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[quote=Bushead;733803]Obviously, we have no idea what is said between them, but do you remember that shot of the sideline when Haynesworth was 20 feet away from the defense? It looked liked all starters and some backups were surrounding haslett trying to understand things when they had time and Haynesworth wasn't anywhere near it. [/quote]

You mean the shot where Haslett was meeting with just the LBs and DBs and not the D-Lineman? (if you doubt this, listen to London Fletcher's interview in DC101)

I'm sorry, not trying to defend Haynesworth or anything, but some people need to stop biting the dangling carrot that the TMZ-line sports media puts on regarding this situation.

I'm not saying that everything is fine and dandy, or that Haynesworth is not to blame for this, etc., etc., etc., but keep in mind that whatever the situation is the media is going to make it seem to be 100 times worst.

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[quote=over the mountain;733806]thats what im interested to know. unless haslett or someone else with knowledge of the scheme speaks out, i think the fact that they left him in there is circumstantial evidence that shooting gaps was his job description.

of course, general duties of a NT is to take on blockers and not try and shoot past the center and guard.

i really wanna know the answer.[/quote]

In my limited knowledge, a good NT is hardly noticeable in the game, if you are talking about being a pass rusher. I think this is where the fit comes into questions regarding AH. People say, yeah he should play or learn to play or whatever, but you also have to put your feelings aside and look at this situation from a football standpoint. Haynesworth doesn't fit in our scheme period. We all see how terrible Laron Landry was playing FS last year, and I think this is a similar situation. Throw on top of that attitude issues and disagreements between a player and a team (which happen all the time).

Personally, putting AH in the 3-4 is like putting a big fat square peg into a round hole. Now the team needs to figure out how to trade him, and that won't happen until a team becomes desperate. Because right now, we don't see to have the upper hand in any trade negotiation.

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IMO Haynesworth would make a *terrible* 3-4 DE. He doesn't want to be responsible for 2 gaps. Period the end. Therefore, there is no place for him on a 3 man line. Funny thing is, there are plenty of 4 man fronts, but Haynesworth doesn't want to compromise at all. He's not willing to sacrifice *anything* for the team. A 3-4 lineman must be selfless. That is beyond Haynesworth's capabilities.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733822]IMO Haynesworth would make a *terrible* 3-4 DE. He doesn't want to be responsible for 2 gaps. Period the end. Therefore, there is no place for him on a 3 man line. Funny thing is, there are plenty of 4 man fronts, but Haynesworth doesn't want to compromise at all. He's not willing to sacrifice *anything* for the team. A 3-4 lineman must be selfless. That is beyond Haynesworth's capabilities.[/quote]

See this is where I wish people think about scheme rather than put their feelings about the guy into the discussion. Yes, we know he's a shithead, a big baby, a pouty fat ass that doesn't get with the program. But it's also a scheme issue.

Larron Landry was a terrible FS, and it was mostly because of scheme. Yes his personality may have some effect, but it's all about scheme. And maybe if AH put some effort into it, he'd be an [U]average[/U] 3-4 D-lineman. If you read Tripp's analysis (if I understood correctly) both AH and Golston had issues in their gap responsibilities. AH doesn't fit our 3-4 scheme just as Landry didn't fit the FS position. And the team just needs to get rid of him.

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I'd like to clarify something here.

People think Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to him, and they claim that the ego of Mike Shanhan is the problem, and not Haynesworth.

I see it differently: Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to the TEAM.

Hell, I believe even Shanahan submits to the team. I don't see him as some dominatrix. I see him as somebody who is committed to the team above all else, and Haynesworth is a guy who is committed only to himself -- above all else. How in the world can anyone defend this behavior, and suggest that we'd be better off with such a player on the field?

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733828]I'd like to clarify something here.

People think Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to him, and they claim that the ego of Mike Shanhan is the problem, and [B]not Haynesworth[/B].

I see it differently: Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to the TEAM.

Hell, I believe even Shanahan submits to the team. I don't see him as some dominatrix. I see him as somebody who is committed to the team above all else, and Haynesworth is a guy who is committed only to himself -- above all else. How in the world can anyone defend this behavior, and suggest that we'd be better off with such a player on the field?[/quote]

I highly doubt that anyone here thinks that Haynesworth is not a problem. Everything could have been avoided if he did the right things. I just don't think he wouldn't be a good player period in the 3-4 scheme or worth the ton of money that stupid Vinny gave him.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733828]I'd like to clarify something here.

People think Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to him, and they claim that the ego of Mike Shanhan is the problem, and not Haynesworth.

I see it differently: Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to the TEAM.

Hell, I believe even Shanahan submits to the team. I don't see him as some dominatrix. I see him as somebody who is committed to the team above all else, and Haynesworth is a guy who is committed only to himself -- above all else. How in the world can anyone defend this behavior, and suggest that we'd be better off with such a player on the field?[/quote]

Because all the greats have ego issue's. I believe there was an interview with McNabb prior to season starting and he told the Philli news that he was not going to be a back up to no one, which is why he wanted to be traded. All the great players have this problem. Heck I'm waiting for Chad Johnson (Ocho...) to blow his top at some point either him or T.O. screaming that they aren't getting enough balls.

I agree with you though, I too see it as Shanahan trying to make Haynesworth think "team first" vs. "me first". All AH had to do was show up in the off season work out play the games, practice and let his play show he was not a fit in the system and most likely the team would have traded him. Instead AH sits out OTA's, grumbles about how the system is not for him, shows up and can't complete the test, practices half ass, gets mad cause he's not on the starting lineup, and to be honest ... maybe it is the scheme, maybe he's supposed to get up from his 3 point stance and grab the OL and just stand there taking up space in case a RB tries to squeek through. It's either that or he's not getting a good push from the get go. Which means he can't play NT.

I still say try him on the DE spot and if he doesn't work out sit him until another team is desperate enough to need him in their 4-3 scheme and we can get our value for him. The only thing giving him away accomplishes is the team doesn't have to see him in the locker room complaining. If he's such a dominating force to be reconed with then I would not just give him away. Especially after giving him 21 mill for which he refuses to return.

As far as I care he can ride the bench all yr. If I was Shanahan I'd have him warming the bench each game and when the media (you them, the ones keeping this saga going) asked about AH I'd say...."you need to ask him." AH thought he was swift in telling the media ... "go talk to the team about my injury." BS Haynesworth, you knew the team couldn't disclose your medical problems. If he really wanted the info out there he would have simply said what the problem was and let the media go to the coaching staff and confirm. Instead he tries to pull a fast one by not having to answer the media's question and the team not being allowed to tell the media keeps the spin going.

Nope, keep him on the bench. So each and every game the owner, GM, HC, players, and fans can all see what 21 mill bought us. Then trade him next yr, see how he likes not playing the whole yr.... maybe the 21 mill would be returned faster.

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Any of the Jets talk might as well be sealed, they just signed Howard Green, yep.. him

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[quote=tryfuhl;733954]Any of the Jets talk might as well be sealed, they just signed Howard Green, yep.. him[/quote]

Am I on your [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/733723-post544.html]ignore list[/url]?

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Fat boy has a torn hang nail that might keep him out this week not like it means two shits...next problem would be blister on his thumb? The guys a world class BUM!

Updated: September 15, 2010, 5:14 PM ET
Albert Haynesworth hobbled by ankle

Associated Press

ASHBURN, Va. -- Albert Haynesworth was limited in practice Wednesday with an ankle injury, another setback for the Washington Redskins defensive lineman.


Haynesworth's participation was revealed when the team issued its injury report, long after practice had concluded. Coach Mike Shanahan did not mention Haynesworth's injury in his post-practice remarks.

Haynesworth saw limited action as a backup in the Redskins' season-opening win Sunday after months of disagreements with Shanahan over offseason workouts, practices and preseason playing time.

Safety Kareem Moore remains unable to practice with a sprained right knee. Backup linebacker Perry Riley was limited with a sprained right foot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;733971]Am I on your [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/733723-post544.html]ignore list[/url]?[/quote]

No, it won't let me because you're staff.

j/k

I just didn't notice.. I always just view the last page in this clusterscrew of a thread

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733822]IMO Haynesworth would make a *terrible* 3-4 DE. He doesn't want to be responsible for 2 gaps. Period the end. Therefore, there is no place for him on a 3 man line. Funny thing is, there are plenty of 4 man fronts, but Haynesworth doesn't want to compromise at all. He's not willing to sacrifice *anything* for the team. A 3-4 lineman must be selfless. That is beyond Haynesworth's capabilities.[/quote]

Well the thing is it depends on what you're doing with the 3-4 front. Some coaches like to have players responsible for two gaps while others like to have their guys shoot the gaps. Personally I think Haslet like's both, but considering the fact that we have two undersized ILB's starting our team is forced to play a little more two gap.

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Yeah, it definitely changes from play to play, but you've gotta have an end who is willing and able to do both.

With AH at end, always shooting the B gap, you'd have to keep a LB responsible for the C gap on every play, which kinda defeats the purpose of the 3-4 IMO. In the end, you have to have linemen that will play 2 gap when needed, and AH won't, so moving him to DE doesn't help the situation.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733828]I'd like to clarify something here.

People think Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to him, and they claim that the ego of Mike Shanhan is the problem, and not Haynesworth.

I see it differently: Shanahan wants Haynesworth to submit to the TEAM.

Hell, I believe even Shanahan submits to the team. I don't see him as some dominatrix. I see him as somebody who is committed to the team above all else, and Haynesworth is a guy who is committed only to himself -- above all else. How in the world can anyone defend this behavior, and suggest that we'd be better off with such a player on the field?[/quote]

Ummmm, this is where I think you are Wrong. Mike Shanahan is a dominatrix.


I dont know about you all, but every time I think of Mike Shanahan, i picture him in leathers and chains with a whip and a racquetball mouthpiece in his left hand.

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^^^can you say issues???

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;733278]WTF! Your a bust.[/quote]


<Yawn>

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[quote=The Goat;733064]LOL been waiting for something like this. OMG OMG everyone Landry is headed to the Probowl!!! LMAO.

He's better @ SS than we was at FS. Super![/quote]

I never said he was going to the Pro Bowl. I just said it was ridiculous to call him a bust especially since he is by far our best safety and has been by a wide margin since we lost ST.

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Landry was so freakin bad last year, but it's quite possible that the switch to SS is all that he needs to become a very good player.

He has no ability to read the quarterback and he can't comprehend angles of intercept so you just can't allow him to play deep.

He plays the run very well and he is the fastest safety in the entire league so just keep him as close to the line of scrimmage at all times to protect him from himself. Never allow him to actually think. Ever.

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[quote=tryfuhl;733954]Any of the Jets talk might as well be sealed, they just signed Howard Green, yep.. him[/quote]

I have been wondering why we let Howard Green go. He played in almost every game last year (as a role player) for the best defense in the NFL last year but was beaten out by Kemo (who is terrible) and Bryant who can't be that good if he hasn't beaten out Kemo.

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[quote=wilsowilso;734011]Landry was so freakin bad last year, but it's quite possible that the switch to SS is all that he needs to become a very good player.

He has no ability to read the quarterback and he can't comprehend angles of intercept so you just can't allow him to play deep.

He plays the run very well and he is the fastest safety in the entire league so just keep him as close to the line of scrimmage at all times to protect him from himself. Never allow him to actually think. Ever.[/quote]

It's really easy to take a bad angle in the open field when you're running in from 25-30 yards off of the LOS and the guy you're targeting and yourself are approaching full speed or already there, especially when there's lateral movement as well. Not to say he played to potential last year, but a large portion of what we saw vs Dallas was due to proximity.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;734012]I have been wondering why we let Howard Green go. He played in almost every game last year (as a role player) for the best defense in the NFL last year but was beaten out by Kemo (who is terrible) and Bryant who can't be that good if he hasn't beaten out Kemo.[/quote]

I haven't gone back and watched the games from the preseason to focus on who was playing when and where and vs whom but I thought that Bryant looked the best out of the 3 (Kemo and Haynesworth being the other 2). He was getting a push and occupying defenders.

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[quote=tryfuhl;734027]I haven't gone back and watched the games from the preseason to focus on who was playing when and where and vs whom but I thought that Bryant looked the best out of the 3 (Kemo and Haynesworth being the other 2). He was getting a push and occupying defenders.[/quote]

I know Kemo has been an outstanding locker room presense but he just isn't getting it done and hasn't gotten it done since he has been here. I forget who posted the link on how Achilles injuries end a lot of NFL careers and result in the player never reaching their previous performance sums Kemo up for me. His best days are done. I think you can look at Jansen and easily argue that he never was as good after his achilles went out.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;734012]I have been wondering why we let Howard Green go. He played in almost every game last year (as a role player) for the best defense in the NFL last year but was beaten out by Kemo (who is terrible) and Bryant who can't be that good if he hasn't beaten out Kemo.[/quote]

He looked like he was out of shape, although it could be he's just naturally not very fast.

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[quote=tryfuhl;734023]It's really easy to take a bad angle in the open field when you're running in from 25-30 yards off of the LOS and the guy you're targeting and yourself are approaching full speed or already there, especially when there's lateral movement as well. Not to say he played to potential last year, but a large portion of what we saw vs Dallas was due to proximity.[/quote]

I think those 10-15 yard cushions that were commonplace under Blache contributed to Landry's problems too. The wideout with that cushion is going to be close to full speed when the corner or safety comes up to make a play. Automatically being "in space" results in them being able to put a better juke move on a would be tackler. Just my .02

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;734031]He looked like he was out of shape, although it could be he's just naturally not very fast.[/quote]


How many 365 pounders are "in shape"? ;-)

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;734035]How many 365 pounders are "in shape"? ;-)[/quote]

Back to 2008. Ngata vs. Shaun Rogers. Basically, it seemed that the plan was to tire out the NT. Rogers tired out near the end of the game, Ngata did not.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;734039]Back to 2008. Ngata vs. Shaun Rogers. Basically, it seemed that the plan was to tire out the NT. Rogers tired out near the end of the game, Ngata did not.[/quote]

Both of those guys are head and shoulders ahead of our NTs. Ngata is one of the best d-linemen in football and Rogers is up there too.

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[quote=#56fanatic;733797]Do you think he forgot how to play football in one offseason? [B]They guy was one of the best D-lineman in football for the past 3-4 years. He was maybe short of great for us last year (when on the field) proof is in the fact that Carter had career high in sacks, orakpo as a rookie had 11 sacks. [/B]The guy didn't forget how to play. yeah his attitude has sucked, and I was pissed just the same as everyone else. But like I said previously, he is the most talented big man up front we have, and according to MOST if not ALL of the NFL people one of the most talented in all the NFL. I just think it is more personal than anything else right now. We all know that if they put him on the end and let him play the DE position everyone would be happy. But they keep lining him up at NT just to piss him off. You can't tell me that he isn't better than Gholston, better than Adam Cariker, Better than Holliday....come on lets get real. He is better than all those dudes and you know it. They players are getting tired of all the shit too. McNabb, Cooley, Daniels, all leaders of the team are stepping up for Albert, saying they are behind him 100%. Far cry from what everyone was saying during the offseason.[/quote]

:lol:......yeah right. So tired of people saying this cause it's anything but the truth. AH missed 4 games and a lot of those sacks came when his out of shape ass wasn't on the field.

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[quote=skinsfan69;734189]:lol:......yeah right. So tired of people saying this cause it's anything but the truth. AH missed 4 games and a lot of those sacks came when his out of shape ass wasn't on the field.[/quote]

That is your opinion. Fact is when he was on the field whether it was Tennessee or Washington the DE had more sacks. That sir is a fact. Go look it up. Andre Carter never had 11 sacks in one season. And to point another fact out, AH played the 2nd most snaps along the D-line than anyone on the team. Carter having played the most. So, make sure you have facts, not opinions here.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733994]Yeah, it definitely changes from play to play, but you've gotta have an end who is willing and able to do both.

With AH at end, always shooting the B gap, you'd have to keep a LB responsible for the C gap on every play, which kinda defeats the purpose of the 3-4 IMO. In the end, you have to have linemen that will play 2 gap when needed, and AH won't, so moving him to DE doesn't help the situation.[/quote]

You know, i just dont understand why this keeps coming up. Like I previously stated, if Haslett or the D line coach didn't want him doing the gaps, then why the hell did he continue to play?? it doesn't make much sense if you ask me. If he continued to do the wrong thing over and over, then he would have been taken out. Obviously he was doing what coaches wanted him to do.

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Carter had 12.5 sacks in 2002, 10.5 in 2007, without AH.

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[quote=Mattyk;734237]Carter had 12.5 sacks in 2002, 10.5 in 2007, without AH.[/quote]

LOL - nice thanks for pointing that out. Guess i didn't look it up. thanks for going checking into that.

i deserve a little beat down for that one

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[quote=#56fanatic;734236]You know, i just dont understand why this keeps coming up. Like I previously stated, if Haslett or the D line coach didn't want him doing the gaps, then why the hell did he continue to play?? it doesn't make much sense if you ask me. If he continued to do the wrong thing over and over, then he would have been taken out. Obviously he was doing what coaches wanted him to do.[/quote]

Yeah, I know what you're saying, and all I can say is there are times when that might be what he is asked to do. In nickel packages, he probably should play the same 3-technique that he is used to. It's possible they only played him on what they thought were going to be passing downs. That's all great -- and he can get his stats in those situations -- but he has to play selfless at times (i.e.: hold up blockers and let LBs make plays), and I don't think he's willing to do that.

Defense in the NFL today is all about flexibility, and it all starts on the line. We want to be able to play 3 and 4 men down, move guys from DE to LB, DT to NT and whatnot. Haynesworth represents a major impediment to making that possible because he is stubborn and inflexible.

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Last year Rak had his best sack day against Oakland, when AH did not play.

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[quote=#56fanatic;734235]That is your opinion. Fact is when he was on the field whether it was Tennessee or Washington the DE had more sacks. That sir is a fact. Go look it up. Andre Carter never had 11 sacks in one season. And to point another fact out, [B]AH played the 2nd most snaps along the D-line than anyone on the team[/B]. Carter having played the most. So, make sure you have facts, not opinions here.[/quote]

I have trouble with this "stat" b/c he didnt play in 4 games last year. I wouldnt have as much of a problem with it if Haynesworth had played full seasons in the past but he hasnt. He is a lock to miss 2-6 games a year every year. 2 to 6 full complete games where he doesnt take one snap has to be considered in the discussion of "what does haynesworth bring to the table?".

Titans fans warned us about this when we signed him. That he would miss around 4 games and only play hard when he wants to.

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[quote=Lotus;734253]Last year Rak had his best sack day against Oakland, when AH did not play.[/quote]

To be fair though, JaMarcus Russell did play half the game. And he's so bad you almost got two sacks on him...and you weren't even in the same state

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^ :laughing2

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No comment!


Clinton Portis declines to comment, with help from Albert Haynesworth

Clinton Portis and Albert Haynesworth performed a scripted skit for reporters in the locker room Thursday afternoon in which Portis declined to answer questions and Haynesworth covered the running back's mouth with strips of black athletic tape.

A Redskins media relations official informed reporters that Portis, who, in a prepared statement, apologized for inappropriate comments he made about female reporters earlier this week, was ready for his scheduled weekly media availability.

When reporters approached Portis at his dressing stall, however, he initially did not speak. When a reporter asked Portis about his ill-advised comments during the radio interview, he held up a spiral notebook with "No Comment" written on one of the pages while Haynesworth, standing to Portis's left, tore a piece of tape and applied it to Portis's lips.

When a reporter asked about Sunday's game against the Houston Texans, Portis turned the page and held up the notebook again: "Thanks For Coming." Haynesworth applied another piece of black tape.

As reporters continued in vain to engage Portis, up went the notebook twice more with: "God Bless You" and "Have A Good Day." Haynesworth did his part with more tape, and then the players left the locker room together.

Redskins officials probably would prefer that Portis's lips remained perpetually sealed. He occasionally has inserted his foot into his mouth during interviews -- though not to the extent of his misstep this week -- or has stirred controversy by ripping former head coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell.

But this was Portis's first opportunity to explain himself after making comments that, at the very least, displayed some insensitivity on the subject of female reporters. It does raise questions about how sincere Portis's apology was. Perhaps the Portis-Haynesworth two-man act should go on the road. It didn't play well in Ashburn.

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good for haynesworth to have some fun and interact with his fellow skins players. come on haynesworth, come around boy, come on boy, come on . . . . awwww thats a good boy, yes he is, yes he is!

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^ Keep your day job.