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Shady owned us bro every yr. I'm happy he's gone and Kelly is pulling a spurrier he wants all these Oregon guys. Alonso Is a solid player but nothing special

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[quote=Daseal;1108246]A lot of people blasting Philly for this move. As a fan in their division I don't like it. McCoy was terrible last year. They traded a RB, granted a very good one, for an extremely talented LB. The big thing here is their cap. McCoy was going to make what, 30ish million over the next 2 years? Alonso 1.5 million? Thats an extra 28.5 they get to spend. They'll go to the draft and get another RB, especially this year.

Now they have the room to go get someone like a Mike Ipuitati (sp?) and/or a Suh. People we don't want to see. They got rid of a RB with declining production for an injured LB. I consider the two players about even. I think the cap savings is really big, especially after they cut Ryans.[/quote]

Philly has created a lot of holes...a ton. Sure more cap to spend but your breaking up a core, a team. Trent cole gone today too? That's just a big. Kelly has ripped away the identity of this team. There is a vacuum of leadership and identity.

I laugh to myself when I hear how the rb isn't as prominent in today's nfl. Well folks we are gonna find out this year if Murray, shady and ap switch teams...how it affects their balance. Damn, Minnesota could have been in playoff contention if ap was in there last year.

Lesean wasn't good last year? Check the numbers, very solid year. This lb from buffalo is unproven, coming off major injury. This was the best defensive player they could have gotten? This is a terrible trade for the Eagles.

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[quote=Daseal;1108246]A lot of people blasting Philly for this move. As a fan in their division I don't like it. McCoy was terrible last year. They traded a RB, granted a very good one, for an extremely talented LB. The big thing here is their cap. McCoy was going to make what, 30ish million over the next 2 years? Alonso 1.5 million? Thats an extra 28.5 they get to spend. They'll go to the draft and get another RB, especially this year.

Now they have the room to go get someone like a Mike Ipuitati (sp?) and/or a Suh. People we don't want to see. They got rid of a RB with declining production for an injured LB. I consider the two players about even. I think the cap savings is really big, especially after they cut Ryans.[/quote]

I agree he was terrible last year, had only 4 games where he broke 100 yards. He was approaching the "not worth what they were going to pay you" level.
The Eagles have a really good O-line that any talented back or two will do well behind. As Timmy Smith proved, any back can look good behind a great O-line. Not saying McCoy is not good but he is not worth the big bucks they were going to have to pay him.
The winning teams make these kind of moves, replacing expensive players with younger cheaper players.
As Daseal said this upcoming draft is really a strong RB class.
McCoy was a second round pick, so it is not like they invested a ton in him.

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[quote=Lotus;1108244]According to an Eagles fan site, McCoy was scheduled to make $12 mil. this season. Makes the move more sensible.

[url=http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/3/8145161/mccoy-traded-to-buffalo#comments]McCoy traded To buffalo - Bleeding Green Nation[/url][/quote]

Maybe, but you don't think McCoy would at least listen to reworking his contract? I haven't looked at overthecap, so not sure if it could be. Still, this move just comes off as arrogance by CK.

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[quote=Daseal;1108246]A lot of people blasting Philly for this move. As a fan in their division I don't like it. McCoy was terrible last year. They traded a RB, granted a very good one, for an extremely talented LB. The big thing here is their cap. McCoy was going to make what, 30ish million over the next 2 years? Alonso 1.5 million? Thats an extra 28.5 they get to spend. They'll go to the draft and get another RB, especially this year.

Now they have the room to go get someone like a Mike Ipuitati (sp?) and/or a Suh. People we don't want to see. They got rid of a RB with declining production for an injured LB. I consider the two players about even. I think the cap savings is really big, especially after they cut Ryans.[/quote]

Eagles already had decent cap space, could go after anyone they wanted (they had more than us before this I believe)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1108251]Maybe, but you don't think McCoy would at least listen to reworking his contract? I haven't looked at overthecap, so not sure if it could be. Still, this move just comes off as arrogance by CK.[/quote]

Good point. I can't speak to his contract negotiations. I was just saying that $12 mil. is a lot to pay a back.

I couldn't be happier that we don't have to play him twice a year any more.

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[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/2015-nfl-draft-pro-day-roundup/]2015 NFL Draft: Pro Day Roundup | Draft Breakdown[/url]

Don't know if this was posted.

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it could be nice to not face the no 1 and 3 rushing yards leaders next year. Game planing for Kiki Alonzo is not the same as game planing for shady McCoy.

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[quote=Daseal;1108246]A lot of people blasting Philly for this move. As a fan in their division I don't like it. McCoy was terrible last year. They traded a RB, granted a very good one, for an extremely talented LB. The big thing here is their cap. McCoy was going to make what, 30ish million over the next 2 years? Alonso 1.5 million? Thats an extra 28.5 they get to spend. They'll go to the draft and get another RB, especially this year.

Now they have the room to go get someone like a Mike Ipuitati (sp?) and/or a Suh. People we don't want to see. They got rid of a RB with declining production for an injured LB. I consider the two players about even. I think the cap savings is really big, especially after they cut Ryans.[/quote]

They did create a lot of cap space to spend, but we all know especially being Skins fans that teams aren't built in FA. You draft core players and hope they become good enough so you have to pay them. Chip better hope he can win with this strategy if not he will be fired within two years.

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At first, the Eagles seem silly and seems like a horrible move. Then, after points were raised as above - I'm starting to get nervous. Chip Kelly is either a complete idiot or a Bellichek-type genius doing a Jedi-Mind trick on us all.

Taking risk on cheap talented LB they could use for 8-10 years and fix a major weakness (D), instead of expensive RB for 2 years they may not need.. I'm hoping this backfires -- hoping Kiki doesn't come back the same after injury and hoping Chip loses the locker room... But the Eagles were surprisingly decent without DJax last year despite a backup QB, and if they get a good QB somehow, their offensive system could keep them dangerous despite offloading all of their talent. And that would be bad for us -- if the system makes everyday players good, then it's sustainable for years to come.

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^It's a huge risk though. Alonso's only played 1 season in the NFL and has two ACL tears and a torn labrum in the last 4 years, while McCoy is an elite running back and the best player on that team. The cap savings may be a plus now, but in two years you'll have to pay Alonso anyway... and it's gonna be a [I]huge[/I] salary if he recovers and plays as well as he did in Buffalo.

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Kellys ego is our reward, good riddance shady, good luck in buffalo.

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Schefter tweeted that Philly now has 9 Oregon players that played college ball for CK.

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McCoy killed us. Now he's gone from our division. That's what I call a good trade - for us!

Chip Kelly continues to display his desire to have as many former Oregon players as he can get. That makes me think that he will do whatever it takes to move up in the draft to select Mariota. Some team is going to fleece him so badly on draft day that he'll be wearing a barrel before the 10th pick is made. I'm going to enjoy that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1108256]it could be nice to not face the no 1 and 3 rushing yards leaders next year. [B]Game planing for Kiki Alonzo is not the same as game planing for shady McCoy.[/B][/quote]

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

[I]If[/I] Alonso recovers from the ACL and stays injury free, he [I]could[/I] be a stud inside linebacker for many years. Is he the next Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis? I think that is doubtful.

McCoy had a down year last year and still got 1,300 yards. He was not [I]as[/I] impactful as he has been in the past. In part, I think his lack of explosive plays last year was due in part to no longer having the threat of DJax to take the top off a defense (Maclin was very effective last year but just not the same type of threat). Frankly, and for similar reasons, I think in Buffalo he will be less effective than he was in CK's offense.

I still think he is a 1,200 yard back with good receiving skills and a better back than the CJ Spiller/F. Jackson combo Buffalo trotted out the last couple years. He probably has 3 really good years left, maybe 4. Will he be elite? probably not. Will he be great? Maybe. He will be a very good back for them and a significant upgrade on their offense.

With all of that said, I think he was a great/elite back in CK's offense and perfectly suited to give defenses fits trying to shut him down. He was part of the Philly mojo that seemed to own consistently own us, and I am very, very glad he is gone.

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Kelly is not the exactly the same as Spurrier but there a lots of similarities.

Both are/were arrogant and simply believe they are/were just smarter than everyone in the room (in Spurrier's case, it was more that he believed he knew football better than everyone else).

The big difference between them is that CK works hard and pays attention to details. That was simply not Spurrier's style and, ultimately, why he failed in the NFL.

In my mind, the jury is still out on CK. He's got a two years of winning records in the NFL and many aspects of his offense are being incorporated around the league. At the same time, his whole "we will run you ragged" approach is really overplayed. Other teams run "faster" offenses and he still has yet to show he can grind out wins when grinding needs be done. I am betting his whole "we practice, eat, and train differently" will also wear on players and is simply not a long term practicality. It's fine for college kids, but pros aren't 21 any more. Once they have been in the league for a few years, if they want to stay, they realize its a business and practicing their craft and perfecting their technique requires more than gimmicky practice routines.

Right now, CK's approach is still novel and has buy-in b/c of some instant success. Of course, that success was achieved with a couple of very talented playmakers in DJax and Shady and a very good offense line (Before last year, and ever since they signed Peters, the Eagles O-Line was probably the best in the division. Last year, however, they began to show some age). So, let's see how he does when he trots out the Ducks' offense with the same players he had in college (and Riley Cooper) and an O-Line that is no-longer elite.

I have been predicting the end of the Eagles for several years now and each time I am convinced they are, finally, headed back to irrelevance (you know, like us), they reemerge and win tons of games. So, while I am hopeful that Philly will crash and burn like the POS's they are, I will be convinced of it when they have had a two or three double digit loss seasons in a row. Hopefully, that starts soon.

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A little bit about Kiko:

[url=http://heavy.com/sports/2015/03/kiko-alonso-trade-buffalo-bills-philadelphia-eagles-stats-contract-salary-bio-wife-injury/]Kiko Alonso: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com[/url]

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A little more info on the trade:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/103389/top-stats-to-know-bills-eagles-big-swap]Bills and Eagles swap Kiko Alonso for LeSean McCoy - ESPN[/url]

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Last post Eagles post of the morning.

Kelly has just ripped apart the remnants of the perennial winner in Philly. Trent Cole, Todd Herremans, DeMeco Ryans (likely to be cut with Alonso trade).

It's all on him now.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/10731/with-lesean-mccoy-deal-its-kellys-team]With LeSean McCoy deal, the Philadelphia Eagles are Chip Kelly's team - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1108283]Last post Eagles post of the morning.

Kelly has just ripped apart the remnants of the perennial winner in Philly. Trent Cole, Todd Herremans, DeMeco Ryans (likely to be cut with Alonso trade).

It's all on him now.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/10731/with-lesean-mccoy-deal-its-kellys-team"]With LeSean McCoy deal, the Philadelphia Eagles are Chip Kelly's team - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Knowing the Redskins luck and my hate for Philly; I am postive it will all work out for Chip givving me years of heartburn. Congrats Philly!

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Chip Kelly has now gotten rid of two players who in 2013 accounted for almost 3,000 yards and 18 TDs.

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At first glance I was like WTF is Philly doing? I still think that to a degree but let's face it, teams just don't want to pay backs the crazy money these days. He's only 26 and has plenty of gas in the tank, might be one of those deals that work out well for both teams. I'm glad we won't have to see him 2x a year now.

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[quote=Mattyk;1108287]At first glance I was like WTF is Philly doing? I still think that to a degree but let's face it, teams just don't want to pay backs the crazy money these days. He's only 26 and has plenty of gas in the tank, might be one of those deals that work out well for both teams. I'm glad we won't have to see him 2x a year now.[/quote]

I guess it wouldn't be such a big deal if Kelly hadn't gotten rid of DJax the way that he did. But as you said, I'm thrilled we don't have to deal with McCoy.

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[quote=Mattyk;1108287]At first glance I was like WTF is Philly doing? I still think that to a degree but let's face it, teams just don't want to pay backs the crazy money these days. He's only 26 and has plenty of gas in the tank, might be one of those deals that work out well for both teams. I'm glad we won't have to see him 2x a year now.[/quote]

Dont you think McCoy would have fetched more than an injuried LB? Also, why didnt Buffalo try to include Foles?

Its also interesting Eagles are chosing to guys like Riley Cooper and Macklin(Im assuming they will pay him) over D Jax and Shady McCoy.


Also they get rid of Trent Cole a team leader instead of re working his deal and Cary Williams...a very solid CB.

These are huge gambles in which history shows dont work out.

Anybody remember Andy Reid clearing a bunch of cap space 4-5 years ago and then going on a spending spree? Anybody remember Spurrier bringing only in his ex florida players?

Interesting folks seem to forget recent history

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Has anyone thought about how quick Rex Ryan is taking over with the Bills ?This is a hell of a pick up for them .

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IMO, it is definitely a bad trade for Philly. Few backs in the NFL are as hard to contain as McCoy. His explosiveness and versatility covered for the very average WR's on that team. Now, with less of a running threat, the Philly offense is going to have more trouble moving the ball.

Also, I think Philly could and should have gotten more for McCoy. Alonzo is not equivalent value, IMO. They probably would have gotten more if Kelly wasn't so focused on bringing in former Oregon players. On top of that, Alonzo is coming off of a serious injury, so his play will probably be adversely affected by that this coming season.

But I'm all for the trade because it's good for us. Keep up the good work, Chip!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108291]IMO, it is definitely a bad trade for Philly. Few backs in the NFL are as hard to contain as McCoy. His explosiveness and versatility covered for the very average WR's on that team. Now, with less of a running threat, the Philly offense is going to have more trouble moving the ball.

Also, I think Philly could and should have gotten more for McCoy. Alonzo is not equivalent value, IMO. They probably would have gotten more if Kelly wasn't so focused on bringing in former Oregon players. On top of that, Alonzo is coming off of a serious injury, so his play will probably be adversely affected by that this coming season.

But I'm all for the trade because it's good for us. Keep up the good work, Chip![/quote]

Apparently Alonso has had two ACLs and one Torn Labrum all in the past four years.

I would imagine its almost like Chip said cool I can get a player I know and dump this huge contract. Instead of just flat out releasing him

Still it is very risky, but I almost wonder if he cleared space to attempt to sign a guy like Murray

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1108292]Apparently Alonso has had two ACLs and one Torn Labrum all in the past four years.

I would imagine its almost like Chip said cool I can get a player I know and dump this huge contract. Instead of just flat out releasing him

Still it is very risky, but I almost wonder if [B]he cleared space to attempt to sign a guy like Murray[/B][/quote]

my dream scenario is they cleared all that cap to re sign their QB, aka Dirty Sanchise :devil:

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[quote=Chico23231;1108289]Dont you think McCoy would have fetched more than an injuried LB? Also, why didnt Buffalo try to include Foles?

Its also interesting Eagles are chosing to guys like Riley Cooper and Macklin(Im assuming they will pay him) over D Jax and Shady McCoy.


Also they get rid of Trent Cole a team leader instead of re working his deal and Cary Williams...a very solid CB.

These are huge gambles in which history shows dont work out.

Anybody remember Andy Reid clearing a bunch of cap space 4-5 years ago and then going on a spending spree? Anybody remember Spurrier bringing only in his ex florida players?

Interesting folks seem to forget recent history[/quote]

I don't get the whole "look at the cap space they will have" comments on Twitter. I think of teams like Tampa and Oakland which always seem to have a lot of money to spend, yet that doesn't result in wins.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12419545/buffalo-bills-get-matt-cassell-trade-minnesota-vikings]Buffalo Bills get Matt Cassell in trade with Minnesota Vikings - ESPN[/url]

Bills not waiting around.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1108289]Dont you think McCoy would have fetched more than an injuried LB? Also, why didnt Buffalo try to include Foles?



Its also interesting Eagles are chosing to guys like Riley Cooper and Macklin(Im assuming they will pay him) over D Jax and Shady McCoy.





Also they get rid of Trent Cole a team leader instead of re working his deal and Cary Williams...a very solid CB.



These are huge gambles in which history shows dont work out.



Anybody remember Andy Reid clearing a bunch of cap space 4-5 years ago and then going on a spending spree? Anybody remember Spurrier bringing only in his ex florida players?



Interesting folks seem to forget recent history[/QUOTE]


Some are saying they wanted to deal him for picks but there were simply no worthwhile offers.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1108278]McCoy killed us. Now he's gone from our division. That's what I call a good trade - for us!

Chip Kelly continues to display his desire to have as many former Oregon players as he can get. That makes me think that he will do whatever it takes to move up in the draft to select Mariota. Some team is going to fleece him so badly on draft day that he'll be wearing a barrel before the 10th pick is made. I'm going to enjoy that.[/quote]

Remind you of a certain Visor wearing head coach we once had.

[IMG]http:///www.peoples.ru/sport/trainer/steve_spurrier/spurrier_6.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Mattyk;1108300]Some are saying they wanted to deal him for picks but there were simply no worthwhile offers.[/quote]

Profootball talk saying Eagles prefer Mark Ingram and will go after him. Mark Ingram's career long run is 35 yards set his rookie year and seems to miss games every year due to injury. All I can say is my fingers are crossed.

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[quote=Chico23231;1108302]Profootball talk saying Eagles prefer Mark Ingram and will go after him. Mark Ingram's career long run is 35 yards set his rookie year and seems to miss games every year due to injury. All I can say is my fingers are crossed.[/quote]

That's odd. You'd think that Shady fits Kelly's system better than Ingram.

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So the Eagles are unloading players in their prime to stockpile money for FA spending, while the Redskins are playing mellow looking to rebuild through the draft....?

What year did I just wake up in!?!?!?

Hopefully this is the beginning of a turnaround in our division.

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Did the Eagles get any draft picks along with this trade? Otherwise, I just don't see the logic in it? I am going to be extremely upset if this somehow, magically, works out for the Eagles. This is straight up Vinny Cerrato/Steve Spurrier territory.

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So I hear we re-signed Ihenacho. Isn't he the guy that tore his ACL about 30 seconds after we signed him from the Broncos? Geez, we have a tendency to go after fragile safties (Thomas, Merriweather, Ihenacho). Fragility is not something one would or should associate with that position.

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[quote=calia;1108311]So I hear we re-signed Ihenacho. Isn't he the guy that tore his ACL about 30 seconds after we signed him from the Broncos? Geez, we have a tendency to go after fragile safties (Thomas, Merriweather, Ihenacho). Fragility is not something one would or should associate with that position.[/quote]

Well, if we're re-signing these guys to heavily incentive-based contracts, then I'm more than OK with that. We need to be building through the draft anyway, and chances are, if there is a highly valuable safety out there in FA, then he wants a healthy contract.

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[quote=skinsguy;1108312]Well, if we're re-signing these guys to heavily incentive-based contracts, then I'm more than OK with that. We need to be building through the draft anyway, and chances are, if there is a highly valuable safety out there in FA, then he wants a healthy contract.[/quote]

I don't disagree with this at all, but we've had a lot of guys in the secondary with significant injury and who have missed significant time (Ihenacho, Thomas, Hall, Merriweather, Porter, T. Robinson). I realize a few of these folks won't be back, but looking at FAs that also have significant injury histories -- including the news about Tyvon Branch coming in for a visit; he's played in only 5 games the last 2 years -- doesn't seem terribly wise, as even these low risk contracts begin to add up.

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[quote=calia;1108311]So I hear we re-signed Ihenacho. Isn't he the guy that tore his ACL about 30 seconds after we signed him from the Broncos? Geez, we have a tendency to go after fragile safties (Thomas, Merriweather, Ihenacho). Fragility is not something one would or should associate with that position.[/quote]

Fractured heal, not an ACL.

At his price he'll have to earn a spot. No big risk for the team.