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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uKx_jVTCHg[/url] S ) Forrest looks pretty good and aggressive .

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xkW0uF_wM[/url] PSU DE / LB , looks damn good for a late rd pick .

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[quote=budw38;1283068][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xkW0uF_wM[/url] PSU DE / LB , looks damn good for a late rd pick .[/quote]

Lot of people saying he was a steal, but he is too small too play DE in anything other than obvious passing downs and cannot cover so LB is not an option. Probably ideally a 3-4 OLB

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1283019]Lol. The moment I typed that out, I was like Punch will probably like this one.[/QUOTE]



Lack of profanity was the only reason for the minus.

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I totally agree with MissouriSkin on BPA.

It's flaws as a draft strategy are just as glaring as a "only draft by need" strategy .... If you have a glut of established players at a position, it's stupid to draft the BPA if he fits in that glut. Conversely, it's stupid to only draft by need when the BPA is way better than the highest ranked position of need, AND you could improve your team with that BPA choice.

It feels like this year was a bit more "by need" focused ... especially late ...

And the trade of a 5th for two picks at the end of this draft feels like we know we're moving on from Sherff, and we will get a compensatory pick for him anyway, effectively replacing that 5th we just gave up.


Obviously we won't know how good these guys are until they play --- just look at how pleasantly surprised we were with Kam Curl last year. But the highlights for our day 3 picks impressed me.

I'm encouraged ... and think we found some real good players to add to our team.

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[quote=budw38;1283067][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uKx_jVTCHg[/url] S ) Forrest looks pretty good and aggressive .[/quote]

On film, he looks like a playmaker to me. He can really move and he looks like a playmaker. Could we be looking at another late round gem at safety?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1283074]On film, he looks like a playmaker to me. He can really move and he looks like a playmaker. Could we be looking at another late round gem at safety?[/quote] I hope so , we have had some success with late rd ( S ) , Curl , Jarrett .

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I don’t know jack about all these players even the million dollar GM swing and miss ... guess what .. IF any of you think you know more than who is running this team .. then you have either illusions or you missed your life’s calling ... I find most of these post pure entertainment... and that goes for anything I say ... I will tell you straight up I know nothing about how to select players ...

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[quote=rocnrik;1283076]I don’t know jack about all these players even the million dollar GM swing and miss ... guess what .. IF any of you think you know more than who is running this team .. then you have either illusions or you missed your life’s calling ... I find most of these post pure entertainment... and that goes for anything I say ... I will tell you straight up I know nothing about how to select players ...[/quote]

Many of these players will wash out. It's just a fact. Many have a hard time adjusting to the speed of the pro game.

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[quote=skinsnut;1283036]I disagree, I appreciate his research and analysis, especially on late round picks with lumited info. I get his conclusions. That is the rub. I didnt see any evidence of draft failures in year one, so I have a more fingers crossed view that they have a board based on good scouting info that ee dont have. But on the surface, some late moves are head scatchers, especially trading next years pick for a rookie long snapper.[/quote]

His problem is his condescending tone and arrogance about his opinions. In spite of what he thinks, he doesn’t know more than the people employed to run teams and draft players.

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[quote=skinsnut;1283036]I disagree, I appreciate his research and analysis, especially on late round picks with lumited info. I get his conclusions. That is the rub. I didnt see any evidence of draft failures in year one, so I have a more fingers crossed view that they have a board based on good scouting info that ee dont have. But on the surface, some late moves are head scatchers, especially [B]trading next years pick for a rookie long snapper[/B].[/quote]

That's not what happened, we traded next year 5th in exchange of 2 picks (this year's 6th and 7th) and used one of them on a long snapper.
So technically we used [I][U]half a late round pick on a long snapper[/U][/I]. I think the franchise will survive.
People only realize the importance of a reliable LS when we lack one.

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[quote=GridIron26;1283032]Per Keim, Cheeseman was one of the best LS in NCAA. Granted, I didn't expect us to spend a pick on LS but since it's only 6th round pick so it's a small price to pay to ensure we don't have issues with LS this season. If we have trouble with LS, it can cost us games.[/quote]

One of the best is correct.
And at least 2 of the other best could have been signed off the street without spending a draft pick and without mortgaging the future.
You can get a LS that doesn't cost games without trading future picks and drafting one.

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[quote=rocnrik;1283076]I don’t know jack about all these players even the million dollar GM swing and miss ... guess what .. IF any of you think you know more than who is running this team .. then you have either illusions or you missed your life’s calling ... I find most of these post pure entertainment... and that goes for anything I say ... I will tell you straight up I know nothing about how to select players ...[/quote]

Well I'll tell you how my draft board is decided.

First I look at the body. Do they have all their arms and legs? If so, they're already one step ahead of the ones who don't. Next, I look at their head. Is it physically attached to their shoulders? If so, +1 again. And you just keep going until everybody is ranked. I don't put too much stock into what their stats were in college because everybody knows college doesn't always translate well to the pros.

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[B][COLOR="Red"]If Cheeseman picks #69...I am DEFINITELY buying his jersey.[/COLOR][/B]

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[quote=Giantone;1283077]Many of these players will wash out. It's just a fact. Many have a hard time adjusting to the speed of the pro game.[/quote]

Indeed they do.


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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283065]Well I feel BPA is overrated. If the BPA is in an area that you already have enough players at, then there is no sense drafting him. I think they did what is best, which is take the best available at a position of need and see what happens. To me, by that point in the draft you’re mostly just throwing darts at the dart board anyway. I mean, in round 6 if the guy was really good, he’d have already been taken. So in my mind, why not err on the side of the mix of BPA and need as opposed to just straight BPA. But I’m just a fan so I readily admit I don’t know anything. 🙂[/quote]

exactly . . . i always said i prefer best player available of your teams 3 positions of biggest need. its a hybrid approach! lol

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Wonder whether Toney will be tried at WLB, he has a LB build which ilmeans he cannot be much m8re than a situational pass rusher as a DE

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1283101]exactly . . . i always said i prefer best player available of your teams 3 positions of biggest need. its a hybrid approach! lol[/quote]

Yep. It’s not like Davis and Cosmi were really outside the range of where picked. I’m seeing people say Davis was a reach...he was the 23rd ranked and we picked him at 19. I’m like, if it’s within even 10 picks at the bottom half of the first it really isn’t a reach. A reach is taking a fifth round rated talent in the first. I’ll say it all the time....people need to remember that the real draft is different than fantasy drafts. There was a guy on Extreme bemoaning the fact we didn’t do two separate trades to trade down for Davis, draft him at 23 and get “maximum value”. 🤦*♂️

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Oh and there was another guy on Extreme demanding Ron and the whole front office be fired because we used a 6th round pick on a long snapper and he had Cheeseman rated as an UDFA. Called it the worst pick in NFL history. 🤷*♂️🤦*♂️

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283110]Oh and there was another guy on Extreme demanding Ron and the whole front office be fired because we used a 6th round pick on a long snapper and he had Cheeseman rated as an UDFA. Called it the worst pick in NFL history. 🤷*♂️🤦*♂️[/quote]

Well that is extreme! Site name checks out.

Pretty impressive that he was scouting long snappers lol.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283110]Oh and there was another guy on Extreme demanding Ron and the whole front office be fired because we used a 6th round pick on a long snapper and he had Cheeseman rated as an UDFA. Called it the worst pick in NFL history. 🤷*♂️🤦*♂️[/quote]

There was a run on Longsnappers when we grabbed him.


Cincy drafted a Kicker in the 5th!

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283118]There was a run on Longsnappers when we grabbed him.


Cincy drafted a Kicker in the 5th![/quote]

I mean...it’s the 6th round and apparently is like the highest rated long snapper coming out of college ever. Seems worth a pick. Remember when we drafted Andre Johnson in the first to play LT and he never played a down for us? I do. That guy on Extreme and a guy here need to work on perspective.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283118]There was a run on Longsnappers when we grabbed him.


Cincy drafted a Kicker in the 5th![/quote]

That's a pretty low bar :)

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I'm definitely not going to cry over using a 6th rounder on a long snapper. In rounds 6 & 7 you're mostly looking for special teamers anyway and occasionally maybe you hit big on a hidden gem. And if he's our long snapper for the next 10 years is anyone going to look back and care about using a 6th on him? Please.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1283004]Rumor has it that our long snapper had the best athletic figure of all the long snappers in the NFL since the measurement was created.[/quote]




We joked about how athletic our LS was. But check this out ... from the linked article:

[I]A gifted athlete who also lettered in baseball, Cheeseman has graded among the most athletic in recent history at his position[/I].

:D:D:D:D

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/05/03/camaron-cheeseman-washington-football-teams-interesting-pick/[/url]

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I think it was a great draft. When I look at the roster now, the only thing that is glaring at the moment is the fact that there probably isn't a long term answer at QB on the roster. However, it was at least addressed this offseason. All the other position groups have been strengthened too in my opinion. Of course it's all on paper right now, we just have to hope the majority of them pan out.

I think it's important to remember that you can't really call any of these picks a reach unless you have access to where they were ranked on the WFT board. I could be mistaken, but I doubt anyone on here has that access. All these prospects were ranked all over the place, depending on where you looked. Maybe the only player that always had the same ranking leading up to the draft, no matter where you looked, was Trevor Lawrence. For example, I saw Walker Little ranked as low as 154, and he was selected 45. Was that a reach? Both JOK and Moehrig were ranked in the top 20 on some sites, and they ended up being picked in the 2nd round, 40s and 50s. So those are steals right? Maybe, but none of these dudes has played a down yet, so maybe we should just wait and see what happens on the field...

Feel free to bash the picks if you want because some players were ranked lower on various draft boards than where they were picked, but it goes back to Bill Tobin's sentiment in the 90s: "Who the hell is Mel Kiper?"

Really, the only thing that matters is where the WFT had them ranked - whatever their reasons were.

I'm good with the entire draft, even the long snapper.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1283141]I think it was a great draft. When I look at the roster now, the only thing that is glaring at the moment is the fact that there probably isn't a long term answer at QB on the roster. However, it was at least addressed this offseason. All the other position groups have been strengthened too in my opinion. Of course it's all on paper right now, we just have to hope the majority of them pan out.

I think it's important to remember that you can't really call any of these picks a reach unless you have access to where they were ranked on the WFT board. I could be mistaken, but I doubt anyone on here has that access. All these prospects were ranked all over the place, depending on where you looked. Maybe the only player that always had the same ranking leading up to the draft, no matter where you looked, was Trevor Lawrence. For example, I saw Walker Little ranked as low as 154, and he was selected 45. Was that a reach? Both JOK and Moehrig were ranked in the top 20 on some sites, and they ended up being picked in the 2nd round, 40s and 50s. So those are steals right? Maybe, but none of these dudes has played a down yet, so maybe we should just wait and see what happens on the field...

Feel free to bash the picks if you want because some players were ranked lower on various draft boards than where they were picked, but it goes back to Bill Tobin's sentiment in the 90s: "Who the hell is Mel Kiper?"

[B]Really, the only thing that matters is where the WFT had them ranked - whatever their reasons were. [/B]

I'm good with the entire draft, even the long snapper.[/quote]

THIS ! People paid full time all year to evaluate those guy are wrong half the time, so I don't give much thought on fans analysis based on some highlights and (maybe) a couple of games.
Where I particularly trust Ron and Cie is doing due diligence on the character part of the guys they drafted.

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Agreed, any analysis is knee jerk and only proven over a 2-3 year term (or longer if we're lucky). I like to see the ratings simply because it's indicative of how hopeful we can be. An A now could be a B in 12 months or even a C, a B could be an A or a C. If we rate a C or below now I'd be a little worried, but a B makes me cautiously optimistic.

At this stage I'm not critical of any of the picks and I'm not bothered about the BPA/need argument as no theory about the draft has ever proven totally reliable; if it was everyone would stick to it. Only thing more I'd like to have seen out of this draft is more depth at LB and Tackle, but if the talent wasn't there when we picked, I'm OK with who they got. Nobody looks like a total bust at this point.