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[quote=Chico23231;1040934]Was everybody here excited about our last college hire spurrier? Were people on board? Considered probably top 3 coach in college , more known as an offensive genius. I wasn't that excited and thought it might end as a disaster. It did. Im not sure about a college coach.[/quote]I don't think there's really any difference between a college coach and a pro coach. There's a wider spread of coaching ability in college because theres more jobs to fill, but your chances of making a bad hire among NFL lifers is the same as making a bad hire among college lifers. Spurrier was a bad hire. So was Shanahan.

But I think that all of the really, really promising coaches are in the college ranks right now. I think a lot of them will find their way into the NFL soon enough. And some will fail. But many will succeed.

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[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/11/14/darrell-green-questions-the-state-of-the-redskins/]Darrell Green questions the state of the Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]

" I just feel so bad that you would have a system where it's all predicated on this guy running. He's the second rusher on the team. It doesn't work, in my opinion."

Thank you DGreen. While he thinks we should stay the course, he thinks Robert is being misused and ought to be a pocket passer. I don't see how he can want to stay the course and overlook the people who put the system in place?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1040935]I don't think there's really any difference between a college coach and a pro coach. There's a wider spread of coaching ability in college because theres more jobs to fill, but your chances of making a bad hire among NFL lifers is the same as making a bad hire among college lifers. Spurrier was a bad hire. So was Shanahan.

But I think that all of the really, really promising coaches are in the college ranks right now. I think a lot of them will find their way into the NFL soon enough. And some will fail. But many will succeed.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Its just a numbers game, and that goes both ways. There are hundreds of coaches/ coordinators. There are 32 head coaches in the nfl. I think there are some very promising coaches in the nfl, problem is why would say, one of the Harbaugh brothers, leave to come here? They wouldnt. Coaches in the nfl bounce around usually because they get fired. Its a jump to come to the nfl from college.
Edit: i think the other "promising" HC prospects are some of the OC's and DC's already in the NFL.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;1040913]Closely akin to Jobu the baseball god.

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Looks like a thawed out freezer doll

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[quote=GTripp0012;1040935]I don't think there's really any difference between a college coach and a pro coach. There's a wider spread of coaching ability in college because theres more jobs to fill, but your chances of making a bad hire among NFL lifers is the same as making a bad hire among college lifers. Spurrier was a bad hire. So was Shanahan.

But I think that all of the really, really promising coaches are in the college ranks right now. I think a lot of them will find their way into the NFL soon enough. And some will fail. But many will succeed.[/quote]

So u didnt think at the time the best offensive coach in college was a good hire at that time? I'd thin k sumlin would be an extremely risky hire. I don't know if I'd feel good about most. Shaw would my choice if so. Maybe Sabin 2nd.

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Per Darrell Green's comment and the whole running QB issue, it baffles me how anyone who actually watches pro football can be "ok" with the offense. This offense only works if RG is in effect a rotating RB. Defenses dominate us otherwise. They dominate our oline, dominate our receivers and even slow the run game significantly. The whole offensive scheme is based on a running QB, which is flat out asinine when you mortgaged years of the franchise success on that player.

When we at least won some games last year and you could fool yourself into believing this was a serious team I could give people the benefit of the doubt, but now that Mike's back to losing like he has for nearly a decade it blows me away to hear anyone supporting this. We have a garbage defensive scheme/structure, garbage special teams, and a totally unsustainable offense.

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[quote=The Goat;1040942]Per Darrell Green's comment and the whole running QB issue, it baffles me how anyone who actually watches pro football can be "ok" with the offense. This offense only works if RG is in effect a rotating RB. Defenses dominate us otherwise. They dominate our oline, dominate our receivers and even slow the run game significantly. The whole offensive scheme is based on a running QB, which is flat out asinine when you mortgaged years of the franchise success on that player.

When we at least won some games last year and you could fool yourself into believing this was a serious team I could give people the benefit of the doubt, but now that Mike's back to losing like he has for nearly a decade it blows me away to hear anyone supporting this. We have a garbage defensive scheme/structure, garbage special teams, and a totally unsustainable offense.[/quote]

Man high five Goat. Absolutely. The Shanahans are so committed to a Randall Cunningham/Mike Vick hybrid, they would draft cousins and rather him rot, than let our QB throw the ball.
4 QB's to start the season and we play the hurt one and change nothing.
4 TE's, one of which tagged, and when we don't like him after the fact, we bench him and withhold $.5 million bonus.
That's so Redskins to spend millions to save pennies. Just like investing $35million in Mike who in turn hires his son to run the offense. This is the biggest concentual bank heist in sports history.

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Griffin isn't throwing the ball?

He averaged 26 pass attempts a game last year, this year it's 37.

He's also on pace to throw for 4300 yards vs 3200 last year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1040940]So u didnt think at the time the best offensive coach in college was a good hire at that time? I'd thin k sumlin would be an extremely risky hire. I don't know if I'd feel good about most. Shaw would my choice if so. Maybe Sabin 2nd.[/quote]It's a hindsight criticism. There were no inherent reasons it could not have worked. On the other hand, not even the most devoted Mike Shanahan skeptic could have predicted he would be this inept.

I think every hire is a risky hire, given that Dan Snyder has shown little aptitude to tell the difference between a good interview and a bad interview. Sumlin coaches the offense I would most like to see RG3 in.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040945]Griffin isn't throwing the ball?

He averaged 26 pass attempts a game last year, this year it's 37.

He's also on pace to throw for 4300 yards vs 3200 last year.[/quote]

Matt- By no way am I going to try to convince you. You love the Shanahans, want our QB running the ball, and fully endorse the stat argument that Rob is a pocket passer b/c he throws the ball more than last year.
What I find troubling is people who defend Kyle with your type interjections. We have a run game in Alfred= we don't need Robert to run. Robert running= less of Roberto's career. When Robert is hurt= the season comes to an end prematurely or he is played regardless if we have a capable backup.
Kyle runs an ineffective passing game. Every pass is a play action, idk what % but WR's line up in the backfield behind or next to rob, last Vikings game had 7+ screen passes behind the line of scrimmage. -1 yd pass attempts are not the same thing as passing downfield. But the Kyle defense will say it is b/c technically it leaves the QB's hand in a forward direction. I don't need split hairs argued to me.
Roberts #'s are up. Figuring we are in countless garbage minute games, how much of that is garbage stats?. Maybe the fact that teams would rather give up dink and dunk passes b/c they know the team has wasted 3/4th of the game running RB/QB and trail by 15pts they can afford garbage stats.
Maybe Rob is regaining yardage on yards he lost scrambling or running in the backfield.
Garçons #'s are up. Besides Reed, has anybody else caught a single pass all season? No! Well, I support Hank. The whole point I make is take away robs runs and give to Alfred or use passing downfield to receivers.
I love the offense. It's fun on my NCAA '13 game. But it's f'n insane to read people attacking opposition to Kyle with out of context stats like we are on course for wins, postseason, Super Bowl, and championships. Unless you have a different math that 3-6 is a good thing, face facts. 2012 7 game win streak is still < fantasy of Kyle having a logical system and Robert being the dream pocket passer alluded by their defense.
I think every QB on every team is able to pass more in this new era. 3 1st round draft picks ought to have bought us a QB not a RB/QB hybrid. We are trying to get RINGS not RatINGS and marketing dollars.

Even if we had a the '85 Bears defense, my complaints would be the same= let the RB run, pass the ball downfield, and play solid defense. I think we are all old enough to remember what the nfl was.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1040954]Matt- By no way am I going to try to convince you. You love the Shanahans, want our QB running the ball, and fully endorse the stat argument that Rob is a pocket passer b/c he throws the ball more than last year.
What I find troubling is people who defend Kyle with your type interjections. We have a run game in Alfred= we don't need Robert to run. Robert running= less of Roberto's career. When Robert is hurt= the season comes to an end prematurely or he is played regardless if we have a capable backup.
Kyle runs an ineffective passing game. Every pass is a play action, idk what % but WR's line up in the backfield behind or next to rob, last Vikings game had 7+ screen passes behind the line of scrimmage. -1 yd pass attempts are not the same thing as passing downfield. But the Kyle defense will say it is b/c technically it leaves the QB's hand in a forward direction. I don't need split hairs argued to me.
Roberts #'s are up. Figuring we are in countless garbage minute games, how much of that is garbage stats?. Maybe the fact that teams would rather give up dink and dunk passes b/c they know the team has wasted 3/4th of the game running RB/QB and trail by 15pts they can afford garbage stats.
Maybe Rob is regaining yardage on yards he lost scrambling or running in the backfield.
Garçons #'s are up. Besides Reed, has anybody else caught a single pass all season? No! Well, I support Hank. The whole point I make is take away robs runs and give to Alfred or use passing downfield to receivers.
I love the offense. It's fun on my NCAA '13 game. But it's f'n insane to read people attacking opposition to Kyle with out of context stats like we are on course for wins, postseason, Super Bowl, and championships. Unless you have a different math that 3-6 is a good thing, face facts. 2012 7 game win streak is still < fantasy of Kyle having a logical system and Robert being the dream pocket passer alluded by their defense.
I think every QB on every team is able to pass more in this new era. 3 1st round draft picks ought to have bought us a QB not a RB/QB hybrid. We are trying to get RINGS not RatINGS and marketing dollars.

Even if we had a the '85 Bears defense, my complaints would be the same= let the RB run, pass the ball downfield, and play solid defense. I think we are all old enough to remember what the nfl was.[/quote]

You're assuming a lot about what I think. I wish I could decipher what you're saying so I could respond a little better but you tend to be all over the place.

So basically the offense doesn't look the way you want? It's hard to argue with the bottom line though, they're top 10 in yards and points again this year. As far as wins go I'd look to the other side of the ball to figure out why we're only 3-6.

I know you don't like to hear that he's throwing more and running less as it goes against your off the wall exaggerations. I'll never understand why people like you want to force him to be a pure pocket passer when he has the crazy athletic skills that he does.

I'm sure in time the plan is to have him running less and operating out of the pocket more, as indicated by the fact his passes are up this year and runs are down, but given the fact he was rehabbing his knee all offseason they weren't able to work on developing his passing skills as much as they would have liked.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040972]You're assuming a lot about what I think. I wish I could decipher what you're saying so I could respond a little better but you tend to be all over the place.

So basically the offense doesn't look the way you want? It's hard to argue with the bottom line though, they're top 10 in yards and points again this year. As far as wins go I'd look to the other side of the ball to figure out why we're only 3-6.

I know you don't like to hear that he's throwing more and running less as it goes against your off the wall generalizations. I'll never understand why people like you want to force him to be a pure pocket passer when he has the crazy athletic skills that he does.

I'm sure in time the plan is to have him running less and operating out of the pocket more, as indicated by the fact his passes are up this year and runs are down, but given the fact he was rehabbing his knee all offseason they weren't able to work on developing his passing skills as much as they would have liked.[/quote]

I think it comes down to why mortgage the future for a QB that really wasn't pro ready? And hoped that one day he could be a great passer. It seems like the Redskins love to give away picks through the Snyder years and it's one of the reasons we're never a contender to win a Super Bowl. I think RG3 will work his ass off to become better, but the trade has somewhat hurt the depth of the team. Hindsight is 20/20, but if we kept the picks, and drafted Wilson or Cousins to be the starter, I believe this team might be better off.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1040954]Matt- By no way am I going to try to convince you. You love the Shanahans, want our QB running the ball, and fully endorse the stat argument that Rob is a pocket passer b/c he throws the ball more than last year.
What I find troubling is people who defend Kyle with your type interjections. We have a run game in Alfred= we don't need Robert to run. Robert running= less of Roberto's career. When Robert is hurt= the season comes to an end prematurely or he is played regardless if we have a capable backup.
Kyle runs an ineffective passing game. Every pass is a play action, idk what % but WR's line up in the backfield behind or next to rob, last Vikings game had 7+ screen passes behind the line of scrimmage. -1 yd pass attempts are not the same thing as passing downfield. But the Kyle defense will say it is b/c technically it leaves the QB's hand in a forward direction. I don't need split hairs argued to me.
Roberts #'s are up. Figuring we are in countless garbage minute games, how much of that is garbage stats?. Maybe the fact that teams would rather give up dink and dunk passes b/c they know the team has wasted 3/4th of the game running RB/QB and trail by 15pts they can afford garbage stats.
Maybe Rob is regaining yardage on yards he lost scrambling or running in the backfield.
Garçons #'s are up. Besides Reed, has anybody else caught a single pass all season? No! Well, I support Hank. The whole point I make is take away robs runs and give to Alfred or use passing downfield to receivers.
I love the offense. It's fun on my NCAA '13 game. But it's f'n insane to read people attacking opposition to Kyle with out of context stats like we are on course for wins, postseason, Super Bowl, and championships. Unless you have a different math that 3-6 is a good thing, face facts. 2012 7 game win streak is still < fantasy of Kyle having a logical system and Robert being the dream pocket passer alluded by their defense.
I think every QB on every team is able to pass more in this new era. 3 1st round draft picks ought to have bought us a QB not a RB/QB hybrid. We are trying to get RINGS not RatINGS and marketing dollars.

Even if we had a the '85 Bears defense, my complaints would be the same= let the RB run, pass the ball downfield, and play solid defense. I think we are all old enough to remember what the nfl was.[/quote]

Great post GMM.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1040974]I think it comes down to why mortgage the future for a QB that really wasn't pro ready? And hoped that one day he could be a great passer. It seems like the Redskins love to give away picks through the Snyder years and it's one of the reasons we're never a contender to win a Super Bowl. I think RG3 will work his ass off to become better, but the trade has somewhat hurt the depth of the team. Hindsight is 20/20, but if we kept the picks, and drafted Wilson or Cousins to be the starter, I believe this team might be better off.[/quote]

Plenty of QBs coming out of college aren't truly "pro ready".

Wasn't he rookie of the year? Just checking.

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good debates in this thread, as for QB goes I don't blink an eye even today for RG3. The dude is a true "FRANCHISE" QB and u can't pass that up. As for coaching..... I'm just about ready for a change, especially if we end up below .500

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Kaepernick has had an extra year and one may argue that he still is not pro ready. Wilson and Tannehill have had their struggles with moving to the pros. Even Luck has moments when you doubt his pro readiness.

Spending a boatload of picks on RGIII doesn't mean we should expect to get instant Peyton Manning.

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At the end of the day growing pains are to be expected with young QBs.

I still find it amazing we spend so much time focused on the side of the ball that is actually having success.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1040979]good debates in this thread, as for QB goes I don't blink an eye even today for RG3. The dude is a true "FRANCHISE" QB and u can't pass that up. As for coaching..... I'm just about ready for a change, especially if we end up below .500[/quote]

You're too kind

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[quote=GTripp0012;1040946]It's a hindsight criticism. There were no inherent reasons it could not have worked. On the other hand, not even the most devoted Mike Shanahan skeptic could have predicted he would be this inept.

I think every hire is a risky hire, given that Dan Snyder has shown little aptitude to tell the difference between a good interview and a bad interview. Sumlin coaches the offense I would most like to see RG3 in.[/quote]

Just saying those flavor of the month college offense genius coaches, its a risky option. How's that pistol offense doing this year? Yeah not so great.

The Shanny hire wasnt bad, about getting the house in order more than anything. Organization is in a much better place than it was before. Shanny has alot to do with that. Has it transfered to wins on the field, not exactly which is disappointing. Like I said before, i dont really care if he stays or goes. I just dont want a knee jerk hire which sets us back...and like you said before, this team is not that far off which I believe is true.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1040984]You're too kind[/quote]


LOL why is that?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1040989]LOL why is that?[/quote]

I think you know

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haha have no idea smoot but I'll take it

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For those complaining about the offense:

[U]Offense[/U]

Points: Avg 25.6 (9th)
Yards: Avg 410.4 (5th)
Pass Yards: 259.2 (10th)
Rush Yards: 151.2 (3rd)

[U]Defense[/U]

Points: Avg 31.9 (31st)
Yards: Avg 388.6 (27th)
Pass Yards: 274.8 (26th)
Rush Yards: 113.8 (16th)

We have a [B]6th ranked offense[/B] and a [B]25th ranked defense[/B].

So this is what I'm reading from you guys: RGIII is not a pro quarterback, the zone-blocking scheme doesn't work, Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired, the offensive line is horrible, the offense isn't scoring enough points.

The defense gives up [COLOR="Red"]31.9[/COLOR] points per ball game - [U]31st[/U] in the league. The offense scores [COLOR="SeaGreen"]25.6 [/COLOR]points per ball game - [U]9th[/U] in the league.

So a 9th ranked scoring offense warrants being blown up while nobody talks about the 31st ranked defense giving up over 30 points a ball game? Amazing. SMH.

Instead of going with a new direction on defense (and special teams), bringing their rank up from 31st (in points allowed) to say, 16th (middle of the road) and maintaining a top 10 offense in scoring, there's no way this team improves in the win column? You're not willing to address the specific areas that need address, you'd rather hit the nuke button on the whole thing? I'm so glad you guys aren't GM's and coaches.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040903][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/14/baylor-could-be-bracing-for-a-redskins-rush-on-art-briles/]Baylor could be bracing for a Redskins rush on Art Briles | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I don't like the thought of a move like this. This is the same guy who had RG III operating without a playbook in college. He is quoted as saying as much. Stay in college this isn't your game here in the NFL.

Matty had the best point a few posts ago, everyone is looking at the wrong side of the ball.

Look to the D and Special Teams to be able to field a winner, not the offense.

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[quote=skinsguy;1040999]For those complaining about the offense:

[U]Offense[/U]

Points: Avg 25.6 (9th)
Yards: Avg 410.4 (5th)
Pass Yards: 259.2 (10th)
Rush Yards: 151.2 (3rd)

[U]Defense[/U]

Points: Avg 31.9 (31st)
Yards: Avg 388.6 (27th)
Pass Yards: 274.8 (26th)
Rush Yards: 113.8 (16th)

We have a [B]6th ranked offense[/B] and a [B]25th ranked defense[/B].

So this is what I'm reading from you guys: RGIII is not a pro quarterback, the zone-blocking scheme doesn't work, Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired, the offensive line is horrible, the offense isn't scoring enough points.

The defense gives up [COLOR="Red"]31.9[/COLOR] points per ball game - [U]31st[/U] in the league. The offense scores [COLOR="SeaGreen"]25.6 [/COLOR]points per ball game - [U]9th[/U] in the league.

So a 9th ranked scoring offense warrants being blown up while nobody talks about the 31st ranked defense giving up over 30 points a ball game? Amazing. SMH.

Instead of going with a new direction on defense (and special teams), bringing their rank up from 31st (in points allowed) to say, 16th (middle of the road) and maintaining a top 10 offense in scoring, there's no way this team improves in the win column? You're not willing to address the specific areas that need address, you'd rather hit the nuke button on the whole thing? I'm so glad you guys aren't GM's and coaches.[/quote]

Well done. Good post.

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[quote=skinsguy;1040999]For those complaining about the offense:

[U]Offense[/U]

Points: Avg 25.6 (9th)
Yards: Avg 410.4 (5th)
Pass Yards: 259.2 (10th)
Rush Yards: 151.2 (3rd)

[U]Defense[/U]

Points: Avg 31.9 (31st)
Yards: Avg 388.6 (27th)
Pass Yards: 274.8 (26th)
Rush Yards: 113.8 (16th)

We have a [B]6th ranked offense[/B] and a [B]25th ranked defense[/B].

So this is what I'm reading from you guys: RGIII is not a pro quarterback, the zone-blocking scheme doesn't work, Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired, the offensive line is horrible, the offense isn't scoring enough points.

The defense gives up [COLOR=red]31.9[/COLOR] points per ball game - [U]31st[/U] in the league. The offense scores [COLOR=seagreen]25.6 [/COLOR]points per ball game - [U]9th[/U] in the league.

So a 9th ranked scoring offense warrants being blown up while nobody talks about the 31st ranked defense giving up over 30 points a ball game? Amazing. SMH.

Instead of going with a new direction on defense (and special teams), bringing their rank up from 31st (in points allowed) to say, 16th (middle of the road) and maintaining a top 10 offense in scoring, there's no way this team improves in the win column? You're not willing to address the specific areas that need address, you'd rather hit the nuke button on the whole thing? I'm so glad you guys aren't GM's and coaches.[/quote]

Strong post.

Thread ender IMO.

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Offense def better than the defense. But it struggled immensly the first four games.

Foolish to just say the defense is to blame, especially dumb not to mention Special Teams at all. They are more a contributing factor than most think and especially key in several losses.

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[quote=Chico23231;1041006]Offense def better than the defense. But it struggled immensly the first four games.

Foolish to just say the defense is to blame, especially dumb not to mention Special Teams at all. They are more a contributing factor than most think and especially key in several losses.[/quote]

I don't think anybody is letting the offense off the hook, but when you're getting outscored 25.6 - 31.9 and you factor in all the other numbers and rankings, it's easy to see where the majority of the blame lies. Yet most of our focus is on RG3 and Kyle. Dumb.

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Rg3 has been great the last few games

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[quote=Mattyk;1041007]I don't think anybody is letting the offense off the hook, but when you're getting outscored 25.6 - 31.9 and you factor in all the other numbers and rankings, it's easy to see where the majority of the blame lies. [B]Yet most of our focus is on RG3 and Kyle. Dumb[/B].[/quote]

Yeah, if you want to pick apart and look for reasons of "why", i dont think you start with RG3 and Kyle. Its been improving, and thats what you look for down the stretch. If you want to point fingers on offense, I think you look to inconsistent play of the Oline outside of Silverback, lack of receiver play outside of Garcon. Those who want to point a finger at Garcon. Dumb.

What I want to know is who the hell is letting the D or the ST off the hook?
I think it just comes down to both of those units are so far from fixable. Nothing can be done about them this year. However the offense is damn near fully functional. So to ask for it to be alittle better (enough to win the close games atleast) is a realistic option. That is not the case with D or ST. We know they suck.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040978][B]Plenty of QBs coming out of college aren't truly "pro ready".[/B]

Wasn't he rookie of the year? Just checking.[/quote]

Well that's true, I just don't see teams giving away multiple high drafts picks for one that isn't "pro ready". Right about now, we need those picks badly. The way it's looking, one of those picks is going to be a top 5 pick.

RG3 deserved ROY, but it easily could have went to Luck or Wilson. He won it mainly because of his threat to run the ball, which was fine for last year. But this offense has to evolve, which I think it will. I just don't trust Kyle to let it evolve.

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[quote=Mattyk;1041007]I don't think anybody is letting the offense off the hook, but when you're getting outscored 25.6 - 31.9 and you factor in all the other numbers and rankings, it's easy to see where the majority of the blame lies. Yet most of our focus is on RG3 and Kyle. Dumb.[/quote]

The focus is only there because Shanny apologists doggedly (like over and over and over and over) point to the offense as a defense of the current regime.

The same offense that can't score points when it matters. Couldn't score against a horrible Denver defense and even worst Vikings defense for an entire half of the game.

In a phrase, it's the most inconsistent, underwhelming top 10 offense I've ever seen. Inconsistent in both the short and long run, btw. Running the QB, especially one who's already suffered major injuries and definitely isn't the burly body type of a Cunningham for instance, isn't tenable.

So I don't know, ban me and/or shut the thread and discussion down I guess. We've all had our say and now it's just waiting for the end of the Shanahan era...

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[quote=punch it in;1041023]What I want to know is who the hell is letting the D or the ST off the hook?
I think it just comes down to both of those units are so far from fixable. Nothing can be done about them this year. However the offense is damn near fully functional. So to ask for it to be alittle better (enough to win the close games atleast) is a realistic option. That is not the case with D or ST. We know they suck.[/quote]

Out of the 8 teams ahead of the Redskins in average points scored, only the Denver Broncos average more points scored per game than what the Redskins defense is giving up. Let that sink in for a bit. The Saints come in at 2nd place averaging 29.4 points per ball game - not enough to compensate for the points the defense gives up. All top ten of the offenses are separated by a point or two or three (and even separated by a tenth of a point), with the exception of the Denver Broncos who are averaging over 41 points per ball game.

So, your argument is that the offense needs to do better because there is no hope for the special teams and defense. An offense that is only separated by about three points from the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league - needs to do better? That just isn't a logical argument. Your other argument is someone needs to be punished for the poor effort of the defense and special teams. Yes, I agree. How about we punish the defensive coordinator and special teams coach? Seems logical to me. Have them jettisoned out of Washington in favor of someone else who provides a better effort? Pair Mike Shanahan with a defense that is in the top ten in points allowed. Then we see if it was truly a mistake to bring Shanahan in.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1041008]Rg3 has been great the last few games[/quote]

So you think he played "great" in the second half of the Vikings game?? lol. Um, not quite. No question he's playing better the last two weeks, but I don't think "great" is the word. Drew Brees last week? 400 yards and 4 td's.... That's more like what I would call a "great" performance. But again, RG3 is picking up his play.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1040954]Matt- By no way am I going to try to convince you. You love the Shanahans, want our QB running the ball, and fully endorse the stat argument that Rob is a pocket passer b/c he throws the ball more than last year.
What I find troubling is people who defend Kyle with your type interjections. We have a run game in Alfred= we don't need Robert to run. Robert running= less of Roberto's career. When Robert is hurt= the season comes to an end prematurely or he is played regardless if we have a capable backup.
Kyle runs an ineffective passing game. Every pass is a play action, idk what % but WR's line up in the backfield behind or next to rob, last Vikings game had 7+ screen passes behind the line of scrimmage. -1 yd pass attempts are not the same thing as passing downfield. But the Kyle defense will say it is b/c technically it leaves the QB's hand in a forward direction. I don't need split hairs argued to me.
Roberts #'s are up. Figuring we are in countless garbage minute games, how much of that is garbage stats?. Maybe the fact that teams would rather give up dink and dunk passes b/c they know the team has wasted 3/4th of the game running RB/QB and trail by 15pts they can afford garbage stats.
Maybe Rob is regaining yardage on yards he lost scrambling or running in the backfield.
Garçons #'s are up. Besides Reed, has anybody else caught a single pass all season? No! Well, I support Hank. The whole point I make is take away robs runs and give to Alfred or use passing downfield to receivers.
I love the offense. It's fun on my NCAA '13 game. But it's f'n insane to read people attacking opposition to Kyle with out of context stats like we are on course for wins, postseason, Super Bowl, and championships. Unless you have a different math that 3-6 is a good thing, face facts. 2012 7 game win streak is still < fantasy of Kyle having a logical system and Robert being the dream pocket passer alluded by their defense.
I think every QB on every team is able to pass more in this new era. 3 1st round draft picks ought to have bought us a QB not a RB/QB hybrid. We are trying to get RINGS not RatINGS and marketing dollars.

Even if we had a the '85 Bears defense, my complaints would be the same= let the RB run, pass the ball downfield, and play solid defense. I think we are all old enough to remember what the nfl was.[/quote]

Guessing you were going for dramatic effect with the exaggerations?

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[quote=skinsguy;1040999]For those complaining about the offense:

[U]Offense[/U]

Points: Avg 25.6 (9th)
Yards: Avg 410.4 (5th)
Pass Yards: 259.2 (10th)
Rush Yards: 151.2 (3rd)

[U]Defense[/U]

Points: Avg 31.9 (31st)
Yards: Avg 388.6 (27th)
Pass Yards: 274.8 (26th)
Rush Yards: 113.8 (16th)

We have a [B]6th ranked offense[/B] and a [B]25th ranked defense[/B].

So this is what I'm reading from you guys: RGIII is not a pro quarterback, the zone-blocking scheme doesn't work, Kyle Shanahan needs to be fired, the offensive line is horrible, the offense isn't scoring enough points.

The defense gives up [COLOR=red]31.9[/COLOR] points per ball game - [U]31st[/U] in the league. The offense scores [COLOR=seagreen]25.6 [/COLOR]points per ball game - [U]9th[/U] in the league.

So a 9th ranked scoring offense warrants being blown up while nobody talks about the 31st ranked defense giving up over 30 points a ball game? Amazing. SMH.

Instead of going with a new direction on defense (and special teams), bringing their rank up from 31st (in points allowed) to say, 16th (middle of the road) and maintaining a top 10 offense in scoring, there's no way this team improves in the win column? You're not willing to address the specific areas that need address, you'd rather hit the nuke button on the whole thing? I'm so glad you guys aren't GM's and coaches.[/quote]

People love to throw around stats here. lol. We win last week if the offense could score from the 1 yard line and not gt basically shut out in the 2nd half. We win if Rak and Kerrigan could get a damn sack. We win if Rocco would stop shanking punts...get my point? We're 3-6 because of all three phases. To blame one more than the other seems pointless to me. This team needs help everywhere.

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I hope we dont lose double digits this year, this board is gonna get crazy if we are this far gone already.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1041030]So you think he played "great" in the second half of the Vikings game?? lol. Um, not quite. No question he's playing better the last two weeks, but I don't think "great" is the word. Drew Brees last week? 400 yards and 4 td's.... That's more like what I would call a "great" performance. But again, RG3 is picking up his play.[/quote]

Not many of the young QB's are having great games. They play well for halves (like Andrew Luck last night) but they are all showing inconsistencies which should be expected from young QBs.

Also the second half against the Vikings to me was more about the terrible play by the offensive line than RG3. They couldn't block anyone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1041032]People love to throw around stats here. lol. We win last week if the offense could score from the 1 yard line and not gt basically shut out in the 2nd half. We win if Rak and Kerrigan could get a damn sack. We win if Rocco would stop shanking punts...get my point? We're 3-6 because of all three phases. To blame one more than the other seems pointless to me. This team needs help everywhere.[/quote]

Yes I get your point. Thanks for proving mine. If Orakpo and Kerrigan get more sacks, the defense allows fewer points. If special teams don't give up big plays, the team has a better chance at winning more ball games. Exactly what I've been saying. A team with a 9th ranked offense in points scored should easily win more ball games with improved special teams and defensive play.