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Just some more light reading. LOL.

[QUOTE]Griffin’s stubbornness was crystallized by a moment in a recent game. After he threw an errant pass and the offensive series ended, he came to the sideline and talked with quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, who was in the coaches' box (not on the sideline as originally reported here).

LaFleur, a former quarterback who never played in the NFL but has coached in the league for six years, began explaining to Griffin that part of the problem with the throw was his poor footwork, an issue that many observers around the league have noted about Griffin as he has struggled this season. As LaFleur continued to talk, Griffin grew impatient and brushed off the instruction.

“I just have to make that throw,” Griffin said, according to two team sources who were aware of the conversation. The reaction was not considered mean-spirited, but it was dismissive and spoke to the larger issue of how difficult Griffin has become to coach this season as he has struggled with physical limitations from his knee injury at the end of the 2012 playoffs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]LaFleur, a former quarterback who never played in the NFL but has coached in the league for six years, began explaining to Griffin that part of the problem with the throw was his poor footwork, an issue that many observers around the league have noted about Griffin as he has struggled this season. As LaFleur continued to talk, Griffin grew impatient and brushed off the instruction.

“I just have to make that throw,” Griffin said, according to two team sources who were aware of the conversation. The reaction was not considered mean-spirited, but it was dismissive and spoke to the larger issue of how difficult Griffin has become to coach this season as he has struggled with physical limitations from his knee injury at the end of the 2012 playoffs.][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]In addition, Griffin’s father has increasingly become the kind of nuisance that some people warned NFL executives about before the 2012 draft. In recent weeks, according to two sources close to the situation, the elder Griffin has politicked Snyder to hire Baylor coach Art Briles, who coached the younger Griffin to a Heisman Trophy, to replace Shanahan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]In Griffin’s rookie season in 2012, precision accuracy wasn’t as critical because his speed forced defenses to play him differently and opposing teams hadn’t scouted him thoroughly. Defenses had to play man-to-man coverage in the secondary and bring extra defenders up front to deal with Griffin’s running ability. His reads were much easier.

But as Griffin has struggled to regain his world-class speed and teams have come up with ways to defend him, there has been a significant decline in his performance across the board. His accuracy (from 65.6 to 60.1 percent), TD-to-interception ratio (20-5 to 16-12) and quarterback rating (102.4 to 82.2) have all declined sharply.

“You could see this coming in the offseason with the way he was working,” a team source said this week. “It’s not that he wasn’t working hard. He was. He was working to come back as quickly as he could. But he wasn’t working on the things to become a better (pocket) quarterback. ... Now, we’ve gotten this deep in the season, and he’s still doing things wrong, like his footwork.”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Cousins got off to a strong start toward that end by completing 29 of 45 passes for 381 yards, three touchdowns and two interceptions in Sunday's 27-26 loss to Atlanta. That game matches up with just about any performance by Griffin this season.

Furthermore, the logic of whether to have Griffin play comes down to whether he’ll listen, two team sources said.

“I hear people say that he should just continue to play. But if you just keep doing the wrong things, you’re not getting better,” one of the team sources said. “You just get more accustomed to doing the wrong things.”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]But as Shanahan pointed out last week, he only sat Griffin after consulting with Snyder.

“I could have done this without discussing it with Dan, but I wanted him to be a part of a decision this important and understand where I was coming from,” Shanahan said.

Thus, the question now is whether Snyder agrees with some in the organization that he needs to deconstruct some of Griffin’s confidence/arrogance before building it back up. And if so, Snyder needs to decide if Shanahan, who only has one year left on his contract, will be the coach to do the project.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1891163-rgiiis-stubbornness-and-his-fathers-interference-bedevil-shanahan-redskins]RGIII's Stubbornness and His Father's Interference Bedevil Shanahan, Redskins | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1049797][url=http://realredskins.com/2013/12/17/need-to-know-shanahan-says-redskins-offense-did-not-change-for-cousins/?ocid=yahoo]Need to Know: Shanahan says Redskins’ offense did not change for Cousins | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Just some notes about Shanny's presser yesterday, in case it wasn't talked about.[/quote]

LOL. That is such a fun play on words.

I think we can all agree that the offense we saw last year which took the team to the playoffs was not the exact same offense we saw two years prior.

and.... I'm telling you this years offense is not the same as last years offense. From what I'm seeing. Yes some of last years plays are involved, but it does not look exactly the same. I see less read option plays.

Which has led me to believe that while RG3 was mobile his first year the coaching staff used what RG3 knew... the Baylor offense. Now that RG3 is hurt and his speed has dropped due to the injury they have used less read options this year and have tried to keep RG3 in the pocket more.

So yea, the offense didn't change... this year between the two QB's, but it did change between the two years. I think DS has a lot of decisions to make, does he want the Redskins to run the Spread/Read Option or get away from it. Why is this important? cause RG3 is obviously better in the Spread/Read Option because of speed, but Cousins has better pocket presence and plays better in the traditional WC offense.

Can RG3 develop into a pocket passer and be good in a traditional NFL offense? sure, maybe. I say maybe cause look what happened to J.Campbell. We drafted him in the 1st round also, he was supposed to be our "Franchise" QB, he didn't have the mechanics down, and his pocket presence was bad. To be honest that sounds just like RG3 except we gave up a ton of picks for RG3.

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I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?

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I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;1049875]I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.[/QUOTE]

Would you like to see RG-3, Shanny, or both back next year? I cannot tell who you are in favor, or not in favor of?

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1049874]I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?[/QUOTE]

Man if all of this is true I will kinda lose a lot of liking for Griffin, u can't be a brat about everything

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So tired of the drama that surrounds the RG3 corporation. It's something new every day it seems. Snyder needs to clean up this mess. His house is dirty right now.

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[quote=SBXVII;1049875]I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. [B]Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.[/B][/quote]

A smarter and wiser man does not spend his entire time recovering in the media. He is the first player I can recall doing so many interviews while he was rehabbing. You didn't see or hear from Adrian Peterson when he was rehabbing his knee. Smarter men know when to STFU.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049714]So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.[/quote]

Neither should be traded until after the 2014 season. Griff should get his full off season and go into the off season as the starter. However, if he's outperformed in these mini camps, OTA's and training camp by Cousins then he shouldn't go into next season as the starter. If it's vice versa then Griff should start. The best guy should play. End of discussion. I'm sure everyone is tired of losing, so play whoever gives you the best chance to win. I think whoever coaches the team will feel the same way.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1049874]I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?[/quote]

I have no idea

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If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1049885]If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.[/quote]

You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1049885]I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the [B]skillset, desire, or attitude[/B] to show he's worth that investment. [/quote]

Really? How are you coming to this conclusion?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049883]Neither should be traded until after the 2014 season. Griff should get his full off season and go into the off season as the starter. However, if he's outperformed in these mini camps, OTA's and training camp by Cousins then he shouldn't go into next season as the starter. If it's vice versa then Griff should start. The best guy should play. End of discussion. I'm sure everyone is tired of losing, so play whoever gives you the best chance to win. I think whoever coaches the team will feel the same way.[/quote]

I agree there is no way we should trade away KC at this point. Like you, I say list RG as the starter and let KC push him to keep the job.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1049885]I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment.[/quote]How do you know any of this? What has been demonstrated - [I]sans[/I] all this pejorative speculation, innuendo and ASSumption in the media that's stemming from Robert being very closed-mouth about all of this (so they have to make up a lot of bologna) - from which you could reasonably draw this conclusion?

Please be specific and show your work.

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[quote=Southpaw;1049893]Really? How are you coming to this conclusion?[/quote]

I don't think it's true as I think the guy busts his ass. But like the bleacher report article talked about, there are rumors circulating that, long story short, it seems like he can't take criticism and constructive help too well.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049714]So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.[/quote]Gruden was talking about Luck, Wilson, Robert and Colin two Mondays ago on MNF and I think he was right: he said Luck and Wilson are great QBs who are getting better, while Colin and Robert are great athletes trying to become great quarterbacks.

In hindsight, I think Robert probably should have been on IR at the start of the season and not brought back until after the BYE (and I put the blame for that not being done squarely on Shanahan's shoulders), but what's done is done and we have to move on. It was insane for Robert, but ESPECIALLY Shanahan 'cause he should KNOW better, to think he could just come back into the NFL with zero playing time without any issues.

That said, no one here or in the media has demonstrated anything concrete to make me believe Robert is not willing to put in the effort and time to become better. All we have is innuendo, character assassination and the dispirited BS that's come from him and the team having such an awful season, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing.

You give Robert his offseason. You give Robert time to learn and grow. You give him time to work on his mechanics and his rapport with his receivers and his pocket presence and all the things he didn't get to work on for the last two years. You keep Captain Kirk because it's a rare thing to have a solid backup QB. You fix the line and the secondary and get a gotdamn new inside linebacker (because I'm sick and tired of seeing the back of Fletcher's jersey) since we'll finally have the money free to do so. You let him play the full preseason.

And then you start Robert in 2014. You give it eight games. And if there isn't measurable improvement, you pull the trigger and start Captain Kirk and go from there. You don't trade EITHER until after the 2014 season.

But you don't damn him for the [I]chutzpah[/I] all great athletes have and throw him under a figurative bus because he's had a bad season following a major knee injury where he spent the entire offseason just trying to be able to play at all. Not after he broke his body for the Washington Redskins. Not after he set NFL records and won RotY his first season. Not after we spent a fortune to get him. You wait and see and you give him his fair chance to get better.

And not for nothing - the same thing happened to him at Baylor the year after he hurt himself. He had a terrible 2010 season following his knee injury. And then the next year ... well, he was the eventual Heisman winner.

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[quote=donofriose;1049889]You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.[/quote]

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.

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There is a world of difference between KNOWING and BELIEVING. No, more than a world ... there's a couple billion lightyears between the two.

We have what we KNOW about Robert, and then we have all these unverified accounts and explanations about Robert (i.e., rumors).

How much veracity one wishes to attach to the latter is up to the individual (and likely to be colored by how much one wishes to BELIEVE rather than KNOW), but I prefer to put my money down on verifiable facts not assumptions and innuendo.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049714]So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.[/quote]I don't mean to crap all over the question, because it's a really strong discussion point. But the question isn't relevant. Griffin doesn't need more time. He needs superiors who know what they are doing and have the best interests of the franchise in mind.

The answer to your question is a practical one. Mike Shanahan is going to take the fall for the failure of this team. He deserves it of course, but even if he didn't he's taking the fall. He's been here the longest, he's done the least to help, and he can't come back. Griffin gets (and deserves) a total pass.

Thing is, Griffin knows how this game works: after the guy who brought you in gets fired, you're the next one to get held responsible. So the organization has to turn around now, or Griffin can't continue to be the quarterback. He's going to get the length of the next coaches' tenure to win here. In three years, if the Redskins look up and haven't won yet, they'll change the QB and the coach.

That's how the game is played.

Thing is, five years probably isn't enough time to fully develop a quarterback from scratch. Brady was in what, year 8 (2007), when Belichick took the training wheels off for good. Peyton Manning was in year...7 (2004)? Eli was in year 8 (2011). Brees was on his second organization. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco have gotten the training wheels taken off and...well...you can see that the structure they had before may have been beneficial for them.

You don't need to stick with a QB who isn't progressing and Griffin is no exception. So if he's worse next year than this year, there's no reason to beat ones head against the wall any longer. But he's going to look somewhat better in a more QB friendly system, and he's a ways away from his peak NFL seasons.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049904]I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.[/quote]He's more like Grossman than Dalton, IMO.

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First of all, I think any talk of getting rid of Robert is ridiculous. Secondly, let's put things in perspective, shall we? Let's go back to 1993 and compare the number of starting quarterbacks of the Washington Redskins to the number of starting quarterbacks for the New England Patriots:

New England Patriots from 1993 to present:

Drew Bledsoe, Scott Secules, Scott Zolak, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel.

Washington Redskins from 1993 to present:

Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, John friez, Rich Gannon, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Danny Weurefel (ms), Shane Matthew, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Robert Griffin III, Kirk Cousins.

Let's take away the QBs who came in solely because the starter was out with an injury - the Patriots have two starting quarterbacks in a 20 year span. The Redskins would still have well over 15 different starters in a 20 year span. Let that sink in. Robert Griffin III had, clearly, the best year of any Redskins quarterback since 1991 last season. Yes, he regressed this season. But after two seasons, one absolutely great season, the other a mediocre season at best, you're wanting to pick him apart? I don't understand this line of thinking.

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Any talk of trading Robert is crazy talk.

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For clarification, all my thoughts are based on the preceding quotes from the bleacherreport link which painted rg3 as a spoiled brat/cry baby who won't listen to his coaches. Hence, the first word in my post was "if." If rg is that much of a diva, I don't want him on my team. If those reports aren't true, and he's a high character guy who tries to build good relationships with his coaches and team mates and readily accepts all coaching given him, then I'm happy he's here.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1049906]I don't mean to crap all over the question, because it's a really strong discussion point. But the question isn't relevant. Griffin doesn't need more time. He needs superiors who know what they are doing and have the best interests of the franchise in mind.

The answer to your question is a practical one. Mike Shanahan is going to take the fall for the failure of this team. He deserves it of course, but even if he didn't he's taking the fall. He's been here the longest, he's done the least to help, and he can't come back. Griffin gets (and deserves) a total pass.

Thing is, Griffin knows how this game works: after the guy who brought you in gets fired, you're the next one to get held responsible. So the organization has to turn around now, or Griffin can't continue to be the quarterback. He's going to get the length of the next coaches' tenure to win here. In three years, if the Redskins look up and haven't won yet, they'll change the QB and the coach.

That's how the game is played.

[B]Thing is, five years probably isn't enough time to fully develop a quarterback from scratch. Brady was in what, year 8 (2007), when Belichick took the training wheels off for good. Peyton Manning was in year...7[/B] (2004)? Eli was in year 8 (2011). Brees was on his second organization. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco have gotten the training wheels taken off and...well...you can see that the structure they had before may have been beneficial for them.

You don't need to stick with a QB who isn't progressing and Griffin is no exception. So if he's worse next year than this year, there's no reason to beat ones head against the wall any longer. But he's going to look somewhat better in a more QB friendly system, and he's a ways away from his peak NFL seasons.[/quote]

Could not be more wrong here. Brady and Manning were running pro offenses in their first full years under center and passing the ball, as was Andrew Luck. There were no "training wheels" as you put it. Wilson, Griff, Locker, EJ Manuel, Ponder?? I think those guys needed to start out with conservative type offenses.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1049885]If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.[/quote]

Wow. Trade RG3. Ok. I'm not advocating either way, just shocked it finally came up.

What is the last point at which the team loses the chance to trade either one? I'm asking cause I'd definitely hold out till atleast that point or close to it.

Again the other thought is will the WHOLE coaching staff be back or will there be some changes made? Will MS stick with the Spread Option scheme or is he done with it and wants to run his scheme he had in Denver? What will DS want to do scheme wise?< I know the HC should get to decide but if DS is set on the Spread Option then I could see MS fired if MS does not want to use that anymore. If DS is wanting MS to use the scheme he thought he was bringing in from Denver then the Spread Option is out.

What I see it boiling down to is what's more important to DS?

1- RG3 = Spread/Read Option (could mean Briles brought in)
2- MS WCO = Cousins (unless RG3 makes a huge learning curve)
3- Spread/Read Option = Briles = RG3.

These are just my thoughts. But MS is fighting for his job now. If he's not fired. If it was me... I'd ditch the college stuff and go with what made me a good coach in the past, use Cousins for these last 3 games as he did, point out to the owner and Allen at the end all the differences between the two QB's and lobby for keeping me my final year with whichever is the best QB next Sept.

and because of that.... RG3 might find himself on the trading block if he didn't make a huge leap this off season. Also as an owner I'd have to look at RG3's dad and if he is stiring the pot. If he is then RG3 might be gone just based off that.

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[quote=donofriose;1049889]You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.[/quote]

As I just said I wouldn't trade RG3 nor Cousins just yet, but throwing around the two words Potential and Franchise has me chuckling. Maybe Cousins is a Potential Franchise QB? Maybe RG3 never reaches his Potential everyone is talking about? Just look at J.Campbell for that reasoning.

All this drama has got some of you hook line and sinker.

All this reminds me of a bad breakup and both sides are trying to make the other look as bad as possible. When in reality it's more smoke than substance.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049904]I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.[/quote]

I also thought it funny the sports junkies were comparing him to Grossman and Beck with his INT's.

HELLO.... he's had two starts. Grossman came to us with several years under his belt as well as Beck. LOL.

I'll just be happy if the team keeps both young guns, ditches Grossman, and drafts another young QB in the mid to late rounds to sit on the practice squad for development and to learn the scheme. That way if, and it's a big if, MS stays and rights the ship and we are back in the play offs next year, whatever they do with them meaning trading one and resigning the other we would still have another young guy ready to be back up.

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[quote=Mattyk;1049928]All this drama has got some of you hook line and sinker.

All this reminds me of a bad breakup and both sides are trying to make the other look as bad as possible. When in reality it's more smoke than substance.[/quote]

Fix the gaskets then, change the oil, tune it up and lets roll....

maybe keep the other kind of smoke for the rest of the guys ;)

I'm just tired of hearing all the "We gotta trade Cousins" banter. I think we need to keep both for now.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1049917]For clarification, all my thoughts are based on the preceding quotes from the [B]bleacherreport[/B] link which painted rg3 as a spoiled brat/cry baby who won't listen to his coaches. Hence, the first word in my post was "if." If rg is that much of a diva, I don't want him on my team. If those reports aren't true, and he's a high character guy who tries to build good relationships with his coaches and team mates and readily accepts all coaching given him, then I'm happy he's here.[/quote]

Well that is your problem right there.

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[quote=12thMan;1049912]Any talk of trading Robert is crazy talk.[/quote]

Didn't you know? All you need is 2 full games to realize Cousins is LEGIT.

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The "trade RGIII" topic came up on the Galdi, Czaban, Cooley radio show yesterday (ESPN 980). First legitimate public forum where I heard the possibility discussed. They pointed out that many of the sacks taken by RGIII were on him because he runs around trying to improvise rather than trying to buy time in the pocket. In that case (their words, not mine), the OL has no clue as to how or where to block rushers. As you might imagine, Cooley had the most insight on this point. Anyway, it really makes sense to me that part of what Shanahan is doing involves proving to Snyder that much of what has happened to Redskins this season is on Griffin rather than the OL. Next few weeks will be interesting! #BeatDallas #HTTR

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[quote=12thMan;1049912]Any talk of trading Robert is crazy talk.[/quote]

UMMMMMM, THIS.

DUH.

Anyone even remotely entertaining the idea of trading RG3 is just idiotic and stupid. Sorry, I said it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1049935]Didn't you know? All you need is 2 full games to realize Cousins is LEGIT.[/quote]

I saw him wearing a 2 Legit 2 Quit shirt also. I think he might even change his number to 2, and his last name to Legit ala OchoCinco. Guy is the truth.

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Cousins looke d like Rex actually. Couusins did okay, didn't burn the house down. Rex has some alright games, but he alwyas gets 2 interceptions in there and loses.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1049885]If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.[/quote]

Basically give up RG3 and keep Le Fleur and Little Shanny? These offensive inexperienced guys are amateur hour when it comes to NFL offenses. If a second year player could come in and disrupt your organization then that in it's self is a big enough reason you should be fired. It means you do not have the aptitude for the job.

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On ESPN980 today, Schefter confirmed that RGII is campaigning to have Snyder hire Briles. Schefter also said RGII is on the sidelines during alot of games. Why the frack Shanahan allows that is beyond me.

Interestingly, Schefter said that Shanahan wants to sit down with Snyder after the season and express his desire to stay, but only if he has has the power "to start the best players." Shanahan's contract already gives him that power, and Schefter said, to his knowledge, Snyder has never tried to meddle or tell Shanahan who to play. Schefter strongly insinuated that, if he were to stay, Shanahan would have a QB competition. If RGIII won, he'd be the starter. If Cousins won, he'd be the starter. Schefter also indicated that, had Cousins not suffered an injury in the preseason, Shanahan would have started him week 1, since he was more prepared than RGIII, who had missed the offseason. Although RGIII was medically cleared to play, Shanahan had doubts that he was "football ready."

Now we all know that Schefter gets his info directly from Shanahan, and Shanahan wouldnt tell Schefter these things unless he wanted Schefter to report them. Seems pretty obvious to me that Shanahan believes in Cousins more than he believes in RGIII. Ultimately, it seems, whether Shanahan stays or goes will depend on whether or not he beleives more in Shanahan as a coach with Cousins as his QB or an entirely new offensive staff with RGIII at QB.

Personally, I think a Shanahan/Cousins combo gives us a much better chance to win than a RGIII/Briles/Gruden/whoever combo.

If we hire briles then I'll believe this crap if not then you know it was all bull IMO

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1050023]Basically give up RG3 and keep Le Fleur and Little Shanny? These offensive inexperienced guys are amateur hour when it comes to NFL offenses. If a second year player could come in and disrupt your organization then that in it's self is a big enough reason you should be fired. It means you do not have the aptitude for the job.[/quote]

The second year player is a diva franchise quarterback. If he chooses to be disruptive, its not like you can just cut him like you could any old scrub. I'm sorry, but if even half the reports i've read about RGIII's diva attitude are true, i want nothing to do with him. His "potential" isn't worth the distraction when you've got a very talented NFL QB in Cousins on the roster.