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If we roll into the season with the current roster - I'll give you detrimental. Right now, it's just dudes taking more money than this franchise believes they are worth to the team they are trying to build.

I'll reserve judgment for when free agency and the draft are over. It's just so early to be too critical.

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Nicki Jhabvala
@NickiJhabvala
Was told Washington did not make an offer to try to keep McKissic.

Interesting, I thought JDM was our first priority. Is our FO just trying to be too cute? ie "get back to us when you receive an offer and we can talk" That attitude can make people think they are not wanted

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Maybe he did get back to them and they decided not to match or beat the offer - hence they did not make an offer.

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Wentz isn't known for dumping it off to the backs very much, plus coming off the neck injury I guess we decided we can move on and replace him with either Patterson or perhaps in the draft.

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[B]Deandre Carter[/B] -- Id like to sign him to a 1 year less than 2 M contract. WR5/6 has to play special teams, Carter was second in KO return yards, one of only 8 players with a KO return TD.

[B]Adam Humphries[/B] - like to sign him to a 1 year less than 2M contract. Wasnt featured like I thought he would be this year but I do think QB play played into that as he would probably be the 3rd look on any given play unless the play was specifically designed for him.

I think Humphries can contribute more if he is targeted more.

[B]Cam Sims[/B] - like to sign him to a 1 year less than 2M contract.

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[quote=MTK;1313059]Wentz isn't known for dumping it off to the backs very much, plus coming off the neck injury I guess we decided we can move on and replace him with either Patterson or perhaps in the draft.[/quote]

Also, people forget that JDM was just a guy when we signed him. I'm glad he worked out the way he did. It sucks losing him, but I'm sure his injury gave the team a pause.....

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313058]Maybe he did get back to them and they decided not to match or beat the offer - hence they did not make an offer.[/quote]

Maybe, but that is a dangerous game which doesn't make people feel wanted, so they just sign elsewhere

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We need to def add a RB now. My choice

D’Onta Foreman: The former Texans third-round pick didn’t work out in Houston but when the Titans needed him in 2021, Foreman came through. He rushed for 566 yards on 133 carries (4.3) and is another big back who can run hard between the tackles. It’ll be interesting to see what kind of contract Foreman gets. He won’t turn 26 until April.

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JDM's deal is 2 years and $7 million. For the kind of production he's provided, that is worth it (. Wish we'd have done something like it. Even coming off the injury, I think he would have been worth that risk. In 2 years (and 27 games), he racked up over 1500 yds receiving and 7 TDs. He was essentially responsible for the wins v. ATL and NYG (1st one) last year. I read a report that said we didn't even make him an offer. Bah.

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Kinda surprised that we didn't even try to bring JDM back.. Although I wonder if it has to do with Wentz since he isn't well known for checking down. Or the coaches really like Patterson.

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I'm sure it's a combination of factors - the new QB, his injury, the offensive game plan moving forward, etc. It's production that can be replaced and then some if this offense gets rolling the way S Turner wants it to with his new QB.

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Also seen it noted , by Keim, that they apparently love the backs in the draft so that may be the ultimate reason

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313058]Maybe he did get back to them and they decided not to match or beat the offer - hence they did not make an offer.[/quote]

Don't like to toot my own horn (much) but ......
Ben Standig
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J.D. McKissic is headed to Buffalo after Washington let the RB test free agency. That much is apparent. However, the Commanders believed their opportunity to match an offer would come. From the view of a source close to the situation, it did not.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313057]Nicki Jhabvala
@NickiJhabvala
Was told Washington did not make an offer to try to keep McKissic.

Interesting, I thought JDM was our first priority. Is our FO just trying to be too cute? ie "get back to us when you receive an offer and we can talk" That attitude can make people think they are not wanted[/quote]

My original point

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He clearly was not a priority.

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JDM got decent money to play for a team that will absolutely be in the post-season barring something catastrophic injury-wise. The same cannot be said for us, sadly. Until we become one of those teams, this is the kind of thing that will continue to happen.

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Particularly if they don't even make an opening offer

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Honestly, they will be fine without JDM. AG is solid, Jaret Patterson is fully capable, and there are a number of other RBs out there that can spell AG and catch the ball out of the backfield. Remember AG was a receiver in college...

Once Wentz was signed, JDM's role (TH's security blanket) wasn't going to be the same anyway.

He's a nice player, and I hope he does well in Buffalo.

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I am not so much bothered by the loss of McKissic, as you say he is not that difficult to replace, but I am perplexed by the operation of the FO. Now it could be that the local beat reporters are way off the mark but that is not the general impression I get. The report stated they were expecting to get an opportunity to match an offer, but it didn't happen. They misjudged the situation and it seems from reports that they didn't make an offer to any (?) of our pending free agents which I think would be viewed as a slight by some. The timing of the McCain signing might also suggest that they realised that they got it wrong and quickly pivoted to resign McCain.

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Who knows. In early March, Mayhew said he wanted Cam Sims, JD McKissic, and Bobby McCain back if deals can be agreed on. So far he got one of the three to come back. You can't keep them all, and they have to prioritize.

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I liked JD but man people are acting like he was shady McCoy in his prime or something..

Very good scat back and pass catcher but AG can do all that and Patterson showed he can play too. Curtis Samuel was even used as a RB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313113]I liked JD but man people are acting like he was shady McCoy in his prime or something..

Very good scat back and pass catcher but AG can do all that and Patterson showed he can play too. Curtis Samuel was even used as a RB.[/quote]

You are Lloyd Christmas. Anyone we lose, no big deal. Anyone we get, huge upgrade.

Not a bad thing. Keep pumping that sunshine.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1313117]You are Lloyd Christmas. Anyone we lose, no big deal. Anyone we get, huge upgrade.

Not a bad thing. Keep pumping that sunshine.[/quote]

I think skinsfaninok's reasoning may seem overly optimistic to the (understandably) pessimistic fan. But if you view these moves from a non-fan lens, they seem normal and understandable.

If you want to see crazy FA moves (or non-moves) see the Jaguars giving Christian Kirk crazy money.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313121]I think skinsfaninok's reasoning may seem overly optimistic to the (understandably) pessimistic fan. But if you view these moves from a non-fan lens, they seem normal and understandable.

If you want to see crazy FA moves (or non-moves) see the Jaguars giving Christian Kirk crazy money.[/quote]

Good point. I'm actually at a wash right now. It's more fun to jump in immediately on signing people. But I'm OK with waiting. Basically in a circling pattern for at least a week or so, to see where we land.

I'm gonna miss McKissic though. He not only was great receiving out of the backfield, that man dedicated himself to blocking very well. Hopefully the upgrade at QB will downgrade how much we miss him.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1313117]You are Lloyd Christmas. Anyone we lose, no big deal. Anyone we get, huge upgrade.

Not a bad thing. Keep pumping that sunshine.[/QUOTE]


When we lost Trent I was PISSED and the same for Cousins. Those are 2 of the most important positions in sports..

A RB2 is not.

It’s not about always being optimistic, we suck ass and have for years. I realize that lol.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313131]When we lost Trent I was PISSED and the same for Cousins. Those are 2 of the most important positions in sports..

A RB2 is not.

It’s not about always being optimistic, we suck ass and have for years. I realize that lol.

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I feel you on Trent. He is still 1 of my top 5 favorite players of all times.

Fuck Kurk though. And fuck Scherff too. I don't buy either of their bullshit stories.

And we need optimism around here. Glad you're still capable of providing some of it.

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You have to resign JD. You just gave McCain 11 mill but didn't resign JD who left for 7?? Not a fan of letting him walk. He was probably insulted that they didn't offer him anything and said FU I'll go play for a winner. He is a better back than Patterson. Samuel can not be counted on it this point. Whatever he gives you is gravy but it probably won't be much.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1313117]You are Lloyd Christmas. Anyone we lose, no big deal. Anyone we get, huge upgrade.

Not a bad thing. Keep pumping that sunshine.[/quote]

😂😂 Lloyd Christmas. That gave me a good lol this morning.

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The team has a bad reputation to overcome, that is evident to everyone. I don't think it is helpful to let free agents leave who feel slighted (rightly so in my mind)because we didn't even bother to make an opening offer to them,which would lead to them further criticising the organisation to other players around the league. I don't mind having passed on JDM if they thought he wasn't worth the money, but the report is that they rather arrogantly expected to be given the opportunity to match offers that our FA received, and I see from reporting that was for multiple players. I think the timing of the Bobby McCain signing is not coincidental, as soon as they lost out on JDM, they may have over compensated in the offer they gave him to make sure he accepted.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1313145]😂😂 Lloyd Christmas. That gave me a good lol this morning.[/quote]

One of the best movies ever lolol

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1313132]I feel you on Trent. He is still 1 of my top 5 favorite players of all times.

Fuck Kurk though. And fuck Scherff too. I don't buy either of their bullshit stories.

And we need optimism around here. Glad you're still capable of providing some of it.[/quote]

I try to stay positive with this shit team LOL

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313146]The team has a bad reputation to overcome, that is evident to everyone. I don't think it is helpful to let free agents leave who feel slighted (rightly so in my mind)because we didn't even bother to make an opening offer to them,which would lead to them further criticising the organisation to other players around the league. I don't mind having passed on JDM if they thought he wasn't worth the money, but the report is that they rather arrogantly expected to be given the opportunity to match offers that our FA received, and I see from reporting that was for multiple players. I think the timing of the Bobby McCain signing is not coincidental, [B]as soon as they lost out on JDM, they may have over compensated in the offer they gave him to make sure he accepted.[/B][/quote]

You think they overpaid McCain because their pass catching back who had about 600 total yards last year decided to play elsewhere? That's a bit of a leap...

I would have liked to keep both of them, but JDM is currently the 18th highest paid RB. His production was nice, but not worth that compensation. If I were him, I would have just taken that and ran too. No way Washington was going to pay him like that. There will most definitely be other options to replace that production, including a tweak to the offensive scheme.

McCain on the other hand is getting paid like the 26th safety / 30th Cornerback. That seems about right to me.

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Are we saying McCain is overpaid at 2 yrs $11M?

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[quote=MTK;1313151]Are we saying McCain is overpaid at 2 yrs $11M?[/quote]

Not sure about we, but I think it was a bit of an overpay. Not massive though.

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this just might be my gut talking i don't have much data to go on but all these big day one FA signing, i mean the majority never really work out. IT gives the fan base something to be excited about sure but does it normally boost a team a ton.

JD adn Logan Thomas are good examples of finding value in FA which takes a hell of alot more thinking then just dropping a billion dollars on one star guy. Remeber when we all wanted Austin Hooper, i totally have Thomas over him now.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1313150]
I would have liked to keep both of them, but JDM is currently the 18th highest paid RB. His production was nice, but not worth that compensation. If I were him, I would have just taken that and ran too. No way Washington was going to pay him like that. There will most definitely be other options to replace that production, including a tweak to the offensive scheme.
.[/quote]

I think you may have missed my point, which was probably my fault as I seem to be bordering on ranting in some of posts recently. If they didn't think he was worth it, thats fine. My point was more about the reputation the FO has and the need to improve it. They could have just said "Thanks for you effort JDM, but we cant afford what you are going to command. We wish you the best" but they didn't. They expected him or his agent to come back and give them the choice of whether to match the offer. Their apparently high handed approach risked pissing off players and agents which, with the teams current reputation, they cannot afford.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313156]I think you may have missed my point, which was probably my fault as seem to be bordering on ranting in some of posts recently. If they didn't think he was worth it, thats fine. My point was more about the reputation the FO has and the need to imorove it. They could have just said "Thanks for you effort JDM, but we cant afford what you going to command. We wish you the best" but they didn't. They expected him or his agent to come back and give them the choice of whether to match the offer. They risked pissng off players and agents which, with the teams current reputation, they cannot afford.[/quote]

Meh that is a stretch, you really don't know how they left it with JD or how it was fully handle you are going off media post. the NFL is a business you can do business with out sending a Thank You or I am Sorry card every time.

Plus we are not a Auto Parts story these agents and players only have 32 choices that they can shop their services, agents get it you win some and lose some. JD isn't on the street has more money and is playing for a SB contender, I doubt they are cursing the Commanders for not saying we are sorry.

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[quote=mredskins;1313155]this just might be my gut talking i don't have much data to go on but all these big day one FA signing, i mean the majority never really work out. IT gives the fan base something to be excited about sure but does it normally boost a team a ton.

JD adn Logan Thomas are good examples of finding value in FA which takes a hell of alot more thinking then just dropping a billion dollars on one star guy. Remeber when we all wanted Austin Hooper, i totally have Thomas over him now.[/quote]

Just to add the main focus of this offseason was QB, that was our "big move". We should know better than just about every other fan base that chasing the big fish in free agency rarely works out very well.

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[quote=MTK;1313151]Are we saying McCain is overpaid at 2 yrs $11M?[/quote]

YES! You can just put Apke back there to blow coverages. He is a 2 mill per type of player. He blows coverages and then whines about it.

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[quote=MTK;1313162]Just to add the main focus of this offseason was QB, that was our "big move". We should know better than just about every other fan base [B]that chasing the big fish in free agency rarely works out very well.[/B][/quote]

100

and JD is very replaceable. I enjoyed him he made some big plays for us but you can find production in someone else, he was no Clinton Portis