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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1100377]Might be because he's not 100% yet, heck one throw to him by RG3 sailed over his head and you could tell he didn't have the gas in the tank, he needs a little more time to get healthy.

As for Gruden:

[B]Gruden is the kind of guy who likes to pass the buck, nothing is ever his fault, it's always someone else who isn't performing.[/B][/quote]

He can't get away with that for very long. If he doesn't win next year he'll be gone no matter how many people he blames.

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This is incredible...I'm starting to question Gruden's intelligence and sanity...

[b]Jay Gruden on Jim Haslett: "I'd Recommend Keeping Him"[/b]

[URL]http://riggosrag.com/2014/12/29/jay-gruden-jim-haslett-id-recommend-keeping/ [/URL]

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What else is he going to say? Classic coach speak.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1102209]What else is he going to say? Classic coach speak.[/QUOTE]
Respectfully...I disagree...he could have used the old line...

"Well that is not my decision, that's up to the team management"

Or something like that.

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[quote=kct1975;1102211]Respectfully...I disagree...he could have used the old line...

"Well that is not my decision, that's up to the team management"

Or something like that.[/quote]

He did say that. Along with there will be plenty of change among players and the staff.

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So both DJax and Garcon are extremely POed about lack of a good QB here?

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Additionally, I have yet to hear any interview with JG that he does not state matter of factly, that he and his tribe need to do a better job coaching, etc. He shoulders a share of the blame at each.....juncture

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They should implement mandatory film study. I think it's a big problem for this team in general.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1102223]They should implement mandatory film study. I think it's a big problem for this team in general.[/QUOTE]
That certainly seems true with the Defense!

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102216]So both DJax and Garcon are extremely POed about lack of a good QB here?[/quote]

I wouldn't blame them but I haven't seen too much via DJax complaining. In fact his numbers aren't too bad. 1100+ yards... 6 TDs. Not as good as last year's but not bad at all. He was definitely making something out of nothing.

I know Garcon's numbers took a huge dive from last year so he can't be too happy about that.

We all know how antsy DJax can get so I recommend us getting a functional QB before his contract is over. He'll leave and will make no qualms about letting us know what's really going on behind closed doors at Redskins Park.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1102216]So both DJax and Garcon are extremely POed about lack of a good QB here?[/quote]

Griffin targeted one pass against the Dallas defense more than 10 yards.

Wouldn't you be?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102228]Griffin targeted one pass against the Dallas defense more than 10 yards.

Wouldn't you be?[/quote]

Well DJax did get over 1000 yards. That's a damn good season no matter how you slice it.

Garcon I get though, there were times I'd forget he was even out there... He had 105 targets this season, which averages out to about 6 per game (even though I think that's a generous number). Way down from his 11 per game average last season.

DJax... Only had 94. TOTAL. And still put up over 1000+ yards.

Looking at other NFC East duos

Maclin - 143 targets
Matthews - 105

ODB - 132
Randal - 127

Dez - 138
Witten (highest targets besides Dez) - 90


Looking at the targets, you'd think Garcon was the #1 but put up nowhere near the same amount of yards as say.. Jordan Matthews... Garcon (752 yards 3 TDs) Matthews (872 yards 8 TDs).

So long story short... Yeah... Kinda feeling for ol Pierre.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1102229]Well DJax did get over 1000 yards. That's a damn good season no matter how you slice it.

Garcon I get though, there were times I'd forget he was even out there... He had 105 targets this season, which averages out to about 6 per game (even though I think that's a generous number). Way down from his 11 per game average last season.

DJax... Only had 94. TOTAL. And still put up over 1000+ yards.

Looking at other NFC East duos

Maclin - 143 targets
Matthews - 105

ODB - 132
Randal - 127

Dez - 138
Witten (highest targets besides Dez) - 90


Looking at the targets, you'd think Garcon was the #1 but put up nowhere near the same amount of yards as say.. Jordan Matthews... Garcon (752 yards 3 TDs) Matthews (872 yards 8 TDs).

So long story short... Yeah... Kinda feeling for ol Pierre.[/quote]

I really like Garcon. He doesn't take plays off. He puts 100% effort into pass plays and run plays. Blocks like a boss.

I hope we can keep him, but the reality of the cap and his contract will hit hard this off season I'm afraid.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102265]I really like Garcon. He doesn't take plays off. He puts 100% effort into pass plays and run plays. Blocks like a boss.

I hope we can keep him, but the reality of the cap and his contract will hit hard this off season I'm afraid.[/quote]

And how exactly would that be hard to keep Garcon??

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102265]I really like Garcon. He doesn't take plays off. He puts 100% effort into pass plays and run plays. Blocks like a boss.

I hope we can keep him, but the reality of the cap and his contract will hit hard this off season I'm afraid.[/quote]Sounds like he and DJax should run from this franchise, the first chance they get. :(

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1102269]And how exactly would that be hard to keep Garcon??[/quote]

His base salary next year is 7.1 mil with a cap hit of 9.7 mil. We are going into the off season with considerably less cap room than we expected and compared to most other teams.

There are so many other units that need significant upgrades.

As alluded to by other posters, he might not want to come back given the uncertainty of the QB situation.

I hope he stays. I'm a huge fan. I would be very disappointed if he wasn't a Redskin next year but not surprised.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1102315]His base salary next year is 7.1 mil with a cap hit of 9.7 mil. We are going into the off season with considerably less cap room than we expected and compared to most other teams.



There are so many other units that need significant upgrades.



As alluded to by other posters, he might not want to come back given the uncertainty of the QB situation.



I hope he stays. I'm a huge fan. I would be very disappointed if he wasn't a Redskin next year but not surprised.[/QUOTE]


They'll just restructure him if they need space. He doesn't have a choice in coming back or not.

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[quote=Mattyk;1102320]They'll just restructure him if they need space. He doesn't have a choice in coming back or not.[/quote]

Sometimes ignorance isn't bliss. Sometimes it's worrisome. Everything is good now.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1102322]Sometimes ignorance isn't bliss. Sometimes it's worrisome. Everything is good now.[/QUOTE]


Say what?

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[quote=Mattyk;1102323]Say what?[/quote]

He said something about Bisquick, or something like that.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102315]His base salary next year is 7.1 mil with a cap hit of 9.7 mil. We are going into the off season with considerably less cap room than we expected and compared to most other teams.

There are so many other units that need significant upgrades.

As alluded to by other posters, he might not want to come back given the uncertainty of the QB situation.

I hope he stays. I'm a huge fan. I would be very disappointed if he wasn't a Redskin next year but not surprised.[/quote]

schneed has us conservatively at 27-28 mil with expected cuts (bowen, porter, chester etc) while taking into account raises (kerrigan).

total cap at 140 mil but may be increased.

hopefully we have room to add a few starters then a bunch of JAGs.


some of the new posters may not have ventured to the Cap and Draft forums above this one.

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Cap room shouldn't be an issue.

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[quote=Mattyk;1102323]Say what?[/quote]

Was basically saying I didn't know whether or not Garcon would be back next year. I'm happy to be educated.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1102355]Was basically saying I didn't know whether or not Garcon would be back next year. I'm happy to be educated.[/QUOTE]


He's under contract. I doubt he wants to give up $9M to pout his way outta here.

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[B]@JsteelznSkins

@rwj64 Gruden changes everything bro. All he has to do is snowball Dan. Can he? I dunno[/B]


[B]@JsteelznSkins

@rwj64 all on Dans lap . Gruden won't fire. Dan will have to do it. Work tog before so he gonna bang the table. Will Dan do the right thing?[/B]




If Jay is actually trying to make it so Haslett stays, I'll be ready to cancel the 2015 season off the list.


Right now, if this shit is true, I'm 100% on the FIRE FUCKING JAY GRUDEN train. Eat the 16 million and send that moron packing.

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^ NC how did you decipher that from the tweets you provided? You are far more tech savvy than I.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1102403]^ NC how did you decipher that from the tweets you provided? You are far more tech savvy than I.[/quote]

:laughing-

It's easy to pick up lingo or abbreviated words people use. Twitter is character limited so people have to resort to ghetto shorthand at times.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1102388][B]@JsteelznSkins

@rwj64 Gruden changes everything bro. All he has to do is snowball Dan. Can he? I dunno[/B]


[B]@JsteelznSkins

@rwj64 all on Dans lap . Gruden won't fire. Dan will have to do it. Work tog before so he gonna bang the table. Will Dan do the right thing?[/B]




If Jay is actually trying to make it so Haslett stays, I'll be ready to cancel the 2015 season off the list.


Right now, if this shit is true, I'm 100% on the FIRE FUCKING JAY GRUDEN train. Eat the 16 million and send that moron packing.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, that is what it sounds like to me!

And I completely agree, if Jay Gruden is dumb enough to back Jim Haslet, then they both need to go!

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while the injuries and bad roster aren't haslett's fault, his track record is. I'm a bit shocked he's still here.

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[quote=That Guy;1102434]while the injuries and bad roster aren't haslett's fault, his track record is. I'm a bit shocked he's still here.[/quote]

You are right on target. His track record speaks for itself and it says "mediocre". The Skins can do much better and they should. If the Skins want to win, they need to put together the best coaching staff they can.

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Sometimes you need to make a change. He has been here a long time, and it doesn't have to do with whether or not he is a good coach. They need to hear it from a new voice, because they aren't getting it from the current defensive guys.

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Hallelujah!!!
[b] Redskins, Jim Haslett part ways[/b]
[URL]
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12102368&ex_cid=espnapi_affiliate_Prism [/URL]

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/will-gruden-try-get-rid-dry-snitches]Will Gruden try to get rid of the dry snitches? | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

The article seems to indicate the team has a good idea who the snitches are. Any idea who the rats are?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102545][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/will-gruden-try-get-rid-dry-snitches]Will Gruden try to get rid of the dry snitches? | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

The article seems to indicate the team has a good idea who the snitches are. Any idea who the rats are?[/quote]

I just hope we can get the media drama over with. I don't care what position a player holds, or a FO person, if they are a part of the media drama, cya.

For me that's true of every player on this roster save none. Trent Williams doing it, cya. RG3, or family, doing it, cya, Kirk Cousins, cya. Bruce Allen's secretary, cya. Maybe I would keep Kerrigan or Breeland even if it were found out it's them. But maybe not.

The media storm around this team, albeit created by Dan Snyder early in his ownership, is a detrimental factor for every player and coach that comes here. It needs to stop.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102545][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/will-gruden-try-get-rid-dry-snitches]Will Gruden try to get rid of the dry snitches? | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

The article seems to indicate the team has a good idea who the snitches are. Any idea who the rats are?[/quote]

I suspect DJax. It would fit his disgruntled pattern going back before he joined the team. Can't do epic things with basic snitches.

Even if I am wrong, I agree with CRed: snitches, hit the road.

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He should have never been hired. Enough said...

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[quote=Lotus;1102558]I suspect DJax. It would fit his disgruntled pattern going back before he joined the team. Can't do epic things with basic snitches.

Even if I am wrong, I agree with CRed: snitches, hit the road.[/quote] This been going on before he even came here. I think it was Garcon.

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A lot of tough and good questions were asked and his answer was they will evaluate and in a month the changes will be made and in place. After people complained that Gruden was to honest, what do you expect Allen to say? They do need time to figure out the changes that are needed, he started today with Haslett. Why don't wait and see what happens?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1102556]I just hope we can get the media drama over with. I don't care what position a player holds, or a FO person, if they are a part of the media drama, cya.

For me that's true of every player on this roster save none. Trent Williams doing it, cya. RG3, or family, doing it, cya, Kirk Cousins, cya. Bruce Allen's secretary, cya. Maybe I would keep Kerrigan or Breeland even if it were found out it's them. But maybe not.

The media storm around this team, albeit created by Dan Snyder early in his ownership, is a detrimental factor for every player and coach that comes here. It needs to stop.[/quote]

Some will be gone, others aren't going anywhere. Snitches will always be here.

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Smoot, I take your comment to mean that the man at the top is a snitch...

I could be wrong.