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[quote=CultBrennan59;602582]No, I'm still gonna watch us lose, just so I can go on these threads and hear all this campbell supporters above my post not say anything on sundays when we're sucking against whatever bad team we're playing, throwing picks or staying on one receiver the whole time, [B]or always finishing one yard shy of the first or missing open receivers. Plus I want us to get a good QB next year in the draft, simply because I can tell you all with confidence that JC won't be here next year nor will Zorn. Shannahan will draft Sam Bradford, Jevan snead, or tim tebow.[/B][/quote]

See this is when I question your common sense. How is he responsible for a WR or RB gaining an extra yard?

Lets take this further. Bradford has't played since the first game because of a injury to his throwing shoulder. He may completely come back from that injury but its a wait and see thing. We have to see how he looks when he plays again. We dont want a repeat of Chad Pennington.

Jevan Snead hasn't been looking that good this season very inconsistent against college competition.

Tim Tebow - Is not a protype NFL QB and plays in a spread offense which sometimes doesn't translate to the NFL. He wont be scrambling and running in the NFL like he did in college which will take way from the game he played in college. He has good leadership skills. but many question if his other skills will translate to the NFL type game and its speed.

[I]You are obvioulsy and imposter not a real Redskins fan. Or you just signed on to the team because Colt is here. If so come back when he comes of IR.[/I]

If Bradford was healthy he would be the best selection. But like I said he is in a wait and see situation.

So you are watching games just to antagonize true Redskins fans? If that is your MO then you really are a hater and not a real fan!!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602598]hahahaha...let's remember you saying this at the bye week, and we'll see how great our QB is and how our coach is doing, OK?[/quote]

Well if we're losing you get your wish right? By the way, sorry to hear about your Cowboys losing today.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602582]No, I'm still gonna watch us lose, just so I can go on these threads and hear all this campbell supporters above my post not say anything on sundays when we're sucking against whatever bad team we're playing, throwing picks or staying on one receiver the whole time, or always finishing one yard shy of the first or missing open receivers. Plus I want us to get a good QB next year in the draft, simply because I can tell you all with confidence that JC won't be here next year nor will Zorn. Shannahan will draft Sam Bradford, Jevan snead, or tim tebow.[/quote]

Cool, enjoy that all season. Sounds like fun wishing ill on your 'favorite' team so you can selfishly gloat. Good luck with that.

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[quote=Paintrain;602601]Cool, enjoy that all season. Sounds like fun wishing ill on your 'favorite' team so you can selfishly gloat. Good luck with that.[/quote]

Nah, this dude is a Cowboys fan. He's just angry that they lost to Denver today.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602599]See this is when I question your common sense. [B]How is he responsible for a WR or RB gaining an extra yard?[/B]

Lets take this further. Bradford has't played since the first game because of a injury to his throwing shoulder. He may completely come back from that injury but its a wait and see thing. We have to see how he looks when he plays again. We dont want a repeat of Chad Pennington.

Jevan Snead hasn't been looking that good this season very inconsistent against college competition.

Tim Tebow - Is not a protype NFL QB and plays in a spread offense which sometimes doesn't translate to the NFL. He wont be scrambling and running in the NFL like he did in college which will take way from the game he played in college. He has good leadership skills. but many question if his other skills will translate to the NFL type game and its speed.
You are obvioulsy and imposter not a real Redskins fan. Or you just signed on to the team because Colt is here.

If Bradford was healthy he would be the best selection. But like I said he is in a wait and see situation.

So you are watching games just to antagonize true Redskins fan. If that is your MO then you really are a hater!![/quote]

He's not supposed to throw it to them, he should throw it to the receiver running past the 1st down marker.

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[quote=Ruhskins;602600]Well if we're losing you get your wish right? By the way, sorry to hear about your Cowboys losing today.[/quote]

I'm very happy the cowboys lost to the broncos today, but that also means we'll probably lose to the broncos now whenever we play them

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602604]He's not supposed to throw it to them, he should throw it to the receiver running past the 1st down marker.[/quote]

How can Romo throw it to Roy Williams, he was hurt? Just let that loss go man.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602604]He's not supposed to throw it to them, he should throw it to the receiver running past the 1st down marker.[/quote]

Yeah and how about the receiver gaining an extra yard. What if that is his option because he is being rushed and a defender is breathing down his neck. Regardless. If its just a yard then the person who catches the ball needs to give just a little more effort. But you can't pin that totally on JC. Just be happy Colt is still on the team. He might be gone next year also.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602606]I'm very happy the cowboys lost to the broncos today, but that also means we'll probably lose to the broncos now whenever we play them[/quote]

Stop saying that about your team dude, Cowboys for life, right?

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602608]Yeah and how about the receiver gaining an extra yard. What if that is his option because he is being rushed and a defender is breathing down his neck. Regardless. If its jsut a yard then the person who catches the ball needs to give just a little more effort. But you can't pin that totally on JC. Just be happy Colt is still on the team. He might be gone next year also.[/quote]

Man, quit arguing with this Cowboys fan, you know how they are, always finding something negative and wishing that our team loses.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602604]He's not supposed to throw it to them, he should throw it to the receiver running past the 1st down marker.[/quote]

And if they are not open then who does he throw it too? Buddy you need think before you post dumb shit like this.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;602615]And if they are not open then who does he throw it too? Buddy you need think before you post dumb shit like this.[/quote]

Don't bother dude, this guy is a Cowboys fan. I've given up arguing with him.

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Quit saying I'm a cowboys fan. Even when the day comes that I quit watching the Skins, (Surprisingly that day hasn't come yet), I would never pick them as my next team to root for. I'm more of a colts fan after the skins

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602617]Quit saying I'm a cowboys fan. Even when the day comes that I quit watching the Skins, (Surprisingly that day hasn't come yet), I would never pick them as my next team to root for. I'm more of a colts fan after the skins[/quote]

Is that Colts or Colt?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602617]Quit saying I'm a cowboys fan. Even when the day comes that I quit watching the Skins, (Surprisingly that day hasn't come yet), I would never pick them as my next team to root for. I'm more of a colts fan after the skins[/quote]

You want the Redskins to fail, to me you're a Cowboys fan.

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[quote=12thMan;602618]Is that Colts or Colt?[/quote]

A Colt fan, he became a Colt Brennan fan after he started to date Jessica Simpson, just like his team's QB Romo.

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[quote=12thMan;602618]Is that Colts or Colt?[/quote]

I think he meant Colt or Colt's fan.

Or is this Jessica Simpson...Hmmmmm

Is "Chicken of the Sea" chicken or fish? LMFAO

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602622]I think he meant Colt or Colt's fan.

[B]Or is this Jessica Simpson[/B]...Hmmmmm

Is "Chicken of the Sea" chicken or fish? LMFAO[/quote]

Maybe if Jessica was still dating Romo.

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[quote=Ruhskins;602623]Maybe if Jessica was still dating Romo.[/quote]

If she was dating Colt wouldn't she be bashing Campbell because she wants her BF to start? lol

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602624]If she was dating Colt wouldn't she be bashing Campbell because she wants her BF to start? lol[/quote]

Ah good point...except that they were calling for the team to draft Tebow. Good guess though, but this person has the logic of a Cowboys fan.

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[quote=Ruhskins;602626]Ah good point...except that they were calling for the team to draft Tebow. Good guess though, but this person has the logic of a Cowboys fan.[/quote]

Yeah I guess Jessica Simpson does have more logic than a Cowgirls fan. Good point!! Or either she is eyeing Tebow as her next victim..lol

Where did the Cowboys fan go? He must have went back to the Cowboys forum.

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Getting back to JC...I think was probably the worst game he plays all season and I expect he takes off from here. I think Jason's getting into the mindset where he can take over games...I still love this kid.

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[quote=The Goat;602630]Getting back to JC...I think was probably the worst game he plays all season and I expect he takes off from here. I think Jason's getting into the mindset where he can take over games...I still love this kid.[/quote]

Yeah I think this game is going to be the game that is instrumental in his career for the simple fact that. He threw 2 ints and came back and threw 2 tds to deliver us from a potential loss. In those terms he is a leader. Because he could have simply dropped his head and let the ints hurt his confidence the whole game. Seems like he is getting more into that gunslinger mentality and not afraid to make mistakes and come back and make a good play. That is a good sign!! Few people will see it. But this game might just give him the boost he needs and the defense got a boost too. People say Cutler this Cutler that. But he was given the green light since day one. JC had only been given the yellow light so to speak. But now its seems like Zorn is throwing caution in the wind and letting JC take more chances and one thing I like about Zorn is. He got balls. He will go for it on 4 down and not give a flying fig what anyone thinks. That has to show the players he has some confidence in them and also in Campbell. That may be hard for some people to fathom.

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He had a bad half. I'm not worried about it. I was happy he brought us back from 10 down. He made some big plays w/ his legs. But he is what he is....average. But our wr's need to stop playing like little bitches. Outside of Moss and Cooley we have NO ONE that can get open.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;602496]No, two bad halves and one throw to Moss after he beat his man on a double move. He was not seeing the field at all. I have no idea what was happening downfield without the All-22, but it is obvious that the guy is not making quick decisions, has no timing to his game, and is unable to get a clear picture of the defenses he is seeing. That Tampa team was the worst pass defense in the NFL coming into this game. [B]It is also a complete fallacy to think that this was the first poor game that Campbell has had this year.[/B] He has had these problems seeing the field all year, it just showed up more blatantly in the stat line today.[/quote]I think you're making a lot of generalizations to try to fit a games-worth of evidence into a single neat storyline, and it's costing you some accuracy. On the whole, you're right, Campbell wasn't really diagnosing coverages most of the game, and it led to a bunch of errors. But not all of Campbell's errors fit into this blanket critique.

A lot of his problems in this game were just due to plain old inaccuracy with the football. And the statistics suggest that he was one of the most accurate passers in the league last year. So that screams aberration.

He was also somewhat indecisive with the football at points where he stepped up in the pocket, and that's the thing he corrected in the second half. He made his decisions much quicker in the second half than the first. Which is what he needs to be doing.

And no, I simply don't agree that you can extend these mistakes back to the first two games of the season. Agreed on the poor quality of the Tampa pass defense, but if you're just going to be a revisionist, then we can't be friends. The context is absolutely critical. We've seen Campbell look bad for two-game stretches before, and put together darn good years overall.

So in conclusion, though I feel like a lot of your criticisms are legit, the "I've seen enough" attitude is peculiar at best.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602632]Yeah I think this game is going to be the game that is instrumental in his career for the simple fact that. He threw 2 ints and came back and threw 2 tds to deliver us from a potential loss. In those tersm he is a leader. Because he could have simply dropped his head and let the ints hurt his confidence the whole game. Seems like he is getting more into that gunslinger mentality and not afraid to make mistakes and come back and make a good play. That is a good sign. Few people will see it. But this game might jsut give him the boost he needs and the defense got a boost too. People say Cutler this Cutler that. But he was given the green light since day one. JC had only been given the yellow light so to speak. But now its seems like Zorn is throwing caution in the wind and letting JC take more chances and one thing I like about Zorn is. He got balls. He will go for it on 4 down and not give a flying fig what anyone thinks. That has to show the plaeyrs he has some confidence in them and also in Campbell. That may be hard for some peopel to fathom.[/quote]

Nice post amigo.

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I'm a Colts fan and a Colt Brennan fan...NOT a COWBOYS fan, I hate them and Jessica Simpson, quit saying that, why can't you all atleast have the decentcy to call me a Eagles or Giants fan, then I wouldn't be as mad

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602655]I'm a Colts fan and a Colt Brennan fan...NOT a COWBOYS fan, I hate them and Jessica Simpson, quit saying that, why can't you all atleast have the decentcy to call me a Eagles or Giants fan, then I wouldn't be as mad[/quote]

You need to go get a life and go post on the Colts blog. Your opinions dont carry any weight here because you are not a true fan. You are here to just start BS with your meaningless statements. Go root on your Colts and stay the F-away from us real Redskins fans. :Flush:

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602655]I'm a Colts fan and a Colt Brennan fan...NOT a COWBOYS fan, I hate them and Jessica Simpson, quit saying that, why can't you all atleast have the decentcy to call me a Eagles or Giants fan, then I wouldn't be as mad[/quote]

Because you want our team to fail, and who wants our team to fail more than an Eagles or Giants fan? A Cowboys fan, and that's what you are.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602632]Yeah I think this game is going to be the game that is instrumental in his career for the simple fact that. He threw 2 ints and came back and threw 2 tds to deliver us from a potential loss. In those terms he is a leader. Because he could have simply dropped his head and let the ints hurt his confidence the whole game. Seems like he is getting more into that gunslinger mentality and not afraid to make mistakes and come back and make a good play. That is a good sign!! Few people will see it. But this game might just give him the boost he needs and the defense got a boost too. People say Cutler this Cutler that. But he was given the green light since day one. JC had only been given the yellow light so to speak. But now its seems like Zorn is throwing caution in the wind and letting JC take more chances and one thing I like about Zorn is. He got balls. He will go for it on 4 down and not give a flying fig what anyone thinks. That has to show the players he has some confidence in them and also in Campbell. That may be hard for some people to fathom.[/quote]

Well said.

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UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 4 - 18/28 (64.3%), 141 yds, 2 TD, 0 INTS, 100.4 rating, 8 rush yds
TOTAL: 83/129 (64.3%), 901 yds, 8 TD, 5 INT, 89.3 rating, 22 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 4 - 14/27 (51.9%), 138 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 27.0 rating, 24 rush yds
TOTAL: 63/110 (57.3%), 744 yds, 4 TD, 5 INT, 71.2 rating, 38 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 4 - 12/22 (54.5%), 170 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT, 70.5 rating, 20 rush yds
TOTAL: 81/124 (65.3%), 963 yds, 5 TD, 5 INT, 85.5 rating, 85 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campell (963), Cutler (901), Sanchez (744)
TDs = Cutler (8), Campbell (5), Sanchez (4)
INTs = Campbell/Cutler/Sanchez (5 ea)
QB rating = Cutler (89.3), Campbell (85.5), Sanchez (71.2)
Rush yds = Campbell (85), Sanchez(38), Cutler (22)


Campbell, despite tehe bad half in the TB game, is still leading all three QBs in most categories. All QBs have an equal 5 INTs. He has more yards than Cutler and Sanchez, both in the air and on the ground. If he did not have those couple of TDs dropped earlier in the season, he'd be even with Cutler on TDs and ahead on Rating, the only two categories he's not leading. The 3 INTs vs. TB is not typical Campbell play, as he's usually one of the best QBs in the NFL at NOT throwing INTs. That performance will be an anomaly this season and he'll finish with far less INTs thrown than the other two QBs we're comparing. Also, despite a weak-looking stat line, he led all three QBs in production in Week 4. Against the same Lions team, Cambell had 200 MORE YARDS than Cutler.

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OK, ill bite. why cant Campbell throw more touchdown passes? is it him, or the talent around him? i know, the old chicken and the egg. and i do like you continuing to post these numbers

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[quote=dmek25;602765]OK, ill bite. why cant Campbell throw more touchdown passes? is it him, or the talent around him? i know, the old chicken and the egg. and i do like you continuing to post these numbers[/quote]

He could easily have a few more if it weren't for some drops

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This is a good win for campbell. Let's hope that the 3rd quarter of that game was the start of campbell's consistency.

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[quote=Buster;602739]UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 4 - 18/28 (64.3%), 141 yds, 2 TD, 0 INTS, 100.4 rating, 8 rush yds
TOTAL: 83/129 (64.3%), 901 yds, 8 TD, 5 INT, 89.3 rating, 22 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 4 - 14/27 (51.9%), 138 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 27.0 rating, 24 rush yds
TOTAL: 63/110 (57.3%), 744 yds, 4 TD, 5 INT, 71.2 rating, 38 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 4 - 12/22 (54.5%), 170 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT, 70.5 rating, 20 rush yds
TOTAL: 81/124 (65.3%), 963 yds, 5 TD, 5 INT, 85.5 rating, 85 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campell (963), Cutler (901), Sanchez (744)
TDs = Cutler (8), Campbell (5), Sanchez (4)
INTs = Campbell/Cutler/Sanchez (5 ea)
QB rating = Cutler (89.3), Campbell (85.5), Sanchez (71.2)
Rush yds = Campbell (85), Sanchez(38), Cutler (22)


Campbell, despite tehe bad half in the TB game, is still leading all three QBs in most categories. All QBs have an equal 5 INTs. He has more yards than Cutler and Sanchez, both in the air and on the ground. If he did not have those couple of TDs dropped earlier in the season, he'd be even with Cutler on TDs and ahead on Rating, the only two categories he's not leading. The 3 INTs vs. TB is not typical Campbell play, as he's usually one of the best QBs in the NFL at NOT throwing INTs. That performance will be an anomaly this season and he'll finish with far less INTs thrown than the other two QBs we're comparing. Also, despite a weak-looking stat line, he led all three QBs in production in Week 4. Against the same Lions team, Cambell had 200 MORE YARDS than Cutler.[/quote]


I am sure the JC haters will totally ignore this..lol. Only way they wont hate is if we win the Suepr Bowl. Then they still might hate..lol. All they will say is he is a horrible QB. He sucks. Blah blah blah. The will totally dismiss stats. I think DS and Vinny created this monster by their offseason antics. Which shoulnd't have happened unless they were absolutely sure tehy were getting one of these QBs which in my opinion are not that much better than Campbell if they are at all. But people will hate JC regardless...

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I kinda like the fact JC struggled but still found a way to make enough plays to help win the game. Stuff like that helps build character and it also helps build trust from his teammates. I know to a lot of fans it was simply a bad day for him, but I think in the locker room he won some new fans yesterday.

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[quote=Mattyk72;602781]I kinda like the fact JC struggled but still found a way to make enough plays to help win the game. Stuff like that helps build character and it also helps build trust from his teammates. I know to a lot of fans it was simply a bad day for him, but I think in the locker room he won some new fans yesterday.[/quote]

Better yet it helps him loosen up and not be afraid to take chances. Like I said earlier, Cutler had the green light to let it fly since day one. JC is just getting the green light instead of managing a game and playing scared Zorn has given him the opportunity to let it rip. This might be what the doctor order. Look for more deep balls next week and a more attacking style...

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[quote=Mattyk72;602781]I kinda like the fact JC struggled but still found a way to make enough plays to help win the game. Stuff like that helps build character and it also helps build trust from his teammates. I know to a lot of fans it was simply a bad day for him, but I think in the locker room he won some new fans yesterday.[/quote]

I loved it...we got a win and that's what matters. So taking the entire game and effort into account I feel better about JC than I did before. Even though he had his worst stats day ever. No one can tell me that what he did yesterday was all bad and the good things were good things we hadn't yet seen from him. It was huge to me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;602781]I kinda like the fact JC struggled but still found a way to make enough plays to help win the game. Stuff like that helps build character and it also helps build trust from his teammates. I know to a lot of fans it was simply a bad day for him, but I think in the locker room he won some new fans yesterday.[/quote]

Exactly, he led by example. He came back even though the game (and the whole season) was going down the drains. Talk about handling pressure. NOW you know that you can trust that he has the ability to lead you out of darkness.

As much as the redskins were down last week, the lowest point in the last few years definitely must have been halftime with this last game with tampa bay. After being beaten by the worst team (lions) in history (in terms of losses), the team is being beaten by another winless team with a new coach and new qb at the half. And there seemed no hope at that point for the game and the season. Then campbell LEADS them back.

Stats and X's and O's are cool to analyze and all that, but this is where the game is at - the heart of the game is the emotions, leaders, and all of that - that some of you seem to disregard as cliche. This is what I was referring to, back in preseason about pressure. You either let it crush you or you use it to motivate yourself and focus at what's important. To me, this is the best game that Campbell's played all season, maybe his whole nfl career up to this point because of the situation and everyone's hopes and emotions that were riding on this one game alone.

I think if the redskins would have lost this game, they would have dug themselves a hole with their emotions and confidence that probably would be have been too deep to come back from.

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[quote=skins89moss;602657]You need to go get a life and go post on the Colts blog. Your opinions dont carry any weight here because you are not a true fan. You are here to just start BS with your meaningless statements. Go root on your Colts and stay the F-away from us real Redskins fans. :Flush:[/quote]

You can't say I'm not a true fan, wanting my team to do good for next year. I want us to do bad so we get a high draft pick, and not a mid round pick,which is what I see us getting.