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[quote=AnonEmouse;1248564]I suspect RR is worried about us replicating the Rams and going SB or bust so wasn't going to go all out in FA, especially with a thin crop. But I agree that we've been too cautious. We needed to strengthen at least at CB, FS, 2 or 3 LB spots, TE, WR and OL, particularly TE and OL. For me, if they decided to go all out on D we'd have at least picked up the likes of Boston, Littleton, Schobel and Jones, leaving the draft to pick up O. Instead we made a 70% effort to sign Cooper, 90% effort for Hooper and missed out on the best LB and DB prospects. So we have depth, and maybe there is a lot to be said for the impact of character and culture across the whole team. But I agree we missed out on 2-3 ideal guys at least and I'm not sure why. As said, we can't carry across cap space so what are we going to do with so much spare sloshing around this year? Who's coming up in FA next year to warrant avoiding expensive multi year contracts this year? Are we looking to make a few pre/post draft trades that eat up cap?

I like the idea of playing our cards close to our chest, but we're in danger of telling the rest of the league we don't actually have a hand if we're not careful.[/quote]

70% effort on Cooper? We reportedly offered him $110 million over 5 years. More than any team in the league, including Dallas. So you're saying we should have offered $145 million? Really? Frankly, I think our offer was too much as it was, and I'm glad he didn't take it. I do like the idea of only offering big money to the very best out there in free agency, and not overpay for talent that isn't quite star quality. Otherwise, minor improvements to our roster with veteran role players with some upside at little cost or risk doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

By the way, unused cap space can be carried forward. You are wrong about that.

I disagree with your apparent overall viewpoint that we should outbid every team on every player. Heck, we've overpaid for has-been players for years. That's been part of our problem under Bruce Allen. The "win the off-season" approach failed miserably. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing what Rivera and Smith can do, and I'm willing to give them the chance to do it.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1248562]So their plan going into free agency was to spend next to nothing and to make no significant improvements in the team ?????? You know, I am NOT ok with that. I am not saying that they had to spend like crazy up to the cap. But I am saying they could have tried to add starting level talent to the team rather than adding a bunch of injured, re-tread and "never was" players and hoping to catch lighting in a bottle. I mean, look at the offensive line ......... it is bad joke. And a threat to the health of Haskins.[/quote]

What exactly are you looking for? You're "not saying" that they had to spend like crazy up to the cap, yet you apparently wanted them to outbid Dallas and Cleveland for Cooper and Hooper... I like the receivers currently on the roster, and the draft is DEEP in that position, so I'm glad Cooper resigned with the Cowboys. Hooper? Well, he was probably the best TE available, which is why Cleveland overpaid for him. That is what you had to do to land him - supply & demand... I'm glad they passed.

I actually think they improved the secondary bringing in Fuller and Davis, and letting Norman, Dunbar and Nicholson hit the road. There's a lot of young talent there, and I'm sure they aren't done adding to it.

The O-line is basically what it was last year...I mean no one knew what they were going to get with Flowers at LG going into last season. He did alright, but I imagine he's replaceable with Martin, plus they added some depth...so Schweitzer missed a blitz last year? I guess he's the only O-lineman that did that huh?

I think the team can be competitive as is - with the new regime...IF Haskins (or the QB position in general) takes a step forward.

Carrying cap space forward is a good thing. There's a lot of
"potentially" core players whose contracts are up in the next couple years - Allen, Foster, Moreau, Guice, etc. Having money to retain your own is a big thing moving forward. The new regime just needs time to really evaluate what they have and who fits in their systems.

Yeah, so far I'm fine with pretty much everything that has been done - or not done...

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[quote=Number44;1248575]70% effort on Cooper? We reportedly offered him $110 million over 5 years. More than any team in the league, including Dallas. So you're saying we should have offered $145 million? Really? Frankly, I think our offer was too much as it was, and I'm glad he didn't take it. I do like the idea of only offering big money to the very best out there in free agency, and not overpay for talent that isn't quite star quality. Otherwise, minor improvements to our roster with veteran role players with some upside at little cost or risk doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

By the way, unused cap space can be carried forward. You are wrong about that.

I disagree with your apparent overall viewpoint that we should outbid every team on every player. Heck, we've overpaid for has-been players for years. That's been part of our problem under Bruce Allen. The "win the off-season" approach failed miserably. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing what Rivera and Smith can do, and I'm willing to give them the chance to do it.[/quote]

I meant we put 70% effort into the negotiations, not offered 70% of what we should. If we'd sounded him out on what it would take to leave Dallas, we may not have got him anyway because of the tax situation (US tax system always confuses me, but probably no worse than ours😊). What I read makes it sound like we didn't come close enough for him to consider the offer. That's all.

And I'm definitely not saying we should outbid every team, but there were guys that at least on the face of it either didn't negotiate with or didn't do so seriously. I can only go by what I can see on the web, so maybe you guys know more, but aside from the bids on Cooper & Hooper, I've seen no sign of approaches to some of the names I mentioned. From what I saw and read about Littleton, for example, he would be a good fit. Did we even try?

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Sorry misunderstood about carrying cap space. But don't we have a requirement to spend at least 89%? With the numbers being talked about, we must be a way under that right now?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1248586]I meant we put 70% effort into the negotiations, not offered 70% of what we should. If we'd sounded him out on what it would take to leave Dallas, we may not have got him anyway because of the tax situation (US tax system always confuses me, but probably no worse than ours😊). What I read makes it sound like we didn't come close enough for him to consider the offer. That's all.

And I'm definitely not saying we should outbid every team, but there were guys that at least on the face of it either didn't negotiate with or didn't do so seriously. I can only go by what I can see on the web, so maybe you guys know more, but aside from the bids on Cooper & Hooper, I've seen no sign of approaches to some of the names I mentioned. From what I saw and read about Littleton, for example, he would be a good fit. Did we even try?[/quote]

Again, Dallas offered $37mil more in guarantees. It probably wasn't a tough decision for Cooper to make.

I think perhaps they might like to see what they have in Hamilton, Bostic, Clemons, Foster, Holcomb, Anderson, Pierre-Louis, etc, before ponying up $32mil for another linebacker.

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Chief X I am looking at their offensive line which is a really bad joke right now with just two proven legit NFL players on it right now. Heck they should have been looking to upgrade from Moses and instead he is now pretty much a lock to make the team. With a young QB, RR should have been looking to provide him with the best protection possible. He has not done that. Heck it does not even look as if he tried to develop a good quality offensive line to protect his young QB.

I want to be clear, I am not as concerned about the receivers. But to me he has failed in acquiring talent for a reliable offensive line.

Second, I am concerned about his failure to get a strong replacement for Dunbar. If he wants to be a defense first team, he should have spent the money to acquire a very good DB to replace Dunbar and have a true "lock down" defense. Derby IS NOT what I or any reasonable football should have had in mind.

The fact is the only "hole" RR seems to have filled is depth at RB if Guice is hurt again. Beyond that he has done nothing much. His acquisition for Fuller is off set by his loss of Dunbar.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1248591]Chief X I am looking at their offensive line which is a really bad joke right now with just two proven legit NFL players on it right now. Heck they should have been looking to upgrade from Moses and instead he is now pretty much a lock to make the team. With a young QB, RR should have been looking to provide him with the best protection possible. He has not done that. Heck it does not even look as if he tried to [B]develop[/B] a good quality offensive line to protect his young QB.

I want to be clear, I am not as concerned about the receivers. But to me he has failed in acquiring talent for a reliable offensive line.

Second, I am concerned about his failure to get a strong replacement for Dunbar. If he wants to be a defense first team, he should have spent the money to acquire a very good DB to replace Dunbar and have a true "lock down" defense. Derby IS NOT what I or any reasonable football should have had in mind.

The fact is the only "hole" RR seems to have filled is depth at RB if Guice is hurt again. Beyond that he has done nothing much. His acquisition for Fuller is off set by his loss of Dunbar.[/quote]

Develop is the key word. I have heard more than once that they like the current roster, and are eager to see what they can get out of the current roster with better coaching and leadership.

Fact is, they have added to the O-line. Time will tell, but Lucas is probably equal to or better than Penn at this point in their careers. Martin showed what he's capable of and is probably equal to or better than Flowers - higher ceiling. The rest is the same, with arguably better depth now. They still have the TW situation to unfold, and I doubt they are done...

Patience is a virtue...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1248586] (US tax system always confuses me, but probably no worse than ours😊).
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Actually, they have simplified our system. We have a new 2-line tax return form:

Line 1: How much did you earn in 2019?

Line 2: Send it in.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1248591]Chief X I am looking at their offensive line which is a really bad joke right now with just two proven legit NFL players on it right now. Heck they should have been looking to upgrade from Moses and instead he is now pretty much a lock to make the team. With a young QB, RR should have been looking to provide him with the best protection possible. He has not done that. Heck it does not even look as if he tried to develop a good quality offensive line to protect his young QB.

I want to be clear, I am not as concerned about the receivers. But to me he has failed in acquiring talent for a reliable offensive line.

Second, I am concerned about his failure to get a strong replacement for Dunbar. If he wants to be a defense first team, he should have spent the money to acquire a very good DB to replace Dunbar and have a true "lock down" defense. Derby IS NOT what I or any reasonable football should have had in mind.

The fact is the only "hole" RR seems to have filled is depth at RB if Guice is hurt again. Beyond that he has done nothing much. His acquisition for Fuller is off set by his loss of Dunbar.[/quote]

You apparently seem certain that Darby won't return to his career norm. I'm not so sure about that and apparently RR isn't, either.

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[quote=Number44;1248599]You apparently seem certain that Darby won't return to his career norm. I'm not so sure about that and apparently RR isn't, either.[/quote]

Players with Darby's injury history rarely do ,I think it was a decent signing for depth.

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Depth yes. But he is being signed as a likely starter. That is the problem.

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Currently your looking at Moreau/Fuller/Darby, with Moreland, Johnson, Stroman, Thomas as the backups.

I like the top 4, especially if Darby is fully healthy, but it wouldn't hurt to add another piece, either from a cap casualty before the season, or in the draft.

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I'm sure Fuller will go back to the slot which is great.. Darby is a good 2 if he's healthy. Still need a #1

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I think Fuller is currently the #1. Morneau or Darby will likely be the other outside CB, with Moreland in the slot. I can see them being interchangeable depending on the situation/personnel though.

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Stephen A Smith says its a lock we take Young... That means we are screwed lol

Also added "The redskins would consider taking a QB, I've been told the owner is strongly against that, so I think they will be forced to take Young"

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1248697]Stephen A Smith says its a lock we take Young... That means we are screwed lol

Also added "The redskins would consider taking a QB, I've been told the owner is strongly against that, so I think they will be forced to take Young"[/QUOTE]


We get Chase Young. Let’s say he’s as good or as great as predicted. When was the last time the Redskins had a real Superstar? Sean Taylor, and then just for a couple years?

Having a real superstar like Young will transform our defense immediately. Sweat and the rest of the DL will be suddenly far better than before due to Young. Plus, the defensive coaching will move from being the worst in the NFL, to one of the best.

So we add a superstar at Edge. We change the coaching and improve it to the best in the NFL. We bring back Fuller and make other improvements. In one season we move from the bottom of the NFL for defense to the top of it. The offense will not improve that much better.


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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1248697]Stephen A Smith says its a lock we take Young... That means we are screwed lol

Also added "The redskins would consider taking a QB, I've been told the owner is strongly against that, so I think they will be forced to take Young"[/QUOTE]


lol forced to take Young... oh the horror of having to take the best player in the draft


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[quote=MTK;1248962]lol forced to take Young... oh the horror of having to take the best player in the draft


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It's almost as bad as Beyonce forcing you to have sex with her.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1248964]It's almost as bad as Beyonce forcing you to have sex with her.[/quote]

Sounds like the worst nightmare that could ever happen

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Beyonce?? She's hot and all but give me Riahana

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She wouldn't go with you, you can't spell her name right ;)

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LOL Ok I'll take Taylor Swift then..

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Taylor Swift? Lol. Hard pass.

Taylor Swift is the Florio of music.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248971]Beyonce?? She's hot and all but give me Riahana[/quote]

Rihanna looks like a fucking chicken. im on Beyoncé.

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gwen stefani ftw

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248983]Taylor Swift? Lol. Hard pass.

Taylor Swift is the Florio of music.[/quote]

She got no hip or tits and some really dumb opinions. Trifecta of worthless

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[quote=Chico23231;1248986]She got no hip or tits and some really dumb opinions. Trifecta of worthless[/quote]

She has the girl next door hotness to me, Kay adams style

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I'm happy either way, but with a gun to my head, I'm taking the 3 picks.

Also, Rihanna.......yikes.

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Britney because I'm into the no makeup messy hair used up look w droopy tits under a loose fitting tank.

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If Chase Young came in here and read the way this thread is going he'd beg us not to draft him🤣

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Y’all in full quarantine mode. I read the last 6 posts like wtf?!?! Y’all wild.



JLo

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JLO is still so fine

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2 weeks til we draft Chase Young

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248993]JLO is still so fine

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True, but if any of the ladies mentioned so far turned up at my door begging me for it, I wouldn't say no, Covid be damned!

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Sheehan saying from national source...I forget who, Miami could up offer to 4 first round picks to draft the QB they want.

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[quote=Chico23231;1249002]Sheehan saying from national source...I forget who, Miami could up offer to 4 first round picks to draft the QB they want.[/quote]

????

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[quote=Chico23231;1249002]Sheehan saying from national source...I forget who, Miami could up offer to 4 first round picks to draft the QB they want.[/quote]

Clickbait, bro.. The key word in that sentence is "could" - in other words, Sheehan is saying that Miami has the ammo to do it so they can do it, but it does not necessarily mean Miami is considering it, or even if they thought of it.

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[quote=GridIron26;1249004]Clickbait, bro.. The key word in that sentence is "could" - in other words, Sheehan is saying that Miami has the ammo to do it so they can do it, but it does not necessarily mean Miami is considering it, or even if they thought of it.[/quote]

If they offer 4, it wouldn’t be for our pick...that would be for the first and Burrow

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Miami wants Burrow and there has been some rumors that the Bengals really like Tua and Herbert as well so they could move down.. Don't see it tho.

Also here is a passage from RR This week.

“When you’re in the first five spots, those have to be immediate impact guys. They’re going to be guys that you’re going to put on the field right away and they’re going to play. That’s always been my kind of philosophy,” Rivers said. “Secondly, if you’re going to make a trade and you’re going to go back, that guy that you’re going to take at that spot has to make the kind of impact you need to validate missing an opportunity to take a player that’s a high impact guy. In other words, if you’re going to pass up player A, and you go back, and you take player D, player D has to be equal to player A, you know what I’m saying? Because if player A is going to play for you for 10 years, and player D might not, did you really get value, or did you just get a whole bunch of picks?

“So you’ve got to be able to sit there and say that the next guy that I’m going to take is going to be that high impact guy. And that’s what I’m looking for, that’s what I believe we need. We need a guy just to come in and really change our football team. To me, there’s a few guys on that board that are those kinds of players. I’d like to believe in the back of my mind I know what we want to do. But you’ve got to go through the process.”

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[quote=Chico23231;1249005]If they offer 4, it wouldn’t be for our pick...that would be for the first and Burrow[/quote]

Yeah that would make sense. If I'm the Miami GM, it would take a lot to convince me to give up the picks for one player..