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God or no-God are not the only two choices. One may be a monist, in which one conceives of a sacred realm which is not a God. As such, monism allows for sacred creation, order, etc., without ever appealing to a God concept. With monism one may have atheist religion.

For an example of monism, see The Force in Star Wars: a sacred reality which is capable of creation but is not a God.

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[quote=Lotus;1058687]. With monism one may have atheist religion.
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Now you're just starting trouble , you know RR is going to get you ,hell or high water !

[QUOTE=Giantone;1058761]Now you're just starting trouble , you know RR is going to get you ,hell or high water ![/QUOTE]

May the force be with you Lotus. I fear RR is strong with the Dark Side.

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[url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/04/271383099/creationism-vs-evolution-the-debate-is-live-tonight?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook]Creationism Vs. Evolution: The Debate Is Live Tonight : The Two-Way : NPR[/url]


Science vs Creationism


Bill Nye vs Kent Ham


Good debate. Thought this is a good place to post this as well.

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Sorry, it boggles the mind that anyone could legitimately believe the "Earth is only 6,000 years old". I mean, is it possible? Sure. The Creator could be sitting out there laughing his ass off "HA! Faked those f'ers out big time!", but, sorry, that's just not the Creator described in the Bible.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1058788]Sorry, it boggles the mind that anyone could legitimately believe the "Earth is only 6,000 years old". I mean, is it possible? Sure. The Creator could be sitting out there laughing his ass off "HA! Faked those f'ers out big time!", but, sorry, that's just not the Creator described in the Bible.[/quote]

This is my issue with a "professed" scientist. You declare no proof will change your view on the matter (no pun) regardless of what it is. How can people call this sham a scientist? No scientist would ever say anything like this as noted by the response from Bill Nye.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1058808]This is my issue with a "professed" scientist. You declare no proof will change your view on the matter (no pun) regardless of what it is. How can people call this sham a scientist? No scientist would ever say anything like this as noted by the response from Bill Nye.

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Agreed. Ham (and many other Christians & theists) erroneously asserts that the infinite truth is, in fact, knowable to us finite beings. He compounds this error, by stating this knowledge can be gained by [I]ignoring[/I] our five senses. His is simply the flip side to atheistic claims that the universe is [I]bound[/I] by our five senses (i.e. - if a thing's existence in the universe cannot be discovered by our five senses, it does not exist in the universe. Thus, the universe itself is [I]not[/I] infinite but, rather, is limited to the ever expanding human ability to see, hear, feel, taste or smell the universe).

Ham seems a nice enough person - as does Nye for that matter, but claims to ownership of [I]any[/I] of the universe's "Ultimate Truths" is a sure path to destruction - either your own or that of others.

In the timeless (and contemptuous) words of Pontius Pilot ..."What is truth?"

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[quote=NC_Skins;1058776][url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/04/271383099/creationism-vs-evolution-the-debate-is-live-tonight?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook]Creationism Vs. Evolution: The Debate Is Live Tonight : The Two-Way : NPR[/url]


Science vs Creationism


Bill Nye vs Kent Ham


Good debate. Thought this is a good place to post this as well.[/quote]

So the debate is Ham on Nye? I'll have mine with cheese and mayo, please.

I'm with JoeRed. Creationists like Ham always end up twisting facts and arguing ridiculous things. And, as NC pointed out, to say that "No evidence can sway my position" is not only unscientific, it is downright anti-scientific. Just shows that Ham is uninformed about scientific method.

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[quote=Giantone;1058761]Now you're just starting trouble , you know RR is going to get you ,hell or high water ![/quote]

I see no reason for trouble. The list of atheist religions is long. This list includes, but is not limited to:

Philosophical Daoism
Indian Buddhism
Advaita Vedanta Hinduism
traditional Sioux metaphysics
Ojibwa metaphysics

Anyone who attacks or supports religion solely on the concept of God misses this fact that there are many atheist religions.

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A painting assumes a painter. Creation assumes a Creator.

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[quote=Giantone;1058993]A painting assumes a painter. [B]Creation assumes a Creator.[/B][/quote]

Nope.

Several religions, Daoism being one of them, talk about creation as an impersonal process. They describe creation as a natural unfolding of the universe without a creator God getting involved at all. For example, we can talk about the big bang as a sacred event which created a sacred universe, but creation in this case would happen through atomic processes, not the activities of a supreme being.

Thus it is perfectly possible to have creation without a creator.

There is so much in our Universe to be awed by that the supernatural should not part of the discussion unless entertaining children.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059240]There is so much in our Universe to be awed by that the supernatural should not part of the discussion unless entertaining children.

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So, to paraphrase your comment:

There is so much in our universe that our minds can't fathom, and that science can't explain, that we should not entertain thoughts outside of our understanding, lest we acknowledge that we are as children are to adults in our knowledge of all that is possible.


Your statement is unfathomable.

That's an interesting and deliberate skew of my statement. You must be a Theist.

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[quote=Lotus;1059228]Nope.

Several religions, Daoism being one of them, talk about creation as an impersonal process. They describe creation as a natural unfolding of the universe without a creator God getting involved at all. For example, we can talk about the big bang as a sacred event which created a sacred universe, but creation in this case would happen through atomic processes, not the activities of a supreme being.

Thus it is perfectly possible to have creation without a creator.[/quote]
Don't buy it .

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059240]There is so much in our Universe to be awed by that the supernatural should not part of the discussion unless entertaining children.

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Where are you on the scale?

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[quote=Giantone;1059284]Don't buy it .

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There are many very solid theories on how the Universe came into being that far exceed the stupidity of a dude working in the dark for a few days before he remembers to create the sun.

You don't buy it? Who are you, again?

At least Lotus has invested his time trying to find an answer, which I can respect. This won't stop me antagonizing him to make him go away, however.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059294]There are many very solid theories on how the Universe came into being

Who are you, again?

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Yes there are and who the eff are you ,no one .

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