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Accuracy wavers for Heinicke, an undersized passer not blessed with a strong right arm. Yet he completed 42 of 52 passes for four touchdowns and zero interceptions in the past two wins, including 16 of 22 at Carolina. His completion percentage above expectation, 19.5, topped all Week 11 quarterbacks through Sunday, per Next Gen Stats

“(Heinicke) is just a guy who plays to win it,” Panthers cornerback and former teammate Donte Jackson said. “He really competed today and it was nice. I was very impressed.”

Though Heinicked finished with only 206 yards — Washington gashed Carolina for 190 rushing yards — he remained aggressive. His 12.5 average intended air yards led all quarterbacks this week.

“He’s going out there and has full grasp of the offense,” Carter said. “He’s letting it rip.”

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[QUOTE=ODUWFT;1300604]Makes me laugh when people criticize someone for a post then write the exact same post that made them laugh but with their spin. What do you think you are doing! lol Your taking a small sample size and making a judgement that it is CLEAR he isnt a long term starter! Also realize not all of us have a small sample size some of us watched him up close for 4 years.

Sure the odds are he isnt the long term elite starter or for that matter just an average long term starter because it is difficult.

But realize any point you make that he isnt someone can make a point that they think he is at this point. The only thing your looking at is arm strength because he has some elite physical skills other then the arm. What makes me laugh is so many posters get hung up on arm strength.

I keep hearing accuracy and mention of missed throws, sorry the 66% completion dont support that conclusion. So much more then just arm strength goes into being a good QB, so much more![/QUOTE]

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Or I didn't use enough words...

He looks perfectly capable of starting and I think he can be a long term solution at #2 (which is after all why they re-signed him) because he knows how to play and has some intangibles that are highly desirable. BUT without a cannon, he's always going to be measured against some strong armed kid coming out of college and if that kid has similar intangibles, he'll get the starting gig over TH. It's simple; if you need your QB to put the ball on a dime with an out route in a key situation, you need a guy with a cannon. If you need to be able to execute a Hail Mary outside your opponents 45 you need a guy with a cannon. If you need to execute a quick fire timed passing attack against a tough defense, you need a guy with a cannon. That's just the way the NFL is, very few guys with weak arms survive very long as starters.

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[quote=Chico23231;1300606]I couldn’t figure out who Taylor looked like, but I placed it today. TH looks like a short Chipper Jones. Lil Chip[/quote]

I was thinking the kid from We are the millers but I can see Chipper.

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You guys are getting paid?

I used to think that movie was stupid AF but it's grown on me.

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[quote=jamf;1300647]I was thinking the kid from We are the millers but I can see Chipper.

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Good call

But can TH pull a “Chipper” which is fuck a Hooters waitress, while married, and have a love child? Then the Larry Jones circle is complete.

Hittin a hooters waitress with the pole was every man goal when living in the 90s.

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How about we just get a guy in here that looks like Tom Brady and can play QB like him.

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[quote=mredskins;1300653]How about we just get a guy in here that looks like Tom Brady and can play QB like him.[/quote]

31 teams are actively trying to do that

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1300633]I wouldn't count it out. If you want the best QB, you might have to get him in the first. My guess is there will be more than one QB taken in the first round, even if the assessment is that it's a weak QB class.[/quote]

And they will be reaches - by definition a reach is a waste of draft capital. You can take the best QB in the 1st but the likely result is you will be looking to take another QB in the 1st in 2023 or 2024.

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I don't see many random NFL Avatar's anymore.. 2 game win streak and #4 has us believing!!

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Its great that WFT has won two in a row with Heinicke at QB. Unfortunately all this does is give the false impression that Heinicke somehow has a future as WFT's starter.

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[quote=irish;1300683]Its great that WFT has won two in a row with Heinicke at QB. Unfortunately all this does is give the false impression that Heinicke somehow has a future as WFT's starter.[/quote]

It's not impossible - Kirk's first season as starter he started terrible as well until it clicked in the Tampa Bay game and we came back to win from 27-3 down.

Not saying the same thing will happen with Taylor but if he keeps this momentum going there's no reason we can't look at him as the starter for next year (I'd still draft a qb though).

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[quote=mooby;1300692]It's not impossible - Kirk's first season as starter he started terrible as well until it clicked in the Tampa Bay game and we came back to win from 27-3 down.

Not saying the same thing will happen with Taylor but if he keeps this momentum going there's no reason we can't look at him as the starter for next year (I'd still draft a qb though).[/quote]

Heinicke looks like 2021 Nick Foles. Comes in for the injured starter and plays well but by the next season he's nowhere. Heinicke is fools gold.

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While I think this team has what it takes to make a run, every week I am anticipating a bad game by TH. Part of it is him, and the other part of it just comes from being a Redskins fan for so long. I think the key is going to be whether this defense can continue to improve so TH doesn't feel like he has to do too much. He's played pretty well the last couple games. I hope he can continue that. If he does, and the defense keeps getting better, this team is definitely in the mix in the NFC.

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[QUOTE=irish;1300696]Heinicke looks like 2021 Nick Foles. Comes in for the injured starter and plays well but by the next season he's nowhere. Heinicke is fools gold.[/QUOTE]


Maybe. Definitely maybe. But Foles had more than ten games under his belt at the time. Imo jury is still out on Heinekes long term, or lack of long term success.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1300744]Maybe. Definitely maybe. But Foles had more than ten games under his belt at the time. Imo jury is still out on Heinekes long term, or lack of long term success.[/QUOTE]10 games and very little stability in his receiving corps. Seems like he is developing a good relationships with the receiving group and that has helped him get better too.

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It would not have mattered who was at QB the first part of season .. the D was so bad No QB could overcome that .. it’s funny the D played better so did the Offense.. The jury is still out on TH who knows how this will play out .. everybody was saying Hurts sucked for philly … hmmm , everyone thinks Jones is a bum for Giants .. Cam played okay and the team lost .. I’d take Taylor over all of them plus no more talk of trubisky or such nonsense as that .. The Draft class is weak at QB so let’s not reach and waste a pick .. Mac Jones would easily be the number one QB this year and we made no attempt to get him .. My hope is Taylor continues to play well and we don’t have to reach ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1300798]It would not have mattered who was at QB the first part of season .. the D was so bad No QB could overcome that .. it’s funny the D played better so did the Offense.. The jury is still out on TH who knows how this will play out .. everybody was saying Hurts sucked for philly … hmmm , everyone thinks Jones is a bum for Giants .. Cam played okay and the team lost .. I’d take Taylor over all of them plus no more talk of trubisky or such nonsense as that .. The Draft class is weak at QB so let’s not reach and waste a pick .. Mac Jones would easily be the number one QB this year and we made no attempt to get him .. My hope is Taylor continues to play well and we don’t have to reach ..[/QUOTE]These are my thoughts in your post. How did you do that?? [emoji1]

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I’ll be at game Monday night … damn I hope we win !!

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[quote=irish;1300696]Heinicke looks like 2021 Nick Foles. Comes in for the injured starter and plays well but by the next season he's nowhere. Heinicke is fools gold.[/quote]

He plays a couple good games and all the other bad games are forgotten..lol. I'm rooting for him, at least he is fun to watch.

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Couple of good games ?
His ratings this year
His good games
LA 119.3
Giants 99.5
Atl 127.1
TB 110
Car 141.3
His worse games
Saints 47.6
Den 70
KC 70
Buff 80.6
GB 86

Yes he had a couple very bad games .. but he has had more than a couple good games ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1300822]Couple of good games ?
His ratings this year
His good games
LA 119.3
Giants 99.5
Atl 127.1
TB 110
Car 141.3
His worse games
Saints 47.6
Den 70
KC 70
Buff 80.6
GB 86

Yes he had a couple very bad games .. but he has had more than a couple good games ..[/quote]

Ok he has w/out question played more than two good games but I really don't pay too much attention to QB rating stats. It's more of an eye test, it's more of can he QB carry an offense, can a QB put the ball in the end zone. I think those are things that we are still finding out.

TH belongs in the NFL. It just goes to show that drafting a QB is incredibly difficult and it involves some luck. Haskins went to a big school and was on TV every week. He was a really good college QB and has a big arm. He had all the measurables. TH went to a tiny school, went undrafted and has a average to below average arm. He's probably be a terrible combine guy. I don't think there isn't any question as to who the better player is.

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I agree !

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1300823]Ok he has w/out question played more than two good games but I really don't pay too much attention to QB rating stats. It's more of an eye test, it's more of can he QB carry an offense, can a QB put the ball in the end zone. I think those are things that we are still finding out.



TH belongs in the NFL. It just goes to show that drafting a QB is incredibly difficult and it involves some luck. Haskins went to a big school and was on TV every week. He was a really good college QB and has a big arm. He had all the measurables. TH went to a tiny school, went undrafted and has a average to below average arm. He's probably be a terrible combine guy. I don't think there isn't any question as to who the better player is.[/QUOTE]Completely Agree [emoji106]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1300823]Ok he has w/out question played more than two good games but I really don't pay too much attention to QB rating stats. It's more of an eye test, it's more of can he QB carry an offense, can a QB put the ball in the end zone. I think those are things that we are still finding out.

TH belongs in the NFL. It just goes to show that drafting a QB is incredibly difficult and it involves some luck. Haskins went to a big school and was on TV every week. He was a really good college QB and has a big arm. He had all the measurables. TH went to a tiny school, went undrafted and has a average to below average arm. He's probably be a terrible combine guy. I don't think there isn't any question as to who the better player is.[/QUOTE]


As RR says, it’s about APE (attitude, preparation, effort). TH excels there; Haskins not so much.


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[URL="https://youtu.be/Q-5mTPyHKRY"]https://youtu.be/Q-5mTPyHKRY[/URL]
at 2:25 he says he has a noodle arm...made me lol

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He’s got one of the weakest arms in the league on passes 20 yards or more downfield but that doesn’t mean he can’t make those same throws.. it’s about timing

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1300924]He’s got one of the weakest arms in the league on passes 20 yards or more downfield but that doesn’t mean he can’t make those same throws.. it’s about timing[/QUOTE]What stat or evidence of that is there? Seems like he is middle of the pack in that respect.

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How do you measure weak arm .. seriously do they have long ball contest , fastest throw etc .. I know TH has a flaw that a lot of QB’s have , they throw off there back foot .. but in the heat of the play maybe that’s all they can do .. so what’s he gonna do tell the coach I took the sack because I couldn’t step into it .. Some of the best Teams have short to medium pass game that relies on timing backed by a solid run game ..

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1300929]What stat or evidence of that is there? Seems like he is middle of the pack in that respect.

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He's 18 / 48 on throws 20+ yards downfield. Pretty bad

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1300941]He's 18 / 48 on throws 20+ yards downfield. Pretty bad[/QUOTE]According to NFL stats he is tied with Big Ben with 29 completions for 20+ yards. Baker Mayfield has 30.

I know that may not be the same stat you are quoting, but I am also pretty sure most qbs completion on passes over 20+ downfield are low. They are generally low percentage passes.

I could not find the particular stat for comparison rankings though. (x passes complete out of y passes thrown)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1300944]According to NFL stats he is tied with Big Ben with 29 completions for 20+ yards. Baker Mayfield has 30.

I know that may not be the same stat you are quoting, but I am also pretty sure most qbs completion on passes over 20+ downfield are low. They are generally low percentage passes.

I could not find the particular stat for comparison rankings though. (x passes complete out of y passes thrown)

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The one I have in 20+ in air, I agree with you though, it's not all about the deepball and its rare to hit on those. I'm a TH fan and hope he keeps getting better

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1300947]The one I have in 20+ in air, I agree with you though, it's not all about the deepball and its rare to hit on those. I'm a TH fan and hope he keeps getting better[/QUOTE]What is Lamar's stats in 20+ in air? His seem like jump balls every time.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1300959]What is Lamar's stats in 20+ in air? His seem like jump balls every time.

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I’ll get it for you tomorrow after this game bro

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1300960]I’ll get it for you tomorrow after this game bro[/QUOTE]Thanks :)

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[quote=irish;1300696]Heinicke looks like 2021 Nick Foles. Comes in for the injured starter and plays well but by the next season he's nowhere. Heinicke is fools gold.[/quote]

If he wins a SB like Foles I think we'd all take that.

All I know is TH is trending in the right direction, he's improving the more he plays. I don't think he changes the need for a long term solution here, but at the worst he gives us flexibility in the short term.

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[quote=MTK;1300981]If he wins a SB like Foles I think we'd all take that.

All I know is TH is trending in the right direction, he's improving the more he plays. I don't think he changes the need for a long term solution here, but at the worst he gives us flexibility in the short term.[/quote]

If he gets us to the playoffs this year and plays well again, I want him as QB1 next yr

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Tough stretch to get to the playoffs, but yeah if he leads the team and stays healthy he should go into camp #1.

I wonder if playing time will help him understand the value of camp?

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To answer the Lamar downfield Q

He's 17/51 on throws 20+ yards in the air

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1301017]To answer the Lamar downfield Q



He's 17/51 on throws 20+ yards in the air[/QUOTE]So he and Taylor are basically the same ratio (17/51 vs 18/48) I would have thought Lamar would have been closer to 50%.

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yeah both are bottom of the league in that area but not a huge surprise on either