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It's interesting (and funny) that now that Pat White is on the verge of being on another NFL roster that he suddenly drops a lawsuit that alleged that he was left with memory issues and speech problems from a hit he took a few years ago. If that was the case, how would he expect to be cleared to play? It's shame, because of all the former players out there who are truly suffering, you have money-grab guys like White who are diluting these lawsuits. Over 4,000 players are suing the NFL over past injuries right now. Sad to think that many of them are just piggybacking to get a handout when there is real suffering going on.

[QUOTE=GMScud;1001678]It's interesting (and funny) that now that Pat White is on the verge of being on another NFL roster that he suddenly drops a lawsuit that alleged that he was left with memory issues and speech problems from a hit he took a few years ago. If that was the case, how would he expect to be cleared to play? It's shame, because of all the former players out there who are truly suffering, you have money-grab guys like White who are diluting these lawsuits. Over 4,000 players are suing the NFL over past injuries right now. Sad to think that many of them are just piggybacking to get a handout when there is real suffering going on.[/QUOTE]

Deion Sanders said the exact same thing, most of those guys r just looking for a free check. Sad

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I was kinda hoping we looked harder in the draft for a Pat White-type-hoping-to-be-playmaker. I still hope we do, but 1% this guy makes the roster.

Mike Greenberg was completely off this morning, he said pat white means that kirk will b traded. Or basically saying he should be

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Mike Greenberg is a tool.

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I agree with Chico' and 'ok. If there is interest in Cousins, look into it. No need to have two different types of QBs on the roster.

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You keep Cousins because he has shown he can be handle step in pressure situations and he is cheap. Why would you trade that when your superstar qb has yet to complete a full season healthy.

Vick is not Griffin, but the Eagles would have been in a much better place, knowing Vick is going to miss 3 games, and having a backup who is capable to lead them to wins. Look at when Roethlisberger missed the 1st 4 games of a season, the Steelers had their backup come in and go 3-1.

It is ok to have quality players as depth on an NFL team, even if it's not the VC Skins way.

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[quote=RGIII;1001698]I agree with Chico' and 'ok. If there is interest in Cousins, look into it. No need to have two different types of QBs on the roster.[/quote]

So if Griffins knee is not ready until October/November you would start Pat White?
C'mon man......

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No guarantees White even makes the team.

Cousins isn't going anywhere.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1001638]Its a gimmick offense that works.

[B]You're trying to take the hatchet to a system that really only needs a screwdriver.

Some fine tuning here and there and there's really nothing wrong with the offense we have now.[/quote][/B]

Well said, couldn't of said it better myself.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;1001651]what ever happen to Chris Rainey, I believe he is a free agent, wouldnt mind giving him a look for an extremely low contract. He's a speedback that can catch and would compliment Morris. If he gets in trouble he gets the boot with no hesitation with a very cheap contract.[/quote]


I would like to see him to, but I think MS had him at the Senior Bowl last year and probably came away with a bad feeling I could be wrong no source just a feeling.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001695]Mike Greenberg was completely off this morning, he said pat white means that kirk will b traded. Or basically saying he should be[/quote]

Wow, has he even looked at what White has been up to since he was cut by the Dolphins?

That is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001697]Mike Greenberg is a tool.[/quote]

^This. A complete idiot, I don't believe the man ever played organized sports.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1001708]Wow, has he even looked at what White has been up to since he was cut by the Dolphins?

That is one of the dumbest things I have heard.[/QUOTE]

Yeah even golic seemed surprised he'd think that

[QUOTE=Redskin Jim;1001709]^This. A complete idiot, I don't believe the man ever played organized sports.[/QUOTE]

No he said he didn't play much .

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1001703]No guarantees White even makes the team.

Cousins isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE]

Nor should he. I'm a huge fan of his, eventually he'll be gone though but I hope not for another full season.

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I feel embarrassed for Greenberg if he seriously thinks Cousins could/should be traded because we might pick up White.

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honestly, i think he's just stirring the pot, it's part of his job.. anything to get reactions from people positive or otherwise... which he obviously succeeded in doing... judging by the posts here. lol

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What MG was basically saying was if Pat White can succeed here he makes better sense as the backup QB because the offense would be run similarly to how they run it with RG3. He was using White more so as a hypothetical. Just saying that in the long run a QB similar to RG3 makes more sense than Cousins. I don't necessarily agree but that's what he was saying

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I like this free agent approach. The cap hit is a blessng in disguise. Next year we get to have another "advantage" and Mara can't stop it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1001732]What MG was basically saying was if Pat White can succeed here he makes better sense as the backup QB because the offense would be run similarly to how they run it with RG3. He was using White more so as a hypothetical. Just saying that in the long run a QB similar to RG3 makes more sense than Cousins. I don't necessarily agree but that's what he was saying[/quote]

Neither do I.

Cousins showed last year that we don't need a backup with similar traits to RG3 to be successful. And Kyle S. was able to change up the game plan accordingly. This isn't a one trick pony type of offense.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1001734]I like this free agent approach. The cap hit is a blessng in disguise. Next year we get to have another "advantage" and Mara can't stop it.[/quote]

We really won't be able to tell if it was a blessing in disguise until next offseason when we 1) can see what our W/L record was, 2) accurately assess the holes that couldn't have been filled in FA this current offseason.

I've heard a few people call it a blessing in disguise, but I think it's too early to tell.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1001738]We really won't be able to tell if it was a blessing in disguise until next offseason when we 1) can see what our W/L record was, 2) accurately assess the holes that couldn't have been filled in FA this current offseason.

I've heard a few people call it a blessing in disguise, but I think it's too early to tell.[/quote]

2 years without the same amount of cash available is hardly a blessing. It's forced us to be restricted in a season where we are coincidentally not chasing a desperate need.

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More and more teams like the read option so this decision is a gamble to maybe get a draft pick for 2014. Pat can be used to play RGIII in camp while Griff recovers and he very well could resurect himself during preseason.... Win\Win situation

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1001638]Its a gimmick offense that works.

You're trying to take the hatchet to a system that really only needs a screwdriver.

Some fine tuning here and there and there's really nothing wrong with the offense we have now.[/quote]

I agree the offense can be just as potent, but it can't be the same offense if that makes sense.

Make no mistake, the offense we ran last year will produce diminishing marginal returns. The diminution is the only question. The main factors here are defensive adjustments and RG's overall health/confidence in his ability to plant, cut, push off.

Some of us are still hoping the gimmick plays were more a reaction to the (horrible) pass-blocking than Shanahan's determination to make our franchise player into a running QB.

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A QB similar to RG3 is one who's deadly accurate. Cousins, White, and Grossman are far from that.

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[quote=RGIII;1001761]A QB similar to RG3 is one who's deadly accurate. Cousins, White, and Grossman are far from that.[/quote]

Why do you have Cousins in the same group as White and Grossman? Cousins is miles above them. He could start for a lot of teams.

You say he's not deadly accurate? How about 69% completion with 101.6 rating?

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[quote=The Goat;1001759]I agree the offense can be just as potent, but it can't be the same offense if that makes sense.

[B]Make no mistake, the offense we ran last year will produce diminishing marginal returns.[/B] The diminution is the only question. The [B]main factors here are defensive adjustments[/B] and RG's overall health/confidence in his ability to plant, cut, push off.

Some of us are still hoping the gimmick plays were more a reaction to the (horrible) pass-blocking than Shanahan's determination to make our franchise player into a running QB.[/quote]

I am confident the 16 D-coordinators we faced in the regular season thought the same thing.......interesting

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[quote=RGIII;1001761]A QB similar to RG3 is one who's deadly accurate. Cousins, White, and Grossman are far from that.[/quote]

I beg to differ. Kirk Cousins is very accurate. White is 0/5 for his entire career on pass attempts but isn't saying much. White was a 2nd round pick so he has to be at least somewhat good.

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You guys are apparently missing the part where he said [B]A QB similar to RG3...[/B]

Meaning a super athletic QB that can run and well as pass.

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A QB "similar" to RGIII would be a starter on most teams. I dont see how we could have a backup that runs the EXACT same offense RGIII does because RGIII is a unique talent.

In reality, every NFL offense is is tuned to the skills of its starting QB. No team has a starter and backup of equivalent talent, equivalent strengths, and equivalent weaknesses. Therefore, every single NFL team has to tweak its offense to some degree when the backup is playing. In that context, I honestly think Cousins is about as good a backup as we could hope for. He doesnt have the same athleticism as RGIII, but he can run 90% of the plays RGIII can. As we saw last year, he can be very effective, too.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001779]You guys are apparently missing the part where he said [B]A QB similar to RG3...[/B]

Meaning a super athletic QB that can run and well as pass.[/quote]

He also said Cousins was far from being deadly accurate. Bullsh#t. But I know what you mean.

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Rex Grossman resigns with the Redskins!

Dynasty!

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/03/redskins-bring-back-rex-grossman-again/]Redskins bring back Rex Grossman, again | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;1001759]I agree the offense can be just as potent, but it can't be the same offense if that makes sense.

Make no mistake, the offense we ran last year will produce diminishing marginal returns. The diminution is the only question. The main factors here are defensive adjustments and RG's overall health/confidence in his ability to plant, cut, push off.

Some of us are still hoping the gimmick plays were more a reaction to the (horrible) pass-blocking than Shanahan's determination to make our franchise player into a running QB.[/quote]

I seriously don't understand why, after a full season on this board, and with several excellent football discussions of the specifics about the Shanahan stretch run offense tied to the zone read offense thru use of the pistol, some people still call it an attempt to make Griffin into a "running qb". Griffin is a qb. He runs. Those two facts together do not equal the dreaded running qb syndrome.

There are 11 guys on offense and 11 guys on defense. If you force the defense to play against the whole field, you have a higher percentage of winning plays. It really isn't complicated and it isn't some plot to ruin the health of an outstanding young talent.

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Wrecks has nine lives.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001791]I seriously don't understand why, after a full season on this board, and with several excellent football discussions of the specifics about the Shanahan stretch run offense tied to the zone read offense thru use of the pistol, some people still call it an attempt to make Griffin into a "running qb". Griffin is a qb. He runs. Those two facts together do not equal the dreaded running qb syndrome.

There are 11 guys on offense and 11 guys on defense. If you force the defense to play against the whole field, you have a higher percentage of winning plays. It really isn't complicated and it isn't some plot to ruin the health of an outstanding young talent.[/quote]

You should have just slapped him with one of these

[IMG]http://sabiansymbols.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83462eb8d69e201310f7f5582970c-200wi[/IMG]

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[quote=Hog1;1001768]I am confident the 16 D-coordinators we faced in the regular season thought the same thing.......interesting[/quote]

We didn't face 16 D coordinators

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1001801]We didn't face 16 D coordinators[/quote]

Being a little nitpicky eh? 16 d-coordinators, 13 d-coordinators, not a big difference.

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Yes we can find an RG3 clone to be our backup, it should be no problem. The other 31 teams just missed him.

I am also under the impression that everyone runs the same plays every year. They just change the numbers a little, or maybe incorporate a little pig latin?