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[quote=mredskins;1129093]I don't think in the history of professional sports has a fan cut a player.

Did someone on here cut Rambo?[/quote]

BREAKING NEWS: KI SKINS Fan just signed Cousins to a 5 year 100 million dollar contract...ALL Guaranteed!

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[quote=Chico23231;1129096]BREAKING NEWS: KI SKINS Fan just signed Cousins to a 5 year 100 million dollar contract...ALL Guaranteed![/quote]

I definitely deserved that! I don't mind being thought of as Kirk's #1 fan but I must admit that I do get a bit bombastic about him from time to time. I mean, I love what he's done so far this season. I want so much for our QB problems to be solved that I may tend to overrate him.

Nevertheless, if I could sign him I would. I think he's a mid-tier starter right now and I don't think he's anywhere near reaching his ceiling.

I think he'll probably get a 3-year $45MM deal with $15MM guaranteed. You may think that's high but, as long as he continues to improve, there will be enough interest in him to command that kind of money. There are some weak-ass starting QB's in the NFL right now and the 2016 QB draft class is nothing special.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1129097]I also promised him that you would give him a BJ.[/QUOTE]


Lol....


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[quote=Brody81;1129098]Lol....


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Whoops! I was too late in deleting that. It was meant in good humor, though. Chico is a good man.

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yea that is funny..i will use the same argument the rest of the year! go back and read the fans calling for rambo to be let go..thats my point. most fans were calling him a bum..you have guys on here now that want Gruden gone. THANK GOD FANS don't have a say.

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I'm curious what type of money they think Fitzpatrick and Tyrod would get if they were in Kirk's shoes?

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[quote=rocnrik;1129101]yea that is funny..i will use the same argument the rest of the year! go back and read the fans calling for rambo to be let go..thats my point. most fans were calling him a bum..you have guys on here now that want Gruden gone. THANK GOD FANS don't have a say.[/quote]

The fans didn't cut Rambo. The Redskins did. As you know, he was horrible while he was here, so please don't try to re-write history. If he has turned his career around, good for him!

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[quote=NoCalHail;1129071]I think the biggest difference against the Saints was the running game was working which helped setup the pass and play action. Also, for the first time forever, screen passes were producing big yardage.

The offense itself though wasn't different. This is a WCO through and through, which traditionally is not about downfield passing. Go watch clips of the 49ers under Walsh. Montana was a a surgeon with how he delivered the ball to WR's in space so short completions would turn into long gains. It is very similar to the Pats offense. 3 step drops, quick passes, looking for mis-matches. THAT is what a WCO is.

With that said, many coordinators through the years have modified the WCO to add in more deep passing, depending on the personnel. For example, with Jackson and Reed (and hopefully eventually Ross) you are going to have the opportunity to take shots downfield and the hope is that the few times a game you get them, you take advantage because it further opens up space underneath.

My biggest concern earlier in the season watching the offense was what would happen when we played teams that were able to make tackles at the point of the catch. There were a lot of passes where the WR's were stopping to make the catch, or the throw would dictate them needing to stop, turn around, etc etc....it could have been timing issues, still learning the offense, fundamentally sound defense from opponents etc etc etc....

Also in a WCO the run game is used almost as an extension of the passing game, which is why a guy like Matt Jones is so important because he can take screen passes to the house with his speed and acceleration.[/quote]

Excellent analysis. Jay Gruden called the perfect game. It was a good mixture of run and pass. Finally the formations did not give away the play call. The running plays complemented the passing plays and the running backs were apart of the passing game. Jay must be reading our posts.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129137]1. Do you think that the Redskins are still in the process of deciding if they want Kirk to be their starting QB going forward?[/quote]

Yes. Would it be prudent to do otherwise?

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129137]2. If they were to decide not to re-sign him, wouldn't that set back the team building process?[/quote]

If they decided not to sign a QB who finished the year with say 18 TDs and 23 INTs, and a record of 6-10, then I'd say the rebuilding process was already set back. Throwing good money at such a QB would be a terrible decision. If they decided not to sign a QB who finished with a flourish, then obviously that would be a dumb decision. Are you kind of getting the pattern that it makes sense to wait for all information from the final 7 games to come in?

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129137]2. If Kirk isn't the choice as QB of the future, where are we going to find another QB for next season?[/quote]

Every fan's worst fear right here. If Cousins is horrible down the stretch then we can resign him for cheap, maybe he'll turn into something in a few years. And it's back to the draft... again.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129137]4. If he is the choice as our QB, then it's a matter of coming to a deal with him and his agent. With that in mind, why would he sign for $12MM per year for three years (albeit mostly guaranteed) when he could simply hold out for more and force the Redskins to tag him and pay him @ $25MM in 2016, fully guaranteed and paid to him in 2016? [/quote]

He could very well do that. But when I assess the personalities involved, I don't find a cut-throat negotiation very likely.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129137]I ask these questions because I believe that Kirk is either now or may soon be in a much stronger negotiating position than most other posters here think.[/quote]

You're absolutely right, if he shreds it the last 7 games then he'll have a very strong position. But if you sign him now, even if you sign him for less, you are taking a pretty big risk. What if he flops down the stretch? He's getting his first chance to start this year, he's taken a lot of strides. But one thing we've still not seen is how he'll do late in the season with playoff implications on the line. Can he rise to the big moment?

You're assessing the risk that we might have to pay out the ear to keep him, because your glasses are so burgundy & gold that you can barely think of any other scenario than Kirk shredding it. While I hope in my heart of hearts that's the case, you have to consider the possibility that he shrinks under the spotlight, or simply goes back to failing to take care of the ball.

It's prudent to wait. If he costs us $16M per year instead of $12M, it means that he did well this year and is proving he can be the man. What a nice problem to have.

A terrible problem to have would be commit $12M per year to a guy who reveals himself to be the next Mark Sanchez.

Let's wait and see.

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Don't want to hijack this thread but since Rambo was brought up, I will say that when we drafted him most analysis on him said that is was purely based on potential because of his athleticism and physicality. He definitely was not an NFL-ready player, not even by rookie standards.

With that said, not every team is in a good position to sit around and wait for someone to take 3 seasons to blossom. If I remember correctly, when he was drafted, injuries at the position forced him into a role he was clearly not ready for. The ideal situation for a rookie Rambo would have been a late round draft pick up for a team that is already pretty solid in their secondary so he could sit back learn the system, hone is skills, and then slowly be implemented into the game.

I think him being cut from our team was justified at the time. It doesn't mean he still didn't have potential to be a good player one day, it just wasn't a good fit here. Also, before we go crowning him a "stud" He has still looked prety iffy at numerous times this season. One great game will not define him.

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Rambo has been good in Buffalo in general, not just in this one game. I think it's a matter of coaching and scheme fit. Say what you want about Rex but the guy gets a lot out of his defensive talent.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129137]If Kirk is now or becomes the choice as our QB of the future by the end of this season, then why would he sign for $12MM per year for three years (albeit mostly guaranteed) when he could simply hold out for more and force the Redskins to tag him and pay him @ $25MM in 2016, fully guaranteed and paid to him in 2016?

If Kirk were to be tagged, he would already have $25MM in his pocket and be in a position to negotiate again prior to the 2017 season. Assuming that he performs well in 2016, he would then be in a negotiating position to make much more than $36MM in the next three years.

I believe that Kirk is the QB of the future and that he may now be or soon be in a much stronger negotiating position than most other posters here think.[/quote]

Did you edit this post?

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4 yrs/52 mil/40% guaranteed.

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Good for Rambo, unfortunately teams don't always have the luxury of giving guys time to develop especially when they are late bloomers. That said I could care less about what he's doing.

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[quote=Schneed10;1129144]Did you edit this post?[/quote]

Yes but I should have left it alone. I deleted this because your answers include the questions and should be sufficient to continue the thread.

Thanks for answering the original post.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1129139]Yes. Would it be prudent to do otherwise?



If they decided not to sign a QB who finished the year with say 18 TDs and 23 INTs, and a record of 6-10, then I'd say the rebuilding process was already set back. Throwing good money at such a QB would be a terrible decision. If they decided not to sign a QB who finished with a flourish, then obviously that would be a dumb decision. Are you kind of getting the pattern that it makes sense to wait for all information from the final 7 games to come in?



Every fan's worst fear right here. If Cousins is horrible down the stretch then we can resign him for cheap, maybe he'll turn into something in a few years. And it's back to the draft... again.



He could very well do that. But when I assess the personalities involved, I don't find a cut-throat negotiation very likely.



You're absolutely right, if he shreds it the last 7 games then he'll have a very strong position. But if you sign him now, even if you sign him for less, you are taking a pretty big risk. What if he flops down the stretch? He's getting his first chance to start this year, he's taken a lot of strides. But one thing we've still not seen is how he'll do late in the season with playoff implications on the line. Can he rise to the big moment?

You're assessing the risk that we might have to pay out the ear to keep him, because your glasses are so burgundy & gold that you can barely think of any other scenario than Kirk shredding it. While I hope in my heart of hearts that's the case, you have to consider the possibility that he shrinks under the spotlight, or simply goes back to failing to take care of the ball.

It's prudent to wait. If he costs us $16M per year instead of $12M, it means that he did well this year and is proving he can be the man. What a nice problem to have.

A terrible problem to have would be commit $12M per year to a guy who reveals himself to be the next Mark Sanchez.

Let's wait and see.[/QUOTE

I think I finally understand what you're saying. You're right, it is prudent to wait. Just about anything could happen between now and when it's time to negotiate.

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For those of us out of towners that don't have NFL ticket, it looks like our game will be the local fox game for the majority of the country. I remember seeing a commercial a few days back showing Dallas vs. Miami as the top billed game, but I Washington vs. Carolina definitely has more intrigue and the networks have recognized it.

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[quote=NoCalHail;1129167]For those of us out of towners that don't have NFL ticket, it looks like our game will be the local fox game for the majority of the country. I remember seeing a commercial a few days back showing Dallas vs. Miami as the top billed game, but I Washington vs. Carolina definitely has more intrigue and the networks have recognized it.[/quote]

Unfortunately this clown ass area will be showing the fagboy sheagles smh

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[quote=Meks;1129171]Unfortunately this clown ass area will be showing the fagboy sheagles smh[/quote]

Two words for you: Sports Bar!

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[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1129167]For those of us out of towners that don't have NFL ticket, it looks like our game will be the local fox game for the majority of the country. I remember seeing a commercial a few days back showing Dallas vs. Miami as the top billed game, but I Washington vs. Carolina definitely has more intrigue and the networks have recognized it.[/QUOTE]


Nice! I always check the guide on Tuesday or Wednesday when its updated and thats what it showed. Cowboys vs Miami and of course Tampa Philly. Now it says Skins vs Panthers. Sweet!
Edit: so far this year every game except the Bucs was on tv here in NJ.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129182]Two words for you: Sports Bar![/quote]

Every weekend my frkend, lol

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[quote=Schneed10;1129143]Rambo has been good in Buffalo in general, not just in this one game. I think it's a matter of coaching and scheme fit. Say what you want about Rex but the guy gets a lot out of his defensive talent.[/quote]

The coaching is different. And he's not being asked to do what doesn't suit his strengths.

I'm happy he fits in with what Buffalo is trying to do with him. When he picked off Aaron Rodgers twice last year I knew the reasons why. Rambo is truly a great safety.

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Great?

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Wow slow gown on the kool-aid. Rambo has been toasted a few times this yr he's still an avg player at best. He's playing around way more talent in Buffalo.

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WTF status reached...

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Who is Kirk Cousins? The long-lost-blue-eyed-soul-brother of HOF bound Bacarri Rambo.

Question 3: Answered.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1129203]Who is Kirk Cousins? The long-lost-blue-eyed-soul-brother of HOF bound Bacarri Rambo.



Question 3: Answered.[/QUOTE]


Nailed it

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1129195]The coaching is different. And he's not being asked to do what doesn't suit his strengths.

I'm happy he fits in with what Buffalo is trying to do with him. When he picked off Aaron Rodgers twice last year I knew the reasons why. Rambo is truly a great safety.[/quote]

Truly a great safety huh.

I saw a fox last night having sex with a raccoon. The babies will look like this.

[IMG]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/ankygr3/swiper_clr_01.gif[/IMG]

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Rambo was seriously efffing horrible, as was Phillip Thomas and David Amerson. That 2013 draft class sucked. Only one starter out of that draft three years later.

Rambo was a 6th rounder so not a big deal. It was the Amerson and Thomas picks that are piss poor. Those two guys should be starters here.

Bruce Allen should never ever ever be allowed anywhere near a draft room.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129222]Rambo was seriously efffing horrible, as was Phillip Thomas and David Amerson. That 2013 draft class sucked. Only one starter out of that draft three years later.

Rambo was a 6th rounder so not a big deal. It was the Amerson and Thomas picks that are piss poor. Those two guys should be starters here.

Bruce Allen should never ever ever be allowed anywhere near a draft room.[/quote]

At the time Shanahan was in charge of the draft picks. But otherwise, yeah.

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This thread is officially a weird mess.

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Nobody talks about the insight of the redskins to draft Cousins in the 4th round after trading all the picks for RGIII..somebody knew that RGIII was not a lock to make it ..how much better off would the skins be if they had never got mixed up in the RGIII deal and just took cousins in the 3rd or 4th round ..we will never know.. just adding to the weird thread.

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If Cousins turns out to have a very good career, we'll all look back on Shanahan much differently.

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I got a good feeling about Cousins being the future long term QB..he might never be a superstar but with the right players around him he could be very very good for a long time. I just hope if he has a bad game folks don't start in again about him not being the answer..all QB's have those games.

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[quote=rocnrik;1129238]I got a good feeling about Cousins being the future long term QB..he might never be a superstar but with the right players around him he could be very very good for a long time. [b]I just hope if he has a bad game folks don't start in again about him not being the answer[/b]..all QB's have those games.[/quote]

Lol, keep dreaming friend..

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1129235]If Cousins turns out to have a very good career, we'll all look back on Shanahan much differently.[/QUOTE]


Ill look back the same way plus he got lucky once.
Which begs the question, who was Mike Shanahan?

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The last coach to get us in the playoffs..and back to back superbowls with Denver.Redskins could have done a lot worse than Shanny..in fact he said he thought Cousins was going to be a very good QB.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1129242]The last coach to get us in the playoffs..and back to back superbowls with Denver.Redskins could have done a lot worse than Shanny..in fact he said he thought Cousins was going to be a very good QB.[/QUOTE]


He also said John Beck was going to be a very good QB, and in between his playoff runs had some pretty miserable seasons. He was a mastermind at finding rb's and building run games for sure. Ive always given him credit for winning with Elway who was way past his prime. His zbs run scheme was genius when he had the rite pieces. He was terrible at assembling or coaching the rest of his teams and a stubborn bitch who rubbed alot of staff n players the wrong way though. Anyway i was kidding and cannot believe im back on the shanahan talk. Lol. Plus Goat n G-tripp arent around to back me up anymore!

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He was 24-40 with the Redskins. Couldnt have done that much worse.