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[quote=GridIron26;867518]Good read on why RG3 won't be our QB.. And yes, I read it this time :)

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/12/12/2630194/why-rg3-doesnt-fit-in-dc?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews]Why RG3 Won't Be Shanahan's Choice - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Considering Mike's evident inability to evaluate which QBs will "fit" his super-duper awesome system (see McNabb, Rex, Beck) since he returned to pro football this kind of article makes me cringe. We're going to pass up a potential mega-talent QB in the draft for a coach who likely won't be here more than two or three more years and struggles mightily to pick the right fit anyway...

Edit: this is where a real GM, as in one who actually makes personnel decisions, overides a coach like Mike Shanahan in the decision to not take the truly best QB available or just shows coach the door. Unfortunately, Snyder still hasn't gotten this FO thing right. We've got a GM that's really just the HC's toady and the coach can't get it right to begin with.

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If RG3 is there when the skins pick and we pass on him I'm going to be pissed

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I still think Barkley or RGIII will be a Redskin come April.

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[quote=The Goat;867527]Considering Mike's evident inability to evaluate which QBs will "fit" his super-duper awesome system (see McNabb, Rex, Beck) since he returned to pro football this kind of article makes me cringe. We're going to pass up a potential mega-talent QB in the draft for a coach who likely won't be here more than two or three more years and struggles mightily to pick the right fit anyway...

Edit: this is where a real GM, as in one who actually makes personnel decisions, overides a coach like Mike Shanahan in the decision to not take the truly best QB available or just shows coach the door. Unfortunately, Snyder still hasn't gotten this FO thing right. We've got a GM that's really just the HC's toady and the coach can't get it right to begin with.[/quote]

Great post Goat. The Redskins simply can't not afford to pick the best QB that fits their "system." They simply need to pick the best QB, period. I hope someone over there realizes this and they make the right decision. Pick the best QB.

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As long as this QB leads us to multiple SB victories, I don't care if its John Cena or The Rock.

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All I know is I am routing heavily for a Rams victory

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[quote=T.O.Killa;867545]All I know is I am routing heavily for a Rams victory[/quote]

For more than one reason too. Hopefully Bradford throws for 400 yards and 5 TDs to prove he's their franchise QB.

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The Rams would be stupid to give up on Bradford.

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[quote=skinsfan69;867541]Great post Goat. The Redskins simply can't not afford to pick the best QB that fits their "system." They simply need to pick the best QB, period. I hope someone over there realizes this and they make the right decision. Pick the best QB.[/quote]<---- realizes that the Redskins picking the best overall QB is an unspeakable longshot.

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[quote=diehard;867507]Janoris is another pothead. Sure, go get him. The dude has a rap sheet.[/quote]All NFL teams have the ability to draft rosters entirely of choir boys. Unfortunately, they can't also decide to win games with a roster like that.

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[quote=The Goat;867527]Considering Mike's evident inability to evaluate which QBs will "fit" his super-duper awesome system (see McNabb, Rex, Beck) since he returned to pro football this kind of article makes me cringe. We're going to pass up a potential mega-talent QB in the draft for a coach who likely won't be here more than two or three more years and struggles mightily to pick the right fit anyway...

Edit: this is where a real GM, as in one who actually makes personnel decisions, overides a coach like Mike Shanahan in the decision to not take the truly best QB available or just shows coach the door. Unfortunately, Snyder still hasn't gotten this FO thing right. We've got a GM that's really just the HC's toady and the coach can't get it right to begin with.[/quote]

True, you made a valid point but why would you think that Shanny won't be here in within few years? What if the team actually got better next year or two years later, you would still not want to extend his contract? Beside, in my opinion, a good (or great) QB should be able to play in any kind of system, that also includes Shanny's system.

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[quote=GridIron26;867567]True, you made a valid point but why would you think that Shanny won't be here in within few years?[/quote]He's 59 and can't win any games?

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[quote=GTripp0012;867569]He's 59 and can't win any games?[/quote]

This is only 2nd year that he is supposedly to rebuild a team from scratch, the team that Vinny completely destroyed. I would prefer to give him 5 full years that he asked for before deciding anything.

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[quote=skinsfan69;867553]The Rams would be stupid to give up on Bradford.[/quote]


Gruden said Rams should look hard at RG3 and JAWS Lol'd at him basically

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If we finish 5-11 again next year I hope MS is fired

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867586]Gruden said Rams should look hard at RG3 and JAWS Lol'd at him basically[/quote]

Then if the rams listen to Gruden and do that, they should trade Bradford to the Skins.

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[quote=sfredskin;867589]then if the rams listen to gruden and do that, they should trade bradford to the skins.[/quote]


yes!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;867589]Then if the rams listen to Gruden and do that, they should trade Bradford to the Skins.[/quote]

Let's fire up the "Chucky to St. Louis" bandwagon. LOL.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867587]If we finish 5-11 again next year I hope MS is fired[/quote]

Agreed.

Heard Gruden saying tonight that he really likes RGIII and him and Jaws had their stupid argument over him and bradford.

I've been hearing a lot of Us and Tannehill. I must say if we get Tannehill I will not be a happy camper, because he's very undeveloped and raw.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;867598]Agreed.

Heard Gruden saying tonight that he really likes RGIII and him and Jaws had their stupid argument over him and bradford.

I've been hearing a lot of Us and Tannehill. I must say if we get Tannehill I will not be a happy camper, because he's very undeveloped and raw.[/quote]

I'm torn on this one...I really don't want a QB project. I want us to get a guy that hopefully can come in and contribute like Dalton has this past season. But I also would HATE to see freaking MS saying at the end of next season that the QB they picked could not fit into their system (a la McNabb).

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The Rams who are so thin at talent, could be tempted to trade with the Browns who have 2 1st rounders and want Barkley badly.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;867602]The Rams who are so thin at talent, could be tempted to trade with the Browns who have 2 1st rounders and want Barkley badly.[/quote]

Yeah, outside of Bradford...and maybe Jackson, their offense is terrible. I'm sure they need help on defense too.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867603]Yeah, outside of Bradford...and maybe Jackson, their offense is terrible. I'm sure they need help on defense too.[/quote]

Brandon Lloyd is pretty good.

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Very true about the Rams. I mean their picking second overall I don't see them moving. Also as we all know Matt Barkley and Matt Kalil are linked together as a 'package' here is the most recent article regarding Kalil.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824da5ea/article/uscs-kalil-says-he-hasnt-decided-on-his-playing-future]NFL.com news: USC's Kalil says he hasn't decided on his playing future[/url]

If if comes down to picks and talent, I could definitely see Cleveland trying to trade with St. Louis. Its just a matter of if we have something to offer St. Louis and what we're willing to give up.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;867605]Very true about the Rams. I mean their picking second overall I don't see them moving. Also as we all know Matt Barkley and Matt Kalil are linked together as a 'package' here is the most recent article regarding Kalil.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824da5ea/article/uscs-kalil-says-he-hasnt-decided-on-his-playing-future]NFL.com news: USC's Kalil says he hasn't decided on his playing future[/url]

If if comes down to picks and talent, I could definitely see Cleveland trying to trade with St. Louis. Its just a matter of if we have something to offer St. Louis and what we're willing to give up.[/quote]

Cleveland desperately needs a QB. And they've seen how a good QB has completely changed the Bengals. If they don't want to continue to be the bottom dwellers of the AFC North, they should be talking to the Rams or whoever picks after the Colts and trade up to get that franchise QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867600]I'm torn on this one...I really don't want a QB project. I want us to get a guy that hopefully can come in and contribute like Dalton has this past season.[/quote]
I'm curious as to why you consider Tannehill be a 'project' or a 'raw' QB?
Inexperience?

He'll have more snaps played then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

In fact Tanneyhill is more of a direct system fit for [I][B]this[/B][/I] team then any QB in the draft.

And to a certain extent [I]every[/I] QB is a project.

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The more I watch of Weeden he could be this years Andy Dalton.

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[quote=30gut;867611]I'm curious as to why you consider Tannehill be a 'project' or a 'raw' QB?
Inexperience?

He'll have more snaps played then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

In fact Tanneyhill is more of a direct system fit for [I][B]this[/B][/I] team then a QB in the draft.

And to a certain extent [I]every[/I] QB is a project.[/quote]

Cam Newton's physical skills are off the charts though. Like I said if Tannehill is the guy they really want then he better be great because if Shanny passes on Matt Barkley and Robert Griffin III with both of them on the board it will take all my energy not to snipe Shanny COD style because I think they both will be special.

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[quote=30gut;867612]The more I watch of Weeden he could be this years Andy Dalton.[/quote]

The more I watch of Weeden the more I think he could be this years Chris Weinke.

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[quote=GTripp0012;867569]He's 59 and can't win any games?[/quote]

...took the words right out of my mouth.

Everyone is talking about Andy daltons impact on the bengals well numbers wise he's not even close to cam newton, difference is Cincy has a crazy good D this year and a easy schedule

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867618]Everyone is talking about Andy daltons impact on the bengals well numbers wise he's not even close to cam newton, difference is Cincy has a crazy good D this year and a easy schedule[/quote]

10 straight games with a TD pass as a rookie is still pretty sick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867618]Everyone is talking about Andy daltons impact on the bengals well numbers wise he's not even close to cam newton, difference is Cincy has a crazy good D this year and a easy schedule[/quote]

[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton[/url]

[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13994/cam-newton[/url]

Since when is playing the Steelers and Ravens twice and the Texans who are the current #1 AFC seed a easy schedule?

Also we all know that Dalton is nowhere near the athlete that Newton is, then again Dalton doesn't have Steve Smith either.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867614]The more I watch of Weeden the more I think he could be this years Chris Weinke.[/quote]

:lol: hahaha

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[quote=30gut;867611]I'm curious as to why you consider Tannehill be a 'project' or a 'raw' QB?
Inexperience?

He'll have more snaps played then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

In fact Tanneyhill is more of a direct system fit for [I][B]this[/B][/I] team then a QB in the draft.

And to a certain extent [I]every[/I] QB is a project.[/quote]

Until Smootsmack mentioned the Skins' interest in Tannehill and others here listed him as a top prospect, I hadn't looked at much film on him. After I read those things here, I did. And I liked him a lot.

I'd agree that he's a bit raw, but he's already further along in a number of ways than some of the other prospects. For example, in the offense he ran at TAMU he took snaps under center as well as from the shotgun and, to me, he looked good doing both. I like his footwork and his pocket awareness. RGIII, as good as he is, worked exclusively from the gun and has to learn to work from under center.

Speaking of RGIII, why isn't Tannehill as celebrated as RGIII as an athlete? Tannehill is just as effective as a runner as RGIII. Heck, Tannehill runs like a deer! He reminds me of Jake Locker when he runs - and I like Locker a lot!

Tannehill is simply excellent when rolling out. He shows good footwork and great athleticism and he is a very accurate passer whether he is rolling right or left. He also is an accurate passer when throwing out of the pocket or gun to the middle of the field.

On the other hand, for some reason, he throws a terrible out pattern. Also, even though TAMU didn't seem to throw deep much, the deep passes I saw him throw weren't very good. He has a strong arm so I assume he can improve on those throws.

Yes, he's going to have a steep learning curve as a pro and the team that picks him probably won't be able to throw him into the starting lineup right away but I think that will be the case for nearly all of the other QB prospects, including RGIII. That is, except for Luck and Barkley. Andrew Luck could start right away but he will probably be sitting behind Peyton Manning and Matt Barkley will probably take his lumps as a rookie starter.

Now, some team may pick RGIII high enough that they feel obligated to start him from Day 1 but, if that happens, I think RGIII will struggle as a rookie. Eventually, RGIII should be a very good pro QB. I think the same could be said for Tannehill but with just a bit less certainty.

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Cam Newton worked from the gun exclusively in college too.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867621][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton]Andy Dalton Stats - Cincinnati Bengals - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13994/cam-newton]Cam Newton Stats - Carolina Panthers - ESPN[/url]

Since when is playing the Steelers and Ravens twice and the Texans who are the current #1 AFC seed a easy schedule?

Also we all know that Dalton is nowhere near the athlete that Newton is, then again Dalton doesn't have Steve Smith either.[/quote]

Dalton has AJ Smith though. Still, I think they are both good QBs, and I wouldn't mind having either of them here with us. No need to downplay one to praise the other and viceversa.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867688]Dalton has AJ Smith though. Still, I think they are both good QBs, and I wouldn't mind having either of them here with us. No need to downplay one to praise the other and viceversa.[/quote]

Wasn't trying to just saying passing wise the are just as good as one another with Dalton getting a slight edge right now. Cam has that extra element though. BTW AJ Smith? lol

[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13983/aj-green[/url]

[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2622/steve-smith[/url]

You can't say that AJ Green is the better player between the two right now though.

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AJ Green is LEGIT, but so is Dalton

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867691]Wasn't trying to just saying passing wise the are just as good as one another with Dalton getting a slight edge right now. Cam has that extra element though. BTW [B]AJ Smith[/B]? lol

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13983/aj-green]A.J. Green Stats - Cincinnati Bengals - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2622/steve-smith]Steve Smith Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Carolina Panthers - ESPN[/url]

You can't say that AJ Green is the better player between the two right now though.[/quote]

Yeah, you didn't know he can play wideout and be a crappy GM? LOL.

I don't think AJ Green is better than Steve Smith, simply pointing out that Dalton has a good target to throw to, just like Cam does.