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[quote=That Guy;530529]I think one thing we should remember is the history of monster deals...

dockery 7 year 49mill -> dumped in two years
champ 2billion -> making insane money on one of the leagues worst defenses (And pass defenses).
arch/lloyd -> yeah, us too, go figure
kearse/etc etc etc

lots more, but there seems to be an awful high tendency for the highest paid FAs (that change teams) to end up as wasted money... and because of our cap situation, haynesworth is the all or nothing gamble (whereas, in tampa, they have 50mill after his signing, so its not either/or with them (ie EITHER haynesworth fixes all our problems (offense too) OR it's a mistake to choose him over OL/CB/DE/etc)).

if browns coming that means that either hall or haynesworth aren't.

we could do dock/brown/willis (OL), crowell (LB), hall or foxworth (CB), nugent (K -> this wont happen) or a punter, then draft a DE keep our DTs, and go OL or LB in the 3rd...

we'll see, but honestly, it's safer (much less likely to end up with a bad outcome) short and long term to diversify since we've got a lot of obvious holes.[/quote]

This is why free agency has been controversial. It causes dissent in the locker room.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530516]Jason Brown is looking to become one of the highest paid interior linemen in the NFL. Do you really think he's worth that kind of money to play center for us?[/quote]

Where are you getting the dollar/contract amounts from, that he's looking for?

Highest paid interior lineman......HELL NO!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;530540]Where are you getting the dollar/contract amounts from, that he's looking for?

Highest paid interior lineman......HELL NO![/quote]


I concur! But, espn repoted that Brown and his agent are looking for a huge deal, more specifically to be the highest paid interior lineman in the league. I don't have a link considering I am one of three people left in the US that still have a dial up connection. :laughing2

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After midnight....I hope we bypass Brown to!

REDSKINS EXPECTED TO BID ON BROWN
Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 26, 2009, 9:14 p.m.

The Washington Redskins intend to go after Baltimore Ravens free agent center Jason Brown after midnight when the free agency signing period officially begins unless they re-sign left guard Pete Kendall, according to Adam Caplan of Scout.com.

Per Caplan, Brown could be paid at a level approaching top guard money. That would mean an annual average compensation of $8 million.

The Miami Dolphins, who have been looking to improve at center over starter Samson Satele, and the Buffalo Bills are expected to pursue Brown, too.

According to the article, the St. Louis Rams and the Jacksonville Jaguars are expected to bypass Brown.

The Minnesota Vikings are another possibility if Matt Birk isn’t re-signed.

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I wish it were 12:02(ok, maybe 12:05 ;) )

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well, 6/48 with 20mill bonus gets brown here at 7mill in 2009 as a straight deal (in compliance with end of cap rules) with no weird accounting tricks.

i'd prefer 6yr/40mill with 20mill SB though.

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I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about us (possibly) picking up Jason Brown, you're an idiot. This guy is young and talented, he can play guard or center, he will add youth to the line. He's suited for a power running team and is pretty good in pass protection. I say let's sign him, bring him at guard, and let's draft a RT. If Dock comes cheap, sign him too, giving us three offensive lineman under the age of 30 (Brown, Dock, Rook). After so much b!tching and whining about Albert Haynesworth, when the team looks for a good and talented player for the offensive line (you know, that part of the team that broke down and contributed a lot to our 2-6 decline).

That being said, I think the team should not go after Albert Haynesworth if they look to sign Brown. Bring in Canty for lesser value, bring in some LB depth through the draft. Oh well, that's my humble opinion. Fire away at the criticism.

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First in...? 12:01

This would appear from at least the outside IMO a deal that will get done, we shall see..? And I like this move if it happens.

CANTY TO BE THE FIRST TO VISIT THE ‘SKINS?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2009, 10:17 p.m.

At a time when many are assuming that Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth or Ravens center Jason Brown will be the first free agents to visit Redskins Park when the doors fly open at 12:01 a.m. EST, we’re hearing indications that the first visitor will actually be Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty.

Canty has been a defensive end in the 3-4 attack that the Cowboys employ.

The Washington Post reported on Thursday that the ‘Skins are interested, explaining that he would play defensive end on first and second downs, and move inside in obvious passing situations.

Canty recently has expressed an interest in playing for the Dolphins, given that Miami V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells drafted Canty out of Virginia when Parcells was the coach in Dallas.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530557]I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about us (possibly) picking up Jason Brown, you're an idiot. This guy is young and talented, he can play guard or center, he will add youth to the line. He's suited for a power running team and is pretty good in pass protection. I say let's sign him, bring him at guard, and let's draft a RT. If Dock comes cheap, sign him too, giving us three offensive lineman under the age of 30 (Brown, Dock, Rook). After so much b!tching and whining about Albert Haynesworth, when the team looks for a good and talented player for the offensive line (you know, that part of the team that broke down and contributed a lot to our 2-6 decline).

That being said, I think the team should not go after Albert Haynesworth if they look to sign Brown. Bring in Canty for lesser value, bring in some LB depth through the draft. Oh well, that's my humble opinion. Fire away at the criticism.[/quote]

No criticism from my corner wrt the o-line and not breaking the bank on big Al. CANNOT AGREE ON CANTY. Jeez does it not matter to anyone that he's an f'ing Cowboy... a team full of drama and showboats and everything that we're so lucky to not have to deal with.

... I've said it before and I'll say it again, a monster at SLB will do more for us than a nice upgrade on the d-line. Only a really hungry Haynesworth would be more beneficial than a stud OLB but I think we all suspect he'll mail it in w/ a huge, longterm contract. If we address the o-line as you have here Ruh then we can take Rey Maluauga at 13 in all probability, the hardest hitter in the draft and a guy who will bring the heat when he blitzes. I think that's smarter than dishing out a pile for Canty, who will def not come cheap according to his agent. Besides, Canty will be happy to play for the Tuna again where we don't have to see him.

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Why do you think Canty wants to leave Dallas? He's a high-character guy, signing him would be a steal

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;530549]I wish it were 12:02(ok, maybe 12:05 ;) )[/quote]

I think Miami is going to have a deal done by 12:10 AM, that Tuna knows how to make a deal in minutes. LOL.

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ok off topic so I apologize in advance. are we starting new threads for every free agent signing (I'm only asking because we're about an hour away)?

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[quote=The Goat;530565]No criticism from my corner wrt the o-line and not breaking the bank on big Al. CANNOT AGREE ON CANTY. [B] Jeez does it not matter to anyone that he's an f'ing Cowboy[/B]... a team full of drama and showboats and everything that we're so lucky to not have to deal with.

... I've said it before and I'll say it again, a monster at SLB will do more for us than a nice upgrade on the d-line. Only a really hungry Haynesworth would be more beneficial than a stud OLB but I think we all suspect he'll mail it in w/ a huge, longterm contract. If we address the o-line as you have here Ruh then we can take Rey Maluauga at 13 in all probability, the hardest hitter in the draft and a guy who will bring the heat when he blitzes. I think that's smarter than dishing out a pile for Canty, who will def not come cheap according to his agent. Besides, Canty will be happy to play for the Tuna again where we don't have to see him.[/quote]

No it doesn't. You've gotta forget about the fact he is a Cowboy. He's a good player, period. Passing on a guy based on who he plays for is just insane.

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I believe that in recent light of Danny sitting down with AH's agent it wouldn't look good if he was our first visit, or if we were to sign him right away because it could be ammunition for Tennesse to claim tampering on part of Washington. If I am wrong to think that way then let me know.

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What time is it there??
Its 5.00pm here in Samoa! and about to go home and looking forward to checking the news 2morrow.

HTTR

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[quote=Hamoskinz;530572]What time is it there??
Its 5.00pm here in Samoa! and about to go home and looking forward to checking the news 2morrow.

HTTR[/quote]

3 Minutes till 11PM EST.

Edit: Look at the time on your post.

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[quote=SmootSmack;530566]Why do you think Canty wants to leave Dallas? He's a high-character guy, signing him would be a steal[/quote]

I've only heard he's shown some interest in Miami cuz of the FO/coaching ties. Honestly I'd want out of Dallas as a clean character guy :). What I've not heard is that he has any interest coming to DC and again it almost baffles me so many Skins fans would want that.

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Since when is bringing in a good player baffling??

Don't forget when went to school at VA.

Plus... a gain for us in Canty is a loss for Dallas. It's a win-win.

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[quote=Angry;530570]I believe that in recent light of Danny sitting down with AH's agent it wouldn't look good if he was our first visit, or if we were to sign him right away because it could be ammunition for Tennesse to claim tampering on part of Washington. If I am wrong to think that way then let me know.[/quote]

PFT is saying that Canty will be our first visit. Yeah I know, it's PFT.

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[quote=Mattyk72;530569]No it doesn't. You've gotta forget about the fact he is a Cowboy. He's a good player, period. Passing on a guy based on who he plays for is just [B]insane[/B].[/quote]

LOL can I change my name to Captain Insano?

... i know i'm not going to change any minds on Canty and nobody sees it my way...

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Football is a business, if Canty comes here, he's going to get paid to go after his old teammates, and I doubt he's going to have any second thoughts about flattening Romo.

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[quote=Angry;530573]3 Minutes till 11PM EST.

Edit: Look at the time on your post.[/quote]

Time posts only shows the local time (Samoan time) for me, probably you guys are seeing your time zone on yours (eastern etc).

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[quote=Ruhskins;530557]This guy is young and talented...[/quote]

you mispelled my name :/

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[quote=That Guy;530580]you mispelled my name :/[/quote]

Good one. LOL.

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[quote=Hamoskinz;530579]Time posts only shows the local time (Samoan time) for me, probably you guys are seeing your time zone on yours (eastern etc).[/quote]

I didn't realize that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530557]I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about us (possibly) picking up Jason Brown, you're an idiot. This guy is young and talented, he can play guard or center, he will add youth to the line. He's suited for a power running team and is pretty good in pass protection. I say let's sign him, bring him at guard, and let's draft a RT. If Dock comes cheap, sign him too, giving us three offensive lineman under the age of 30 (Brown, Dock, Rook). After so much b!tching and whining about Albert Haynesworth, when the team looks for a good and talented player for the offensive line (you know, that part of the team that broke down and contributed a lot to our 2-6 decline).

That being said, I think the team should not go after Albert Haynesworth if they look to sign Brown. Bring in Canty for lesser value, bring in some LB depth through the draft. Oh well, that's my humble opinion. Fire away at the criticism.[/quote]
No, youre an idiot. Brown is going to command top dollar and youre suggesting that this would be a good deal. clearly you're someone that lives in a fantasy world and that's where you should remain. keep dreaming, ruh skins, especially for someone who doesnt even watch all of the redskins games. you're a moron.

Also, where does this notion of signing Canty come in? He's a 3-4 defensive end and nowhere would it suggest that he would fit in our 4-3 scheme. you're a dumbass.

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and to The Goat - i think a stud DL guys trumps a stud LB any day. just look at the payrolls and drafts for proof.

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[quote=That Guy;530584]and to The Goat - i think a stud DL guys trumps a stud LB any day. just look at the payrolls and drafts for proof.[/quote]

And look at who is probably going to ink the biggest contract for a defensive player this offseason, perhaps of all time.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530583]No, youre an idiot. Brown is going to command top dollar and youre suggesting that this would be a good deal. clearly you're someone that lives in a fantasy world and that's where you should remain. keep dreaming, ruh skins, especially for someone who doesnt even watch all of the redskins games. you're a moron.

Also, where does this notion of signing Canty come in? He's a 3-4 defensive end and nowhere would it suggest that he would fit in our 4-3 scheme. you're a dumbass.[/quote]

was all that necessary and genius it has already been reported that the skins have intrest in canty

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NFL Rumor
CANTY TO BE THE FIRST TO VISIT THE ‘SKINS?
February 26, 2009
At a time when many are assuming that Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth or Ravens center Jason Brown will be the first free agents to visit Redskins Park when the doors fly open at 12:01 a.m. EST, we’re hearing indications that the first visitor will actually be Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty.

Canty has been a defensive end in the 3-4 attack that the Cowboys employ.

The Washington Post reported on Thursday that the ‘Skins are interested, explaining that he would play defensive end on first and second downs, and move inside in obvious passing situations
[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/26/canty-to-be-the-first-to-visit-the-skins/]ProFootballTalk.com - CANTY TO BE THE FIRST TO VISIT THE ‘SKINS?[/url]

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530583]No, youre an idiot. Brown is going to command top dollar and youre suggesting that this would be a good deal. clearly you're someone that lives in a fantasy world and that's where you should remain. keep dreaming, ruh skins, especially for someone who doesnt even watch all of the redskins games. you're a moron.

Also, where does this notion of signing Canty come in? He's a 3-4 defensive end and nowhere would it suggest that he would fit in our 4-3 scheme. you're a dumbass.[/quote]

I guess Scouts Inc. are a bunch of dumbasses too?

[B]Comment: [/B]Canty has great size and natural strength to hold the point versus the run or push the pocket rushing the passer. He is long-limbed, which enables him to lock out and shed effectively. He has improved his hand use to separate to ball carriers and has become a more active defender in his third season. He is an instinctive player reacting well as plays unfold. He feels pad pressure well and constrains running lanes by pressing back into blockers. Canty had his best season of his pro career and has improved his pass rush package, but needs to continue to expand his initial moves and counters. He is a good football player who plays with a great motor and should continue to get better as his career progresses. [B]His outstanding size makes him a fit in both a 3-4 or 4-3 defensive schemes and his versatility gives him added value.[/B] Canty will be a high-value free agent and likely re-signed by the Cowboys.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530583]No, youre an idiot. Brown is going to command top dollar and youre suggesting that this would be a good deal. clearly you're someone that lives in a fantasy world and that's where you should remain. keep dreaming, ruh skins, [B]especially for someone who doesnt even watch all of the redskins games[/B]. you're a moron.

Also, where does this notion of signing Canty come in? He's a 3-4 defensive end and nowhere would it suggest that he would fit in our 4-3 scheme. you're a dumbass.[/quote]

Damn, have you been over my house? Thanks for the insults by the way.

Anyway, I personally think is a good idea to spend top dollar in the area that really killed us last year, or so I hear since you obviously know that I didn't watch all the games. I mean the team was getting ready to spend top dollar on a defensive lineman, but I just had this crazy thought that they may want to spend that on the o-line, since I hear rumors that JC spent a lot of time on his back with some d-lineman on top of him. But hey, I'm a moron, no?

Well I've seen some media outlets that there's an interest in Canty, and well I'm sure he can adjust to to the 4-3, otherwise the team wouldn't be interested in him. But once again, there goes moron me talking crap.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530578]Football is a business, if Canty comes here, he's going to get paid to go after his old teammates, and I doubt he's going to have any second thoughts about flattening Romo.[/quote]

Look I'll put it this way... I think most of the other FA signings being discussed will do more for us than Canty will anyway. As we've all said a million times the o-line needs major upgrading. Dock, Brown and probably this kid Willis (if even for depth) will help the offense more than Canty will help the defense. Even on defense i still think, in part because of our system and in part because I think as fans we tend to underrate some of our own players, a huge upgrade at SLB will make us better than adding Canty to the d-line will. Last but not least I think Hall will make a bigger impact than Canty... it's not like he's a sack machine either. I believe Evans, Carter and even the injured Jason Taylor each got more sacks than Canty did last year. Canty is a younger version of Daniels except he's likely to demand really big money.

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Canty has been a defensive end in the 3-4 attack that the Cowboys employ.

The Washington Post reported on Thursday that the ‘Skins are interested, [B]explaining that he would play defensive end on first and second downs, and move inside in obvious passing situations[/B]

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See what happens when you're "lost in the sauce" you come out looking like a dumbass

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[quote=Mattyk72;530588]I guess Scouts Inc. are a bunch of dumbasses too?

[B]Comment: [/B]Canty has great size and natural strength to hold the point versus the run or push the pocket rushing the passer. He is long-limbed, which enables him to lock out and shed effectively. He has improved his hand use to separate to ball carriers and has become a more active defender in his third season. He is an instinctive player reacting well as plays unfold. He feels pad pressure well and constrains running lanes by pressing back into blockers. Canty had his best season of his pro career and has improved his pass rush package, but needs to continue to expand his initial moves and counters. He is a good football player who plays with a great motor and should continue to get better as his career progresses. [B]His outstanding size makes him a fit in both a 3-4 or 4-3 defensive schemes and his versatility gives him added value.[/B] Canty will be a high-value free agent and likely re-signed by the Cowboys.[/quote]

Matty, don't you know that the morons at Scouts Inc don't watch all of the Redskins games...well I guess in this case it'd be the Cowboy games. But they don't apparently. LOL. :smashfrea

On a serious note, I'm getting more and more sold on Canty. I think I heard SmootSmack or someone else mention that he'd be used as a DT, any thoughts about this?

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530583]No, youre an idiot. Brown is going to command top dollar and youre suggesting that this would be a good deal. clearly you're someone that lives in a fantasy world and that's where you should remain. keep dreaming, ruh skins, especially for someone who doesnt even watch all of the redskins games. you're a moron.

Also, where does this notion of signing Canty come in? He's a 3-4 defensive end and nowhere would it suggest that he would fit in our 4-3 scheme. you're a dumbass.[/quote]

little hostile.

and canty would be filling in for daniels - being the heavy for carter opposite him and taylor behind him (assuming taylor stays).

honestly, a great way to learn if a player is a good signing is to go to fansites or their current teams and see what they say. remember when the bills fans came here for info on dock, and we said he was vastly overpaid and a below average starting guard? then they watch him underperform there and toss him after 2 years.

canty's good, he'd help us.

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Ah hell, i'm not gonna make any headway on this one... looks like we'll have a Cowboy on the roster by morning.

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Damn fella's. Calm down. We're all looking for the same thing. Just different ideas on how to get there. Must I ALWAYS be the calm voice of reason? :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;530588]I guess Scouts Inc. are a bunch of dumbasses too?

[B]Comment: [/B]Canty has great size and natural strength to hold the point versus the run or push the pocket rushing the passer. He is long-limbed, which enables him to lock out and shed effectively. He has improved his hand use to separate to ball carriers and has become a more active defender in his third season. He is an instinctive player reacting well as plays unfold. He feels pad pressure well and constrains running lanes by pressing back into blockers. Canty had his best season of his pro career and has improved his pass rush package, but needs to continue to expand his initial moves and counters. He is a good football player who plays with a great motor and should continue to get better as his career progresses. [B]His outstanding size makes him a fit in both a 3-4 or 4-3 defensive schemes and his versatility gives him added value.[/B] [B]Canty will be a high-value free agent and likely re-signed by the Cowboys[/B].[/quote]

Exactly. Any notion that he would fit in a 4-3 scheme is pure speculation. I could care less what "scouts inc." has to say. Also note how it says he should be resinged by the Cowboys.