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[quote=skinsfaninok;1317341]Wentz is going to ball out[/quote]

I definitely want to think that, but given the way things usually go for this team, chances are he will flame out and we'll be QB hunting again in the offseason.

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[quote=MTK;1318368]I definitely want to think that, but given the way things usually go for this team, chances are he will flame out and we'll be QB hunting again in the offseason.[/quote]

The thing is, he doesn't need to ball out. He just needs to be play well enough to have a respectable passing game that compliments the running game.

I know people want to see the deep ball and whatnot, but I think the intermediate and short passing game needs to be on point. We have a lot of playmakers that can thrive with a strong short/intermediate passing game.

We also need to have enough of a good passing game, so that opposing defenses won't just focus on defending the run.

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[quote=MTK;1318368]I definitely want to think that, but given the way things usually go for this team, chances are he will flame out and we'll be QB hunting again in the offseason.[/quote]

Every year...
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[quote=MTK;1318368]I definitely want to think that, but given the way things usually go for this team, chances are he will flame out and we'll be QB hunting again in the offseason.[/quote]

Eventually the sun shines on that dogs ass and we are that dog lmao

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1318450]Eventually the sun shines on that dogs ass and we are that dog lmao[/quote]

We are due for strong QB play…Alex, Haskin, Heinke, Fitzpatrick…man we have been on a roll

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[quote=Chico23231;1318451]We are due for strong QB play…Alex, Haskin, Heinke, Fitzpatrick…man we have been on a roll[/quote]Yes we are due. Feels like it's been decades. Eager to see what Wentz can do.

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It's crazy how NFL media has taken a lock-step position that Wentz is somehow one of the five worst QBs in the NFL. With a lot of it being based on dickfuck Irsay. Just crazy. He is a top 16 NFL QB. And 2nd best in our division.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1320977]It's crazy how NFL media has taken a lock-step position that Wentz is somehow one of the five worst QBs in the NFL. With a lot of it being based on dickfuck Irsay. Just crazy. He is a top 16 NFL QB. And 2nd best in our division.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, if he had gone to any other team the tune would be completely different. We just have to deal with that. He'll prove a lot of people wrong, and they'll be singing a different tune by week 6.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320979]Honestly, if he had gone to any other team the tune would be completely different. We just have to deal with that. He'll prove a lot of people wrong, and they'll be singing a different tune by week 6.[/quote]

This

Pittsburgh was def interested as well as Cleveland. If he woulda gone to Pittsburgh the talking heads would have called it a home run and they would be a “sleeper pick” this week going into the season.

This organization has rightfully earned this reputation..it’s gonna take alot more then Jason Wright pulling the same “winning off the field” narratives…only way to turn it around is on the field.

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Wentz is gonna prove a lot of folks wrong … gonna be a top 10 GB this year !!

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It's just weird how he is judged. Most media members are spineless, so once a narrative gets drawn, lots of people just fall in line.

He was No. 9 overall in QBR last year. Oh the horror of having him be the starting QB for X team in 2022. The horror!!!

Fuck Snyder and fuck our team (our team hasn't earned respect), it's flat out disrespectful to the man himself.

Media loves their narratives. Just an excuse to be lazy imo.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320984]It's just weird how he is judged. Most media members are spineless, so once a narrative gets drawn, lots of people just fall in line.

He was No. 9 overall in QBR last year. Oh the horror of having him be the starting QB for X team in 2022. The horror!!!

Fuck Snyder and fuck our team (our team hasn't earned respect), it's flat out disrespectful to the man himself.

Media loves their narratives. Just an excuse to be lazy imo.[/quote]

The media is not only ignoring recency bias, but also the fact that an NFL owner put in a full blown smear PR campaign against Wentz that EVERYONE is buying into.

I'm not going to drink the Kool-Aid and say that Wentz is going to be this great elite QB and whatnot. But what drives me crazy about all of this lazy journalism is that I ask myself: did these MF'ers see the QB play this team has had in the past couple of years? Any of them catch the gazillion wounded ducks that Heineke threw last year? Wentz may end up being an average QB, but that's a huge upgrade over the terrible QBs we've had in this team.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320984][B]It's just weird how he is judged.[/B] Most media members are spineless, so once a narrative gets drawn, lots of people just fall in line.

He was No. 9 overall in QBR last year. Oh the horror of having him be the starting QB for X team in 2022. The horror!!!

Fuck Snyder and fuck our team (our team hasn't earned respect), it's flat out disrespectful to the man himself.

Media loves their narratives. Just an excuse to be lazy imo.[/quote]

It's the red hair. In all seriousness I really don't see how this isn't a marked improvement in QB play from last year.

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Irsay's smear campaign worked apparently

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If Wentz was the QB for the Eagles again, I bet you the media would say they are still the favorites in the east

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[quote=Ruhskins;1321002]The media is not only ignoring recency bias, but also the fact that an NFL owner put in a full blown smear PR campaign against Wentz that EVERYONE is buying into.

I'm not going to drink the Kool-Aid and say that Wentz is going to be this great elite QB and whatnot. But what drives me crazy about all of this lazy journalism is that I ask myself: did these MF'ers see the QB play this team has had in the past couple of years? Any of them catch the gazillion wounded ducks that Heineke threw last year? Wentz may end up being an average QB, but that's a huge upgrade over the terrible QBs we've had in this team.[/quote]

FYI, Heineke had a better YPA than Wentz last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1321020]FYI, Heineke had a better YPA than Wentz last year.[/quote]

69, I’m gonna get you a Wentz jersey after he leads us to the playoffs this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1321020]FYI, Heineke had a better YPA than Wentz last year.[/quote]

Yet he still managed 27 TDs and 7 INTs. Imagine how much better he will be now that he has an O-line that can pass-block, and some legit weapons besides J Taylor.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1321020]FYI, Heineke had a better YPA than Wentz last year.[/quote]

Actually they were the same at 6.9

Both better than Josh Allen so I guess we're set

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In 8 starts Wentz didn't break 200 yards. In one start against NE he had 57 yards passing...lol.

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[quote=MTK;1321012]Irsay's smear campaign worked apparently[/quote]

Irsay is off the rails but I wouldn't call it a smear campaign.

Wentz blew the last two games.
Win 1 and youre in.

In the final two games: Combined!
33/57 (58%) Att/Comp
333 Yards
2TD/1INT

The two defense they played were ranked 26th and 29th in team defense.
Wentz and the rest of the O shit the bed.

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His O-line last year was ranked 30th in pass blocking efficiency...but I guess he should have somehow overcome that and taken them to the promise land. LOL

Look, I'm sure he could have played better. Should he shoulder some of the blame? Sure. Maybe he should washed his hands more, or worn a better mask, and not contracted COVID prior to the Raiders game... but the whole team as a unit could have played better down the stretch, and Coaches could have coached better.

It's just nuts how this guy is getting [U]all[/U] the blame for how his teams performed over his last two seasons. If you are on that wagon, you aren't looking at the whole picture.

We'll see how he does...my guess is he'll shut a lot of people up pretty quickly.

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So our qb is a guy “who could’ve played better”.
That is always the theme with this team.

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Yeah, probably. That's part of being an athlete, and these guys are the best of the best. They don't get where they are without always thinking that they could have played better, win or lose.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1321036]His O-line last year was ranked 30th in pass blocking efficiency...but I guess he should have somehow overcome that and taken them to the promise land. LOL

Look, I'm sure he could have played better. Should he shoulder some of the blame? Sure. Maybe he should washed his hands more, or worn a better mask, and not contracted COVID prior to the Raiders game... but the whole team as a unit could have played better down the stretch, and Coaches could have coached better.

It's just nuts how this guy is getting [U]all[/U] the blame for how his teams performed over his last two seasons. If you are on that wagon, you aren't looking at the whole picture.

We'll see how he does...my guess is he'll shut a lot of people up pretty quickly.[/quote]

I'm always a little skeptical about these so called stats like pass blocking efficiency. Who is the source? How do they judge it? Sacks? Pressures? Was the QB was holding the ball too long?

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Honestly, I’d love to see Wentz carve up Jax for 400 yards and 5 tds and then turn to the cameras and say, “Sorry, what was your question?” It’s amazing, not in a good way, how quick people are to pile on to the guy who as best I can tell has been a pretty standup guy during us time in the league.

If he can get the ball to Terry, Dotson, and Samuels in space, look out.


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[quote=jamf;1321035]Irsay is off the rails but I wouldn't call it a smear campaign.

Wentz blew the last two games.
Win 1 and youre in.

In the final two games: Combined!
33/57 (58%) Att/Comp
333 Yards
2TD/1INT

The two defense they played were ranked 26th and 29th in team defense.
Wentz and the rest of the O shit the bed.[/quote]

Has it deserved Irsay constantly bringing it up all off-season though? Sometimes he’s not even asked about it and he brings it up. Almost seems personal or something. If it’s not a smear job I don’t know what is.

The Colts D didn’t exactly come up big against Jax too.

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[quote=jamf;1321035]Irsay is off the rails but I wouldn't call it a smear campaign.

Wentz blew the last two games.
Win 1 and youre in.

In the final two games: Combined!
33/57 (58%) Att/Comp
333 Yards
2TD/1INT

The two defense they played were ranked 26th and 29th in team defense.
Wentz and the rest of the O shit the bed.[/quote]

Those two games are after Wentz got COVID.. From my personal experience, it took me almost one full month to fully recover before I could resume lifting weights. To summarize my weightlifting background, I have been lifting weights since I was in high school and I'm 34 years old now, so there is no question about my commitment to lifting weights. And yet I felt weak and had no motivations to lift weights after I recovered from COVID about 2 weeks later. It wasn't until the 4th week where I finally started to feel like I have energy to lift weights.

So I cannot imagine what it is like for Wentz to play only 1-2 weeks after getting it. On top of that, he is not vaccinated so he might had it worse than I did (I'm vaccinated).

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[quote=skinsfan69;1321069]I'm always a little skeptical about these so called stats like pass blocking efficiency. Who is the source? How do they judge it? Sacks? Pressures? Was the QB was holding the ball too long?[/quote]

It's PFF. I don't know exactly how they calculate their stats to compile their rankings, but I'm guessing their analysis is more reputable than anyone on here.

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[quote=MTK;1321101]Has it deserved Irsay constantly bringing it up all off-season though? Sometimes he’s not even asked about it and he brings it up. Almost seems personal or something. If it’s not a smear job I don’t know what is.

The Colts D didn’t exactly come up big against Jax too.[/quote]

Exactly. He's been seemingly going out of his way to comment on it whenever a microphone is in front of his big mouth. Pretty classless. I can't wait until we play Indy. Blow the doors off 'em and see what he has to say then...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1321109]Exactly. He's been seemingly going out of his way to comment on it whenever a microphone is in front of his big mouth. Pretty classless. I can't wait until we play Indy. Blow the doors off 'em and see what he has to say then...[/QUOTE]


We couldn’t blow the doors off of anybody but yes Irsay is a classless pos. Hopefully Carson at least carves them up and we win 37-33.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1321069]I'm always a little skeptical about these so called stats like pass blocking efficiency. Who is the source? How do they judge it? Sacks? Pressures? Was the QB was holding the ball too long?[/QUOTE]


Paging Okie…….

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[quote=punch it in;1321110]We couldn’t blow the doors off of anybody but yes Irsay is a classless pos. Hopefully Carson at least carves them up and we win 37-33.[/quote]

I'm not so sure. We haven't seen anything yet, but I'm not ready to say we can't do anything yet...including completely shit the bed...

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49 yarder to Terry is something D coordinators now have to account for. No more single high safety bullshit.

With the long ball of Wentz and Terry/Samuel/Dotson it should soften up the box .. I hope.

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I know some of you guys do not like Wentz (Not sure why) but He is in the top 5 in every passing category through 2 weeks.

Also he is the first Washington QB ever to have 7 Tds in his first 2 games.

Yeah he makes some bad decisions but the dude is pretty dang good.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1322461]I know some of you guys do not like Wentz (Not sure why) but He is in the top 5 in every passing category through 2 weeks.

Also he is the first Washington QB ever to have 7 Tds in his first 2 games.

[B]Yeah he makes some bad decisions but the dude is pretty dang good.[/B][/quote]

Bout sums it up. Every week he's almost guaranteed to have some bad plays. I don't care as long as he plays good the rest of the time. Yesterday the first half was basically them thinking he'd have time for 5 and 7 step drops when the Lions d was overwhelming our blocking. Scott should've adjusted quicker.

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Garbage time stats.

For the record, I blame the loss 100% on coaching.
They all sucked yesterday.

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[quote=jamf;1322466]Garbage time stats.

For the record, I blame the loss 100% on coaching.
They all sucked yesterday.[/quote]

Lol…Jamf

Come’on Man!

Agree, the special teams were shit too. But I can’t believe how unprepared Ron, JDR and Turner were coming into the game. We knew Lions blitzed a ton…we knew this coming in, the Oline wasn’t ready for it. The defense is just a fuckin joke. These LB are horseshit.

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I really don't care about the stats, but I will have to eat some crow and give this guy some credit. He is better than I thought he was, but it is only two weeks.

I thought he was mentally shot after getting the boot by two teams but he is anything but that. He makes a few bad plays but it does not bother him one bit and he comes back and makes great plays. Can he get better with these guys he has around him? I think he can.

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[quote=jamf;1322466]Garbage time stats.

For the record, I blame the loss 100% on coaching.
They all sucked yesterday.[/quote]

I don't think they were garbage stats. The Lions were coming after him and sending pressure in the 2nd half. Wentz played a hell of a half. That was some really good QB play in the 2nd half. He was doing it all, also made some nice plays w/his legs. That looked like the guy from 2017.

1st half? Not sure anyone could have played well w/ the pressure the Lions were getting.