to have a cancer scare, a lot of people have been through that, but blaming other people is kind of an immature response, honestly. Dude needs to take responsibility for his own lack of concern. Instead, (if DHall's report was accurate) he is asking for potentially several people to lose their jobs, for not realizing it was more serious and urging him to have it taken care of (K. Sheehan).

I have a weird skin thing. Have had it for a couple years. My mom is an NP. I showed her and she said it's nothing, just a skin tag, but should probably get it checked out. Of course I had a dermatologist look at it. Now that's my mom, and not my employer's medical staff. She gave me life, she wants me healthy more than anyone. If I waited 2 years because she said it's probably nothing, and it turned out to be something, that's on me.

I feel y'all that this sucks. It's so fucking typical of the Redskins, but I can't pin it on the organization.

Now, maybe you could say that if Bruce were a better GM he might be able to fix this without overpaying for Trent to come back. Yeah, maybe... but for certain the reputation of the organization under his leadership makes it more difficult to smooth things over in this type of situation.

I feel for what Trent is going through, but honestly, if he's actually asking for others to lose their jobs and potentially hurt their careers irreparably because of his feelings, let al ok ne placing that guilt trip at their feet, than he's kinda being a dick... and I hate that'd this is happening, but at what point is his perspective on this going to be a problem in the locker room? Dude needs to go.

To finish my rant, I'm pissed to see how many people are so fucking willing to say fire these trainers and medical professionals they know nothing about because they want to keep their favorite player. That's super fucking ridiculous. If they're fired for performance, by all means, but not because the star player is blaming then for his cancer scare. They make not even a fraction of what that man does. He can go fucking console himself in his mansion for God's sake.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1226037]According to Kevin Sheehan, they did tell him to get it checked out over the past couple years. They said it was a cyst and nothing to worry about, but he should still get it checked out.

I know what it feels like to have a cancer scare, a lot of people have been through that, but blaming other people is kind of an immature response, honestly. Dude needs to take responsibility for his own lack of concern. Instead, (if DHall's report was accurate) he is asking for potentially several people to lose their jobs, for not realizing it was more serious and urging him to have it taken care of (K. Sheehan).

I have a weird skin thing. Have had it for a couple years. My mom is an NP. I showed her and she said it's nothing, just a skin tag, but should probably get it checked out. Of course I had a dermatologist look at it. Now that's my mom, and not my employer's medical staff. She gave me life, she wants me healthy more than anyone. If I waited 2 years because she said it's probably nothing, and it turned out to be something, that's on me.

I feel y'all that this sucks. It's so fucking typical of the Redskins, but I can't pin it on the organization.

Now, maybe you could say that if Bruce were a better GM he might be able to fix this without overpaying for Trent to come back. Yeah, maybe... but for certain the reputation of the organization under his leadership makes it more difficult to smooth things over in this type of situation.

I feel for what Trent is going through, but honestly, if he's actually asking for others to lose their jobs and potentially hurt their careers irreparably because of his feelings, let al ok ne placing that guilt trip at their feet, than he's kinda being a dick... and I hate that'd this is happening, but at what point is his perspective on this going to be a problem in the locker room? Dude needs to go.

To finish my rant, I'm pissed to see how many people are so fucking willing to say fire these trainers and medical professionals they know nothing about because they want to keep their favorite player. That's super fucking ridiculous. If they're fired for performance, by all means, but not because the star player is blaming then for his cancer scare. They make not even a fraction of what that man does. He can go fucking console himself in his mansion for God's sake.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I hear you, but lets not pretend that the medical staff has been stellar. Remember the Guice infections, even AS' infections. A house cleaning would not be the worst thing in the world.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1226037]According to Kevin Sheehan, they did tell him to get it checked out over the past couple years. They said it was a cyst and nothing to worry about, but he should still get it checked out.

I know what it feels like to have a cancer scare, a lot of people have been through that, but blaming other people is kind of an immature response, honestly. Dude needs to take responsibility for his own lack of concern. Instead, (if DHall's report was accurate) he is asking for potentially several people to lose their jobs, for not realizing it was more serious and urging him to have it taken care of (K. Sheehan).

I have a weird skin thing. Have had it for a couple years. My mom is an NP. I showed her and she said it's nothing, just a skin tag, but should probably get it checked out. Of course I had a dermatologist look at it. Now that's my mom, and not my employer's medical staff. She gave me life, she wants me healthy more than anyone. If I waited 2 years because she said it's probably nothing, and it turned out to be something, that's on me.

I feel y'all that this sucks. It's so fucking typical of the Redskins, but I can't pin it on the organization.

Now, maybe you could say that if Bruce were a better GM he might be able to fix this without overpaying for Trent to come back. Yeah, maybe... but for certain the reputation of the organization under his leadership makes it more difficult to smooth things over in this type of situation.

I feel for what Trent is going through, but honestly, if he's actually asking for others to lose their jobs and potentially hurt their careers irreparably because of his feelings, let al ok ne placing that guilt trip at their feet, than he's kinda being a dick... and I hate that'd this is happening, but at what point is his perspective on this going to be a problem in the locker room? Dude needs to go.

To finish my rant, I'm pissed to see how many people are so fucking willing to say fire these trainers and medical professionals they know nothing about because they want to keep their favorite player. That's super fucking ridiculous. If they're fired for performance, by all means, but not because the star player is blaming then for his cancer scare. They make not even a fraction of what that man does. He can go fucking console himself in his mansion for God's sake.

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Bruce needs to be fired. Regardless of who’s fault this situation is, it’s been a nonstop cycle of drama, negativity, and turmoil under Bruce Allen’s watch. We’ve seen a massive exodus of staff, empty stadiums, one bad PR stunt after the other, and a losing record almost every year.

Bruce Allen is ultimately responsible for the performance of the organization aside from Snyder. Bruce Allen is the “neck to choke”.

Bruce Allen needs to go. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has had enough.


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[quote=WillH;1226037]According to Kevin Sheehan, they did tell him to get it checked out over the past couple years. They said it was a cyst and nothing to worry about, but he should still get it checked out.

I know what it feels like to have a cancer scare, a lot of people have been through that, but blaming other people is kind of an immature response, honestly. Dude needs to take responsibility for his own lack of concern. Instead, (if DHall's report was accurate) he is asking for potentially several people to lose their jobs, for not realizing it was more serious and urging him to have it taken care of (K. Sheehan).

I have a weird skin thing. Have had it for a couple years. My mom is an NP. I showed her and she said it's nothing, just a skin tag, but should probably get it checked out. Of course I had a dermatologist look at it. Now that's my mom, and not my employer's medical staff. She gave me life, she wants me healthy more than anyone. If I waited 2 years because she said it's probably nothing, and it turned out to be something, that's on me.

I feel y'all that this sucks. It's so fucking typical of the Redskins, but I can't pin it on the organization.

Now, maybe you could say that if Bruce were a better GM he might be able to fix this without overpaying for Trent to come back. Yeah, maybe... but for certain the reputation of the organization under his leadership makes it more difficult to smooth things over in this type of situation.

I feel for what Trent is going through, but honestly, if he's actually asking for others to lose their jobs and potentially hurt their careers irreparably because of his feelings, let al ok ne placing that guilt trip at their feet, than he's kinda being a dick... and I hate that'd this is happening, but at what point is his perspective on this going to be a problem in the locker room? Dude needs to go.

To finish my rant, I'm pissed to see how many people are so fucking willing to say fire these trainers and medical professionals they know nothing about because they want to keep their favorite player. That's super fucking ridiculous. If they're fired for performance, by all means, but not because the star player is blaming then for his cancer scare. They make not even a fraction of what that man does. He can go fucking console himself in his mansion for God's sake.

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Good points.

Plus, that so called D Hall "report" that TW wants the training staff fired is wayyy overblown IMO, if you listen to the [URL="https://youtu.be/Wg1lxWNhUaA?t=39"]actual video[/URL] , it seems more like some words thrown in there to illustrate his point than an actual statement, the next question is [U][I]"Does he just not want to be here?"[/I][/U] D Hall answers [I][U]"I don't think that's the case at all"[/U][/I].

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According to another article, Trent isn’t even ready, medically or in NFL shape to practice yet.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226038]I hear you, but lets not pretend that the medical staff has been stellar. Remember the Guice infections, even AS' infections. A house cleaning would not be the worst thing in the world.

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Yes, but we're not seeing Alex or Guice going nuclear with the team.

Honestly, I'm done with Trent. Team needs to move on from him. I appreciate what he has been for the team, but I just don't see how the team can make him happy, and even if they team can make him happy, that could be detrimental to the team. I'd rather use that money to get Schreff's deal done.

I'm not dismissing the medical issue, but I agree with WillH that this is not completely on the organization. Also, I feel that Trent's people are using this to perhaps leverage money. If he's not, then Trent should f*cking up man up and speak about this instead of playing around like he wants more money.

I don't want to dismiss the dysfunction in the organization, but at the same time I'm sick of this bad luck shit that keeps happening to us.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1226038]I hear you, but lets not pretend that the medical staff has been stellar. Remember the Guice infections, even AS' infections. A house cleaning would not be the worst thing in the world.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Dude, that's not Redskins staff, those infections happened in the hospital.

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Now if you wanna talk about dysfunction in the organization...

[url]https://beta.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/31/redskins-have-faced-business-staff-exodus-since-firing-brian-lafemina/?outputType=amp[/url]

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106.7 The Fan reports that holdout Redskins LT Trent Williams is "telling friends he's prepared to sit out the season."


Reporter Craig Hoffman also confirms that Williams requested a trade in June. Per Hoffman, the Redskins are "confused" by Williams' demands. He has reportedly "not demanded specific changes on the medical staff" and has been "silent in attempts to negotiate a new contract." It seems what Williams wants most of all is to get out of Washington. There has been zero indication the Redskins are considering accommodating him


Craig Hoffman, legit source imo

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he wont sit the season

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1226063]106.7 The Fan reports that holdout Redskins LT Trent Williams is "telling friends he's prepared to sit out the season."





Reporter Craig Hoffman also confirms that Williams requested a trade in June. Per Hoffman, the Redskins are "confused" by Williams' demands. He has reportedly "not demanded specific changes on the medical staff" and has been "silent in attempts to negotiate a new contract." It seems what Williams wants most of all is to get out of Washington. There has been zero indication the Redskins are considering accommodating him





Craig Hoffman, legit source imo[/QUOTE]If Trent doesn't want to play there is no way the redskins can make him. It's really a shame that it's come to this, especially because it sounds like there was confusion between Williams and the redskins. I didn't think he was going to miss any games but at this point it seems inevitable that he does. In that case if the redskins can get a trade they ought to do it.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1226041]According to another article, Trent isn’t even ready, medically or in NFL shape to practice yet.[/QUOTE]Link to the article?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1226066]Link to the article?

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That's not necessary, there is no way Williams is out of shape.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1226066]Link to the article?

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]It sounds more like BA throwing mud through rumors

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226064]he wont sit the season[/quote]

I don't think so either...but that damn Can of Worms was opened up by Le'von Bell last year. And we have other hold out players (Gordon) threaten the same action.

The big problem, if that [B]truly[/B] is Trent's strategy, he has 2 more years left on his deal. He aint sitting 2.

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So Trent is upset the team docs told him the cyst was no big deal, but according to reports the team also told him to get it checked out just in case. At some point Trent has to own his part of the situation. Why didn't he get a 2nd opinion sooner?

I still think this can be resolved with $$ and he's using this medical scare as leverage. I'm on the side that Sheehan has been talking about. I wouldn't give him a ton of new $$ with an extension. But I'm ok with guaranteeing more of his 2020 money. If that's not going to get the job done I'm fine with dealing him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226068]It sounds more like BA throwing mud through rumors

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Right out of the BA play book.

And folks wonder why is viewed as a complete jackass and most untrustworthy GM across the league? Seriously, why is he running this Org?

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[quote=MTK;1226070]So Trent is upset the team docs told him the cyst was no big deal, but according to reports the team also told him to get it checked out just in case. [B]At some point Trent has to own his part of the situation. Why didn't he get a 2nd opinion sooner[/B]?

I still think this can be resolved with $$ and he's using this medical scare as leverage. I'm on the side that Sheehan has been talking about. I wouldn't give him a ton of new $$ with an extension. But I'm ok with guaranteeing more of his 2020 money. If that's not going to get the job done I'm fine with dealing him.[/quote]

When it comes down too it, you are responsible...I agree.

Yup, Sheehan was hitting the nail on the head....do we really want a 45-60 million dollar extension for Trent at his age and health? No. But Kicking him more guarantee money would absolutely be fine. My problem is....SHOULDNT BRUCE AND DAN be at Trent house getting this shit done? I mean, do something, the later it goes...

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Bruce would just make the situation worse. Nobody likes the guy except Dan. Bruce would probably do something similar to what he did w/ Cousins and make the situation worse.

If I were the Redskins it'd be real simple. Either you play or sit home. If we get fair market value, like a 1st rounder then we'll trade you. Those are your only options.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1226078]Bruce would just make the situation worse. Nobody likes the guy except Dan. Bruce would probably do something similar to what he did w/ Cousins and make the situation worse.



If I were the Redskins it'd be real simple. Either you play or sit home. If we get fair market value, like a 1st rounder then we'll trade you. Those are your only options.[/QUOTE]Would you let his agent talk to other teams?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1226078]
If I were the Redskins it'd be real simple. Either you play or sit home. If we get fair market value, like a 1st rounder then we'll trade you. Those are your only options.[/quote]


Managing 53+ players is not real simple.
Managing the salary cap is not real simple.
Winning is not real simple.

Bruce and Jay is keeping it real simple is going to lead this team to a 4 win season.

Swearinger - Team Captain and ProBowl Caliber
Mason Foster - Team Captain and leading tackler
Trent Williams - Team Captain, All-Pro, and Redskins Legend

These are 3 guys were recently voted team captain by their peers.
DJ was cut before the end of the season. Foster was cut on the way to camp. Trent has concerns about the medical staff and the team is basically saying take it or leave it.

The next set of captains will say the right things to the media but I will fucking guarantee that Scherf and Jon Allen have their eyes open to what is going on with this coaching staff and front office. Players on the team respect Trent more than they respect Bruce, Jay and Dan.

This is a bigger issue than just not having our all pro LT.

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[quote=jamf;1226084]Managing 53+ players is not real simple.
Managing the salary cap is not real simple.
Winning is not real simple.

Bruce and Jay is keeping it real simple is going to lead this team to a 4 win season.

Swearinger - Team Captain and ProBowl Caliber
Mason Foster - Team Captain and leading tackler
Trent Williams - Team Captain, All-Pro, and Redskins Legend

These are 3 guys were recently voted team captain by their peers.
DJ was cut before the end of the season. Foster was cut on the way to camp. Trent has concerns about the medical staff and the team is basically saying take it or leave it.

The next set of captains will say the right things to the media but I will fucking guarantee that Scherf and Jon Allen have their eyes open to what is going on with this coaching staff and front office. Players on the team respect Trent more than they respect Bruce, Jay and Dan.

This is a bigger issue than just not having our all pro LT.[/quote]

Strong Post.

Damn JAMF, now IM MORE ANGRY!!!!

I would say this team is in a transition tho when it comes to leadership...on defense Jonathan Allen is the leader it needs. The Alabama boys matter.

On Offense, there is an opportunity. How the team responds does matter...Trent voice is extremely important.

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[quote=jamf;1226084]Managing 53+ players is not real simple.
Managing the salary cap is not real simple.
Winning is not real simple.

Bruce and Jay is keeping it real simple is going to lead this team to a 4 win season.

Swearinger - Team Captain and ProBowl Caliber
Mason Foster - Team Captain and leading tackler
Trent Williams - Team Captain, All-Pro, and Redskins Legend

These are 3 guys were recently voted team captain by their peers.
DJ was cut before the end of the season. Foster was cut on the way to camp. Trent has concerns about the medical staff and the team is basically saying take it or leave it.

The next set of captains will say the right things to the media but I will fucking guarantee that Scherf and Jon Allen have their eyes open to what is going on with this coaching staff and front office. Players on the team respect Trent more than they respect Bruce, Jay and Dan.

This is a bigger issue than just not having our all pro LT.[/quote]

DJ asked for it though, u cant keep bashing your bosses in public..

Foster sucks

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We finally have contract details for Donald Penn, via Rap Sheet:

[QUOTE]If Donald Penn is the starting left tackle for the #Redskins, he can make $5.03M in 2019, source said. He gets a signing bonus of $250K, the only guarantee. He’s also got a base salary of $1.03M, 46-man active roster bonuses worth $750K and incentives up to $3M more.[/QUOTE]

This is truly a contract meant to cover all the bases. To me it says the Redskins don't have any idea whether Trent will come back or not. They're hoping for the best and planning for the worst. Penn's base level of pay of $1.0M, basically vet minimum, is what he'll get if he rides the bench the whole season. That screams depth move.

But the Redskins built in incentives that could pay him as much as $5.0M if he ends up the starter all year. That's a big upside to expose yourself to, the only way you'd do that is if you felt you needed to get someone in to start in the event your stud doesn't play.

I think it says the Redskins have no idea whether they'll have Trent or not. It's enough of a real reason for Chicken Little to squeal.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1225898]Penn sucks, he’s a holding machine. Let’s get real the guy is 36, his best days arr way over.[/QUOTE]



2017 wasn’t that long ago. Im holding out hope he can get us through the year. Because TW is never putting on a Skins uniform again.

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Whitworth is old too and he has been great in recent yrs

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I think there is something to this perspective for sure, but Foster and Swearinger were not performing well and were airing the dirty laundry publicly. That's never the right move. In the short term, this team is better without then. I will concede that it's likely that internal discussion being silenced is most likely a contributing factor. It's all about the culture, and everyone that has come in with a message about culture change has been dumped within a year. Notably, McCloughan and LaFamina. This is a Bruce and Dan problem. I heard somewhere the other day that there is a perspective of someone with knowledge of the organization that Bruce is just a straw man, and that Dan is still making decisions. I didn't believe that for awhile and I'm still not sure I do, the approach has changed drastically under Bruce, especially as it regards negotiation and team building. That said, it would explain the loyalty to Bruce despite...well... everything.

I have no idea if the organization will ever change, I guess I'm just watching with the hope that they can stumble into a championship despite themselves.

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[quote=jamf;1226084]Managing 53+ players is not real simple.
Managing the salary cap is not real simple.
Winning is not real simple.

Bruce and Jay is keeping it real simple is going to lead this team to a 4 win season.

Swearinger - Team Captain and ProBowl Caliber
Mason Foster - Team Captain and leading tackler
Trent Williams - Team Captain, All-Pro, and Redskins Legend

These are 3 guys were recently voted team captain by their peers.
DJ was cut before the end of the season. Foster was cut on the way to camp. Trent has concerns about the medical staff and the team is basically saying take it or leave it.

The next set of captains will say the right things to the media but I will fucking guarantee that Scherf and Jon Allen have their eyes open to what is going on with this coaching staff and front office. Players on the team respect Trent more than they respect Bruce, Jay and Dan.

This is a bigger issue than just not having our all pro LT.[/quote]

I don't buy into DJ being a team leader. He said he was a team leader but there are several statements by players and observations by respected beat reporters which run contrary to him being a true team leader.

Sundberg, on Finlay's podcast disputed DJ was voted team captain and then stripped of the title by the coaching staff. Who do you trust more, DJ or Sundberg?

Jon Allen immediately and intentionally contradicted DJ's assertion the coaches were putting the players in bad positions after the Tenn game. Whether or not the calls were bad is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Allen called BS on DJ immediately and intentionally. Allen doesn't talk crap and doesn't stir up crap. I think it's very telling about DJ's "leadership" when a 2nd year player in a different position group publicly disputes DJ.

There were many reports toward the end of last season that DJ was freelancing in the secondary and not playing within the scheme creating breakdowns in coverage and responsibilities in the run game.

He was a pro-bowl talent and the most vocal player on the team. That doesn't make him a leader.

I agree 100% with the rest of your post.

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[quote=Schneed10;1226090]We finally have contract details for Donald Penn, via Rap Sheet:



This is truly a contract meant to cover all the bases. To me it says the Redskins don't have any idea whether Trent will come back or not. They're hoping for the best and planning for the worst. Penn's base level of pay of $1.0M, basically vet minimum, is what he'll get if he rides the bench the whole season. That screams depth move.

But the Redskins built in incentives that could pay him as much as $5.0M if he ends up the starter all year. That's a big upside to expose yourself to, the only way you'd do that is if you felt you needed to get someone in to start in the event your stud doesn't play.

I think it says the Redskins have no idea whether they'll have Trent or not. It's enough of a real reason for Chicken Little to squeal.[/quote]

Thanks for finding it! Have to give Redskins credit for having a back up plan although I hope this does not mean Redskins are not actively trying to resolve issues with Williams..

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I say trade the bum right now!

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[quote=httr198020;1226097]I say trade the bum right now![/quote]

On the current roster, which players are better than Trent?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1226098]On the current roster, which players are better than Trent?[/quote]

Not a single one. He’s our best. Kerrigan is next, and Collins is after that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1226099]Not a single one. He’s our best. Kerrigan is next, and Collins is after that.[/quote]

Kerrigan has not missed a game, that puts him ahead of Trent in my book, if I have to pick one.

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There’s an article floating possible trade partners. In there it mentions Redskins trading WIlliams to Houston for a 2020 first rounder, or Redskins trading WIlliams to Jacksonville for Jalen Ramsey. I’d take either one at this point


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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1226100]Kerrigan has not missed a game, that puts him ahead of Trent in my book, if I have to pick one.[/QUOTE]Kerrigan is good. He isn't elite and never has been.

Trent is a freak. Strength, speed, size, agility. He can do things no other tackle can do.

Kerrigan is durable and really good but Schneed is right on, he isn't close to Trent.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1226098]On the current roster, which players are better than Trent?[/quote]

None of them is better than Trent. But Trent doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here we should trade him and get some picks.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1226090]We finally have contract details for Donald Penn, via Rap Sheet:







This is truly a contract meant to cover all the bases. To me it says the Redskins don't have any idea whether Trent will come back or not. They're hoping for the best and planning for the worst. Penn's base level of pay of $1.0M, basically vet minimum, is what he'll get if he rides the bench the whole season. That screams depth move.



But the Redskins built in incentives that could pay him as much as $5.0M if he ends up the starter all year. That's a big upside to expose yourself to, the only way you'd do that is if you felt you needed to get someone in to start in the event your stud doesn't play.



I think it says the Redskins have no idea whether they'll have Trent or not. It's enough of a real reason for Chicken Little to squeal.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the update!
I do think it's a pretty smart deal considering the situation, and gives the organisation leverage: if TW comes back, they have a cheap solid swing back up, if he doesn't they have a more than decent veteran starter.

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[quote=httr198020;1226103]None of them is better than Trent. But Trent doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here we should trade him and get some picks.[/quote]

Today he is the best player on our team.

[quote=httr198020;1224259]Let me make something crystal clear for you and the rest of people here. I'm not about to get up in arms about some overrated, overpaid loser like Trent Williams. You can kiss his ass all you want. I'm not going to do it. I've seen this bum jump off sides, get holding calls calls in critical times, get abused mediocre pass rushers, and he's always injured. If he doesn't want to be here then we should let him go. It's bad enough he's nowhere near as good as he gets credit for. But for him to wait till the day of mandatory mini camp show me that he doesn't care about this team or the fans. I say trade this bum right now and lets go full rebuild mode.[/quote]

On June 4th, in post #14 from this thread, he was being abused by mediocre pass rushers.

He played through severe injuries and what had to be excruciating pain, knowing it would take a toll on his longevity for this team.

Troll.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1226102]Kerrigan is good. He isn't elite and never has been.

Trent is a freak. Strength, speed, size, agility. He can do things no other tackle can do.

Kerrigan is durable and really good but Schneed is right on, he isn't close to Trent.

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The funny thing about this post is that guy, who fans aside from yourself think is only "good" has a legit chance at becoming the Redskins all-time sack leader this upcoming season. If that's how we're setting the bar I can't wait until we get one of those elite pass rushers.