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[quote=budw38;1109469]Interesting article on Taylor Mays ( USC / Bengal ) [url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/3/13/8207461/taylor-mays-is-a-beast-folks]Taylor Mays is a beast, Folks - Hogs Haven[/url] . Not that he would solve or problems , but might be a nice addition if the money is right .[/quote]



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Hell no...lol Must be his agent trying to get him a gig somewhere.

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Here are some quotes about Jeron Johnson:

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamsonNFL/status/577301669232402432[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1109502]Here are some quotes about Jeron Johnson:

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamsonNFL/status/577301669232402432[/url][/quote]

Johnson sounds like a strong safety

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1274365]Jeron Johnson, Boise State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

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He nominally backed up both spots but, yes, he is most likely a strong safety.

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Any word on how the Johnson visit went??

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His "meeting" is today. Yesterday was a meet and greet dinner. He had the fish.

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More on my guy Jeron (from January 29, 2015):

[quote] Jeron Johnson, S, Seattle Seahawks; Age: 26.
The hard-hitting safety was signed by the Seahawks as an undrafted free agent in 2011, and he has been the team's top backup at the position in the time since. Multiple league sources said at least one NFC team tried to trade for him during the past few seasons, so even as a backup, Johnson has drawn the watchful eye of other clubs. That's a good sign for his market as a free agent, should he become available.[/quote]

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12243458/roy-helu-free-agent-sleepers-offseason-nfl?ex_cid=Insider_share_12243458_Adam_Caplan]Roy Helu among free-agent sleepers this offseason - NFL - ESPN[/url]

I admit it; I want this guy bad. In addition to his potential, he appears to be a good character guy. Given the buzz he generated in advance of the market opening, and the ability he has flashed in very limited playing time, I think that he is likely (1) going to turn into a real steal for somebody; (2) to be an upgrade over anybody currently on our roster; and (3) to be more than another "Just A Guy" safety (maybe not all-pro or regular pro-bowler but pretty much the next tier down from that). Finally, he makes drafting Langdon much less of a priority (both are SS with some FS ability).

Obviously, given his lack of playing time, all of this is speculation and counting on him to be all of the above is risky. At the same time, it is speculation consistent with a lot of other folks who have better info than any of us and a risk that more than one or two teams seem willing to take.

Regardless, I am betting he doesn't sign today. Scot McC will make him a solid, competitive offer but nothing outrageous. If the buzz on him is real, Jax has the resources to outbid us and probably will if his former coach Gus Brady (former Seattle DC, now Jax HC) [I]really[/I] wants him. I don't know the status of Jax's DB's - Anyone know if they are in need?

As I said, based on his alleged potential and the going rate for safeties, a reasonable contract for this guy would probably be in the 2.5-3.0M range but I can see teams going higher. Ultimately, in Scot I trust.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1109520]More on my guy Jeron (from January 29, 2015):



[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12243458/roy-helu-free-agent-sleepers-offseason-nfl?ex_cid=Insider_share_12243458_Adam_Caplan]Roy Helu among free-agent sleepers this offseason - NFL - ESPN[/url]

I admit it; I want this guy bad. In addition to his potential, he appears to be a good character guy. Given the buzz he generated in advance of the market opening, and the ability he has flashed in very limited playing time, I think that he is likely (1) going to turn into a real steal for somebody; (2) to be an upgrade over anybody currently on our roster; and (3) to be more than another "Just A Guy" safety (maybe not all-pro or regular pro-bowler but pretty much the next tier down from that). Finally, he makes drafting Langdon much less of a priority (both are SS with some FS ability).

Obviously, given his lack of playing time, all of this is speculation and counting on him to be all of the above is risky. At the same time, it is speculation consistent with a lot of other folks who have better info than any of us and a risk that more than one or two teams seem willing to take.

Regardless, I am betting he doesn't sign today. Scot McC will make him a solid, competitive offer but nothing outrageous. If the buzz on him is real, Jax has the resources to outbid us and probably will if his former coach Gus Brady (former Seattle DC, now Jax HC) [I]really[/I] wants him. I don't know the status of Jax's DB's - Anyone know if they are in need?

As I said, based on his alleged potential and the going rate for safeties, a reasonable contract for this guy would probably be in the 2.5-3.0M range but I can see teams going higher. Ultimately, in Scot I trust.[/quote]

Jacksonville just drafted Johnathan Cyprien to be their SS I'm 2013, if they are ready to give up on him I don't know, but they do have him and Josh Evans as their safeties. Here Johnson is almost guaranteed a starter spot, there he would have to earn it more.

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Johnson has signed. Seems like a more than solid signing. Plus he plays teams.

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i never heard of Jeron Johnson. Appears like he has some FO thinking he could be a decent starter if given the chance.

Not that this has been our MO up to this point, but i hope we dont fall in love with the idea of him and give him anything more than a few mil per.

Does anyone know the sticker price? does this young backup want 4+ mil per? that would be crazy considering we could have had Mike Mitchell for 5 mil per last year.

Looking at last years free agent FS compared to this offseason, we really screwed up a good opportunity to add a decent FS last year for reasonable money.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1109523]Johnson has signed. Seems like a more than solid signing. Plus he plays teams.[/quote]

[url=http://nfltraderumors.co/redskins-sign-s-jeron-johnson-to-a-two-year-4m-deal/]Redskins Sign S Jeron Johnson To A Two-Year, $4M Deal | NFL Trade Rumors - NFL Rumors[/url]

2 yrs, 2 mil per. Sounds reasonable.

It does nothing to address the FS spot though.

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They are just about out of money until they cut someone- money must be saved for draft choices, and IR players

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[quote=over the mountain;1109525][url=http://nfltraderumors.co/redskins-sign-s-jeron-johnson-to-a-two-year-4m-deal/]Redskins Sign S Jeron Johnson To A Two-Year, $4M Deal | NFL Trade Rumors - NFL Rumors[/url]

2 yrs, 2 mil per. Sounds reasonable.

It does nothing to address the FS spot though.[/quote]

Well, there you go. Excellent signing at a very reasonable price. Given the market, I think we got him for an excellent price.

Yes. We still need a free safety. Before today, however, we needed both.

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[quote=over the mountain;1109525][url=http://nfltraderumors.co/redskins-sign-s-jeron-johnson-to-a-two-year-4m-deal/]Redskins Sign S Jeron Johnson To A Two-Year, $4M Deal | NFL Trade Rumors - NFL Rumors[/url]

2 yrs, 2 mil per. Sounds reasonable.

It does nothing to address the FS spot though.[/quote]

I'm happy about it. We really needed to sign a safety, IMO.

Seems to be a good deal for both parties, even without knowing the particulars of the deal. It's a great opportunity for Johnson to make a name for himself as a starting safety in this league.

Johnson backed up the FS position, as well, so it remains to be seen how he'll be used. If the Skins sign Mays, you can bet that Johnson will play FS. If they don't sign Mays, then DHall or Amerson could be moved to free safety. I feel confident that the coaches will figure it all out.

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Follow-up note, in his one career start, JJ led the team in tackles.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014110909/2014/REG10/giants@seahawks#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000426274&tab=analyze&analyze=boxscore]Watch New York Giants vs. Seattle Seahawks [11/09/2014] - NFL.com[/url]

(Looked it up after noted by someone on twitter).

JoeRedskin gives this signing his official seal of approval.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1109526]They are just about out of money until they cut someone- money must be saved for draft choices, and IR players[/quote]

Yes, but they have a couple of guys who are practically begging to be cut based on their mediocre play versus their salaries. Plus the Skins could restructure a couple of contracts.

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YES.... i LOVE the J Johnson signing..and at a very reasonable price. I would give the FA an "A" so far with their dealings in FA given what was available with the funds they had..They still need to sign a FS a d possibly a TE (Gresham) the use the draft to address RT, OLB, ILB, and RB..

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[quote=Irrefutable;1109526]They are just about out of money until they cut someone- money must be saved for draft choices, and IR players[/quote]

Its not like we are completely up against it and we have alot of flexibility in creating space. We can extend Kerrigan and/or Silverback and we have cut-able contracts of Chester, Porter, and Paulsen.

We gonna be aight

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I think this shows that we won't be drafting Collins in the first round.

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[quote=Chico23231;1109535]Its not like we are completely up against it and we have alot of flexibility in creating space. We can extend Kerrigan and/or Silverback and we have cut-able contracts of Chester, Porter, and Paulsen.

We gonna be aight[/quote]

Our estimated draft pool, by at least one source, is 7.0M

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/projected-cap-space-for-all-2015-nfl-teams-502/]Projected Cap Space for all 2015 NFL Teams | Spotrac Research[/url]

Per Schneed, pre-JJ signing we have ~12.7M in space. Cuttting Chester, Paulsen and Porter creates another 7.1M (See OP in 2015 salary cap thread). If TW and RK get extended, even more space.

We are fine.

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Yes, even more on my boy JJ:

[quote]Although Johnson hasn’t played a lot on defense, he may get more playing time in the secondary in Washington. And he’ll undoubtedly improve the special teams;[B] he was the Seahawks’ leading tackler on kick coverage last season[/B].[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/16/jeron-johnson-signs-with-washington/]Jeron Johnson signs with Washington | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Nice.

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Cool shit!

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hopefully he can win the starting SS job.

- golf cart governor

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Would love Housler and Wysnieski next

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So at this point is there any OL players worth looking at?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1109561]So at this point is there any OL players worth looking at?[/quote]

Stefan Wisniewski is a good player who can play either C or G. I thought he'd be signed by now. He's scheduled to visit Seattle which just lost their starting C, Max Unger, in a trade.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1109526]They are just about out of money until they cut someone- money must be saved for draft choices, and IR players[/quote]

?
We went into the draft last year with around 2Mill. Right now after signing JJ (no Lotus, not that JJ), we are somewhere between 11 and 14Million. The main difference is that we will either have 1 or 2 (if some trade scenarios work out) 1st round picks.

We are nowhere near out of cap. And if we were, you would see a Kerrigan restructure in a heartbeat.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1109570]?
We went into the draft last year with around 2Mill. Right now after signing JJ (no Lotus, not that JJ), we are somewhere between 11 and 14Million. The main difference is that we will either have 1 or 2 (if some trade scenarios work out) 1st round picks.

We are nowhere near out of cap. And if we were, you would see a Kerrigan restructure in a heartbeat.[/quote]

Are you saying that Johnson is dyn-o-mite? :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1109570]?
We went into the draft last year with around 2Mill. Right now after signing JJ (no Lotus, not that JJ), we are somewhere between 11 and 14Million. The main difference is that we will either have 1 or 2 (if some trade scenarios work out) 1st round picks.

We are nowhere near out of cap. And if we were, you would see a Kerrigan restructure in a heartbeat.[/quote]

I think they are closer to $11 million than $14 million - reportedly they need about $6 million for draft picks, and about $5 million for money to sign replacement players for guys that go on the IR

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1109584]I think they are closer to $11 million than $14 million - reportedly they need about $6 million for draft picks, and about $5 million for money to sign replacement players for guys that go on the IR[/QUOTE]

Prior to signing Johnson, we had 12.7M per Schneed which puts at about 10.7M with easy moves to get us to 17.5M (cut Paulsen, Chester & Porter).

We have plenty of room.



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Getting the feeling that MLB is less of an issue in the eyes of the FO than it is on this board.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1109586]Prior to signing Johnson, we had 12.7M per Schneed which puts at about 10.7M with easy moves to get us to 17.5M (cut Paulsen, Chester & Porter).

We have plenty of room.



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as I said earlier we out out of money until there are cuts made

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[quote=Irrefutable;1109590]as I said earlier we out out of money until there are cuts made[/quote]

your logic is off, at this moment we have about 10M.
it's that simple.

Heck the Chiefs on Overthecap.com are at -587K.

There are 11 teams that have less cap space at this moment then we do.

BUT,

with a stroke of a pen (restructuring/resigning Kerrigan) we gain another 6million which would leave only 12 teams with more cap space.

That's before a single cut would have to happen.

BUT
cuts will happen.
Tracy Porter will be cut, that's +2M

and that puts us up to 9th highest cap space approximately.

Bottomline:
You can't cry no money based on future expenses, while ignoring future savings.

We have a middle of the pack cap number now, and have made several solid budget wise moves.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1109590]as I said earlier we out out of money until there are cuts made[/QUOTE]

No. You are just wrong.

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And just to flesh out the cap numbers (from Overthecap), rounded to the closest Million
The Skins have 11M as do the Colts and Panthers
Cardinals are at 9M(and are trying to get Adrian Peterson) as are the Ravens
Steelers and Texans are at 8M
[B]Eagles[/B] are at 7M
[B]Cowboys[/B], Lions are at 6M
[B]Giants[/B] are at 4M
Saints are at 3M (after truly going through cap hell to clear space)
and the Chiefs are at 0M

You may have noticed we have the MOST cap space in our division, by about 4Million.

This is not your VC Redskins.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1109592]No. You are just wrong.[/quote]

Wait, I thought you made the long winded arguments, and I took the short approach. Red is Blue, Up is down, Dogs are cats. Craziness has come! :)

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great signing. we got a guy with upside and very good ST play instead of any one of a list of known bad players. 2M/per is peanuts too if he's anywhere near a solid starter, especially since some good ST players get near that just for running kick coverage.

A+.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1109592]No. You are just wrong.[/quote]

you are right, however they must budget for the draft, and IR expenses

The budget is about equal to the current cap space

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1109595]Wait, I thought you made the long winded arguments, and I took the short approach. Red is Blue, Up is down, Dogs are cats. Craziness has come! :)[/quote]

lol ... me? long winded? never!

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[quote=Kindoy;1109589]Getting the feeling that MLB is less of an issue in the eyes of the FO than it is on this board.[/quote]

I think the D line has a pretty big affect on the MLB. With our signings on the D line, I think the focus has shifted elsewhere. I think having a true NG will have a decent sized impact on MLB. Not that the position is fixed, but that it is less of a priority now that we have added to the D line.

Cant fix everything in one offseason so get some base parts in place, then can add more in future years to continue going in the right direction.