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[quote=Mattyk72;636544]Sure, anything is a "possibility". :doh:

I hate fuzzy speculation.[/quote]

It is possible that I may participate in a triathlon. LOL.

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[quote=Lotus;636393]I still do not understand why those activities have to happen late at night when there are a month of daytimes to work them out. This leads me to doubt these rumors.[/quote]
Indeed.. and who are the people sitting outside of the park waiting for Danny to leave? Unless someone was clued in by someone who works for the organization

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636516]

To be honest, I would no longer be as upset if Vinny sticks around. His 2008 draft picks all seem to be panning out nicely and he was on the money bringing in Lewis. Of course, if the rumors are true about Vinny bad-mouthing Snyder around the league, he might be gone no matter what.[/quote]
Do we know that Cerrato came up with Lewis though? I mean I guess you can give him credit for saying we have to bring someone in. I have a hunch that Zorn asked Holmgren and Holmgren recommended Lewis; of course I have nothing to base that on, but just a thought.

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How can anything about who the redskins OC and 1st round draft pick be anything but sheer and utter speculation? We don't even know who our HC will be yet? And lets say, for arguments sake, that we do get Weis as OC. How do we know we'd be in a position to draft Clausen?

I think its far more likely that (if Weis doesnt return to New England) Brady Quinn ends up starting wherever Weis lands.

Regarding the 2nd post in the ES thread, i mentioned Vinny's bad-mouthing Snyder in an earlier thread. If Vinny is bad-mouthing Snyder, i see two possibilities:

1. Cerrato is even dumber than I thought, and upon learning that Snyder doesnt intend to keep him around, is bad-mouthing his current boss to his prospective employers - never a smart move.
2. Snyder has something really really really DUMB going on in the works - something so stupid that even Vinny thinks its moronic (Bringing in Pete Carroll and giving him total control maybe?)

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[quote=tryfuhl;636571]Do we know that Cerrato came up with Lewis though? I mean I guess you can give him credit for saying we have to bring someone in. I have a hunch that Zorn asked Holmgren and Holmgren recommended Lewis; of course I have nothing to base that on, but just a thought.[/quote]

I am pretty sure its been reported that it was Cerrato's decision to bring in someone, although in an interview I think it Cerrato let it slip that he didn't even really know who Lewis was... I think its likely that Cerrato asked Blache if he knew anyone who could do the job and Blache recommended Lewis. (Remember, it wouldnt be the first time Cerrato or Snyder had asked Blache to "betray" his boss.)

Zorn definitely was not involved in the process and was opposed to the whole idea of bringing in someone else. I also think we can definitively say that whomever recommended Sherman, it wasnt Holmgren - he's publically bashed the skins for bringing in someone else and embarrassing Zorn in that way.

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[quote=celts32;636545]I don't think Danny could sell Shannahan & Vinny as anything other then more of the same. I like to think us Redskins fans are smarter then that...[/quote]

If Vinny stays with Shanahan on board he'll be a figurehead at best

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[quote=tryfuhl;636571]Do we know that Cerrato came up with Lewis though? I mean I guess you can give him credit for saying we have to bring someone in. I have a hunch that Zorn asked Holmgren and Holmgren recommended Lewis; of course I have nothing to base that on, but just a thought.[/quote]

Mariucci recommended Lewis to Cerrato

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[quote=SmootSmack;636579]If Vinny stays with Shanahan on board he'll be a figurehead at best[/quote]

Hopefully he's turned into a "runner". The guy who gets Shanny coffee and bear claws...makes copies, fetches more TP for the office bathroom.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636572]How can anything about who the redskins OC and 1st round draft pick be anything but sheer and utter speculation? We don't even know who our HC will be yet? And lets say, for arguments sake, that we do get Weis as OC. How do we know we'd be in a position to draft Clausen?

I think its far more likely that (if Weis doesnt return to New England) Brady Quinn ends up starting wherever Weis lands.

Regarding the 2nd post in the ES thread, i mentioned Vinny's bad-mouthing Snyder in an earlier thread. If Vinny is bad-mouthing Snyder, i see two possibilities:

1. Cerrato is even dumber than I thought, and upon learning that Snyder doesnt intend to keep him around, is bad-mouthing his current boss to his prospective employers - never a smart move.
2. Snyder has something really really really DUMB going on in the works - something so stupid that even Vinny thinks its moronic (Bringing in Pete Carroll and giving him total control maybe?)[/quote]

I would probably lean toward #1 if he is bad-mouthing him. Which I don't think he is

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[quote=SmootSmack;636580]Mariucci recommended Lewis to Cerrato[/quote]

Really, now thats interesting. Whats the Cerrato-Mooch connection?

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[quote=tryfuhl;636568]Indeed.. and who are the people sitting outside of the park waiting for Danny to leave? Unless someone was clued in by someone who works for the organization[/quote]

personally, i think the rumor is bogus. Snyder could be staying late at the park to woo his mistress or work on something else. There's simply no reason why he'd be staying late at the park when, if he really wanted to be secretive, he would be making the calls from his home or another location.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636577]I am pretty sure its been reported that it was Cerrato's decision to bring in someone, although in an interview I think it Cerrato let it slip that he didn't even really know who Lewis was... I think its likely that Cerrato asked Blache if he knew anyone who could do the job and Blache recommended Lewis. (Remember, it wouldnt be the first time Cerrato or Snyder had asked Blache to "betray" his boss.)

Zorn definitely was not involved in the process and was opposed to the whole idea of bringing in someone else. I also think we can definitively say that whomever recommended Sherman, it wasnt Holmgren - he's publically bashed the skins for bringing in someone else and embarrassing Zorn in that way.[/quote]
Ahh yeah I wasn't thinking about the Blache connection

I know that when Zorn told Cerrato he was in that they were supposed to figure out who it was going to be.. that's where my speculation comes from

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[quote=SmootSmack;636580]Mariucci recommended Lewis to Cerrato[/quote]
Ahh thanks for that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636587]personally, i think the rumor is bogus. Snyder could be staying late at the park to woo his mistress or work on something else. There's simply no reason why he'd be staying late at the park when, if he really wanted to be secretive, he would be making the calls from his home or another location.[/quote]

Geez, clearly he was waiting for the mobile truck ads to leave. He's so insecure.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636587]personally, i think the rumor is bogus. Snyder could be staying late at the park to woo his mistress or work on something else. There's simply no reason why he'd be staying late at the park when, if he really wanted to be secretive, he would be making the calls from his home or another location.[/quote]
I would've still been there.. passed out from too much whisky

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636584]Really, now thats interesting. Whats the Cerrato-Mooch connection?[/quote]

Bill Walsh...they were both with the 49ers though I can't remember if it was at the same time. Anyway, Mooch made the recommendation that Lewis be the extra set of eyes the Redskins were looking for. Mooch and Lewis I believe were together in Detroit

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636587]personally, i think the rumor is bogus. [B]Snyder could be staying late at the park to woo his mistress [/B]or work on something else. There's simply no reason why he'd be staying late at the park when, if he really wanted to be secretive, he would be making the calls from his home or another location.[/quote]

LOL. Tiger Snyder

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[quote=SmootSmack;636599]LOL. Tiger Snyder[/quote]
Snyger has a bit of a ring to it.

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[quote=tryfuhl;636595]I would've still been there.. passed out from too much whisky[/quote]

Johnny Walker?

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[quote=SmootSmack;636596]Bill Walsh...they were both with the 49ers though I can't remember if it was at the same time. Anyway, Mooch made the recommendation that Lewis be the extra set of eyes the Redskins were looking for. Mooch and Lewis I believe were together in Detroit[/quote]

Hmmm, in that case, I could envision Mooch coming in as HC and keeping Lewis as OC... regardless of whether he wants to leave the west coast, i think Mooch would work anywhere, and for pennies, if he were offered a head coaching position.

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[quote=SmootSmack;636580]Mariucci recommended Lewis to Cerrato[/quote]

Mooch was my personal favorite for the coaching job last year. If they brought him in and got a respectable talent evaluator then I could die happy.

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I think we need a CEO type of HC or a Firey personality.

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[quote=SmootSmack;636596]Bill Walsh...they were both with the 49ers though I can't remember if it was at the same time. Anyway, Mooch made the recommendation that Lewis be the extra set of eyes the Redskins were looking for. Mooch and Lewis I believe were together in Detroit[/quote]

Vinny joined the 49ers in 1991 and got promoted to player personnel director in 1995 one year before John McVay retired from the 49ers in 1996. He was there during the Seifert era. Lewis and Vinny might not have been together since Lewis left for GB in 1992 or maybe were together for just a few months.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636619]Hmmm, in that case, I could envision Mooch coming in as HC and keeping Lewis as OC... regardless of whether he wants to leave the west coast, i think Mooch would work anywhere, and for pennies, if he were offered a head coaching position.[/quote]

Um, I thought Mooch was offered the job just after Zorn was picked up as OC and Mooch said "no thanks". Basically said he was taking his name out of contention. Maybe it was because of the shell game Cerrato was playing forcing an OC on someone but still he refused the job. I also don't think he would handle Snyder very well or our prima dona's. We need some one who is a disciplinarian. Someone strong willed. Definitly not a players type HC who will simpathize and coddle our players.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;636626]Vinny joined the 49ers in 1991 and got promoted to player personnel director in 1995 one year before John McVay retired from the 49ers in 1996. He was there during the Seifert era. Lewis and Vinny might not have been together since Lewis left for GB in 1992 or maybe were together for just a few months.[/quote]

I maybe reading your post wrong. But I thought ...while VC was personnel director or GM, Mooch was the HC. So there is a tie there.

Mooch supposedly had Lewis in Detroit with him.

So when VC finally decided his ass was on the line and felt he should get an extra pair of eyes I presume he called Mooch who thought of Lewis who was available.

See all tied up in a pretty little box with a bow. :) Merry X-mas.

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[quote=SBXVII;636682]Um, I thought Mooch was offered the job just after Zorn was picked up as OC and Mooch said "no thanks". Basically said he was taking his name out of contention. Maybe it was because of the shell game Cerrato was playing forcing an OC on someone but still he refused the job. I also don't think he would handle Snyder very well or our prima dona's. We need some one who is a disciplinarian. Someone strong willed. Definitly not a players type HC who will simpathize and coddle our players.[/quote]

I don't remember Mooch being offered the job (or even interviewing for it), but i suppose its possible. No one with any sense would coach a team that had already picked its entire coaching staff. The exception would be Fassel, who reportedly recommended Zorn as OC. (And as much as I dislike Fassel, i have no doubts that this team would be in a better position than it is now if he had been hired.) Anyway, I'd think Mooch would go anywhere if he hiring process was "normal" and he'd get to pick his own staff.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636587]personally, [B]i think the rumor is bogus[/B]. Snyder could be staying late at the park to woo his mistress or work on something else. There's simply no reason why he'd be staying late at the park when, if he really wanted to be secretive, he would be making the calls from his home or another location.[/quote]

I threw it out there cause it was being discussed yesterday on the radio. DS may have been calling all the PKers to make sure they could come in or making plane arrangements for them. Who knows.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636688]I don't remember Mooch being offered the job (or even interviewing for it), but i suppose its possible. No one with any sense would coach a team that had already picked its entire coaching staff. The exception would be Fassel, who reportedly recommended Zorn as OC. (And as much as I dislike Fassel, i have no doubts that this team would be in a better position than it is now if he had been hired.) Anyway, I'd think Mooch would go anywhere if he hiring process was "normal" and he'd get to pick his own staff.[/quote]

I was pretty sure Mooch was brought in for an interview or pulled his name out of the hat prior to. No he was not offered the job. Several people were lined up for interviews and I think he was one of them.

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the dcsportsbog tweeted:
Zorn, on if bringing in Sherm Lewis was a good move: "That's a bad question, sorry. I wouldn't answer that question."

I would like to know the context of the question, and who asked, but man that's gotta be like twisting a knife in Zorn's back. He certainly could have answered with a plain, we have put up more points type answer. And I don't see how it's a "bad question"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;636703]the dcsportsbog tweeted:
Zorn, on if bringing in Sherm Lewis was a good move: "That's a bad question, sorry. I wouldn't answer that question."

I would like to know the context of the question, and who asked, but man that's gotta be like twisting a knife in Zorn's back. He certainly could have answered with a plain, we have put up more points type answer. And I don't see how it's a "bad question"[/quote]

kevin sheehan asked it on the jim zorn show today on espn980 - honestly, there was really not context to it. I was only half-paying attention because it was pretty boring, but i'm pretty sure kevin just asked the question and zorn didnt answer. Honestly, how could he? he'd either 1) be lying, or 2) admitting he sucks at his job.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636709]kevin sheehan asked it on the jim zorn show today on espn980 - honestly, there was really not context to it. I was only half-paying attention because it was pretty boring, but i'm pretty sure kevin just asked the question and zorn didnt answer. Honestly, how could he? he'd either 1) be lying, or 2) admitting he sucks at his job.[/quote]

That's fine, but I don't see that saying it is a stupid question is an appropriate response. It is a fair question to ask what his thoughts on it are, and if he wants to be the "straight shooter" that he was at the beginning, he could come out and say if he has learned anything over the last weeks that makes him a better HC going forward. There is nothing wrong with giving Lewis props, he was a very good coach in his time, and dismissing the question was not any better of a choice than 1) or 2) Just easier

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I'm pretty sure Zorn believes the difference has been execution, not playcalling. I'm not saying he's right, but I think that's what he believes. He mentioned after the game the exact same play getting different results, once when he called it, once when Lewis called it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636709]kevin sheehan asked it on the jim zorn show today on espn980 - honestly, there was really not context to it. I was only half-paying attention because it was pretty boring, but i'm pretty sure kevin just asked the question and zorn didnt answer. Honestly, how could he? he'd either 1) be lying, or [B]2) admitting he sucks at his job[/B].[/quote]

I take curtain #2, Bob.

Which is why I have no idea why people still want to keep him around for "continuity"?

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[quote=SBXVII;636701]I was pretty sure Mooch was brought in for an interview or pulled his name out of the hat prior to. No he was not offered the job. Several people were lined up for interviews and I think he was one of them.[/quote]

Mariucci and Cerrato I believe are pretty tight...but anyway Mooch basically threw himself at the Redskins to interview with them for the Redskins job. Not so much to take the job (because he's really not interested in leaving the West Coast) but to stay relevant when it comes to talking about head coaches.

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[quote=SBXVII;636701]I was pretty sure Mooch was brought in for an interview or pulled his name out of the hat prior to. No he was not offered the job. Several people were lined up for interviews and I think he was one of them.[/quote]

yeah i remember that. i think he was down in AZ for the superbowl doing tv network stuff and he was approached by the skins. of course we were approaching everybody then, which is understandable when your trying to put together a field of potential HCs.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;636703]the dcsportsbog tweeted:
Zorn, on if bringing in Sherm Lewis was a good move: "That's a bad question, sorry. I wouldn't answer that question."

I would like to know the context of the question, and who asked, but man that's gotta be like twisting a knife in Zorn's back. He certainly could have answered with a plain, we have put up more points type answer. And I don't see how it's a "bad question"[/quote]

And let me backtrack on the play-calling. I feel really good about how Sherm Lewis is performing. If we’re all responsible for certain issues and certain things, he’s doing a wonderful job. I evade those questions because it has to do with me as well. But I don’t have any negative thoughts or anything about how he’s working our program. It’s going very well with the way it’s organized.”

[url]http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Zorn-show-highlights-78785212.html[/url]

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Thanks SS, He also said:
On if he’s learned anything from watching Lewis call plays: “It’s his mix."

I went off the Tweet, should have read the whole article.

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Still, its good to know that Zorn realizes he sucks. He certainly has no place on this team in 2010 and it looks like he knows it.

[QUOTE]Shaun has performed very well. I'm sure when I talk to him ... I know he'll just be, you know, upset, and he should be. But then yet there's an accountability there. [I]We'll all end up being accountable for our season.[/I] No question about it.[/QUOTE]

However, with each passing game, i'm becoming more and more comfortable with the idea of Campbell as QB and Sherm Lewis as OC next year (as a backup plan, of course).

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does anyone really know if Lewis wants to get back to a full time job?

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Is Blache going to come back? Or will we be looking for a DC also?