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[quote=firstdown;708023]I guess you felt the same way when Bush was getting pounded by the press for his response to Katrina. Ok, I know your answer. Bush did not respond quick enough etc........[/quote]

Honestly, in hindsight Bush caught a lot of undeserved flak for what was an incredible disaster. Much like the crisis now though, the wheels of disaster were turning long before either one took office. The levees were a known issue and the gov't was well aware it was only a matter of time before a disaster of that magnitude happened. Was the response under Bush ideal? Of course not. Was it his fault? Not really. But of course as President he was going to take the heat, just like Obama is now.

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[quote=Mattyk;708014]No, I didn't miss it. He needed the bull horn to make it legit.

The press is on him because it's a story, right or wrong they are going to blow it up because it's a good headline. [B]The press making a story out of something really doesn't speak to the matter very much to me.[/B][/quote]

Well, usually I feel the same way. I think in this case however, he does deserve some criticism about his response and the whole golfing/baseball game thing. Of course, I hope he succeeds with his efforts at getting the well plugged and helping all the poor families and businesses getting crushed by this thing.

All the news reports and pictures are so upsetting.

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[quote=GMScud;707957]Read my previous post about how I think Obama should be spending his leisure time. I never said he had to spend 100% of every day working, or even working on BP for that matter.

Also, if they are going to blast Heyward, they shouldn't be such staunch defenders of Obama's golf game. Just don't say anything about Heyward if Obama is going to be at baseball games and golfing.

I think Heyward is a douche, and I don't condone either one of them conducting such public leisure with this crisis going on.[/quote]

there's quite a bit of difference between Obama and Heyward in this

it'd be one thing if they were both heads of BP and one of them was absent from the job.. I mean unless you want Obama to pick up a pen and play legislator for a bit I'm not sure what his golf outing really changes

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[quote=firstdown;708021]He probably has not spent 6 hours on it in a given week/month. Thats the problem.[/quote]

Oh you've been there, cool. Strange since he employs you that you hate him so much.

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[quote=firstdown;708023]I guess you felt the same way when Bush was getting pounded by the press for his response to Katrina. Ok, I know your answer. Bush did not respond quick enough etc........[/quote]
Link to post?

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[quote=Mattyk;708031]Honestly, in hindsight Bush caught a lot of undeserved flak for what was an incredible disaster. Much like the crisis now though, the wheels of disaster were turning long before either one took office. The levees were a known issue and the gov't was well aware it was only a matter of time before a disaster of that magnitude happened. Was the response under Bush ideal? Of course not. Was it his fault? Not really. But of course as President he was going to take the heat, just like Obama is now.[/quote]

Indeed.. the president can't change policy and get all of the agencies rolled out in 2 hours or anything. I mean it takes weeks to prepare for the Super Bowl or Grammy's and it's known well in advance when they're coming up. I don't blame the response on Bush for the most part.

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[quote=tryfuhl;708093]there's quite a bit of difference between Obama and Heyward in this

it'd be one thing if they were both heads of BP and one of them was absent from the job.. [B]I mean unless you want Obama to pick up a pen and play legislator for a bit I'm not sure what his golf outing really changes[/B][/quote]

OMG. I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall. His golf outing doesn't change a thing as far as getting the leak plugged, obviously. What is does do however, is anger and worry a lot of people on the gulf coasts who have been devastated by this. It's poor timing by the president to be out in public enjoying himself eating hot dogs at baseball games and hitting the links. Again, I have no issue with him enjoying some free time. Just keep it in private for now. That is all.

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[quote=GMScud;708104][B]OMG. I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall. [/B]His golf outing doesn't change a thing as far as getting the leak plugged, obviously. What is does do however, is anger and worry a lot of people on the gulf coasts who have been devastated by this. It's poor timing by the president to be out in public enjoying himself eating hot dogs at baseball games and hitting the links. Again, I have no issue with him enjoying some free time. Just keep it in private for now. That is all.[/quote]

hahaha, I'm just preparing you for your marriage man

hard to play golf in private when you're the president.. I mean I guess he could go to Camp David and hang out there.. but he only went for a round, not a week or anything

I'm not really sure who's that angered by it unless it just piled onto the frustrations of those already upset.. the straw that broke the camel's back if you will

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I mean I don't mind so much saying it's frustrating seeing him enjoying himself but to parallel that to "I want my life back" Heyward seems unfair. Yeah Heyward, the people working on the recovery effort want their lives back, the people in the region and affected by it want their lives back, etc. Maybe your time in FL makes you feel stronger about the issue with the President than maybe myself?

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Well just in Iran has offered to help Obama with the oil spill saying its a humanitarian effort. Will it be a hoot if Obama accepts thier help after turning down so many other offers for help.

Also a federal judge said that the other offshore rigs can start drilling again and lifted Obama's 6 month ban on drilling.

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this is probably why he isnt living at the diaster





"Also, did you see, President Obama is being criticized for what he had on. When he was standing at the shoreline there, he had on fancy pants and a fancy shirt. Look, what other critics are saying, is that 80% of public perception is image. Not what you say. And he should have had on, like what Thad Allen has on next to him. Something that looked like he was a little bit more at the scene."
Obama has also been called out for his footwear, donning sneakers instead of shrimp boots to visit the gulf coast. What do you think? What should the President wear to an oil spill?
taken from fox news
and to compare the 2 diasters is crazy. Katrina demanded a quicker response because lives were at stake. he NEEDED to be faster.

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[quote=dmek25;708162]this is probably why he isnt living at the diaster





"Also, did you see, President Obama is being criticized for what he had on. When he was standing at the shoreline there, he had on fancy pants and a fancy shirt. Look, what other critics are saying, is that 80% of public perception is image. Not what you say. And he should have had on, like what Thad Allen has on next to him. Something that looked like he was a little bit more at the scene."
Obama has also been called out for his footwear, donning sneakers instead of shrimp boots to visit the gulf coast. What do you think? What should the President wear to an oil spill?
taken from fox news
and to compare the 2 diasters is crazy. Katrina demanded a quicker response because lives were at stake. he NEEDED to be faster.[/quote]

OH so lives are not at stake here. Tell that to the people who are slowly loosing their lives.

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i never said that lives aren't at stake. but during the Katrina disaster, the response time had to be immediate, because people were literally drowning. and that's why W was hammered. that, and the fact he had an unqualified friend running FEMA

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[quote=dmek25;708212]i never said that lives aren't at stake. but during the Katrina disaster, the response time had to be immediate, because people were literally drowning. and that's why W was hammered. that, and the fact he had an unqualified friend running FEMA[/quote]

You actually watch FOX news? :Flush:

Katerina = Mother Nature.

Oil Spill = Man made disaster.

Jorge Bush = Jackasss Puppet

President Hussein = Jackass Puppet that gives a good speech.

BP did this on purpose so they can get their cap-and-tax legislation through. Open your eyes. It's a lie!

I wonder if the marine life in the gulf like all that change. Can we oil up the gulf to get our climate change legislation through? Yes we can!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708234]You actually watch FOX news? :Flush:

[/quote]

i need a laugh every now and then :)
but honestly, from time to time i do watch. i like to see what the other side is thinking( or not thinking)

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[quote=dmek25;708243]i need a laugh every now and then :)
but honestly, from time to time i do watch. i like to see what the other side is thinking( or not thinking)[/quote]

There is no other side.

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[quote=dmek25;708212]i never said that lives aren't at stake. but during the Katrina disaster, the response time had to be immediate, because people were literally drowning. and that's why W was hammered. that, and the fact he had an unqualified friend running FEMA[/quote]
Bush had Admin. official in La. 3 days proir to Hurricane Katrina [URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477162/posts"]Gov. Kathleen Blanco: No State of Emergency[/URL] The Dumbocrat Gov. REFUSED the Nat Guard and refused to order an emergency Evacuation , not the power of the Fed . Gov't . [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9613133/"]How much blame does Gov. Blanco deserve? - NBC News Investigates- msnbc.com[/URL] Gov praying we will be fine , we need no evacuation ..... smart move Gov = FAIL .[url=http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Controversy_over_whether_New_Orleans_Mayor_failed_to_follow_hurricane_plan]Controversy over whether New Orleans Mayor failed to follow hurricane plan - Wikinews, the free news source[/url] By the way , how many days did this Admin. take until it had officials in the gulf ... care to guess .

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708249]There is no other side.[/quote]
WHAT ..... there is no ......... DARK SIDE , no Darth Vader ?????

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budw38, by your logic, this mess is a result of Republican Gov. Jindal?

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[quote=dmek25;708288]budw38, by your logic, this mess is a result of Republican Gov. Jindal?[/quote]

How'd you come to that conclusion?

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[quote=dmek25;708288]budw38, by your logic, this mess is a result of Republican Gov. Jindal?[/quote]
Dude , I love you like my bother , but what are you talking about ? I have not blamed any politician for either Hurricane K. or the BP oil disaster , however , in response to your earlier post , the Bush Admin. did attempt to get the Gov. < Blanco > to order an evacuation , which she refused < I provided links above >. As far as this Admin. I have never been critical of the handling of the BP mess . We can water board the CEO of BP and I would support that 100 % .

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708234]

I wonder if the marine life in the gulf like all that change. Can we oil up the gulf to get our climate change legislation through? Yes we can![/quote]

[IMG]http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/tinfoil-hat-2.jpg[/IMG]

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Anyone who thinks this problem couldn't be solved in 24 hours isn't using the brain power that God gave a shrew. They can fix a satellite going around the Earth at a million miles an hour, yet they can't remove a coupler and place a new one on? How do you think the astronauts train to fix satellites in space?

No one is this incompetent! This is being done on purpose. If you can't see that, we'll I don't know? Go drink a beer and watch the world cup with the rest of the sheeple. Either that or I'm sure there's a new episode of American Idolatry or Real Skanks of New Jersey on tonight?

I thought Washington fans were more educated than the average fan?

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I think we're getting dangerously close to being all stocked up on crazy round here.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708461]Anyone who thinks this problem couldn't be solved in 24 hours isn't using the brain power that God gave a shrew. They can fix a satellite going around the Earth at a million miles an hour, yet they can't remove a coupler and place a new one on? How do you think the astronauts train to fix satellites in space?

No one is this incompetent! This is being done on purpose. If you can't see that, we'll I don't know? Go drink a beer and watch the world cup with the rest of the sheeple. Either that or I'm sure there's a new episode of American Idolatry or Real Skanks of New Jersey on tonight?

I thought Washington fans were more educated than the average fan?[/quote]


Woo, woo, wo. Are you from Varina or do you live off Three Chopt? Are you a West Ender?

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[quote=Mattyk;708468]I think we're getting dangerously close to being all stocked up on crazy round here.[/quote]

Look, take away the aspect that there might be an agenda behind this.

It's very simple.

Basic Plumbing 101:

1. Unscrew the bolts holding the couplers together.

2. Take off the damaged pipe.

3. Have another pipe with a relief valve on it and the bolts pre-welded in ready. Make sure the relief valve is open so the pressure from the oil will not blow off the new pipe.

4. Bolt on the new pipe.

5. Close the relief valve.

Problem solved.

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[quote=mlmpetert;708473]Woo, woo, wo. Are you from Varina or do you live off Three Chopt? Are you a West Ender?[/quote]

From Varina, moved to Three Chopt. I'm East End through and through, there's just more to do out here.

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You need to get down there and help out. It's amazing they haven't thought of that yet.

Somewhere Rush is applauding you.

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[quote=Mattyk;708480]You need to get down there and help out. It's amazing they haven't thought of that yet.[/quote]

Well I tried Matty. If you can't see how simple it really is then . . . Well what can I say? Do you like your fish with 10W40 or 30?

I don't listen to Republicrat hacks.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708482]Well I tried Matty. If you can't see how simple it really is then . . . Well what can I say? Do you like your fish with 10W40 or 30?

I don't listen to Republicrat hacks.[/quote]

You should start an oil spill cleanup company...maybe your slogan can be "Simple Solution from a Simple Man?"

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[quote=saden1;708490]You should start an oil spill cleanup company...maybe your slogan can be "Simple Solution from a Simple Man?"[/quote]

Poor thing! You're like the guy from NASA who I built a house for. He was a genius when it came to engineering, but the poor bastard couldn't even change his tire. I'm sure a double dose of quantitative easing would fix the oil leak.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708493]Poor thing! You're like the guy from NASA who I built a house for. He was a genius when it came to engineering, but the poor bastard couldn't even change his tire. I'm sure a double dose of [B]quantitative easing[/B] would fix the oil leak.[/quote]

So does the NASA guy also dabble in monetary policy?

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[quote=Mattyk;708496]So does the NASA guy also dabble in monetary policy?[/quote]

No I was being sarcastic. Sodded knows what I'm talking about.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708493]Poor thing! You're like the guy from NASA who I built a house for. He was a genius when it came to engineering, but the poor bastard couldn't even change his tire. [B]I'm sure a double dose of quantitative easing would fix the oil leak[/B].[/quote]


[URL="http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/fed's-next-move-is-to-ease-not-tighten-says-michael-pento-507768.html?tickers=gld,tlt,%5Egspc,TIP,%5Edji,spy,qqqq&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode"]fed's next move is to ease not tighten says michael pento: Tech Ticker, Yahoo! Finance[/URL]=


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I cant believe you are posh West Ender. I live in the South Side now, but since moving to Richmond ive lived in the fan until about a year and 1/2 ago. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I hate nothing more than trying to sweat a pipe so i can somewhat sympathizes with the current fix attempts. So I look at it like its hard for me attempt dyi plumbing since I have extremely limited experience. I don’t think anyone has expertise in [I]fixing[/I] a underwater ocean well, so its hard for anyone working in those conditions. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But in writing this I just realized what has saved me countless hours and headache/heartache:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.sharkbite.com/"][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.sharkbite.com/[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Honestly, why cant they make one of these suckers as a temporary quick fix while drilling the relief well?[/FONT][/SIZE]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708500]No I was being sarcastic. Sodded knows what I'm talking about.[/quote]

If you knew 10% of what you talk about the world would be a better place...still, you're an amusing jester. Clown on TTL, clown on. Bravo! :thumb:

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[quote=mlmpetert;708505][URL="http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/fed's-next-move-is-to-ease-not-tighten-says-michael-pento-507768.html?tickers=gld,tlt,%5Egspc,TIP,%5Edji,spy,qqqq&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode"]fed's next move is to ease not tighten says michael pento: Tech Ticker, Yahoo! Finance[/URL]=


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I cant believe you are posh West Ender. I live in the South Side now, but since moving to Richmond ive lived in the fan until about a year and 1/2 ago. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I hate nothing more than trying to sweat a pipe so i can somewhat sympathizes with the current fix attempts. So I look at it like its hard for me attempt dyi plumbing since I have extremely limited experience. I don’t think anyone has expertise in [I]fixing[/I] a underwater ocean well, so its hard for anyone working in those conditions. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But in writing this I just realized what has saved me countless hours and headache/heartache:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.sharkbite.com/"][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.sharkbite.com/[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Honestly, why cant they make one of these suckers as a temporary quick fix while drilling the relief well?[/FONT][/SIZE][/quote]

Posh West Ender? I've only been over here for a month? I turn into a yuppy that quick huh? I can understand you saying that.

We don't cross the river unless we have too.

Dude there's no sweating involved. It's still got an intact coupler! I'm sure they've robots that can turn a wrench and hold a pipe at the same time.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708493]Poor thing! You're like the guy from NASA who I built a house for. He was a genius when it came to engineering, but the poor bastard couldn't even change his tire. I'm sure a double dose of quantitative easing would fix the oil leak.[/quote]

Ahh you're one of those "he's never worked hard in his life" guys?

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[quote=tryfuhl;708512]Ahh you're one of those "he's never worked hard in his life" guys?[/quote]

No I work in a bank now. How do you think I have time to post?

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I wanted to share with y'all a conversation I had at work today.

Me: Those idiots took the cap off and now more oil is spilling out.

Teka: I don't see how more oil could be coming out? It was already coming out fast as shit.

Me: They don't want to fix it. If they did it would've been done. They're doing this on purpose.

Teka: No they can't fix it!

Me: Teka the coupler is still on the pipe.

Vander: Whoa Whoa Whoa! Hold up cuz. Say that again.

Me: The coupler is still on the pipe.

Vander: Hold up cuz (He gets a picture of the pipe off the Net and shakes his head) Man that's an easy fix! I thought it was a hole on the bottom. All they have to do is take off the bolts and put on a new pipe.

Teka: Na uh! That oil will blow off that pipe.

Vander: Well you make sure the valve is open and it will go strait threw the new pipe. They can pump the water and oil out of the area while they're doing it too to cut the pressure down. (I hadn't thought of that. You can also pump it strait threw the new pipe as your fastening it. This would be best because it would create suction.)

Teka: Yeah but it's so far down there they can't get to it.

Eddie: Well they got robots. How do you think we're getting those pictures?

Me: They think we're stupid!

Vander: Yup!

Teka: Well y'all need to go down there and show BP cause they don't know what the Eff they're doing.

Vander is a liberal, a Cowboys fan, and isn't prone to agree with me just because we work together. We're not rocket scientists, just two regular dudes that know how to use a socket wrench.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708476]Look, take away the aspect that there might be an agenda behind this.

It's very simple.

Basic Plumbing 101:

1. Unscrew the bolts holding the couplers together.

2. Take off the damaged pipe.

3. Have another pipe with a relief valve on it and the bolts pre-welded in ready. Make sure the relief valve is open so the pressure from the oil will not blow off the new pipe.

4. Bolt on the new pipe.

5. Close the relief valve.

Problem solved.[/quote]

Only problem, that's one big ass reservoir of oil. For all we know we may have tapped into the an infinite reservoir of oil beneath the oceans. We don't know. It's obvious when you have a huge body of liquid under the pressure of the earth's crust squeezing the oil out. The oil is not flowing out it is under pressure so a valve will not be strong enough. We have to match that pressure to stop the flow. I don't think the relief well will work either. This is biblical.