[QUOTE=44ever;986796]Don't get me wrong, I am a big RG3 fan and wish he was still healthy. But Im not going to go back to the doom and gloom. RG3 is superior to Cousins in every way IMO, except one. As I stated months ago, I like Cousins better only because I believe he will last longer in the NFL.

With that said I don't want to leave this out, I believe Cousins also has potential to be a great QB. HTTR!!![/QUOTE]

I think KC has the potential to be a Matt schaub type QB, someone thats not elite but can win u many games if he has talent around him.

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i think he tore it in the baltimore game, the lcl atleast. if he had a sprain he wouldve been showing improvement each week and he was not at all, none.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986797]I'm with you on this. My personal belief is that he tore it on that rollout play near the goal line in the first quarter. That's just a wild speculation.[/quote]

That's when he did it, he took his helmet off while laying on the ground in pain. He quickly got up to mask the injury/ pain, you could tell he was hurting bad.

[QUOTE=ashvirtually;986770]No, man. I was being sincere.[/QUOTE]

Oh....,well the tone of your font looked sarcastic to me. Lol.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;986799]i think [B]he tore it in the baltimore game[/B], the lcl atleast. if he had a sprain he wouldve been showing improvement each week and he was not at all, none.[/quote]

Altho it doesn't matter at this point, I think this is correct.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986797]I'm with you on this. My personal belief is that he tore it on that rollout play near the goal line in the first quarter. That's just a wild speculation.[/quote]I thought the same thing. He stopped driving off the leg with authority - his short throws were sailing, and he underthrew Garcon on the one deep shot. Most notably, he had ZERO lateral mobility, as exhibited by the sack he took on his next to last play. A healthy RG3 would have scrambled for 10+ yards up the right sideline on that play.

[QUOTE=44ever;986802]Altho it doesn't matter at this point, I think this is correct.[/QUOTE]

I agree, there is no way that hit was just a mild sprain. I mean it could have been but that was a vicious hit and his leg looked like a twig.

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I am also taking his past into consideration as well, when you consider he played an entire half on a torn ACL in college. The man will try and play through anything, and for someone in which I didn't see many flaws in his character this may be one. He is tough but also arrogant to a degree I believing that he is the best option to have out there even if he is playing on one leg.

Man im reading some things on here i cannot believe? Draft another qb? RG-3 is done? Holy wow.
He suffered a FREAK injury against the Baltimore Ravens.
He came back after the Cleveland game and led us to two victories. He didnt look 100 percent by any means and we all said , he is getting healthier and the brace will come off.
We were wrong, doc Andrews was wrong, Shanny was wrong? I dont know, but its pretty obvious at this point that he should not have been playing. I forget who said it , but at this point its not important who was wrong. Its not important that he makes it back fast. Its important that he makes it back 110 percent. My gut (which has no medical training whatsoever) says that he will be back for week five next year. My gut also says we will be 4-0 and lookout world. Rexy will be around next yr it appears and probably dressed and backing up KC-1. We are not going to draft a qb - no way. Lets sure up our D, and our oline. Lets get our injured players back. Lets have a solid draft and make the most of free agency. All the while Griff is getting stronger by the day. He will be back early next year to defend his nfc east championship.
HTTR (hail to the recovery)

No need to even talk about drafting a QB. Cousins is good and rex is a solid back up.. IF that's even the case come September. Who knows

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Cousins
Grossman
Crompton

RG3 on injured reserve (option to comeback)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986804]I agree, there is no way that hit was just a mild sprain. I mean it could have been but that was a vicious hit and his leg looked like a twig.[/quote]

and the biggest thing was he showed no improvement when he came back week by week. looked the same each week hobbled.

[QUOTE=Bubba305-ST21-;986811]and the biggest thing was he showed no improvement when he came back week by week. looked the same each week hobbled.[/QUOTE]

I didn't see it that way. in the philly game he ran 2 times for four yards, and it was excruciating to see his reach the sideline. in Dalllas he ran for 60 yards and while he didn't have his burst there was a better fluid motion in his run. I would even say in the first quarter against seattle there was a little improvement until he tried that pass to garcon. I don't have any clue what reasonably could have been expected, or if his progress was faster or slower than should have been expected, but he had made positive steps each week.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986798]I think KC has the potential to be a Matt schaub type QB, someone thats not elite but can win u many games if he has talent around him.[/quote]

I totally agree with that assesment, although I think his upside is a bit higher than where Schaub sits as a QB currently.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;986810]Cousins
Grossman
Crompton

RG3 on injured reserve (option to comeback)[/quote]

You can't IR RG3 now with the option to come back

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Then just IR him.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986815]Then just IR him.[/quote]

Why do that if he could play next season? (and be 100% healthy)

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Totally premature to talk IR with Robert at this point. I think PUP is more likely. He misses 6 games, which would suck, but with a 100% healthy roster heading into the regular season and potentially that $18M back in cap money, we could be okay with Cousins at the helm for 3/8ths of the year.

I just hope priority 1 is to err on the side of caution with Robert moving forward. Fortunately he's a 22 year old world-class athlete with the best docs in the world at his disposal.

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[quote=GMScud;986817][B]Totally premature to talk IR with Robert at this point. I think PUP is more likely. [/B]He misses 6 games, which would suck, but with a 100% healthy roster heading into the regular season and potentially that $18M back in cap money, we could be okay with Cousins at the helm for 3/8ths of the year.

I just hope priority 1 is to err on the side of caution with Robert moving forward. Fortunately he's a 22 year old world-class athlete with the best docs in the world at his disposal.[/quote]

Scud nails it

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986760]I don't want to see rg3 on the field again unless he looks exactly like he looked week 1 vs the saints. I highly doubt that happens by October. PUP him for sure.[/quote]

I thought I had implied him being healthy in that statement, but yes, I want him to be healthy aka back to normal.

EDIT

Hate to break bad news, but his ACL and LCL are completely torn....

This is according to mortenson and grant paulsen and that HTTR guy

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According to ESPN Chris Mortensen RGIII to have complete surgery on Wednesday and expected to be ready for season opener. Recovery time 6-8 months.

Yep complete tear of ACL/LCL.

6-8 month recovery time.

Surgery @7.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;986827]According to ESPN Chris Mortensen RGIII to have complete surgery on Wednesday and expected to be ready for season opener. Recovery time 6-8 months.[/QUOTE]

I was hoping to showcase Crompton to the league. Oh well i guess i can learn to live with this latest status update.

[QUOTE=Gtothearry;986828]Yep complete tear of ACL/LCL.[/QUOTE]

I thought i read somewhere in this thread that a complete tear of the acl was better than a partial tear as far as getting back to 100 %?
Edit: yes Skinzwin posted about the doctor on sirius radio this morning that said surgery isnt possible on the acl unless it is a complete tear? Is this good news? I cant sleep and have to know whether to up my bid on the Cousins jersey! Help! Lol
I had hand surgery yesterday and the general anasthetic has turned my sleep habit upside down. Im wide awake rite now but this latest update might make me rest easier actually.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986816]Why do that if he could play next season? (and be 100% healthy)[/quote]

Because cousins is really good and griffin won't be 100%

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[quote=GMScud;986817]Totally premature to talk IR with Robert at this point. I think PUP is more likely. He misses 6 games, which would suck, but with a 100% healthy roster heading into the regular season and potentially that $18M back in cap money, we could be okay with Cousins at the helm for 3/8ths of the year.

I just hope priority 1 is to err on the side of caution with Robert moving forward. Fortunately he's a 22 year old world-class athlete with the best docs in the world at his disposal.[/quote]

We wouldn't IR him until we had to. I just don't trust Robert to be truthful with the team and doctors about how he really feels, and I don't trust the team to not take Robert at his word.

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He will be back before October....no doubt in my mind!

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I've never heard of a complete tear being 'better' than a partial tear...


Also here is a little background on the man who will be fixing RG3.

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[quote=redskins5044;986758]I heard that after they removed the doctors put a superman band aid on it and gave him a lollipop.[/quote]

You don't know Sh!t!! What flavor was it??? :)

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;986835]I've never heard of a complete tear being 'better' than a partial tear...


Also here is a little background on the man who will be fixing RG3.

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According to the doctor on sirius if it is a partial tear than surgery is not an option? So, since it is a complete tear now they can do it all in six hours.

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;986414]They had a orthopedic surgeon on Sirius XM NFL Radio this morning who said just the contrary. If it is completely torn they can do surgery to reattach the muscle to the bone. If it is a partial tear, surgery can most likely not be done and the ACL can not repair itself due to its place on the inside of the knee, basically giving you a weakened joint until you completely tear it. The MCL and LCL which are on the outside of the knee can repair themselves with therapy and treatment. That prognosis scared me. I hope it is just his LCL and not his ACL being partially torn as previously speculated.[/QUOTE]

Requoting Skinzwin here so you can read what he posted. Sounds to me like it is a good thing?

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[quote=44ever;986777]No sense in hoping RG3 back next season at this point. Only because there is zero chance of him returning the 1st half of the season. Let him rest and heal, and he will.

We need to look forward to Kirk leading the Skins, and there is a very good possibility that we may not want RG3 back on the field if Kirk has us in 1st place when and if RG3 is ready to return. That probably does not sit to well with some of you, but it may very well be a reality.[/quote]

That would be the mother of all QB controversies. I think its a very viable option. How "rusty" will RG3 be? I'm confident he'll get back in the groove fast but probably not for a game or so.

Honestly, this is the best thing that could happen. Two powerful QBs (don't trade...we need a winning back up).

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hmm he could be back for training camap

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/report-robert-griffin-iii-out-6-8-months-with-complete-acl-lcl-tears/"]Report: Robert Griffin III out 6-8 months with complete ACL, LCL tears | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

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Wow. He's already shaved two to four months off the normal recovery time. Impressive.

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Please understand I'm not hating but this isn't right,6-8 months,maybe for you and me to be able to be normal again but for a football player ,a QB,and for someone who has already had this done one time before,12 to 14 months.No I'm not a dotor but I did have the surgery and I admit I'm no superman but no matter what the knee will never be the same again.

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But seriously...the overt damage control that's been coming out of Redskinsland is incredible.

It went from, "it could be the old damage" to "partial tears" to "torn lcl" to "total reconstruction". Now they're skimping on the time this injury normally takes to heal to make it seem less severe. And what? Set the stage to potentially rush him back?

They were scared shitless to come out and say it right after the game, but they sure as hell knew all along. We all saw his knee bend to the ground like a slinky on gameday.

This was a colossal mistake by the coach and by the organization. It looks like the famous doctor Andrews is just another Smithers.

They should "man up" like Griffin was trying to do by going back in and admit they gambled a ten year window for a playoff game and lost, big time.

It brings up all the old feelings that this franchise suffers from a real lack of character under Snyder.

The Jenkins WaPo article sums it up for me perfectly.

Oh well, right?

Get well Robert.

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What I don't get is what they thought would happen next week anyway? He was clearly affected from the end of the 1st quarter, no way he was going to be able to play another 3 games.

All the best with the surgery RG3; for what its worth an injury like that in AFL would be a 10 month lay-off at best; at worst who knows

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Hopefully our young OL works very hard in the off season . It would seem to be a focus in F/A and draft to bring in one more guy into the competition . Hope we do not rush RG's return ,maybe start KC the first 4-6 games and see how that goes ? Good luck Mr. Griffen .

6-8 isn't bad

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