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His qbr and rating on espn - which i dont understand either- are the worst in the game and it isn’t even close. I do understand that can’t be good at all. Unless they model their scores after golf.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1239375]This part is a yes, all overages / schemes are charted every game.[/quote]

Cool, it’s important.

My biggest want from PFF would be more data to support the overall grade. As an Example, they should chart items for defense such as: missed tackle/opportunity to tackle..like a tackling percentage, blown coverage responsibly in the secondary, number of times defenders get hands on ball, etc.

Offense I would like more numbers like yards after contact, tackles broken, completion percentage by pass catchers, completion percentages broken down by air yards for qb, etc. olinemen: missed blocks, key block responsibility which lead to loss of yards and key block responsibility which lead to breaking a big play.

Also, penalties responsibility by each player and total yards cost.

Make it happen...

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[quote=punch it in;1239393]His qbr and rating on espn - which i dont understand either- are the worst in the game and it isn’t even close. I do understand that can’t be good at all. [B]Unless they model their scores after golf.[/B][/quote]

Now that's the positive thinking I like to see Lloyd Christmas. So you're telling me there's a chance he's actually awesome?

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[quote=punch it in;1239393]His qbr and rating on espn - which i dont understand either- are the worst in the game and it isn’t even close. I do understand that can’t be good at all. Unless they model their scores after golf.[/quote]

I think QBR is nothing but fun with numbers, it never made a lot of sense to me and I think the formula is a big secret.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1239400]I think QBR is nothing but fun with numbers, it never made a lot of sense to me and I think the formula is a big secret.[/QUOTE]



I know but when you take a look at the leaders and than the guys down near Haskins it seems fairly in tune with reality

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[quote=Chico23231;1239397]Cool, it’s important.

My biggest want from PFF would be more data to support the overall grade. As an Example, they should chart items for defense such as: missed tackle/opportunity to tackle..like a tackling percentage, blown coverage responsibly in the secondary, number of times defenders get hands on ball, etc.

Offense I would like more numbers like yards after contact, tackles broken, completion percentage by pass catchers, completion percentages broken down by air yards for qb, etc. olinemen: missed blocks, key block responsibility which lead to loss of yards and key block responsibility which lead to breaking a big play.

Also, penalties responsibility by each player and total yards cost.

Make it happen...[/quote]

Me too my man haha, It's in the works

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[quote=punch it in;1239607]I know but when you take a look at the leaders and than the guys down near Haskins it seems fairly in tune with reality[/quote]

Very true. However, his QBR has been doubling almost every game. There’s a very clear trajectory that also seems in tune with reality. Every game he plays seems to be better than the one before.

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Haskins has his best game against a decent team who HAD TO WIN to stay in a playoff position in the crappy NFC East. In just his 6th NFL game he posted a QB rating of 121 (max is 154) with 2 TD’s, no INT and NO sacks. He showed grit and situational awareness in a critical running play in the red zone, that helped lead to a TD. He also had two passes go through the hands of Steve Sims, including one in the end zone (although Sims redeemed himself later with a great catch in the back of the end zone).

I am curious first about all the posters who thought the team should SIT Haskins for his entire first season or more. What do you say now?

There are others, including myself, who have questioned whether he had that “it” factor to be an elite QB. One game does not a career make and we’ll have to see if he can keep it up next week against the Giants.

After this season he and Redskins fans has some things to look forward to in 2020:

1. I believe the Redskins will make a FA play for the best TE available in the NFL. This will help out his passing game because we have awful TE game-fillers right now, who can’t get open, nor catch, nor block. Reed and Davis are done.

2. I believe Snyder will hire a offensive-centered HC, who can only help improve this offense and Haskins.

3. Depending on whether we are in a draft position to draft Chase Young or whether he even IS in the year’s draft, I believe we’ll draft OT Andrew Thomas or the best OT available. He’ll go into Trent’s or Mose’s spot. I think we.’ll draft two OL draft picks to solidify the OL with new talent and youth.

4. Haskins will be able to work on his QB skills in the off season.

His performance today was impressive and I might remind everyone that even QB greats like Peyton Manning has TERRIBLE rookie seasons.


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I'm curious on the grading of happiness this week.

He looked much improved. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

Anecdotally, he seems to be improving.

Not being excited about anything with this team, I'm open to being excited about him in the future...

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Major improvement, he didn't take any sacks, and didn't have any interceptions. The footwork and throwing motion are becoming more consistent. He still threw off his back foot and side armed a couple short passes. As his fundamentals improve and become more consistent, so does the accuracy, amazing! The arm strength is nuts. I seems like he can throw a 30 yard dart with just a flick of the wrist.

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Easily his best game, he still play much better. Let's keep it rolling next week.

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He looked very promising to me on Sunday.

There is absolutely no doubt that he has an NFL arm.

Beyond that, his footwork was better for the most part, although it failed him at some key times in the game.

His progressions in his reads is much improved. He went to secondary receivers more than ever. He needs to speed up his reads but that is coming.

To me, the speed of the NFL game is giving him the most trouble right now but he is adjusting to it.

His accuracy is improving. In fact he made some outstanding throws in this game, some of which were caught and some of which were dropped.

He's starting to recognize what the defense is trying to do and reacting to it.

I love the way he plays the game! He competes at a high level and he really enjoys playing football. I think he's becoming a real leader.

Yes, that's right, I am on the Haskins Bandwagon.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1239664]He looked very promising to me on Sunday.

There is absolutely no doubt that he has an NFL arm.

Beyond that, his footwork was better for the most part, although it failed him at some key times in the game.

His progressions in his reads is much improved. He went to secondary receivers more than ever. He needs to speed up his reads but that is coming.

To me, the speed of the NFL game is giving him the most trouble right now but he is adjusting to it.

His accuracy is improving. In fact he made some outstanding throws in this game, some of which were caught and some of which were dropped.

He's starting to recognize what the defense is trying to do and reacting to it.

I love the way he plays the game! He competes at a high level and he really enjoys playing football. I think he's becoming a real leader.

Yes, that's right, I am on the Haskins Bandwagon.[/quote]

He kinda has that Cam Newton esque style of play in that he is always smiling and he can actually move very well for as big as he is.. He faked the hell out of Graham on that option play, and he also gets out of the pocket better than people said. I'm a fan of his toughness as well

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1239664]He looked very promising to me on Sunday.

There is absolutely no doubt that he has an NFL arm.

Beyond that, his footwork was better for the most part, although it failed him at some key times in the game.

His progressions in his reads is much improved. He went to secondary receivers more than ever. He needs to speed up his reads but that is coming.

To me, the speed of the NFL game is giving him the most trouble right now but he is adjusting to it.

His accuracy is improving. In fact he made some outstanding throws in this game, some of which were caught and some of which were dropped.

He's starting to recognize what the defense is trying to do and reacting to it.

I love the way he plays the game! He competes at a high level and he really enjoys playing football. I think he's becoming a real leader.

Yes, that's right, I am on the Haskins Bandwagon.[/quote]

It's a week to week league. If he plays bad next week the narrative will be dramatically change. He needs to have another good game next week.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/hate-redskins-loss-eagles-if-you-want-it-was-ideal-outcome[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1239668]It's a week to week league. If he plays bad next week the narrative will be dramatically change. He needs to have another good game next week.[/quote]

[B]MY[/B] narrative won't change next week! I think he is a very solid prospect who simply needs hard work, experience and time to develop.

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He showed he can make 3 step drop quick throws .. when his first read is open and the read is in front of him.

He throws off his back foot. Is that just who he is? He throws off his back foot when theres no pressure. Like its just his natural throwing mechanics.

Hes calm in the pocket, keeps his eyes down field well for a rookie.

He fit some balls into some tight spaces that when it works, great throw .. if it doesnt, hes forcing it. Yesterday, it worked for him.

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Its good to see him "see it, throw it" this game but Id like to see him take the next step and throw guys open and throw to a space where the WR hasnt broke yet.

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[QUOTE=Coff;1239628]Very true. However, his QBR has been doubling almost every game. There’s a very clear trajectory that also seems in tune with reality. Every game he plays seems to be better than the one before.[/QUOTE]



Until yesterday that trajectory was so slow based on the eye test it was almost stagnant. Maybe even went backwards at times. Hopefully we see more of yesterday these last couple weeks and I can exhale going into the offseason knowing quarterback is not a need.

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Dwayne Haskins from a clean pocket yesterday:

- 77.5 overall grade
- 82.4% adjusted completion percentage
- 144.7 passer rating

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He’s had steady improvement and his best game against a decent team. He’s only been in 6 games and he posts a 121 QB rating. He will have hiccups as a rookie, but I’m encouraged.

I seriously doubt the Redskins will use a high draft pick for QB. They may go for a project QB.


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The first pass of the game he fit it in a tight window to Terry, after that he was confident u could tell from the film.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1239758]He’s had steady improvement and his best game against a decent team. He’s only been in 6 games and he posts a 121 QB rating. He will have hiccups as a rookie, but I’m encouraged.

I seriously doubt the Redskins will use a high draft pick for QB. They may go for a project QB.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Haskins was a DS pick, it helps our situation if he makes himself attractive to coaches because it reduces a major source of conflict with our dysfunctional owner. At this point it seems clear BA will not be outright fired so we need as much positive as possible to get a decent coaching staff in place.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1239782]The first pass of the game he fit it in a tight window to Terry, after that he was confident u could tell from the film.[/quote]

He's one of those guys you want to get into a rhythm early, once he gets some confidence going it just snowballs for him.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1239801]Haskins was a DS pick, it helps our situation if he makes himself attractive to coaches because it reduces a major source of conflict with our dysfunctional owner. At this point it seems clear BA will not be outright fired so we need as much positive as possible to get a decent coaching staff in place.

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Dan Snyder was part of the Haskins draft pick, but at the time this was well received by the media, with some sports articles listing the Redskins as having an “A” draft grade for the 2018 draft.

Look at who is playing in this team NOW, from that draft class and UDFA - Haskins, Sweat,MCLAURIN, HARMON, Martin, HOLCOMB, Steve Smith. THIS HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING ROOKIE CLASS!

The key person, in my eyes, is KYLE SMITH, the Scouting Manager. The team has had excellent pickups in the last 2 seasons under his direction. I’m for making him the GM. I still believe Bruce Allen will be fired and his place taken over formally or informally by Alex Smith. We shall see!


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[quote=MTK;1239805]He's one of those guys you want to get into a rhythm early, once he gets some confidence going it just snowballs for him.[/quote]

Yeah lets give him time , I believe he'll be the guy we want

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[quote=Warthog;1239936]

Look at who is playing in this team NOW, from that draft class and UDFA - Haskins, Sweat,MCLAURIN, HARMON, Martin, HOLCOMB, Steve Smith. [B]THIS HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING ROOKIE CLASS!
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too early imo.

3 years form now, Terry may be the only guy on the team or Haskins/Sweat are both busts playing back up roles (2 1st R and 2nd R = not contributing)

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1239939]too early imo.



3 years form now, Terry may be the only guy on the team or Haskins/Sweat are both busts playing back up roles (2 1st R and 2nd R = not contributing)[/QUOTE]



Really? McLaurin may hit 1000 yds in his first season. Usually it takes WR a season or two or three to get in stride. Some never get it - like Doctson. If he had a better QB situation he would have been in the Rookie-of-the-Year territory. McLaurin will be our #1 WR for a decade.

Holcomb - he could be elite DB. Already, he’s very good, even with a very poor DC.

Steve Sims and Harmon -still too soon for a long-term prediction. But they’re decent WR rookies now. Sims is already a good KR special teams guy.

Haskins /Sweat - decent rookie seasons. Haskins has a 121 QB rating in his sixth game. That’s encouraging. Sweat has been slightly discouraging but the whole defense is handicapped by poor coaching.

Martin - OL, he had a decent first game. We’ll have to see how he does after the next 2 games.

This is a very good rookie class. This is encouraging because the Redskins have not had a good drafting ability in a long time. We’ve had two good drafting seasons in a row. This is because of Kyle Smith - I hope he is promoted to GM.













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Terry is the real deal because he has the speed and quickness to get open, also has great hands.. He's about as sure as it gets IMO

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Before the draft Haskins was compared to Jameis and after this rookie season so far I actually see that.. Both are Big guys, Huge arms , can move better than they look and can fir it in tight windows.

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Solid draft class so far. Need to take the next step next year. There's a lot of good young pieces here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1239977]Solid draft class so far. Need to take the next step next year. There's a lot of good young pieces here.[/quote]

We're close. We're close

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"I throw up watching that film," Haskins said on Wednesday, via NBC Sports Washington. "I don't like watching that tape. That's a totally different guy."

"[B]It's just I'm a whole different player than I was back then[/B], and that's just something that I feel watching that tape is not me and it wasn't me out there," Haskins said. "You want to look at it and be like, 'That's what I messed up on,' and move on from it. I don't mind watching it. I just prefer to watch something else."

Haskins' shoddy footwork remains an issue, as is his prosperity to walk into sacks, and he owns the lowest passer rating in the NFL among QBs with 150-plus attempts (70.2), but his big arm is NFL-caliber and as he gains rapport with receivers, the light has beginning to gradually fade on.
[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001089596/article/haskins-on-first-giants-game-i-throw-up-watching-that-film[/url]

Perhaps Im being too nit picky with the young man but youve only started 6 games, this is your rookie year ... you havent proved anything. You are still that same player from 3 months ago. His thought that he has grown so much over 6 starts and doesnt have to study the film to learn from his mistakes is hubris and humorous to me. Hes placing himself ahead of where he really is on the learning curve. He shouldnt be running away from bad film but digesting it and breaking it down.

Seems like hed rather watch his good film and try and learn from that.

RG3 lite to me.

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[quote=SunnySide;1240003]"I throw up watching that film," Haskins said on Wednesday, via NBC Sports Washington. "I don't like watching that tape. That's a totally different guy."

"[B]It's just I'm a whole different player than I was back then[/B], and that's just something that I feel watching that tape is not me and it wasn't me out there," Haskins said. "You want to look at it and be like, 'That's what I messed up on,' and move on from it. I don't mind watching it. I just prefer to watch something else."

Haskins' shoddy footwork remains an issue, as is his prosperity to walk into sacks, and he owns the lowest passer rating in the NFL among QBs with 150-plus attempts (70.2), but his big arm is NFL-caliber and as he gains rapport with receivers, the light has beginning to gradually fade on.
[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001089596/article/haskins-on-first-giants-game-i-throw-up-watching-that-film[/url]

Perhaps Im being too nit picky with the young man but youve only started 6 games, this is your rookie year ... you havent proved anything. You are still that same player from 3 months ago. His thought that he has grown so much over 6 starts and doesnt have to study the film to learn from his mistakes is hubris and humorous to me. Hes placing himself ahead of where he really is on the learning curve. He shouldnt be running away from bad film but digesting it and breaking it down.

Seems like hed rather watch his good film and try and learn from that.

RG3 lite to me.[/quote]

Your link turned into an ad for NFL Game Pass for me. From what you quoted Haskins as saying I just see it as him finding the game film embarrassing, nothing more, nothing less.

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These last two games are big for DH. Let's hope the upward trend continues. That is all we can hope for right now.

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[quote=SunnySide;1240003]"I throw up watching that film," Haskins said on Wednesday, via NBC Sports Washington. "I don't like watching that tape. That's a totally different guy."

"[B]It's just I'm a whole different player than I was back then[/B], and that's just something that I feel watching that tape is not me and it wasn't me out there," Haskins said. "You want to look at it and be like, 'That's what I messed up on,' and move on from it. I don't mind watching it. I just prefer to watch something else."

Haskins' shoddy footwork remains an issue, as is his prosperity to walk into sacks, and he owns the lowest passer rating in the NFL among QBs with 150-plus attempts (70.2), but his big arm is NFL-caliber and as he gains rapport with receivers, the light has beginning to gradually fade on.
[URL]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001089596/article/haskins-on-first-giants-game-i-throw-up-watching-that-film[/URL]

Perhaps Im being too nit picky with the young man but youve only started 6 games, this is your rookie year ... you havent proved anything. You are still that same player from 3 months ago. His thought that he has grown so much over 6 starts and doesnt have to study the film to learn from his mistakes is hubris and humorous to me. Hes placing himself ahead of where he really is on the learning curve. He shouldnt be running away from bad film but digesting it and breaking it down.

Seems like hed rather watch his good film and try and learn from that.

RG3 lite to me.[/quote]

Idk, his first two games where he filled in he looked like a deer in the headlights. Up until last week he was taking multiple unnecessary sacks too. His only sack last week came on the last play of the game (which barring a miracle, was unlikely to work anyways). Not to mention, the first half of the game he was getting the ball out quick and being mostly accurate with his throws. So I kinda agree with him, the improvement between last week and his first two games has been very noticeable. How is harping on his first two starts going to help him become a better qb? His last 2-4 starts are going to be more accurate indicators of where his progression is, vs. his first two games.

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Man, Haskins gets grilled for just about anything he says or does, it’s really ridiculous


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[quote=MTK;1240020]Man, Haskins gets grilled for just about anything he says or does, it’s really ridiculous


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Because people forget hes 22 years old...

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1240021]Because people forget hes 22 years old...[/QUOTE]



Seriously he’s a kid, ease up


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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/adrian-peterson-gifts-his-historic-touchdown-ball-terry-mclaurin[/url]

One more reason to love Terry Mac. He said his favorite play of the game was his td-sealing block for Adrian Peterson.

Peterson gave him the ball from that td, which also happened to be the one that moved him up to #4 on the all time rushing td list.

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[url]http://www.haskinsandhaskins.com/[/url]

The brand.