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[quote=MTK;1284679]^ Sorry just trying to steer things back on topic[/quote]

It was a good article in highlighting players and I appreciated you posting it. The problem is simply that this time of year there isn't a lot of deep information.

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^ I hear ya, that's where we're at right now, prediction season

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[quote=Chico23231;1284674]Coach Killer: Daniel Jones
Oh, my, does he tend to turn the ball over. Oh, my, do the Giants require massive gains from him. Oh, geez, how they spend on new parts for him on offense. Oh, no, I don't think it will change much at all. And if this goes as poorly as expected, then heads will roll because of it, especially as other NFL teams continue to add young cheap quarterbacks in the interim who far out-produce this one.
.[/quote]



Chico , this question is to you, how is that Haskins guy working out for you?

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[quote=MTK;1284682]^ I hear ya, that's where we're at right now, prediction season[/quote]

It would be nice to come back to this next Feb and see how close it was.

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[quote=Giantone;1284686]Chico , this question is to you, how is that Haskins guy working out for you?[/quote]

[YT]_RZvQ2Ms_Sg[/YT]


The Magic man will have a better year than the Tranny man

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[quote=MTK;1284682]^ I hear ya, that's where we're at right now, prediction season[/quote]

It would be nice to come back to this next Feb and see how close it was.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1284668]“It is emblematic of the mentality that is destroying America as a free republic.”

This political dog whistle hardly squares with your claim of trying to avoid politics. Nice try, though.[/quote]

I didn't start it.
A different poster introduced politics out of nowhere, not me.
Nice try though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1284674]Coach Killer: Daniel Jones
Oh, my, does he tend to turn the ball over. Oh, my, do the Giants require massive gains from him. Oh, geez, how they spend on new parts for him on offense. Oh, no, I don't think it will change much at all. And if this goes as poorly as expected, then heads will roll because of it, especially as other NFL teams continue to add young cheap quarterbacks in the interim who far out-produce this one.

Josh Rosen Award: Sam Darnold
My, these two might always be linked together in one way, shape or form. Rosen's star has greatly faded, with the returns on the trades for him dropping significantly by the year. And, gulp, when David Tepper decides by 2022 (or, gulp, by November) that Darnold ain't close to the answer for all that ails them at the QB spot, well, good luck getting more than a mid-round pick in return. That is where I think this is heading, and this very well could be a declining asset


These 2 outcomes are very possible.[/quote]

They also predict Davis as D rookie of year. Hope so! Seems to be bias towards pass rushers such awards, just as bias towards QBs in offensive awards.

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Hard to believe it took this long to accomplish this: [url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31554110/nfl-halt-race-norming-review-black-claims-1-billion-concussion-settlement%3fplatform=amp[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284698]Hard to believe it took this long to accomplish this: [url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31554110/nfl-halt-race-norming-review-black-claims-1-billion-concussion-settlement%3fplatform=amp[/url][/quote]

The problem is that the science is emphatic. Mean Black IQ is about 1.1 standard deviations below the Caucasian mean. This is measure of central tendency for aggregates, not specific individuals, and everyone deserves equal civil rights regardless of IQ. Given that IQ scaling has an overall mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15, this means (no lame pun intended) that mean Black IQ is about 83. Mean Caucasian IQ is 100, Asian about 105-107 (variation in different countries). This data reflects innate genetic differences in IQ of different races. I don't like these results, but they are hard science, which the liberal demonization like cultural bias cannot explain (tests have been given in every nation on Earth for over a century with same results EVERY time).

Science can be a harsh mistress. You don't always like the results. In this case, there isn't some big bad racist conspiracy, but rather a scientific attempt to help determine the cognitive decline players suffer from playing in the NFL. Without adjusting for race differences in IQ, this is impossible. When you assume higher IQs than actually exist for Blacks, to satisfy a pre-existing political philosophy, thereby ignoring basic science, you prevent identification of cognitive harm to black players. On the one hand, you don't want any NFL player not to receive help for the obvious and scientifically documented brain injury the sport causes, on the other hand, maybe people who ignore such obvious science, acting like 16th century mystics, deserve what they ask for. . .

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Aw shit here we go.

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[quote=Scalper;1284710]The problem is that the science is emphatic. Mean Black IQ is about 1.1 standard deviations below the Caucasian mean. This is measure of central tendency for aggregates, not specific individuals, and everyone deserves equal civil rights regardless of IQ. Given that IQ scaling has an overall mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15, this means (no lame pun intended) that mean Black IQ is about 83. Mean Caucasian IQ is 100, Asian about 105-107 (variation in different countries). This data reflects innate genetic differences in IQ of different races. I don't like these results, but they are hard science, which the liberal demonization like cultural bias cannot explain (tests have been given in every nation on Earth for over a century with same results EVERY time).

Science can be a harsh mistress. You don't always like the results. In this case, there isn't some big bad racist conspiracy, but rather a scientific attempt to help determine the cognitive decline players suffer from playing in the NFL. Without adjusting for race differences in IQ, this is impossible. When you assume higher IQs than actually exist for Blacks, to satisfy a pre-existing political philosophy, thereby ignoring basic science, you prevent identification of cognitive harm to black players. On the one hand, you don't want any NFL player not to receive help for the obvious and scientifically documented brain injury the sport causes, on the other hand, maybe people who ignore such obvious science, acting like 16th century mystics, deserve what they ask for. . .[/quote]

Dude just no. No no no

Erase this

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284698]Hard to believe it took this long to accomplish this: [url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31554110/nfl-halt-race-norming-review-black-claims-1-billion-concussion-settlement%3fplatform=amp[/url][/quote]

To be honest I’ve never heard of the practice until this past week, but obviously this isn’t right.

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Julio traded to Titans…pending per ESPN. Wow

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[quote=Chico23231;1284714]Julio traded to Titans…pending per ESPN. Wow[/quote]


For a 2nd a 4th.

Like it for both.

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[quote=Giantone;1284686]Chico , this question is to you, how is that Haskins guy working out for you?[/quote]


It's very possible that Haskins will have been the better pick. If the Giants give Danny a big 2nd contract and he continues to be terrible, the Redskins will have been better off drafting a bum that they never paid any real money.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1284714]Julio traded to Titans…pending per ESPN. Wow[/QUOTE]Nice boost to the Titans offense but they still have a weak defense so I am not sure if Jones will help them win more games.

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[quote=GridIron26;1284717]Nice boost to the Titans offense but they still have a weak defense so I am not sure if Jones will help them win more games.[/quote]

Yeah I was really surprised how their defense seem to take a step back last year. But added Julio with the prime years of brown, tannehill and the best RB in the league makes a lot of sense.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1284716]It's very possible that Haskins will have been the better pick. If the Giants give Danny a big 2nd contract and he continues to be terrible, the Redskins will have been better off drafting a bum that they never paid any real money.[/quote]

Jones that year is in some ways like Jones this year, much less athletic prospect with much less upside. Haskins has some elite athletic traits, Jones had none.

Tough to determine which player is more of a waste from a long-term perspective, FitzAverage or Jones. Certainly Fitz, as we didn't waste a top-10 pick on him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1284713]To be honest I’ve never heard of the practice until this past week, but obviously this isn’t right.[/quote]

Neurologists aren't Klansmen. You have to accurately measure cognitive decline to help people. Doing so without taking racial variations in IQ into account is impossible. If mean Black IQ is 83, but we assume it is 100, and then measure it as 83 or anything close, then EVERY African American qualifies for the monetary compensation. This is of course the whole point of the absurdity. You might argue every player should qualify, and I would agree, but that was not the settlement as negotiated. You can bet your ass that the blacks paid money won't use the bogus non-normed cognitive data when receiving treatment from neurologists.

I don't ever make political posts first, but I will not stand mute while reverse racism is dressed in the sheep's clothing of equality. The superficial appearance of things PR wise often differs dramatically from science.

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[quote=GridIron26;1284717]Nice boost to the Titans offense but they still have a weak defense so I am not sure if Jones will help them win more games.[/quote]

Horrible trade. Kind of trade we used to make. We got a long-term starting T for what Titans traded for a 32-year old WR past his prime and starting to slow down and have health issues.

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[quote=Chico23231;1284712]Dude just no. No no no

Erase this[/quote]

Why not just burn me at the stake?

Welcome to the new America.

Yeah, just censor any post you don't like and can't refute!

Pitiful.

I don't want anyone censored, especially views I detest the most.

You want me censored because you can't refute the scientific data presented.

Homey don't play that.

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[quote=Scalper;1284721]Horrible trade. Kind of trade we used to make. We got a long-term starting T for what Titans traded for a 32-year old WR past his prime and starting to slow down and have health issues.[/quote]

Nah, we’d have thrown a first in too. I am glad to see we aren’t trading for older guys and are being judicious with the older players we bring in and their contracts.

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[quote=Scalper;1284722]Why not just burn me at the stake?

Welcome to the new America.
[B]
Yeah, just censor any post you don't like and can't refute![/B]

Pitiful.

I don't want anyone censored, especially views I detest the most.

You want me censored because you can't refute the scientific data presented.

Homey don't play that.[/quote]

LOL. "I've been told to shut up on a football board, WE CANNOT SAY ANYTHING ANYMORE".
We have the same here, they want to be able to say anything, but if someone strongly disagrees and calls them out it's censorship.
(And no, I am not going to waste time deconstructing racist thought nor teach about social science on a football board, I come here for fun, I can turn French TV on for that kinda shit).

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[quote=Scalper;1284721]Horrible trade. Kind of trade we used to make. We got a long-term starting T for what Titans traded for a 32-year old WR past his prime and starting to slow down and have health issues.[/quote]

Good for Atlanta:D

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[quote=Scalper;1284722]Why not just burn me at the stake?

Welcome to the new America.

Yeah, just censor any post you don't like and can't refute!

Pitiful.

I don't want anyone censored, especially views I detest the most.

You want me censored because you can't refute the scientific data presented.

Homey don't play that.[/quote]


I will bite. A well done troll job. You want to see my response look in the debating with the enemy thread. I am not going to politicize the football threads my apologies everyone for my OP taking it down this rabbit hole.

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Chad Johnson…ochocinco is a boxer now?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284724]LOL. "I've been told to shut up on a football board, WE CANNOT SAY ANYTHING ANYMORE".
We have the same here, they want to be able to say anything, but if someone strongly disagrees and calls them out it's censorship.
(And no, I am not going to waste time deconstructing racist thought nor teach about social science on a football board, I come here for fun, I can turn French TV on for that kinda shit).[/quote]

He specifically asked the post be removed because he disliked the content.
That is censorship.
All the other drivel ignored.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1284723]Nah, we’d have thrown a first in too. I am glad to see we aren’t trading for older guys and are being judicious with the older players we bring in and their contracts.[/quote]

LOL. Cerrato or Allen would have given the first that Atlanta wanted, maybe not 2nd in addition, believing they were bidding against other teams, none of whom were willing to offer a first. We got played this way so many times it is pitiful. Makes you appreciate new FO.

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[quote=Scalper;1284728]He specifically asked the post be removed because he disliked the content.
That is censorship.
All the other drivel ignored.[/quote]

:laughing- He advised you to erase it. It's common sense, not censorship.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284724]LOL. "I've been told to shut up on a football board, WE CANNOT SAY ANYTHING ANYMORE".
We have the same here, they want to be able to say anything, but if someone strongly disagrees and calls them out it's censorship.
(And no, I am not going to waste time deconstructing racist thought nor teach about social science on a football board, I come here for fun, I can turn French TV on for that kinda shit).[/quote]

My original response post was not racist, it presented scientific data on genetic IQ variations in different races, data I don't like and wish wasn't true, but which is factual. Presenting factual scientific data is not racism, and you can't deconstruct the basic data. I will fight these smears EVERY time they appear. I too prefer football smack talking, so let's get back to that. I will NEVER bring up politics first, but I also don't let reverse racism dressed up as progressivism slide. I am quarter Cherokee, grandmother 100% full blood, I am no lover of Caucasian atrocities, but Indians were harmed much more than blacks and nearly wiped from the Earth, so pardon me if I've not on board with the great black snivel-athon, blacks today blame everyone else for problems they create. Back to football.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284730]:laughing- He advised you to erase it. It's common sense, not censorship.[/quote]

Or maybe the mods. . .
No, it is censorship.
Pressuring or forcing someone to surrender free speech simply because they don't like a view is censorship, period.
It is not common sense.
It is censorship.
You don't get to pressure me to remove posts simply because you don't like them, or not say things, just because you don't like them.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1284723]Nah, we’d have thrown a first in too. I am glad to see we aren’t trading for older guys and are being judicious with the older players we bring in and their contracts.[/quote]

The worst part is Jones costs a fortune as well.
Have a good night gents.

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[quote=Scalper;1284731][B]My original response post was not racist[/B], it presented scientific data on genetic IQ variations in different races, data I don't like and wish wasn't true, but which is factual. Presenting factual scientific data is not racism, and you can't deconstruct the basic data. I will fight these smears EVERY time they appear. I too prefer football smack talking, so let's get back to that. I will NEVER bring up politics first, but I also don't let reverse racism dressed up as progressivism slide. I am quarter Cherokee, grandmother 100% full blood, I am no lover of Caucasian atrocities, but Indians were harmed much more than blacks and nearly wiped from the Earth, so pardon me if I've not on board with the great black snivel-athon, [B]blacks today blame everyone else for problems they create[/B]. Back to football.[/quote]

Oh so you admit the rest of it was ?
"Hard science" man I ain't got time for you.
"Hard science"
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/4e/09/634e09171bca16e7c71db095a58a6823.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Scalper;1284732]Or maybe the mods. . .
No, it is censorship.
Pressuring or forcing someone to surrender free speech simply because they don't like a view is censorship, period.
It is not common sense.
It is censorship.
[B]You don't get to pressure me to remove posts simply because you don't like them, or not say things, just because you don't like them[/B].[/quote]

Oh so free speech is only one way ? You're allowed to say whatever but no one can say STFU ? Nobody called your boss to have you fired, nor put a gun to your head, you're not Julian freakin Assange, chill...

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I know you can block members. Is there a way to block an entire thread? If so, sign me up.

Oh, and Dallas sucks!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284734]Oh so you admit the rest of it was ?
"Hard science" man I ain't got time for you.
"Hard science"
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/4e/09/634e09171bca16e7c71db095a58a6823.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

LOL.

Such ridiculousness.

Parsing my words to misinterpret them does not alter the scientific reality of IQ differentials of races.

I understand that the ad hominem smear of racism is the only way you can process disquieting data, and perhaps any data that contradicts your preconceived views, and that is fine.

Note that I am not advocating any minimization of civil rights, for any person or race or demographic, based on IQ, so the metaphor of a plantation owner is especially inapt. However, the scientific data on IQ differentials of races is irrefutable, and is a much more empirical explanation for disparities of outcome than white racism, fictitious constructs like white privilege, etc. To return to the original post, neurologists norming cognitive tests by race aren't some secret KKK cabal, but rather are simply aware of the very basic and appallingly-well established data on racial variations in cognitive ability.

You post smarmy movie images, but of course do not refute the data itself.
We both know why, though you'll pretend you don't have time for science, I guess the scientific method itself is also racist, right?
LOL.
LOL.
LOL.
Keep on smearing bro, you crack me up with your banal dogmatism, but I will NEVER stop responding to your smears.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284735]Oh so free speech is only one way ? You're allowed to say whatever but no one can say STFU ? Nobody called your boss to have you fired, nor put a gun to your head, you're not Julian freakin Assange, chill...[/quote]

I'm fine with saying STFU. That is not same thing as asking to have my post removed. What's the malfunction here Private Pyle? Why can't you grasp difference between censorship and discourse?

I'm not agitated. I'm chilled. I simply don't stand for censorship. Don't try to censor me and then say it isn't censorship, Comrade. I know you may be used to getting away with such doublespeak, but homey don't play that.

The poster in question didn't tell me to STFU, he asked to have my post removed. I'm fine being told to STFU, LOL. But I'm not bowing to the SJW censorship BS. EVER. Not even on a football discussion forum. Got it?

And just to be clear, I don't EVER bring up politics first.

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Wow, walls of text, don't have time to read that, nor argue about a complicate subject on a football board with somebody that manages to be obnoxious even with football talk. I had an interesting talk about it with my wife though. Arguments are not the issue here, willing to discuss them here and with you is.

Anyway, I thought we were back to football ?

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[quote=Scalper;1284739]I'm fine with saying STFU. That is not same thing as asking to have my post removed. What's the malfunction here Private Pyle? Why can't you grasp difference between censorship and discourse?

I'm not agitated. I'm chilled. I simply don't stand for censorship. Don't try to censor me and then say it isn't censorship, Comrade. I know you may be used to getting away with such doublespeak, but homey don't play that.

The poster in question didn't tell me to STFU, he asked to have my post removed. I'm fine being told to STFU, LOL. But I'm not bowing to the SJW censorship BS. EVER. Not even on a football discussion forum. Got it?

And just to be clear, I don't EVER bring up politics first.[/quote]

I don't even know where to start.

You could even be right, but it wouldn't matter. Simply arguing that minorities on average are less intelligent makes you look like an asshole. Have some fucking tact. There is nobody here who is willingly going to take you up on that argument.

Also when you make arguments like this, you're reeeeeeally not helping your cause.

"I am no lover of Caucasian atrocities, but Indians were harmed much more than blacks and nearly wiped from the Earth, so pardon me if I've not on board with the great black snivel-athon, blacks today blame everyone else for problems they create."

Quit while you're way behind.