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[quote=Chico23231;1064086]Heard scout Chris Landry,who has been critical of the skins in the past in free agency, wholeheartedly praise the approach and went down every transaction giving it high praise. Said Roberts and hatcher were the right call and fit. Said he have to see the contract of hatcher but assumed with Bruce it would fine. Said Riley and orakpo were the right call. Not overpaying for free safety was the right call, said Chris Clemons should be someone we needed to look at. Even mentioned geathers, sharp ton and hey ward were all good role players made sense and good value. Porter he said would be a good value, thrives in the slot. He mentioned that both safetys needed to be upgraded for sure. He only concern was the guard was an over pay but likes the fit in the offense. Mentioned Steiger move to center is a stronger position for him.

I was surprised he was so positive, good stuff coming from Landry[/quote]

I've always liked/respected Chris Landry. He doesn't always say stuff that 'skins fans want to hear, but looking back, I'm not sure he wasn't right about most.

I'm not close enough to talent evaluation to say if we've truly upgraded thus far, but at least the FO is trying to and most moves appear to be "smart" moves and not reaching for over-hyped stars past their prime.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/03/13/chris-cooley-on-redskins-free-agent-signings/]Chris Cooley on Redskins’ free agent signings[/url]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1064088]Whats the possibility he cancels to.[/quote]

Who knows? It's Free Agency; anything could happen. I'm pleased to hear that we may have a shot at signing him. I think he's be good as a RT.

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Antonio Smith who we were looking at signed with the Raiders. 2 years 9 mil.

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[quote=Bangee7;1064091]I've always liked/respected Chris Landry. He doesn't always say stuff that 'skins fans want to hear, but looking back, I'm not sure he wasn't right about most.

I'm not close enough to talent evaluation to say if we've truly upgraded thus far, but at least the FO is trying to and most moves appear to be "smart" moves and not reaching for over-hyped stars past their prime.[/quote]

I hear what u saying. Landry is good because he talks skill set, best fits scheme-wise and of course film breakdown. I think what u gotta understand is he can say one thing but if the coaching staff takes a guy and uses him wrong then it wasn't cause Landry was incorrect.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1064088]Whats the possibility he cancels too.[/quote]



It depends on Penn's options, apparently Browner leveraged "interest" from the Redskins for a better contract......that is why there was so much conflicting information last night

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[quote=Mattyk;1064093][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/03/13/chris-cooley-on-redskins-free-agent-signings/]Chris Cooley on Redskins’ free agent signings[/url][/quote]

Pretty straight forward analysis.
I hope Lavaou is more than what he thinks but he could be right.

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Tampa Bay newspaper calls Donald Penn "career pillow"............... first Bruce Campbell career underachiever, now Penn ?????

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Well, Bruce Campbell is not here anymore, that is a relief. But Penn would slide right into the starting RT role, and is a definite upgrade over Tyler Polumbus. This would actually be the one signing that I would consider the best FA move the skins have made thus far, if it happens.

[QUOTE=los panda;1064054]just stumbled across this gem, didn't think it warranted its own thread; put it here



[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_players]List of Washington Redskins players - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/QUOTE]


That actually, probably, does deserve its own thread. That is great.

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Donald Penn would be a good fit at right tackle. He can handle counter and spin moves. Combined with silverback would be a very good look.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1064105]Donald Penn would be a good fit at right tackle. He can handle counter and spin moves. Combined with silverback would be a very good look.[/quote]

this move would definitely be a good one (I think).

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1064106]this move would definitely be a good one (I think).[/quote]

As long as he doesn't pull a Jammal Brown and is injured before he ever plays on day 1.

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Does AnyonePorterWhat We Paid Tracy Potter

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Hatcher in his conference call with Skins beat writers today....Awesome.

"Further discussing the appeal of playing for the Redskins, he said, "Just the rivalry, man. Just to get back to smash-mouth football, and just to get back at the Cowboys. It’s going to be a very exciting game when I go back down there to play the Cowboys. I’m looking forward to it. That’s one of the main reasons, the rivalry, to stay in it. If you come out of here and win the Super Bowl, you’ve earned it. It’s one of the hardest divisions in football."

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^ love it.

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[quote=ICantGoAnother20yrsOfCrap;1064110]Hatcher in his conference call with Skins beat writers today....Awesome.

"Further discussing the appeal of playing for the Redskins, he said, "Just the rivalry, man. Just to get back to smash-mouth football, and just to get back at the Cowboys. It’s going to be a very exciting game when I go back down there to play the Cowboys. I’m looking forward to it. That’s one of the main reasons, the rivalry, to stay in it. If you come out of here and win the Super Bowl, you’ve earned it. It’s one of the hardest divisions in football."[/quote]

philly aye? theres a bar in south jersey right over the bridge in blackwood where... it's an sheagles bar of course... but where like 10 skins fans including myself and my rag tag band of different team liking friends go and watch games.. more than welcome.. like 10 deep for Washington every sunday. very good place. very good staff. very consistent and diverse crowd on sundays.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1064107]As long as he doesn't pull a Jammal Brown and is injured before he ever plays on day 1.[/quote]

Yeah worried about his age. Feel like some of these contracts make us the retirement home of the NFL.

[QUOTE=ICantGoAnother20yrsOfCrap;1064115]Yeah worried about his age. Feel like some of these contracts make us the retirement home of the NFL.[/QUOTE]

As someone pointed out, Fletcher was 32 when we signed him. 32 isn't the ideal but if we get 2 solid years that's great and anything more is gravy.

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I was thinking we would take a look at Brandon Spikes but he signed a 1 yr. deal with the Bills. I hope we can get a deal with Donald Penn Saturday .

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Terms of Jason Hatcher Deal per John Keim (ESPN):

Hatcher received a $9-million signing bonus and has $10.5 million guaranteed. There's no guaranteed money after the first year and with his base salary escalating by a considerable amount in the third year, the Redskins could cut him and he would count $4.5 million against the cap (unless they can spread it out over two years at $2.25 million per). It's hard to imagine Hatcher getting to that final season considering his cap hit would be hefty for a player who would be 35 entering the season. But if he's still playing well? Different story.

Here's the breakdown, courtesy of ESPN Stats & Information:

2014
Base salary: $1.5 million (fully guaranteed)
Cap hit: $3.75 million

2015
Base salary: $3 million
Cap hit: $5.25 million

2016
Base salary: $6.5 million
Cap hit: $8.75 million

2017
Base salary: $7.5 million
Cap hit: $9.75 million

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1064116]As someone pointed out, Fletcher was 32 when we signed him. 32 isn't the ideal but if we get 2 solid years that's great and anything more is gravy.[/quote]

Fletcher is the exception, not the rule.

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1064129]Fletcher is the exception, not the rule.[/QUOTE]

Moreso, Fletcher was at the extreme end of the spectrum, others who are done and out by age 31 are on the other end of the spectrum. Where Hatcher falls is yet to be determined.

If we get two solid years this would have to be viewed as a good contract. If he is cut a year from now it wasn't.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1064129]Fletcher is the exception, not the rule.[/quote]

You're letting your pessimism get the better of you.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this signing. In fact, it's a great signing for us. We're getting a disruptive player who will push the pocket. He has relatively low mileage in terms of career snaps. Has has proven to be durable. We're getting him on what is essentially a two-year cap friendly deal. He was a Pro Bowl player in 2013 when he had more sacks than Brian Orakpo.

What more could you want from Bruce Allen? Perhaps he could come over your place and wash your car if that would make you happier.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1064126]Terms of Jason Hatcher Deal per John Keim (ESPN):

Hatcher received a $9-million signing bonus and has $10.5 million guaranteed. There's no guaranteed money after the first year and with his base salary escalating by a considerable amount in the third year, the Redskins could cut him and he would count $4.5 million against the cap (unless they can spread it out over two years at $2.25 million per). It's hard to imagine Hatcher getting to that final season considering his cap hit would be hefty for a player who would be 35 entering the season. But if he's still playing well? Different story.

Here's the breakdown, courtesy of ESPN Stats & Information:

2014
Base salary: $1.5 million (fully guaranteed)
Cap hit: $3.75 million

2015
Base salary: $3 million
Cap hit: $5.25 million
[B]Release Fee: $6.75 million[/B]

2016
Base salary: $6.5 million
Cap hit: $8.75 million
[B]Release Fee: $4.5 million[/B]

2017
Base salary: $7.5 million
Cap hit: $9.75 million
[B]Release Fee: $2.25 million[/B][/quote]

Just added the release fees. As CRed says, it's a two year contract. It costs more to release him then keep him in 2015 so he is likely on the roster. In 2016, he is unlikely to make the roster unless the contract is redone or he is has had a couple of monster years for us.

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[quote=skins89moss;1064122]I was thinking we would take a look at Brandon Spikes but he signed a 1 yr. deal with the Bills. I hope we can get a deal with Donald Penn Saturday .[/quote]If I had to guess, I'd bet on Donald Penn getting more money from Oakland, but it's a good sign that there's really only two teams in the running.

I could see the Bengals or Panthers getting involved if the price falls far enough.

Hatcher will be 32, but he hardly has alot of wear and tear on his body. His first start was 2010.

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So Porter got 6mil over 2 years, he is worth that.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1064169]So Porter got 6mil over 2 years, he is worth that.[/quote]That's not bad.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1064169]So Porter got 6mil over 2 years, he is worth that.[/quote]

That's very fair for both sides.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1064159]If I had to guess, I'd bet on Donald Penn getting more money from Oakland, but it's a good sign that there's really only two teams in the running.

I could see the Bengals or Panthers getting involved [B]if the price falls[/B]far enough.[/quote]

That's not likely to happen due to the law of supply and demand.

As for Oakland, with their cap space I suppose they could sign anybody they want if the player is just about getting the most money.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1064134]You're letting your pessimism get the better of you.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this signing. In fact, it's a great signing for us. We're getting a disruptive player who will push the pocket. He has relatively low mileage in terms of career snaps. Has has proven to be durable. We're getting him on what is essentially a two-year cap friendly deal. He was a Pro Bowl player in 2013 when he had more sacks than Brian Orakpo.

What more could you want from Bruce Allen? Perhaps he could come over your place and wash your car if that would make you happier.[/quote]

I like the signing. I am getting adjusted to new way of doing business at Redskins park. The safety position needs to be addressed with a veteran. I am surprised we haven't set an appointment with Chris Clemons.

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Skins aren't very high on Clemons apparently.

[QUOTE]Keim: I’ll get there in a minute. First, though, they can help the safety position by improving the pass rush and that’s what they feel they’re doing by tweaking their scheme and adding Jason Hatcher. If they do that, then the secondary will be helped. That said, they still need more bodies deep. [B]From what I’ve heard they did not view certain safeties, such as Miami’s Chris Clemons, as better than what they had a year ago with Brandon Meriweather (and only a slight upgrade over Reed Doughty).[/B] I wouldn’t be surprised if one or both of those players returned. Doughty would not be brought back to start. I also think there’s a split opinion of him in the building. I think they still like some of the young safeties. If Phillip Thomas recovers well from his Lisfranc injury, that would help. But even then it will take time.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/6179/washington-redskins-mailbag-3]Washington Redskins mailbag - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url][/QUOTE]

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1064175]I like the signing. I am getting adjusted to new way of doing business at Redskins park. [B]The safety position needs to be addressed with a veteran. I am surprised we haven't set an appointment with Chris Clemons.[/B][/quote]

I couldn't agree more. I like the way Clemons plays the game. I'm mystified that there hasn't been more of a market for his services. We should take advantage. He's way better than anyone we currently have.

Add Penn and Clemons plus a couple vet min types and I'll be satisfied with what we've done in FA this year.

Edit: Based on the above post, nevermind about Clemons.

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents/s]2014 NFL Football Free Agents - CBSSports.com Free Agent Tracker[/url]

Clemons not even ranked on this list.

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[quote=Mattyk;1064178][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents/s]2014 NFL Football Free Agents - CBSSports.com Free Agent Tracker[/url]

Clemons not even ranked on this list.[/quote]

ummmm, neither are Lauvao or Tracy Porter.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents/g]2014 NFL Football Free Agents - CBSSports.com Free Agent Tracker[/url]
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents/cb]2014 NFL Football Free Agents - CBSSports.com Free Agent Tracker[/url]

At the same time, I get it. Someone please tell me how Clemons is an upgrade and, please, spare me the "Anything has to be better" b/c it's just not true.

If Clemons is better, why? Is it just change for change's sake then? To me its just a bunch a guys out there at the position. Not seeing any urgency at this point - for Clemons or anyone else. Find the best "just a guy' who fits what you're trying to do and cross your fingers.

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I'd rather get Donald Penn signed over a safety at this point. And keep looking of course.

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I get frustrated when someone reports that the Redskins don't see Clemons as an upgrade on Meriweather, because it reinforces that the front office isn't great at this "good player" "bad player" thing.

But I also can't get that worked up over them not bringing in Clemons because I know that if his end of season medicals checked out completely clear with no issue, he would have gotten more interest around the league, and Miami wouldn't have replaced him with Louis 'freakin Delmas. It's pretty clear that Miami doesn't think he's as good as he played last year either.

If that's the case, then the right move is to move on and keep bringing in guys for interviews.

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Tell me Clemons strengths. Why is he an upgrade? Not disputing it one way or another, I guess it just seems to me the interest in him is a bit knee jerk ... a name that got mentioned and repeated.

I have seen him ranked everywhere from the top safety after Byrd, Whitner and Ward to completely unmentioned. What's his game and why is he a "good player"?

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1064183]I'd rather get Donald Penn signed over a safety at this point. And keep looking of course.[/QUOTE]


Yup