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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051608][html][/html]

Who says the texans are passing on him? All reports you hear right now are BS[/quote]

Interesting that you're saying to pump the brakes on this rumor, but you're all in on any negative report regarding Griffin.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051610]IMO Lovie is less of a risk. We can't afford to take big risks at this point. Lovies an excellent proven head coach who commands respect. Pair him with an offensive coordinator who can get rg3 to accept coaching and become a better player, and we have a recipe for success[/quote]

We can't go much lower than this, why not take a risk?

Shanahan was supposed to be a safe pick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051610]IMO Lovie is less of a risk. We can't afford to take big risks at this point. Lovies an excellent proven head coach who commands respect. Pair him with an offensive coordinator who can get rg3 to accept coaching and become a better player, and we have a recipe for success[/quote]

There is no safe pick when it comes to selecting a Head Coach.

A coach with a "proven" track record is just as risky as a coordinator, a college coach or any other type of coach.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051615]We can't go much lower than this, why not take a risk?

Shanahan was supposed to be a safe pick.[/quote]

Who are you thinking?

All the talk about what Shanny inherited, he has left a heaping pile of shit for the next coach. What an effing bum

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[quote=The Goat;1051685]Who are you thinking?[/quote]

I'm really not locked in on any one guy. I'm more interested in seeing what we do at GM first.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051707]I'm really not locked in on any one guy. I'm more interested in seeing what we do at GM first.[/quote]

This is my #1 concern atm too. It all starts at GM and what direction he wants to go with the team.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051707]I'm really not locked in on any one guy. I'm more interested in seeing what we do at GM first.[/quote]

So as long as the new GM chooses a risky HC...you're good. Got it.

[QUOTE=The Goat;1051711]So as long as the new GM chooses a risky HC...you're good. Got it.[/QUOTE]

Well in all fairness who else is going to make the decision on who our knew hc is?

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Not trying to bust anyone's balls on HC preferences, but unless something big happens I don't think there's a more qualified candidate available than Lovie. Guys like Briles, even Obrien are def risky, but it's unclear if there's potential high reward to justify the risk. For one thing, both those guys will need huge help creating an nfl caliber staff. Not saying they can't do it eventually, but it's unlikely to come together in a single off-season. And they're coming into a situation where character and leadership have to be absolutely solid. This team hasn't had that in its coaching in four years. You get all those things automatically with Lovie. Character. Leadership. Full staff.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051612]Interesting that you're saying to pump the brakes on this rumor, but you're all in on any negative report regarding Griffin.[/quote]

This is a rumor about a head coaching position.... Every year a huge percent of these turn out to be BS. The stuff about rg3 is, by all reports, true. They may not be fully representative of everything about rg3 as a human being, but they are reports of actual events.... Not rumors of potential future events, as with a coaching hire.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051707]I'm really not locked in on any one guy. I'm more interested in seeing what we do at GM first.[/quote]

I agree. But to an extent it's somewhat contingent on what kind of coach you want to hire. For example, if we wanted to bring in Jon Gruden, then Allen would just hire him and we'd have a similar structure as we do now. I would imagine if you want Lovie, you hire him and let him pick a GM. Otherwise, you hire a GM and let him pick a coach.

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[quote=The Goat;1051723]Not trying to bust anyone's balls on HC preferences, but unless something big happens I don't think there's a more qualified candidate available than Lovie. Guys like Briles, even Obrien are def risky, but it's unclear if there's potential high reward to justify the risk. For one thing, both those guys will need huge help creating an nfl caliber staff. Not saying they can't do it eventually, but it's unlikely to come together in a single off-season. And they're coming into a situation where character and leadership have to be absolutely solid. This team hasn't had that in its coaching in four years. You get all those things automatically with Lovie. Character. Leadership. Full staff.[/quote]

Why are you so confident that Lovie is a safe pick? Hiring a head coach that had won 2 SB's, and had a winning record over a 15 year career as a head coach seems like a pretty safe move to any reasonable person, and yet Mike Shanahan is going to finish his worthless career here with a worse record than Jim Zorn did. 3-13? Fuck this asshole and his shitty ego, his shitty coaching staff, and everything else associated with him.

Haven't you learned by now there are no safe picks in this job? What a ridiculous assumption. I want a head coach that's going to win Super Bowls. Notice the s at the end of that sentence? Lovie had plenty of time to do that in Chicago, and he didn't come close. If the guy that can do that is the "riskiest" move, so be it. I don't want some guy who's going to be 8-8 year after year, just barely doing enough to keep his job.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051736]This is a rumor about a head coaching position.... Every year a huge percent of these turn out to be BS. The stuff about rg3 is, [B]by all reports[/B], true. They may not be fully representative of everything about rg3 as a human being, but they are reports of actual events.... Not rumors of potential future events, as with a coaching hire.[/quote]

So even the reports where his teammates stand up for him are true? Or is it just the reports from anonymous sources that call him an egotistical jerk who doesn't want to listen, or is too busy being buddy buddy with DS, etc true?

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[quote=mooby;1051743]So even the reports where his teammates stand up for him are true? Or is it just the reports from anonymous sources that call him an egotistical jerk who doesn't want to listen, or is too busy being buddy buddy with DS, etc true?[/quote]

Who says they aren't all true? Just because he's a diva doesn't mean teammates aren't going to publically stand up for him. It also doesn't mean he's the devil with no redeeming qualities. Just that, right now, he's not consistently displaying the qualities you want from your starting quarterback.

[QUOTE=mooby;1051743]So even the reports where his teammates stand up for him are true? Or is it just the reports from anonymous sources that call him an egotistical jerk who doesn't want to listen, or is too busy being buddy buddy with DS, etc true?[/QUOTE]

Whole lotta stupid in this thread ... RGIII a uncoachable diva, Lovie Smith the ONLY safe HC'ing choice (He has done exactly what?).

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i have no faith in the higher ups being able to make a good choice for a coach. ugh.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051753]Who says they aren't all true? Just because he's a diva doesn't mean teammates aren't going to publically stand up for him. It also doesn't mean he's the devil with no redeeming qualities. Just that, right now, he's not consistently displaying the qualities you want from your starting quarterback.[/quote]

I'm just saying you can't believe everything you hear. Do I believe that RG3 and Shanny don't like each other? Yes. Everything else is up for debate.

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Can we get a poll option for "someone temporary" while they rebuild for 3 more years before "someone temporary" gets chased out of town by ludicrous expectations, and toxic media?

This isn't the pre Harbaugh 49'ers... this isn't even the pre Singletary 49'ers.

The skins need 3 or 4 years of ACTUAL rebuilding with 1st round draft picks... that means they've got to get past the next couple drafts before the 3 or 4 years really starts.

If we fans are lucky this is the Mike Nolan 49'ers and the next guy is the Mike Singletary, so who cares, bring in a hard ass disciplinarian for a couple years. If we're not lucky this is the Erikson era that's about to end here.

(note literal parallels are not intended)

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[quote=The Goat;1051723]This team hasn't had that in its coaching in four years. You get all those things automatically with Lovie. Character. Leadership. Full staff.[/quote]

You know what you also get with Lovie? Bad time out management, penalty and mistake filled football, terrible clock management, a guy who doesn't do offense at all, and really questionable history of challenges (IIRC one of the worst in the league)...

Hmmm so basically he's a Defense version of Mike Shanahan with worse challenge decisions.

Whatever bring him on, the next guy will do his 1.5 year stint while they (maybe if we're lucky) start building a real team up... Or he'll do his 1.5 years while they continue to throw resources into a dumpster fire.

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double post sorry

Shanny went 24-40 lmao wow

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1051763]Whole lotta stupid in this thread ... RGIII a uncoachable diva, Lovie Smith the ONLY safe HC'ing choice (He has done exactly what?).[/quote]

Oh yes there is a whole lotta stupid

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So we are officially on Coach Watch 2013-2014? Any news? The decision is gonna be made tonight, tomorrow, this week?

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1051819]So we are officially on Coach Watch 2013-2014? Any news? The decision is gonna be made tonight, tomorrow, this week?[/QUOTE]

All the usual news outlets are saying there's a meeting between Shanahan and Snyder tomorrow morning. Probably means it's already done. As honest as politicians.

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It's very classy of Dan to meet with Shanahan. A simple text or email to pack up is deserved. I don't think there's any reasonable criticism of Snyder, he's handled this situation as well as anyone could and shown any potential HC this is a quality ownership.

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[quote=Chico23231;1051819]So we are officially on Coach Watch 2013-2014? Any news? The decision is gonna be made tonight, tomorrow, this week?[/quote]

Hammer drops tomorrow 9am presser

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Todd Bowles has really impressed me as a DC and should be considered as a HC, love his D in Arizona.

Csn said that Russ Grimm and Danny smith were interested in interviewing. Special teams coach to head coach has worked before. That'd be interesting. Grimm would be good as well

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I hated Danny Smith while he was here, I though out special teams was mediocre with him.
After 16 games with Burns as our special teams coach, I am ready for Danny Smith to be head coach.

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[quote=jamf;1051842]I hated Danny Smith while he was here, I though out special teams was mediocre with him.
After 16 games with Burns as our special teams coach, I am ready for Danny Smith to be head coach.[/quote]

Lol!!

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just realized danny is 60. kinda old to be getting the first HC gig. i guess stranger things have happened though

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Danny smith wouldn't be the best solution there

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My vote would be for Jay Gruden. He has been impressive in Cincy and he doesn't even have a good quarterback there.

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[quote=The Goat;1051826] this is a quality ownership.[/quote]

Do we really need to pat ownership on the back for the one time they follow the usual business protocol for firing a coach?

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[quote=44 70 chip;1051789]Can we get a poll option for "someone temporary" while they rebuild for 3 more years before "someone temporary" gets chased out of town by ludicrous expectations, and toxic media?

This isn't the pre Harbaugh 49'ers... this isn't even the pre Singletary 49'ers.

The skins need 3 or 4 years of ACTUAL rebuilding with 1st round draft picks... that means they've got to get past the next couple drafts before the 3 or 4 years really starts.

If we fans are lucky this is the Mike Nolan 49'ers and the next guy is the Mike Singletary, so who cares, bring in a hard ass disciplinarian for a couple years. If we're not lucky this is the Erikson era that's about to end here.

(note literal parallels are not intended)[/quote]

We had a decade of early first round picks, several good ones even, and what did it get us? Zilch.

To say this is a 3-4 year rebuild is a gross over-reaction to this God forsaken season. The same roster won the division just last year. Unless RG3 is a total bust, the Skins ARE NOT "years away" from playoff contention. Only teams with no answer at the QB position are rebuilding. Even the best teams in the league only have 4-8 pro-bowlers.

The roster, as currently constructed, has several pro bowl caliber players and with their full salary cap to work with next year, 5-8 new starters is not inconceivable. Yes, a first round pick would be nice, but having a top 15 pick for the last 10 plus years didn't amount to anything. Having 1 QB playing at a borderline elite level amounted to a 10-6 record, a division title and a 14-0 lead in a playoff game against one of the best teams in the league.

They can easily be right back in the mix next year. Happens every year.

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looks like O'Brien is the hot coach everyone wants right now, will the skins join the sweepstakes?

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1051882]looks like O'Brien is the hot coach everyone wants right now, will the skins join the sweepstakes?[/QUOTE]

I hope so but I don't see him going to dc

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Don't forget the Rooney rule .


[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule]Rooney Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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^ That is what Morris is here for...

Russ Grimm is my choice.