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Still no cap announcement?

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1278627][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/calculated-yet-aggressive-now-time-ron-rivera-push-gas[/url]



There are nine teams that are currently over the cap, which will force major changes.

Another seven teams have fewer than $10 million available under the cap, much of which would be swallowed up by the incoming 2021 draft class.[/QUOTE]When there is blood in the streets that is the time to buy!!

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Not going to post a NFL Gamepass for you guys to click on but the article was one FA pick for every team:
Washington Football Team
Allen Robinson

WR | Age: 27
Washington is in need of a replacement at outside linebacker and must add a corner or two, but with a ton of cap space relative to the projected decreased number, let's go big-game fishing. Robinson is likely either headed for a franchise tag or free agency, and if he hits the open market, he can fetch a healthy offer from Washington, which needs another high-quality receiver to pair with Terry McLaurin for whomever will be taking snaps for the Football Team.

I bet he gets tagged but it would be awesome to get a new offensive toy in the prime of his career.

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I like Arob but paying a WR big$$ without a QB is pointless

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278647]I like Arob but paying a WR big$$ without a QB is pointless[/quote]

and you would think he would want to go somewhere with a quality QB in place

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[quote=MTK;1278648]and you would think he would want to go somewhere with a quality QB in place[/quote]

He hinted about playing in Jax with sunshine so that's possible

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I thought it was an odd FA choice Washington based on all things considered.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278649]He hinted about playing in Jax with sunshine so that's possible[/quote]

Income tax free state of Florida. Honestly Id want to play in Florida, Texas, Seattle as well.

Bears have 190M committed to next year already .. thats without Allen Robinson being calculated into anything.

I keep waiting for this tsunami of cut good players due to cap issues ... I hope Im not disappointed.

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[quote=MTK;1278648]and you would think he would want to go somewhere with a quality QB in place[/quote]

Yep, it's going to be tough to lure a quality free agent WR here with the QB situation as it is.

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Yeah I doubt Kyle Allen and Taylor Heineke are very attractive to pass catchers...

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[quote=MTK;1278648]and you would think he would want to go somewhere with a quality QB in place[/quote]

And go somewhere where he's the uncontested WR1 (and get paid WR1 $$).

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[quote=SunnySide;1278651]Income tax free state of Florida. Honestly Id want to play in Florida, Texas, Seattle as well.

Bears have 190M committed to next year already .. thats without Allen Robinson being calculated into anything.

I keep waiting for this tsunami of cut good players due to cap issues ... I hope Im not disappointed.[/quote]

Even if no more cut, some real bargains for the patient in free agency. Interesting question I don't know the answer to, do you sign a FA WR 75% as good as the elite for 40% of the price?

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Tomorrow is the tag deadline, unless it gets extended. NFL still hasn't announced the actual salary cap yet.

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The team has tagged Brandon Scherff per Rap sheet

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1278630]Just wanted to throw this out there: [URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defensive-line/"]more than half the league spends 30M+ on Dline, and 7 teams 40M+...[/URL] so would it be that crazy to think we could retain Allen AND Payne ? (Assuming we'd be ready to let Scherff go and not make a splashy signing at QB, which both seem quite likely right now).[/quote]

You could make it work, but the question is would you want to? If you are going to, probably aren't signing a big name WR either. Percent of cap is the meaningful metric, not absolute dollar amount, percent of cap is by definition always inflation adjusted. If we resign Allen this year for $15M, Payne next year for $15M, Sweat year after for $20M, Young year after for $25M, in 2024 that is $75M on DL. Even if we were super optimistic and said cap would be $225M by then, a $45M increase or a 25% increase, then we have a third of our cap allocated to DL not including 4 other DL. There are 6 main position groups, and QB usually consumes more once you resign one, but roughly 16.7% percent for QBs; OL; WRs, RBs, TEs; DL; LBs, CBs/Ss. And lumping WR, RB, TE together is being generous. It would put a lot of strain on rest of team, but you could do it if you had a serious long term plan and rolled lots of money over year to year. Basically, our DL would take the salary of an entire other position group.

As I wrote in a previous post, I prefer keeping both edge rushers and Payne, simply because edge rushers the high leverage position and Payne to me is more talented than Allen. The ideal scenario would be to trade him for a 2nd plus a later pick, but doubt we can.

I would absolutely take Allen over Scherff simply because he is younger and healthier and RG is lowest leverage position on entire team, but even that may not make it viable. I'd rather have two devastating edge rushers, Payne, and plug Io, Settle, or some other similar player in at other DT. You could find someone serviceable but not as good as Allen in 3rd or 4th round or older guy with some gas left on cheap contract.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278706]The team has tagged Brandon Scherff per Rap sheet[/quote]

Still making the same mistakes. More leverage for Scherff and a bloated salary.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278708]Still making the same mistakes. More leverage for Scherff and a bloated salary.[/quote]

Probably. We can but hope it is a tag and trade, but I doubt it. More speculatively, it could mean a trade-up in draft is planned, but that might be reading too much into it. If we could get a 3rd for Scherff, that is probably the best we could hope for.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1278708]Still making the same mistakes. More leverage for Scherff and a bloated salary.[/QUOTE]Or they could trade him if they can'twork out a deal. I'd rather get compensation now instead of waiting for a comp pick next year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278712]Or they could trade him if they can'twork out a deal. I'd rather get compensation now instead of waiting for a comp pick next year.

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Not sure how many teams want to trade for a guard making 18 million and will be a FA again in 1 year.

What round pick would you accept for him?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278706]The team has tagged Brandon Scherff per Rap sheet[/quote]

... I don't get it. Are we gonna win the SB next year ? Cuz he ain't signing any deal unless it's significantly higher than what he could get in FA next year...

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JMO we should of let Scherff test the market.

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[QUOTE=Scalper;1278703]Even if no more cut, some real bargains for the patient in free agency. Interesting question I don't know the answer to, do you sign a FA WR 75% as good as the elite for 40% of the price?[/QUOTE]

To me if you do that you may as well keep Sims and Sims, and maybe group Harmon with those 2 (he's still a relative unknown quantity). To my mind if S. Sims wants too much then we let him walk and maybe bring in a 2nd tier FA to replace him like for like (Davis type?), but that could be a zero sum game at best.

More like, we go after and land one of the big targets, or draft a #1a/#2 WR then pick up a 2nd tier guy in the lower rounds. I doubt we get Robinson or Golladay, as mentioned elsewhere they're likely to go where there's a QB. But Fuller or Samuel would be good #2's to Scary.

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I don't have a big problem with tagging Scherff. It's a one year rental while we have chance to draft in a replacement. It might be nice to get a trade offer, but I doubt it, and I don't see along term contract coming in the next few weeks unless he agrees something more cap friendly; why would he?

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1278721]I don't have a big problem with tagging Scherff. It's a one year rental while we have chance to draft in a replacement. It might be nice to get a trade offer, but I doubt it, and I don't see along term contract coming in the next few weeks unless he agrees something more cap friendly; why would he?[/QUOTE]Wasn't there cheaper RG to plug and play while waiting for a draft replacement ?

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Unless they plan on making a massive FA splash and try to be a contender, tagging Scherff makes zero sense IMO

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Yes I am OK with tagging him, I wonder which tag it is? Will they let him search out other offers, in exchange for some day 2 draft picks. Apparently both sides wanted a deal, so someone is fibbing. Annoys me that it reduces our cap flexibility un-necessarily. With all the Gs that are going to be free agents the market is going to be depressed. Wonder if ex-Carolina guy, Norwell?, who signed for Jax and may be released because of his large salary may be on Ron's radar.

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Obviously the coaches really like Scherff. I don't have a problem with this, my best guess is the coaches doesn't want to risk losing Scherff so they tagged him to gain more time to negotiate the new contract for him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278713]Not sure how many teams want to trade for a guard making 18 million and will be a FA again in 1 year.

What round pick would you accept for him?[/quote]

If a trade were to happen, I'm pretty sure both Scherff and the team would do a new deal. And I don't know about compensation, but anything better than a comp pick would be a win.

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If I'm BS unless I get a ton of guaranteed $$ in a LT offer I'm playing under the tag this year, collecting my $18M guaranteed, and hitting free agency next year for another bite at the apple. I think we just blew our shot at getting a long term deal done.

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I just don't understand paying a guard 18 mil

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[quote=MTK;1278736]If I'm BS unless I get a ton of guaranteed $$ in a LT offer I'm playing under the tag this year, collecting my $18M guaranteed, and hitting free agency next year for another bite at the apple. I think we just blew our shot at getting a long term deal done.[/quote]

Yep. Kirk Cousins part 2. Very disappointing.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1278736]If I'm BS unless I get a ton of guaranteed $$ in a LT offer I'm playing under the tag this year, collecting my $18M guaranteed, and hitting free agency next year for another bite at the apple. I think we just blew our shot at getting a long term deal done.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. He doesn't owe Ron shit, so why would he sign anything less than a monster contract ?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1278724]Unless they plan on making a massive FA splash and try to be a contender, tagging Scherff makes zero sense IMO

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Why would they not try to be a contender? Of course it all revolves around what happens at QB, but I think that's the point - be a contender.

Tagging Scherff isn't the most popular or ideal scenario, but next to McLaurin he is currently your best player on offense. He solidifies that right side, making Moses and Roullier better, and was the best player on the 6th best offensive line in the NFL. Sure, a long term deal would have been better (and still would be), but I don't think they could just let him walk.

They could still get a deal done that reduces this year's cap hit, but it takes both sides. He may be happy taking his 18mil and walking next year. Unfortunately, that's the game...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278741]Tagging Scherff isn't the most popular or ideal scenario, but next to McLaurin he is currently your best player on offense. He solidifies that right side, making Moses and Roullier better, and was the best player on the 6th best offensive line in the NFL. Sure, a long term deal would have been better (and still would be), but I don't think they could just let him walk.

They could still get a deal done that reduces this year's cap hit, but it takes both sides. He may be happy taking his 18mil and walking next year. Unfortunately, that's the game...[/quote]

Yep.

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I guess at this point you hope to get one more quality season out of him, and he walks next year going on age 31 having played his best 7 seasons here. For Brandon with the potential for a big bump in the cap next year he has little incentive to get a long term deal done now that he has $18M in his pocket.

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What this random know nothing fan would have done

- offered him 4 yrs/62M/45 guar
- let him explore other offers, we leave the 4/62 on table for him and he gives us right to match any offer (or transition tag him)
- He realizes with shrinking cap and flood of good guards, our offer is best and he signs it
- He finds a better offer, we dont match, we sign a good FA guard for 5-8M, collect our 3rd R comp

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He didnt sign his tag until March 31 last year .. maybe we find a better option in FA on march 17th and pull the tag.

Not a fan of paying a guard 18 M plus, especially a guard who is just outside the top 5 guards

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[quote=SunnySide;1278746]What this random know nothing fan would have done

- offered him 4 yrs/62M/45 guar
- let him explore other offers, we leave the 4/62 on table for him and he gives us right to match any offer (or transition tag him)
- He realizes with shrinking cap and flood of good guards, our offer is best and he signs it
- He finds a better offer, we dont match, we sign a good FA guard for 5-8M, collect our 3rd R comp

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He didnt sign his tag until March 31 last year .. maybe we find a better option in FA on march 17th and pull the tag.

Not a fan of paying a guard 18 M plus, especially a guard who is just outside the top 5 guards[/quote]

He would be an [B]I D I O T[/B] if he doesn't sign that thing when he first wakes up this morning, if he hasn't already signed it.

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[quote=SunnySide;1278746]What this random know nothing fan would have done

- offered him 4 yrs/62M/45 guar
- let him explore other offers, we leave the 4/62 on table for him and he gives us right to match any offer (or transition tag him)
- He realizes with shrinking cap and flood of good guards, our offer is best and he signs it
- He finds a better offer, we dont match, we sign a good FA guard for 5-8M, collect our 3rd R comp

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He didnt sign his tag until March 31 last year .. maybe we find a better option in FA on march 17th and pull the tag.

Not a fan of paying a guard 18 M plus, especially a guard who is just outside the top 5 guards[/quote]

That would've been the logical choice for me too. He's worthy of another 4 year stretch but any longer and I would've been hesitant.

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[quote=Redskins247;1278739]Yep. Kirk Cousins part 2. Very disappointing.[/quote]

Different situation IMO:

- BS probably wants to play here if he gets the right deal.

- If there is an opportunity to trade BS, I think this team makes it happen and will not stubbornly keep him.

- I'm probably being picky here, but I think Kirk was in his prime when his situation happened. I would say BS is slightly past his prime.

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[quote=MTK;1278745]I guess at this point you hope to get one more quality season out of him, and he walks next year going on age 31 having played his best 7 seasons here. For Brandon with the potential for a big bump in the cap next year he has little incentive to get a long term deal done now that he has $18M in his pocket.[/quote]

This. I think this all but guarantees he never signs long term contract here. Just going to extract 1 more prime year out of him and let him walk hopefully.