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[quote=mooby;1284743][B]I don't even know where to start. [/B]

You could even be right, but it wouldn't matter. Simply arguing that minorities on average are less intelligent makes you look like an asshole. Have some fucking tact. There is nobody here who is willingly going to take you up on that argument.

Also when you make arguments like this, you're reeeeeeally not helping your cause.

"I am no lover of Caucasian atrocities, but Indians were harmed much more than blacks and nearly wiped from the Earth, so pardon me if I've not on board with the great black snivel-athon, blacks today blame everyone else for problems they create."

Quit while you're way behind.[/quote]

The best might to stop. I was guilty of feeding the troll, but I'm pretty dead set on the fact arguing is pointless. Well, at least I personally have zero interest in.

Well, trying to get back to football, interesting read on how Rodgers could end up staying in GB in 2021, seems a bit far fetched, but the clock on a trade is ticking, and you have to wonder how much a 37 years QB is really willing to hold out:

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/07/aaron-rodgers-packers-compromise-nfl-fmia-peter-king/[/url]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284745]The best might to stop. I was guilty of feeding the troll, but I'm pretty dead set on the fact arguing is pointless. Well, at least I personally have zero interest in.

Well, trying to get back to football, interesting read on how Rodgers could end up staying in GB in 2021, seems a bit far fetched, but the clock on a trade is ticking, and you have to wonder how much a 37 years QB is really willing to hold out:

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/07/aaron-rodgers-packers-compromise-nfl-fmia-peter-king/[/url][/quote]

Thank you, a valiant effort at refocusing the conversation, though I am not convinced it will last long.
As for Rodgers I suppose it has got to be harder to holdout when you know your team is a genuine Superbowl contender when you play, the alternatives are a lot less certain. Many of the "promising" teams that are intetested in him might well fall apart when the draft picks and and salary cap implications of trading for him start to impact their rosters

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1284747]Thank you, a valiant effort at refocusing the conversation, though I am not convinced it will last long.
As for Rodgers I suppose it has got to be harder to holdout when you know your team is a genuine Superbowl contender when you play, the alternatives are a lot less certain. [B]Many of the "promising" teams that are intetested in him might well fall apart when the draft picks and and salary cap implications of trading for him start to impact their rosters[/B][/quote]

Solid point. And again, he's 37. As mad as he may be towards Green Bay, does he really want to finish his career having passed on his potential last opportunity at a second ring ?

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[quote=GridIron26;1284717]Nice boost to the Titans offense but they still have a weak defense so I am not sure if Jones will help them win more games.[/quote]

It is definitely a win now move. The only team that I see realistically that should have offered a 2nd and 4th would have been the Ravens. They definitely have a team that could win the Super Bowl but are a step behind Kansas City. Their receiving attack was one man Mark Andrews. You put JJ on the Ravens he is getting a lot of single coverage because of their running attack.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1284750]Solid point. And again, he's 37. As mad as he may be towards Green Bay, does he really want to finish his career having passed on his potential last opportunity at a second ring ?[/QUOTE]I wonder if qb's like AR look at Tom Brady playing well into his 40s and that changes their perspective. You know the team is going to start looking for younger/cheaper so maybe you want to get out and make it somewhere that is "a qb away".

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Waking up to this thread today like

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Yeah I was in a worship service yesterday…made the mistake of checking my phone and having to read trash like that. I mean I read like the first couple sentences and couldn’t finish reading the post. And to double down instead of apologizing and removing it? Just amazing

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Anyone watch the Chad Johnson Ochocinco fight?

I didn't watch, but apparently he did pretty solid for an amateur.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1284762]Anyone watch the Chad Johnson Ochocinco fight?

I didn't watch, but apparently he did pretty solid for an amateur.[/quote]

He got clocked for a knocked down

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Wow. Just catching up here. Hopefully toolbag finally took it too far and was banned? I mean Scaplers today blame everyone else for the problems they create. What a POS. Knew that guy wasn’t playing with a full deck. Well if he wasn’t banned than at least he is reading this and knows I think he is a fucktard.

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[quote=punch it in;1284766]Wow. Just catching up here. Hopefully toolbag finally took it too far and was banned? I mean Scaplers today blame everyone else for the problems they create. What a POS. Knew that guy wasn’t playing with a full deck. Well if he wasn’t banned than at least he is reading this and knows I think he is a fucktard.[/quote]
I have him blocked, but his posts aren't coming up with the notice saying that someone blocked posted...so I'd bet he was banned or deleted his account. Probably going onto another forum talking about how he's being censored and the like....even though it's a clear misunderstanding of how free speech works. You can inbfact say anything you want....but be prepared for people to call you on dumb shit or hate speech. What a loser. Glad he's gone, ND this is a better place without him.

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[QUOTE=OnceWeWereKings;1284772]I have him blocked, but his posts aren't coming up with the notice saying that someone blocked posted...so I'd bet he was banned or deleted his account. Probably going onto another forum talking about how he's being censored and the like....even though it's a clear misunderstanding of how free speech works. You can inbfact say anything you want....but be prepared for people to call you on dumb shit or hate speech. What a loser. Glad he's gone, ND this is a better place without him.[/QUOTE]



Amen!

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31587569/former-new-york-giants-head-coach-jim-fassel-dies-71"]RIP Jim Fassel[/URL], almost an ex Skins HC

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[quote=MTK;1284782][URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31587569/former-new-york-giants-head-coach-jim-fassel-dies-71"]RIP Jim Fassel[/URL], almost an ex Skins HC[/quote]

LOL, yeah I forgot about that. He sometimes gets gone over when talking about Giants Super Bowl Coach's but he was a great Coach. RIP Jim and Thanks!

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We would have been much better off if we hired Fassel over Zorn.

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[quote=MTK;1284791]We would have been much better off if we hired Fassel over Zorn.[/quote]

I ain't gonna speak ill of the dead, but I don't know that Fassel would've put that team over the top instead of Zorn. It would've been like hiring Jeff Fisher coming off his mediocre Rams run.

RIP anyways.

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[quote=mooby;1284796]I ain't gonna speak ill of the dead, but I don't know that Fassel would've put that team over the top instead of Zorn. It would've been like hiring Jeff Fisher coming off his mediocre Rams run.

RIP anyways.[/quote]

At the very least he was a legit HC. Zorn was a buffoon and in way over his head. Fassel would have been done in by Vinny anyway so it likely wouldn't have mattered much.

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I'm going to put this here but a pretty cool story. If you live in central Maryland and have listened to 105.7 the fan in the mid 20teens you probably heard a kid named Mo call into the show. Mo sadly passed away in 2020 and his story is amazing.

Last night at the Sports Emmy's two productions involving Mo won Emmy's

The 105.7 The Big Mo Gaba Show: [url]https://www.audacy.com/1057thefan/topic/the-big-mo-show[/url] I put the link if you want a listen and

The NFL Network: short piece The Gift of Gaba: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEe4nzXH1c[/url]

The video is about 15 minutes long. Definitely worth a watch and a share to some one.

Keep a tissue hand. I'm not crying you're crying.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284842]I'm going to put this here but a pretty cool story. If you live in central Maryland and have listened to 105.7 the fan in the mid 20teens you probably heard a kid named Mo call into the show. Mo sadly passed away in 2020 and his story is amazing.

Last night at the Sports Emmy's two productions involving Mo won Emmy's

The 105.7 The Big Mo Gaba Show: [url]https://www.audacy.com/1057thefan/topic/the-big-mo-show[/url] I put the link if you want a listen and

The NFL Network: short piece The Gift of Gaba: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEe4nzXH1c[/url]

The video is about 15 minutes long. Definitely worth a watch and a share to some one.

Keep a tissue hand. I'm not crying you're crying.[/quote]

I loved hearing Mo on the Scott and Jeremy show. Giving his predictions and talking sports. That little guy would have me having happy tears on my ride home from work.

Kid had to deal with a lot and was always happy, you could feel his spirit if that makes sense. Was awesome to see him with the Os players in Camden.

Im going to have to watch this when I get home, already got me watery eyed just seeing his name.

RIP Big Mo

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284842]I'm going to put this here but a pretty cool story. If you live in central Maryland and have listened to 105.7 the fan in the mid 20teens you probably heard a kid named Mo call into the show. Mo sadly passed away in 2020 and his story is amazing.

Last night at the Sports Emmy's two productions involving Mo won Emmy's

The 105.7 The Big Mo Gaba Show: [url]https://www.audacy.com/1057thefan/topic/the-big-mo-show[/url] I put the link if you want a listen and

The NFL Network: short piece The Gift of Gaba: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEe4nzXH1c[/url]

The video is about 15 minutes long. Definitely worth a watch and a share to some one.

Keep a tissue hand. I'm not crying you're crying.[/quote]


That was awesome.

Thank you for sharing this. It definitely hit me.

I will try to have that kid's attitude each day. Amazing.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284842]I'm going to put this here but a pretty cool story. If you live in central Maryland and have listened to 105.7 the fan in the mid 20teens you probably heard a kid named Mo call into the show. Mo sadly passed away in 2020 and his story is amazing.

Last night at the Sports Emmy's two productions involving Mo won Emmy's

The 105.7 The Big Mo Gaba Show: [url]https://www.audacy.com/1057thefan/topic/the-big-mo-show[/url] I put the link if you want a listen and

The NFL Network: short piece The Gift of Gaba: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEe4nzXH1c[/url]

The video is about 15 minutes long. Definitely worth a watch and a share to some one.

Keep a tissue hand. I'm not crying you're crying.[/quote]
Thank you for that!!!

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[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CQZXu_8nyy_/?utm_medium=copy_link[/url]

Raiders DE Carl Nassib has come out as gay.

Wonder if he's the first active NFL player? I remember somebody did it in the NBA - Jason whatshisname - I'm forgetting because he was more of a reserve than Nassib is.

Nassib must be comfortable with the environment Gruden/Mayock have fostered to come out publicly, good for him. Hope this doesn't turn into some unnecessary drama.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31681453/eli-manning-rejoins-new-york-giants-business-ops-fan-engagement-role[/url]

Eli Manning is getting his jersey retired by the Giants?

I mean I get it, bc two Super Bowls is a worthy accomplishment - but the rest of his non-playoffs career doesn't stack up.

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[quote=mooby;1285213][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31681453/eli-manning-rejoins-new-york-giants-business-ops-fan-engagement-role[/url]

Eli Manning is getting his jersey retired by the Giants?

I mean I get it, bc two Super Bowls is a worthy accomplishment - but the rest of his non-playoffs career doesn't stack up.[/quote]He beat an undefeated New England team at 16-0 and beat them again to win not 1 but 2 Super Bowls. It is an absolute given the Giants would retire his jersey considering he brought them 2 Lombardis.

With 2 Lombardis and 57,000 career passing yards think the Hall will be calling soon- as they should.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285214]He beat an undefeated New England team at 16-0 and beat them again to win not 1 but 2 Super Bowls. It is an absolute given the Giants would retire his jersey considering he brought them 2 Lombardis.

With 2 Lombardis and 57,000 career passing yards think the Hall will be calling soon- as they should.[/quote]

The Giants have to retire his number.

I wish we had a QB with 2 that weren't great the other seasons. Still 2 rings.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1285216]The Giants have to retire his number.

I wish we had a QB with 2 that weren't great the other seasons. Still 2 rings.[/quote]I always thought he never got enough recognition due to being under Peyton's shadow. He did throw a lot of picks. But, he also had a cannon for an arm and put up lots of yards for a pretty long time. Extremely humble too.

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/raiders-carl-nassib-comes-out-as-openly-gay/"]Raiders’ Carl Nassib comes out as openly gay[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1285223][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/raiders-carl-nassib-comes-out-as-openly-gay/"]Raiders’ Carl Nassib comes out as openly gay[/URL][/quote]

So this is Team Number three for him? Browns, Bucs and now the Raiders, if he gets cut is it because he's gay? My point is no one cares, it's football and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

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Hopefully more players will be comfortable to follow his lead until it's commonplace and truly is no big deal.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1285216]The Giants have to retire his number.

I wish we had a QB with 2 that weren't great the other seasons. Still 2 rings.[/quote]

27 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 37 Game-Winning Drives

In the top ten of almost every GB category.

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[quote=mooby;1285212][url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CQZXu_8nyy_/?utm_medium=copy_link[/url]

Raiders DE Carl Nassib has come out as gay.

Wonder if he's the first active NFL player? I remember somebody did it in the NBA - Jason whatshisname - I'm forgetting because he was more of a reserve than Nassib is.

Nassib must be comfortable with the environment Gruden/Mayock have fostered to come out publicly, good for him. Hope this doesn't turn into some unnecessary drama.[/quote]

My bad I posted this news before spotting that you already did. Michael Sam came out as gay before the 2014 draft but never played in the regular season.

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[quote=Giantone;1285227]So this is Team Number three for him? Browns, Bucs and now the Raiders, if he gets cut is it because he's gay? My point is no one cares, it's football and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.[/quote]

........and so it starts.


[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/22/did-michael-sam-get-a-fair-chance-in-the-nfl/[/url]


Did Michael Sam get a fair chance in the NFL?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2021, 10:44 AM EDT

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[quote=Giantone;1285231]........and so it starts.


[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/22/did-michael-sam-get-a-fair-chance-in-the-nfl/[/url]


Did Michael Sam get a fair chance in the NFL?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2021, 10:44 AM EDT[/quote]

Talent is the bottom line in the NFL. If Sam was any good he would've made a roster.

The NFL from the top down forgives a lot of things if you have talent. You can beat your wife, murder dogs, murder people, rape women, etc. but as long as you're talented you will get a second chance. The only reason I can see this hurting Nassib in the long run is because the NFL is still a somewhat homophobic place - although it's come a long way. No doubt there will be players that try to get under Nassib's skin and if you look at the comments on his Instagram - although 90% of them are positive - there are still some people out there leaving hateful comments on his page.

Still, no doubt Nassib wouldn't have done this if he wasn't mostly comfortable with his team and the guys in the locker room. Like everyone else has said hopefully the day will come when this isn't even newsworthy anymore.

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[quote=MTK;1285228]Hopefully more players will be comfortable to follow his lead until it's commonplace and truly is no big deal.[/quote]

Exactly. Hopefully Beckham will stop pretending and just come out already. 😂

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285214]He beat an undefeated New England team at 16-0 and beat them again to win not 1 but 2 Super Bowls. It is an absolute given the Giants would retire his jersey considering he brought them 2 Lombardis.

With 2 Lombardis and 57,000 career passing yards think the Hall will be calling soon- as they should.[/quote]

This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.

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If he's in the conversation, Flacco would have to be too...

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[quote=mooby;1285239]This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.[/quote]He beat, arguably, the greatest regular season team in NFL history in the 2007 Patriots. This team didn't just go 16-0 but utterly annihilated their opponents including the Redskins 52-7. Eli made the plays in the moment and slayed the greatest dragon in NFL history. Tyree did make a great play for sure but none of this happens without Eli. Prior to knocking off the greatest team in NFL history, Eli went into Dallas and Green Bay and beat 2 very, very good teams also in the playoff run.

He also beat a 13-3 New England team in 2012 to bring home a 2nd Lombardi throwing for nearly 300 yards and playing better than Tom Brady.

In both years, he did enough to get his team to the playoffs and bring home 2 Lombardis. He's a 4x Pro Bowler who was also extremely durable. What he did in both Super Bowl runs is absolutely legendary. Him being a Hall of Famer is not even a question. It is a certainty.

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No problem w/ NY retiring Eli's number or putting him in their ROF. Just don't put him in the HOF.

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[quote=mooby;1285239]This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player [B]who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles[/B] and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.[/quote]

You say “10-15 years and a couple titles” as if that’s easy to do and not impressive. Plenty of QB’s have made the hall with 1 or 0 Super Bowl wins.

On top of his stats (which should be enough) he was the face of NY for more than a decade and made a huge impact on the franchise as a whole.

Eli was the king of the derps but he’s deserving of the accolades.

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Sorry no Eli for the HOF until Jacoby is in. Oh that’s right Peter King will continue to make sure Joe doesn’t get in but will make sure Eli is in on the first ballot.