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[quote=Skinzman;998310]You are the second person today questioning whether signing bonuses count against the cap. Is there a new rule about signing bonuses that im missing?[/quote]

No you are correct. Bonus(guaranteed) is not included in cap limitations.

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[quote=Monksdown;998314]No you are correct. Bonus(guaranteed) is not included in cap limitations.[/quote]

Guaranteed bonus is included in the cap calculations, but it is spread out over the remaining years of the contract.

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/22635-the-warpath-presents-salary-cap-101-a.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/22635-the-warpath-presents-salary-cap-101-a.html[/URL]

[B]What are Signing Bonus Allocations?[/B]
- Signing bonus is guaranteed. It is usually received in a lump sum payment upon signing a new contract, though sometimes signing bonus payments are scheduled one or more years into the future. Signing bonus does not count in full against the salary cap in the year it is received. Instead, the signing bonus amount is allocated equally amongst the remaining years of the contract (6 years max). This is only for salary cap purposes; the player still receives the entire signing bonus amount up front. If the player is released or traded, any future signing bonus allocations accelerate to the present, and this amount will still count against the team's salary cap even though the player is no longer with the team. This is usually referred to as Dead Cap.

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[quote=Monksdown;998314]No you are correct. Bonus(guaranteed) is not included in cap limitations.[/quote]

what are you talking about? If signing bonuses didnt count against the cap, then the redskins could just sign every big name free agent out there, give them a 30-50million dollar signing bonus, and pay the vet minimum, with only the vet minimum counting against the cap. There would be no purpose to the salary cap if signing bonuses didnt count against it.

Signing bonuses count against the cap. Teams just have the option of pro-rating the signing bonus over the length of the deal. Meaning, if its a 3 million signing bonus on a 3 year contract, teams have the option to split the bonus up so it only counts 1 million each year.

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[quote=donofriose;998266]Almost every defense in the NFL is unique. Halls biggest problem is he bites on plays and lets players behind him... And hall got dragged by jake delhome, I will never forget that. He's a good tackler for a corner, but for a safety he's below average and running backs and tight ends would drag him. I think I would draft a safety who played safety in college and has experience playing safety and understands he can't let someone behind him. So agree to disagree. I don't see hall playing safety all that well, especially with how inconsistent he is and how often he gets beat by average receivers[/quote]

I like the idea of DHall playing FS for Dallas.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;998292]Royster will probably hang around. I remember Smoot saying something about coaches really liking him.

I've never taken to Royster as I've always thought he wasn't a hard nor fast runner.[/quote]

Tristan Davis is someone to keep an eye on. PS guy, coaches like him.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;998292][B]Royster[/B] will probably hang around. I remember Smoot saying something about [B]coaches really liking him[/B].

I've never taken to Royster as I've always thought he wasn't a hard nor fast runner.[/quote]

Royster is to our RB corp as _______ is to our TE corp.

Anyone?

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[quote=The Goat;998362]Royster is to our RB corp as _______ is to our TE corp.

Anyone?[/quote]


Paulsen.

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[url=http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/thom-loverro-redskins-still-have-no-love-lost-for-giants-owner-john-mara/article/2524210?custom_click=rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed]Thom Loverro: Redskins still have no love lost for Giants owner John Mara | Mobile Washington Examiner[/url]

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Wes Welker Signed with Denver. As per Adam Schefter

@granthpaulsen: FOX Sports is reporting that @OneManGang97 has signed with the Arizona Cardinals.

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[quote=Defensewins;998368]Wes Welker Signed with Denver. As per Adam Schefter[/quote]

That's huge!!! I said Broncos were favorite out of AFC last year. Saying it again this year.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998370]@granthpaulsen: FOX Sports is reporting that @OneManGang97 has signed with the Arizona Cardinals.[/quote]

If true sad to see him go, but good for him. Next man up.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998370]@granthpaulsen: FOX Sports is reporting that @OneManGang97 has signed with the Arizona Cardinals.[/quote]

Yup, Keim and Campbell too.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998370]@granthpaulsen: FOX Sports is reporting that @OneManGang97 has signed with the Arizona Cardinals.[/quote]

Sad to see one of my favorites go, at least he didn't sign with SF or Pitt.

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Per Keim, Lorenzo Alexander has agreed to 3 year deal with Arizona.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;998376]Sad to see one of my favorites go, at least he didn't sign with SF or Pitt.[/QUOTE]

I like him but it makes ya wonder how AZ signed him & other teams passed. I like that we let him walk & top tier teams didn't seem to be overly interested.

1 more sign to say we are headed in the right direction.

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Some decent guys getting cut, hopefully we can pick up a few cheap, real cheap.

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[quote=12thMan;998378]Per Keim, Lorenzo Alexander has agreed to 3 year deal with Arizona.[/quote]

Without the cap penalty he's probably still with us. Sucks.

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Lorenzo Alexander's physical play on special teams will be missed. This is a big blow.

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[quote=Defensewins;998388]Lorenzo Alexander's physical play on special teams will be missed. This is a big blow.[/quote]

Niles Paul plays a similar style, would have been nice to gave both to kick some serious ass.

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[quote=Mattyk;998385]Without the cap penalty he's probably still with us. Sucks.[/quote]

Indeed. Zoe is a great locker room guy, ST stud and back-up/fill-in. He's the type you want for your championship run even though his play isn't necessarily integral to winning, if that makes sense.

Lame.

I think Bryan Kehl will come back in & pick up where Zo left off. When he came back last year he was another player who made a difference on ST's.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998399]I think Bryan Kehl will come back in & pick up where Zo left off. When he came back last year he was another player who made a difference on ST's.[/quote]

I'm a fan of Kehl as a good role player. If he shows his potential (IMO), he could be a as good as Rob Jackson, but more in zone coverage (not as a push rusher).

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Going to miss those big moments from Zo bringing the the wood. Don't blame him though, got to get paid.

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Its realy amazing what one year of winning does to the cost of your players. Zo and Golston got signed last year at or near mini deals. Now both are getting paid. Still not sure why we paid Golston what we did. And then Polumbus is probably going to get paid also.

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I think other than Golston's signing bonus he could still be cut at a minimum cost to the Skins. I can't wait to see how Phillip Merling turns out.

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Zo > Goldston. There is no comparison. We kept the wrong guy.
I also do not want Polumbus to go.

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[quote=Defensewins;998406]Zo > Goldston. There is no comparison. We kept the wrong guy.
I also do not want Polumbus to go.[/quote]

Golston = back up money
Zo probably wanted starter money

Unfortunately the team doesn't have the luxury to keep a Pro Bowl special teams player when they are under the cap.

@HTTR24_7: RT @Manny_PPI: Interesting. RT @davidelfin @onemangang97 just told me that Cardinals gave him $9.5M, $3M guaranteed over 3 yrs.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998412]@HTTR24_7: RT @Manny_PPI: Interesting. RT @davidelfin @onemangang97 just told me that Cardinals gave him $9.5M, $3M guaranteed over 3 yrs.[/quote]

With our cap problems we had no hope of matching that.

Vaya con Dios One Man Gang.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998412]@HTTR24_7: RT @Manny_PPI: Interesting. RT @davidelfin @onemangang97 just told me that Cardinals gave him $9.5M, $3M guaranteed over 3 yrs.[/quote]

Good for him. He deserves it. I would have bolted too.

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Too pricey for a backup/special teamer. I wish him luck but I think we'll be alright.

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[quote=Gtothearry;998412]@HTTR24_7: RT @Manny_PPI: Interesting. RT @davidelfin @onemangang97 just told me that Cardinals gave him $9.5M, $3M guaranteed over 3 yrs.[/quote]

Yeah that's starter money. He's not a starter in DC. Jack of all trades are rarely great at one thing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;998417]Good for him. He deserves it. I would have bolted too.[/quote]

I agree. I wish we could have kept him, but with the cap penalty, we couldn't have come close to that. Lorenzo's been giving us a hometown discount for years. He deserves to get paid. I'm happy for him.

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Even without the penalty that contract is to rich for Zo. He is great but I couldn't pay a special teams player and a solid backup.

We can replace him in the draft for much cheaper than that.

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[url=http://sonofwashington.com/2013/03/12/in-a-down-economy-redskins-let-the-market-settle/]In a Down Economy, Redskins Let the Market Settle - Son of Washington[/url]

Basic common sense article but I thought it was worth posting.

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I would have been angry if the Redskins paid that much for Zo. Goodluck in AZ!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;998429]I would have been angry if the Redskins paid that much for Zo. Goodluck in AZ![/quote]
We paid close to that for Golston

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;998428][url=http://sonofwashington.com/2013/03/12/in-a-down-economy-redskins-let-the-market-settle/]In a Down Economy, Redskins Let the Market Settle - Son of Washington[/url]

Basic common sense article but I thought it was worth posting.[/quote]

I like that person they referred to from the Warpath, sounds like a jolly fellow.