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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316251]The same people that pay for all of the other shit the government spends our money on, us, lol. At least this money would go to a great cause.

Give me a 12-pack, a red pen, and the budget, I'll clear out enough money to pay for all of the kinds many times over.[/quote]

I don’t trust you with a 6 pack and the post game thread and you want a 12 pack and the federal budget?

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[quote=MTK;1316256]Let's ban guns next and see how that helps curb gun violence. I mean, gotta save those kids right?[/quote]

Let's ban drugs and see how that helps curb drug overdose deaths...oh wait, we did ban drugs. Hmmm that's odd, it seems like the bad guys just continue to do bad things anyway...

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1316259]I don’t trust you with a 6 pack and the post game thread and you want a 12 pack and the federal budget?[/quote]

[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxz1Xmjpl1MgWwJr_Y8XGP0yKVrdSAm2zkfg&usqp=CAU[/IMG]

Also, our federal government has set the bar so low, no way I can get underneath it. But we would have to act like money, deficits, and debt are real things. Not just make believe like the current system.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1316263]Let's ban drugs and see how that helps curb drug overdose deaths...oh wait, we did ban drugs. Hmmm that's odd, it seems like the bad guys just continue to do bad things anyway...[/quote]

Funny how banning things never seems to work out very well. If people want a gun, or want to get high, or want to read a certain book, or need an abortion, they're going to find a way. So do we push them off to the black market, or make them legal and regulated. Hmmm.

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[quote=MTK;1316268]Funny how banning things never seems to work out very well. If people want a gun, or want to get high, or want to read a certain book, or need an abortion, they're going to find a way. So do we push them off to the black market, or make them legal and regulated. Hmmm.[/quote]

By that logic there should be no laws for anything. Everything is legal!!

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[quote=MTK;1316268]Funny how banning things never seems to work out very well. If people want a gun, or want to get high, or want to read a certain book, or need an abortion, they're going to find a way. So do we push them off to the black market, or make them legal and regulated. Hmmm.[/quote]

Well, you can't put all those things (and other things) into one basket, but I do understand that is the easy thing to do. That's why it is done so much.

Certain guns and other weapons don't need to be owned or accessible by the general public. Certain drugs should be regulated or outright illegal. Abortion is only a need in some circumstances. Banning books is just stupid.

There will always be a "black market" for things that people want, but are not allowed to / or are too embarrassed/afraid to obtain in a legal manner.

Not everything should be made legal because people will just find a way. If someone wants to break into my house, no matter how much security I use to deter them, if they really want in - they will get in. Doesn't mean we should make breaking and entering legal. But once they get in, I will surely regulate them.

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[quote=Giantone;1316255]You mean like Clinton did?[/quote]

With a republican majority in both chambers of congress for the last 6 years, starting in 1995.

Great work by the republican congress!!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1316278]Well, you can't put all those things (and other things) into one basket, but I do understand that is the easy thing to do. That's why it is done so much.

Certain guns and other weapons don't need to be owned or accessible by the general public. Certain drugs should be regulated or outright illegal. Abortion is only a need in some circumstances. Banning books is just stupid.

There will always be a "black market" for things that people want, but are not allowed to / or are too embarrassed/afraid to obtain in a legal manner.

Not everything should be made legal because people will just find a way. [B]If someone wants to break into my house, no matter how much security I use to deter them, if they really want in - they will get in. Doesn't mean we should make breaking and entering legal.[/B] But once they get in, I will surely regulate them.[/quote]

I was going to use this example too. I guess everyone sticks a calendar on their front doors where people can write the dates/times they want to come get your stuff.

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Let's just shoot nukes at Russia so they'll shoot nukes at us and we can end this failed human experiment. Might as well speed it up anyways.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316280]With a republican majority in both chambers of congress for the last 6 years, starting in 1995.

Great work by the republican congress!![/quote]

Couldn't do it without a Democrat in the White House.

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[quote=Giantone;1316292]Couldn't do it without a Democrat in the White House.[/quote]

I have no problems with Bill Clinton. Definitely our best president in my life I can remember. A bit too young for Ronald Reagan's presidency.

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[quote=mooby;1316290]Let's just shoot nukes at Russia so they'll shoot nukes at us and we can end this failed human experiment. Might as well speed it up anyways.[/quote]

Before this happens, everyone at the Commander's Post, if not a believer in Jesus, please become one. Then we can go undefeated every year in heaven together. Blissful gameday threads.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316293]I have no problems with Bill Clinton. Definitely our best president in my life I can remember. A bit too young for Ronald Reagan's presidency.[/quote]


Was about to jump on you on this until I saw the caveat explaining why you didn't say Reagan.

One can reasonably argue who the best post war President was if you limit yourself to choosing between Truman or Reagan. If you don't limit yourself to those two you aren't being reasonable.

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[quote=punch it in;1316212][url]https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/anti-abortion-white-supremacy/[/url]

[url]https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/the-racist-history-of-abortion-and-midwifery-bans[/url]

[url]https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2021/texass-new-abortion-law-will-harm-people-color-further-entrench-racist-policies[/url]

[url]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/black-and-hispanic-people-have-the-most-to-lose-if-roe-is-overturned[/url]

Do your homework. Both of you.
You cant be so naïve to think something pushed by the hard right bible thumping maga people isn’t somehow beneficial to whites. It isn’t as simple as oh more whites get abortion so sorry come again. That is a lazy way out.[/quote]


I read your sources The Nation's article provides examples of racists who think abortion disproportionally effects whites so they oppose abortion; ACLU the history of how those who performed abortions (midwives) lost their position to white doctors; Commonwealth that abortions are good for brown people because they have higher post birth mortality rates (seriously that is their argument??) and PBS similar to the commonwealth article saying fewer abortions will impact minorities disproportionally because minorities are the ones that get abortions in larger proportions than their population demographics. [B]This last one basically confirming what I said and showing the racists from the Nation article are idiots who don't understand demographic statistics (Being racists they should support abortion as it slows the decline of a majority white population) [/B]

Now I'm sure most of those racists discussed above are probably Maga types (They're idiots), all I'm saying is there is not a valid racist reason to be opposed to abortion (but there is one to be supportive of it).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316293]I have no problems with Bill Clinton. Definitely our best president in my life I can remember. A bit too young for Ronald Reagan's presidency.[/quote]

If they could have done it without him , why didn't they?

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[quote=Giantone;1316301]If they could have done it without him , why didn't they?[/quote]

Huh?

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[quote=punch it in;1316188][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220505/80a97d9128f81c04c606fa6dd7a8d632.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Are you saying men can't get pregnant, they can't be birthing people?

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[URL="https://twitter.com/DevilWearsMAGA/status/1521874488056590337"]This pro-lifer makes the most reasonable argument[/URL] that I can respect - starting with #9. There used to be a point in time when anti-abortionists were reasonable in their beliefs - by including exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother those were reasonable positions to take. But now most anti-abortion laws include no exceptions and [URL="https://i.redd.it/dfhrqtk1cpx81.jpg"]are made by hard-liners[/URL] - therefore making our position hard-line that your position is entirely unreasonable. It's why this discussion is pointless. You're set in your beliefs and we're set in ours. The advancing of your entirely unpopular position by hardliner SCOTUS justices means we have to be equally hardline in our approach.

The fact that 3 of the most recently affirmed justices [URL="https://twitter.com/RonLebow/status/1522037960304078848"]had to lie just to get onto the bench[/URL] affirms how unpopular your position is - if they had been honest about their intentions they never would've been confirmed by dipshits like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. They literally thought your party would be honorable in their statements to be confirmed to a lifetime appointment and now they look like idiots for trusting them.

[URL="https://twitter.com/publishorperish/status/1521733023795793921"]This sums up the entire thing pretty well for me[/URL].

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[quote=mooby;1316308][URL="https://twitter.com/DevilWearsMAGA/status/1521874488056590337"]....... But now most anti-abortion laws include no exceptions and ....You're set in your beliefs and we're set in ours. The advancing of your entirely unpopular position by hardliner SCOTUS justices means we have to be equally hardline in our approach.....
[/URL].[/quote]

What is your definition of an anti-abortion law?

And who is the you you are talking to?

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[quote=mooby;1316308][URL="https://twitter.com/DevilWearsMAGA/status/1521874488056590337"]This pro-lifer makes the most reasonable argument[/URL] that I can respect - starting with #9. There used to be a point in time when anti-abortionists were reasonable in their beliefs - by including exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother those were reasonable positions to take. But now most anti-abortion laws include no exceptions and [URL="https://i.redd.it/dfhrqtk1cpx81.jpg"]are made by hard-liners[/URL] - therefore making our position hard-line that your position is entirely unreasonable. It's why this discussion is pointless. You're set in your beliefs and we're set in ours. The advancing of your entirely unpopular position by hardliner SCOTUS justices means we have to be equally hardline in our approach.

[B]The fact that 3 of the most recently affirmed justices [URL="https://twitter.com/RonLebow/status/1522037960304078848"]had to lie just to get onto the bench[/URL] affirms how unpopular your position is[/B] - if they had been honest about their intentions they never would've been confirmed by dipshits like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. They literally thought your party would be honorable in their statements to be confirmed to a lifetime appointment and now they look like idiots for trusting them.

[URL="https://twitter.com/publishorperish/status/1521733023795793921"]This sums up the entire thing pretty well for me[/URL].[/quote]

If their position is so unpopular, then you have nothing to worry about. This doesn't ban abortions. It just let's voters in each state decide. Exactly as designed by a thing I believe is called The Constitution. If everyone loves the right to end an innocent life, then it will be allowed in all 50 states.

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The fact that neither of you see a problem with potential SCOTUS justices lying to get appointed to a lifetime position on the bench tells me everything I need to know. Not wasting my time anymore.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1316311]The fact that neither of you see a problem with potential SCOTUS justices lying to get appointed to a lifetime position on the bench tells me everything I need to know. Not wasting my time anymore.[/QUOTE]


Who cares about lies, or crimes, or wrong doer’s Mooby? It is the leakers that need to be dealt with! I mean if i pull the wool over the publics eyes, or commit a crime, and they don’t realize it that’s cool, but if someone leaks that and the public finds out the truth … well that’s a fuckin problem. Lol.

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[quote=mooby;1316311]The fact that neither of you see a problem with potential SCOTUS justices lying to get appointed to a lifetime position on the bench tells me everything I need to know. Not wasting my time anymore.[/quote]

The Democrat's most recent nominee said she can't even define what a woman is. That's not lying? You don't have to be a biologist to define that.

Also, they all said Roe vs. Wade is precedent. None of them ever said it wouldn't or couldn't be overturned.

[url]https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/scotus-verify/what-justices-gorsuch-barrett-kavanaugh-said-roe-v-wade-confirmation-hearings/536-cdc8cbaa-cf81-4db9-a861-05ea5fbcb05a[/url]

[url]https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096108319/roe-v-wade-alito-conservative-justices-confirmation-hearings[/url]

Also, while precedent is important, it's not an “inexorable command.” And yes, while I understand the meaning based on the context in which it was used I had to look up the exact definition. Precedents can and have been overturned before.

[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3477148-five-times-the-supreme-court-reversed-a-precedent/[/url]

[url]https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-short-list-of-overturned-supreme-court-landmark-decisions[/url]

[url]https://theconversation.com/the-supreme-court-has-overturned-precedent-dozens-of-times-in-the-past-60-years-including-when-it-struck-down-legal-segregation-168052[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316317]The Democrat's most recent nominee said she can't even define what a woman is. That's not lying? You don't have to be a biologist to define that.

Also, they all said Roe vs. Wade is precedent. None of them ever said it wouldn't or couldn't be overturned.

[url]https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/scotus-verify/what-justices-gorsuch-barrett-kavanaugh-said-roe-v-wade-confirmation-hearings/536-cdc8cbaa-cf81-4db9-a861-05ea5fbcb05a[/url]

[url]https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096108319/roe-v-wade-alito-conservative-justices-confirmation-hearings[/url]

Also, while precedent is important, it's not an “inexorable command.” And yes, while I understand the meaning based on the context in which it was used I had to look up the exact definition. Precedents can and have been overturned before.

[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3477148-five-times-the-supreme-court-reversed-a-precedent/[/url]

[url]https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-short-list-of-overturned-supreme-court-landmark-decisions[/url]

[url]https://theconversation.com/the-supreme-court-has-overturned-precedent-dozens-of-times-in-the-past-60-years-including-when-it-struck-down-legal-segregation-168052[/url][/quote]


They said it's established Law and no need to be revisited.

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[quote=punch it in;1316314]Who cares about lies, or crimes, or wrong doer’s Mooby? It is the leakers that need to be dealt with! I mean if i pull the wool over the publics eyes, or commit a crime, and they don’t realize it that’s cool, but if someone leaks that and the public finds out the truth … well that’s a fuckin problem. Lol.[/quote]
See my question is what if it's the Republican Judges clerk that leak it? Will there still be outrage? Public has a right to know.

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[quote=nonniey;1316309]What is your definition of an anti-abortion law?

And who is the you you are talking to?[/quote]

[B]Any thing that infringes on the ability of a Women having the ability to make a decision on what to do or have done to their own body.[/B]

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[quote=Giantone;1316329]They said it's established Law and no need to be revisited.[/quote]

Do you have quotes/sources for this, where they said this specifically said this during their confirmation hearings?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316334]Do you have quotes/sources for this, where they said this specifically said this during their confirmation hearings?[/quote]

Look it up.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316334]Do you have quotes/sources for this, where they said this specifically said this during their confirmation hearings?[/quote]


[url]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appointed-supreme-court-justices-previously-roes-precedent/story?id=84470384[/url]

"The Supreme Court of the United States has held that Roe v. Wade, that a fetus is not a person for purposes of the 14th Amendment. And the book explains that," Gorsuch replied.
"That's the law of the land, I accept the law of the land, senator. Yes," Gorsuch replied.

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[quote=Giantone;1316338][url]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appointed-supreme-court-justices-previously-roes-precedent/story?id=84470384[/url]

"The Supreme Court of the United States has held that Roe v. Wade, that a fetus is not a person for purposes of the 14th Amendment. And the book explains that," Gorsuch replied.
"That's the law of the land, I accept the law of the land, senator. Yes," Gorsuch replied.[/quote]

Accepting the law of the land that was the law at that specific time is not the same thing as saying the law could never be changed in the future.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316340]Accepting the law of the land that was the law at that specific time is not the same thing as saying the law could never be changed in the future.[/quote]

LOL, wow. Serious trump right there!

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[quote=Giantone;1316341]LOL, wow.[/quote]

Laugh all you want to. Doesn't change the point. He never said he would never make any future ruling that would overturn Roe vs. Wade.

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[quote=Giantone;1316331][B]Any thing that infringes on the ability of a Women having the ability to make a decision on what to do or have done to their own body.[/B][/quote]

Then one can't say a majority of Americans oppose that, because a rather large majority do in fact support restrictions.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1316330]See my question is what if it's the Republican Judges clerk that leak it? Will there still be outrage? Public has a right to know.[/QUOTE]


Could be anyone Republican and of course there will be. They will just be called traitor and dem lover and blah blah blah by the cult.

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[quote=punch it in;1316351]Could be anyone Republican and of course there will be. They will just be called traitor and dem lover and blah blah blah by the cult.[/quote]

Almost sounds like you are proud of it getting leaked. Doesn't matter who did it, it was not supposed to happen, and should not have happened.

I'm not frothing at the mouth, not even really upset about it at all, but I'm certainly not going to act like it was a good thing or the right thing to do.

The left loves precedents, well, this sure sets an awful one.

Whenever the actual leaker's name comes out, he/she will become a cult hero to the left.

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[quote=Giantone;1316331][B]Any thing that infringes on the ability of a Women having the ability to make a decision on what to do or have done to their own body.[/B][/quote]

so can a woman:
Inject heroin in her body?
Commit suicide?
Get drunk and kill another driver?
or any of a thousand other things that we as human beings have said are not overridden by the collective law of the land.

The false narrative around women and the right to control their own body is astoundingly simplistic.

[B]Human life is the first right, from which all other rights derive.[/B] When a sperm and egg combine and develop, a human life is created, and should be endowed with all the rights, including a right to life. That right should supercede a woman (or man's) right to commit murder through abortion.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1316342]Laugh all you want to. Doesn't change the point. He never said he would never make any future ruling that would overturn Roe vs. Wade.[/quote]

You know what's a great way to make sure America never prospers again? Have the ruling party focus on undoing what the last ruling party did every time it changes hands. That's where we're at now.

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Here we go the ignorant right wing nuts out of the closet again.

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[quote=nonniey;1316345]Then one can't say a majority of Americans oppose that, because a rather large majority do in fact support restrictions.[/quote]

Actual no , no they don't. Gun control yes , abortions .....no.

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[quote=Giantone;1316365]Here we go the ignorant right wing nuts out of the closet again.[/quote]

Democrats are going with “no limits to abortion” up to the moment of birth

Exactly who is nuts?

That stance is extremely unpopular per polling. So start with stating either you agree or disagree with abortion up to the moment of birth.